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Bulat
05-04-2016, 08:02 AM
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Bulat
05-04-2016, 08:07 AM
1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs),
2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi),
3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
4. Unknown:

1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs):
352662 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sabitov
13 26 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
246666 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Hiun-Qipsaq Bashkortostan
13 25 15 11 11 13 12 13 10 13 11 31
239987 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sankem-Qipsaq Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
262293 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-2 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
247854 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-3 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
209978 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sura-Teleu Bashkortostan
13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
246808 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
307963 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Tuhtamishev
13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 12 11 29

2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi):
N3982 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Eisenstein Belarus
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 12 11 29
44 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Gass Ukraine

237819 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Kennedy Lithuania
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
GNG9V Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Liffanov Belarus
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
N83118 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Salomon Germany
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
B77WH Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Spade Germany
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
N51951 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Traugott Poland
13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
242535 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
303616 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
13 25 16 12 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
73743 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
263725 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Greece
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
218102 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Poland
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
213086 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Lithuania
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30.

3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
M9512 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
M9513 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
M9514 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
M8972 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
314758 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
181089, TDH5C Z2123 (need Y2632) Khokhar Sistan (India, Pakistan)
13 25 17 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31

4. Unknown:
Y2632 Iranians Iraq
HG03636 Y2632, Y2633, Y2634 Indo-Aryans Punjab (Pakistan)
HG03761 Y2632, Y2633 Indo-Aryans Lahore (India).

Bulat
05-04-2016, 11:45 AM
https://www.academia.edu/25017351/%D0%9C%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%91. %D0%90._%D0%A1%D1%83%D1%8E%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A 0.%D0%A0._%D0%A1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8B_%D1%82%D1 %83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0% BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B9 _%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D1%8B_Z2123_%D0%BF %D0%BE_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82% D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC_Big-Y._%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_2_BEHPS_Vila_do_ Conde-Moscow-Ufa_ISSN_2410-1788_Volume_3_4_1_2_April_2016_P.402-427 In this article have the phenotypes of Bashkirs from R1a-Y2632

wmehar
05-04-2016, 02:51 PM
1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs),
2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi),
3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
4. Unknown:

1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs):
352662 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sabitov
13 26 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
246666 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Hiun-Qipsaq Bashkortostan
13 25 15 11 11 13 12 13 10 13 11 31
239987 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sankem-Qipsaq Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
262293 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-2 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
247854 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-3 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
209978 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sura-Teleu Bashkortostan
13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
246808 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
307963 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Tuhtamishev
13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 12 11 29

2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi):
N3982 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Eisenstein Belarus
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 12 11 29
44 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Gass Ukraine

237819 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Kennedy Lithuania
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
GNG9V Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Liffanov Belarus
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
N83118 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Salomon Germany
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
B77WH Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Spade Germany
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
N51951 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Traugott Poland
13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
242535 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
303616 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
13 25 16 12 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
73743 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
263725 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Greece
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
218102 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Poland
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
213086 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Lithuania
13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30.

3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
M9512 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
M9513 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
M9514 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
M8972 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
314758 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
181089, TDH5C Z2123 (need Y2632) Khokhar Sistan (India, Pakistan)
13 25 17 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31

4. Unknown:
Y2632 Iranians Iraq
HG03636 Y2632, Y2633, Y2634 Indo-Aryans Punjab (Pakistan)
HG03761 Y2632, Y2633 Indo-Aryans Lahore (India).

I'm DYS19 = 16, and my father is Punjab/Arain. Not sure, if I would conclude just yet Ashkenazi are DYS19 = 16 here. I think STR reliance isn't a great idea. I also don't trust that all of our STR recalls are 100% accurate. I don't think the coverage from at the least FTDNA samples will provide us accurate insight. I've seen cases of where many STR's were off after individuals tested with Y Elite.

13 25 16 11 11-15 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 10-10 11 11 23 14 21 33 12-15-15-16

AJL
05-04-2016, 03:01 PM
I'm DYS19 = 16, and my father is Punjab/Arain. Not sure, if I would conclude just yet Ashkenazi are DYS19 = 16 here. I think STR reliance isn't a great idea.

I have DYS19 = 17 but I am definitely in a subgroup of Ashkenazi CTS6. The 16 repeats is modal for the group, however.

It's much better to look at SNPs for the big-picture tree then look at STRs for closer family relation. There are enough cases where it's difficult to predict someone's SNP subclade within R1a with even 37 STRs.

parasar
05-04-2016, 03:03 PM
I'm DYS19 = 16, and my father is Punjab/Arain. Not sure, if I would conclude just yet Ashkenazi are DYS19 = 16 here. I think STR reliance isn't a great idea. I also don't trust that all of our STR recalls are 100% accurate. I don't think the coverage from at the least FTDNA samples will provide us accurate insight. I've seen cases of where many STR's were off after individuals tested with Y Elite.

13 25 16 11 11-15 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 10-10 11 11 23 14 21 33 12-15-15-16

Within a limited clade STRs can be useful. I think Bulat is only referring to the Y2632 subgroup under Z2123.

wmehar
05-04-2016, 03:11 PM
Ah, thanks for the clarification Parasar, I missed that.

sandeepchau123
05-10-2016, 10:12 PM
Hi,
i am r1a-z2123 and DYS19=15

however i am Indian and not Bashkir.

Bulat
04-06-2017, 03:56 PM
The genealogy of descendants of Saka tribes - kuns-bashkirs from R1a-SUR51 subclade

http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2017-3/kuns_shezhere_time_scale_05042017.png

Mamun
04-09-2017, 03:16 PM
Hye, tank you for your post. But can you tell me where my results (with FTDNA) put me then : 13 25 16 11 10 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 (ashkenazi then ? but from where ?) Thank you !

Mamun
04-28-2017, 03:46 PM
Hye,

Please Bulat, why do you say that dys19=15 Bashkirs dys19=16 ashkenazi dys19=17 arabs aryans, from where do you hold that please ? Thanks

Bulat
10-03-2017, 10:34 AM
Hye,

Please Bulat, why do you say that dys19=15 Bashkirs dys19=16 ashkenazi dys19=17 arabs aryans, from where do you hold that please ? Thanks

on one condition that all these haplotypes from the Y2632 subclade.

Bulat
10-03-2017, 10:36 AM
Hi,
i am r1a-z2123 and DYS19=15

however i am Indian and not Bashkir.

What subclade of you? Y2632 or Y934?

Bashkirs from Y2632 clade, DYS19=15.

Bulat
10-03-2017, 12:11 PM
1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs),
2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi),
3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
4. Unknown:.

1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs),
2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi),
3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
4. Unknown:[/B],
5. China, Y2632+, Y2633+, Y2634+


http://help.3g.163.com/0414/16/0919/11/C1AS1O3O04140CMN.html?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0#


There are about 1% of Chines like Xue Manzi with R1a-M198 hg, Henan Province. They are from R1a-Y2632, Y2633, Y2634+ genetic cluster.

Atly wrote:


Atly пишет:

цитата:
The Y2632 in China - Small clan, only 1 000 000 people.

:)

Well, here comes the my Saka relatives a lot of now!

Already a million people.

So, with the Chinese Y2632 - the representatives of our clan in the world about a million people, of them only one million live in China itself.

The historical version about our Saka clan, who in the Middle Ages (from the 7th to 10th centuries AD) lived in Northern China under the name of the Kuns, found its genetic confirmation.

About our clan in Chinese chronicles:


The Kuns. The southernmost tribe.
In 630, after the overthrow of
Tyurks Ashina, moved to the border
Tang empire, their
the elder was Sylef
Atanzhi. After the defeat
Seyanto in 646, Cun
Elder Sylif Kunwang
moved to China, together with
his clan. Their lands were
are divided into one, then two
Gaolansky dudufu.

The kuns are designated by a hieroglyph




http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2017-8/kuns_y2632.png

P.S.
By the way, thanks to the Family Finder test, because in our clan find an autosomal component from China, also back in 2015.

Ricardoni
06-23-2018, 04:50 PM
Hi,
i am r1a-z2123 and DYS19=15

however i am Indian and not Bashkir.

Regard it as a steppe haplotype of Scythian origin.

Ricardoni
06-23-2018, 04:53 PM
The genealogy of descendants of Saka tribes - kuns-bashkirs from R1a-SUR51 subclade
Do you also have a link for the paper? Would be really nice.

Bulat
05-11-2020, 11:09 AM
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