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basmaci
04-11-2016, 05:30 PM
i saw him among my Ysearch maches, newly uploaded, by a reasearch which i don't know any info about.
http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=j5wfw&viewuid=J5WFW&p=0
his STR's :
http://s18.postimg.org/uswvwre15/usanin1.png

matches (those matches who are tested by FTDNA are predicted N1b's https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults)
http://s18.postimg.org/4411ruzm1/usanin2.png
prediction http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5a/hapest5.htm
http://s9.postimg.org/md6y77qxr/predictor.png
Any info about this sample would be appreciated.

basmaci
04-11-2016, 05:40 PM
some info : Turkish küçükmuhsine is VL67 like me. . Garipov and Fedyaev are Kazan Tatars, Selim is probably also Turk, don't know him , Fabian is an Szekel. Zdrok i guess is an Czech or alike

Caspian
04-11-2016, 05:57 PM
Additional info: Karapapak Azerbaijani is probably from Qazax, Tovuz, Ağstafa, Gedebey, Shemkir or Ganja in Northwest Azerbaijan like my paternal ancestors. We belong to same tribe.

basmaci
04-11-2016, 06:03 PM
Additional info: Karapapak Azerbaijani is probably from Qazax, Tovuz, Ağstafa, Gedebey, Shemkir or Ganja in Northwest Azerbaijan like my paternal ancestors. We belong to same tribe.
Cool, say him he should immiadetly test the VL67 snp

DMXX
04-11-2016, 06:12 PM
Fascinating! Not entirely unsurprising one of the Pazyryks isn't R1a1a-M17. We picked up a Y-DNA C* remain among the Scytho-Siberians from Kayser et al., and the Iron Age appears to mark the turning point with respect to increased Y-chromosomal diversity on the Eurasian steppes.

Caspian
04-11-2016, 06:29 PM
If so there was certain contact between Scythians and Proto-Turks. N1b seems typical Proto-Turkic marker and can be common among nomadic tribal Oghuzes from Turkey (Yörüks) and Azerbaijan (Qarapapaqs and Shahsevans) today. There is another Qarapapaq (Dulkadirid Shamseddinli) N1b from Tovuz and there is an Afsharid (noble Khanate family) N1b from Baku in the Azerbaijan DNA project.

209586 Meloghlu, Shamsaddinli, Zulqadar Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 12-13 11 12 10 13 14 28 17 9-9 11 12 29 14 18 28 13-13-13-14-16-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 16 17 37-40 12 10

362815 Mirza Muhammad-khan II, b. 1774 and d. 1836 Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 9-13 11 12 10 13 14 30 16 9-9 11 12 28 14 18 28 13-14-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 17 17 38-40 12 10 11 8 15-16 8 11 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 13 10 13 12 17 7 14 21 21 13 12 11 10 11 11 12 11

DMXX
04-11-2016, 06:38 PM
The Pazyryk culture is an Iron Age post-Andronovo one located in the Altai region. They're in the right place at the right time to interact with the proto-Turks, as per some of the recent estimations regarding the dating of proto-Turkic (~200 B.C (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?122-Turkic-Linguistics-thread)).

basmaci
04-11-2016, 06:44 PM
If so there was certain contact between Scythians and Proto-Turks. N1b seems typical Proto-Turkic marker and can be common among nomadic tribal Oghuzes from Turkey (Yörüks) and Azerbaijan (Qarapapaqs and Shahsevans) today. There is another Qarapapaq (Dulkadirid Shamseddinli) N1b from Tovuz and there is an Afsharid (noble Khanate family) N1b from Baku in the Azerbaijan DNA project.

209586 Meloghlu, Shamsaddinli, Zulqadar Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 12-13 11 12 10 13 14 28 17 9-9 11 12 29 14 18 28 13-13-13-14-16-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 16 17 37-40 12 10

362815 Mirza Muhammad-khan II, b. 1774 and d. 1836 Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 9-13 11 12 10 13 14 30 16 9-9 11 12 28 14 18 28 13-14-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 17 17 38-40 12 10 11 8 15-16 8 11 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 13 10 13 12 17 7 14 21 21 13 12 11 10 11 11 12 11

actualy my paternal side does not have Yörük oral history, but Turkmen, my maternal side does. in some parts of Turkey the local Turks are called "Manav" ,honestly i fit for this branch :) the other potantiel VL67's not all have Yörük history as far as i know, who are tested by FTDNA . for example Kucukmuhsine1 is from Konya.
Their is a huge connection with Kazan Tatars (Kiphacks) between us also , most surprising one is an Armenian from Hovan project, he is exact match with an Kazan Tatar.

johen
06-20-2016, 10:38 PM
Fascinating! Not entirely unsurprising one of the Pazyryks isn't R1a1a-M17. We picked up a Y-DNA C* remain among the Scytho-Siberians from Kayser et al., and the Iron Age appears to mark the turning point with respect to increased Y-chromosomal diversity on the Eurasian steppes.

Do you know whether the R1a1a guys were caucasoids or Mongoloids?

Interestingly, in western Truvinian sample, the frequency of haplogroup R1a1a was considerably lower than in the central sample. Based on the close ness of the Altai, which is populated by the represen tatives of a more Caucasoid SouthSiberian racial type, it would be reasonable to expect the west–east decrease of the R1a1a frequency on the territory of Tuva. However, this was not observed, and the change of the haplogroup frequency was rather the opposite, as the eastern samples demonstrated maximum frequency of this haplogroup. At the first glance, the result obtained is paradoxical. Specifically, in terms of anthropology, the most Caucasoid population of the western parts of Tuva displays the minimum of haplogroup R1a1a, while in the most Mongoloid population of Todja, the maximum of this haplogroup is observed.

Jean M
06-20-2016, 11:14 PM
Do you know whether the R1a1a guys were caucasoids or Mongoloids?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_burials

9882

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pazyryk_felt_carpet.jpg
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mummy_of_the_Ukok_Princess.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Ice_Maiden
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Pannonius
11-10-2017, 07:51 PM
I recently tested with FTDNA and I found out I am N1b. I am a genetic distance of 2 from the Pazyryk man and at 12 markers I am an exact match with an Azerbaijani man.

basmaci
11-11-2017, 08:54 AM
I recently tested with FTDNA and I found out I am N1b. I am a genetic distance of 2 from the Pazyryk man and at 12 markers I am an exact match with an Azerbaijani man.
Are you Munko ? :) Welcome and congrats :beerchug:

Pannonius
11-11-2017, 09:39 PM
Are you Munko ? :) Welcome and congrats :beerchug:

Yes, thanks.:) My results were surprising, but it is interesting figuring out where my ancestors came from. Also, I was assigned a new sub-clade of N-VL73 based on my bigY results.

Alkaevli
11-27-2017, 06:33 PM
My father is one of the closest matches of the Pazyryk sample on ySearch (at 10 markers though).

Scythian_Pazyryk's matches (max genetic distance=0)
https://i.hizliresim.com/AyVgrB.png (https://hizliresim.com/AyVgrB)

Scythian_Pazyryk's matches (max genetic distance=1)
https://i.hizliresim.com/kXQJyJ.png (https://hizliresim.com/kXQJyJ)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_burials

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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pazyryk_felt_carpet.jpg
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mummy_of_the_Ukok_Princess.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Ice_Maiden
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Facial reconstruction method is extremely subjective, thanks to genetics many "reconstructions" are proved to be inaccurate, including that of the Ice Maiden.

Rima Eriknova, the director of the Altai Regional Museum, is not in agreement, commenting that, “They made the Ice Maiden completely European.”


She was right to complain.
https://i.hizliresim.com/pGA9V0.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/pGA9V0)

Pannonius
11-28-2017, 12:30 AM
I cannot post the link but this paper has information on the two Pazyryk mentioned above.

A GENETIC ANALYSIS OF HUMAN REMAINS FROM AK-ALAKHA-3 BURIAL MOUND 1, GORNY ALTAI* by A.S. Pilipenko, R.O. Trapezov, and N.V. Polosmak 2015.

basmaci
11-29-2017, 05:18 PM
I cannot post the link but this paper has information on the two Pazyryk mentioned above.

A GENETIC ANALYSIS OF HUMAN REMAINS FROM AK-ALAKHA-3 BURIAL MOUND 1, GORNY ALTAI* by A.S. Pilipenko, R.O. Trapezov, and N.V. Polosmak 2015.

Here is the original russian study, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301548191_Pilipenko_2015_A_PALEOGENETIC_STUDY_OF_P AZYRYK_PEOPLE_BURIED_AT_AK-ALAKHA-1_THE_ALTAI_MOUNTAINS_in_russian

and an additional contribution :)
https://todiscoverrussia.com/top-facts-pazyryk-carpet-world-oldest-rag/

18. 1,250,000 knots were tied in order to produce the Pazyryk carpet!

19. These double knots have a symmetrical structure and are usually called the Turkish knots.