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Aria
05-06-2016, 05:21 AM
Hi everyone,I've always been fascinated with genetics but now that I've done it,I'm overwhelmed.Can anybody help me out on figuring out what I am?

Any help would be appreciated. (Note: I'm originally from Southern Iran)

Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 43.23
2 East_Med 29.72
3 South_Asian 9.45
4 Red_Sea 5.57
5 Baltic 4.63
6 West_Med 4.07
7 East_Asian 1.08

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kurdish @ 5.487945
2 Iranian @ 6.293612
3 Azeri @ 11.157890
4 Armenian @ 13.547908
5 Georgian_Jewish @ 14.000093
6 Georgian @ 16.031033
7 Abhkasian @ 16.698067
8 Turkish @ 17.579493
9 Kumyk @ 17.607231
10 Assyrian @ 17.712328
11 Adygei @ 18.783119
12 Iranian_Jewish @ 20.023699
13 Turkmen @ 20.505659
14 Kurdish_Jewish @ 20.650625
15 Ossetian @ 21.176067
16 Balkar @ 21.279524
17 North_Ossetian @ 21.450315
18 Kabardin @ 22.593058
19 Lezgin @ 22.946299
20 Chechen @ 23.588169

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian +50% Kurdish @ 5.393941


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Kurdish +25% Makrani @ 5.153125


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Iranian + Iranian + Iranian @ 3.882150
2 Abhkasian + Iranian + Iranian + Kurdish @ 4.251354
3 Georgian + Iranian + Iranian + Iranian @ 4.489044
4 Abhkasian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Makrani @ 4.706030
5 Georgian + Iranian + Iranian + Kurdish @ 4.774421
6 Abhkasian + Brahui + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish @ 4.870824
7 Abhkasian + Iranian + Kurdish + Kurdish @ 4.903758
8 Abhkasian + Balochi + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish @ 4.920639
9 Abhkasian + Brahui + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.006152
10 Abhkasian + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Makrani @ 5.017387
11 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Iranian_Jewish + Makrani @ 5.024258
12 Abhkasian + Iranian + Lebanese_Druze + Makrani @ 5.038702
13 Abhkasian + Balochi + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.042581
14 Abhkasian + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Makrani @ 5.060121
15 Georgian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Makrani @ 5.080875
16 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Brahui + Iranian_Jewish @ 5.102789
17 Abhkasian + Kurdish + Lebanese_Druze + Makrani @ 5.128636
18 Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Makrani @ 5.153125
19 Abhkasian + Brahui + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish @ 5.161057
20 Abhkasian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Iranian @ 5.177971

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.39
2 East_Med 33.59
3 South_Asian 10.51
4 Eastern_Euro 8.36
5 Red_Sea 5
6 North_Sea 2.81
7 West_Med 1.12
8 Northeast_African 0.7
9 Oceanian 0.68
10 Southeast_Asian 0.46
11 Baltic 0.3
12 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 5.21
2 Iranian 5.38
3 Azeri 8.86
4 Georgian_Jewish 11.01
5 Armenian 11.25
6 Assyrian 12.88
7 Turkish 13.85
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.81
9 Kurdish_Jewish 16.09
10 Turkmen 17.87
11 Kumyk 18.84
12 Lebanese_Muslim 19.67
13 Syrian 20.92
14 Georgian 21.73
15 Lezgin 21.95
16 Makrani 22.11
17 Adygei 22.67
18 Lebanese_Druze 24
19 Cyprian 24.13
20 Tabassaran 24.14

Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions

Southwest_Asian 45.59
Native_American 0.57
Northeast_Asian 0.95
Mediterranean 34.71
North_European 15.47
Southeast_Asian 1.60
Oceanian 0.81
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 0.30

Eurogenes K9 Admixture Proportions

Population Percent
South Asian 12.48
Caucasus 55.82
Southwest Asian 16.12
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.36
Siberian -
Mediterranean 9.82
East Asian -
West African 0.25
North European 5.1

Eurogenes K10 Admixture Proportions

Population Percent
South Asian 12.45
Caucasus 55.11
Southwest Asian 15.55
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.36
Siberian -
Mediterranean 11.57
East Asian -
West African 0.26
East European 4.70
North Atlantic -

Eurogenes K11 Admixture Proportions


Population Percent
South Asian 11.97
Caucasus 53.35
Southwest Asian 15.46
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.10
Siberian -
Mediterranean 11.12
East Asian -
West African 0.21
Volga-Ural 7.77
South Baltic -
North Atlantic -

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population Percent
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.47
Armenian 9.06
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.20
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.25
East_Med 15.58
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 18.60
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 15.46
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 25.69
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 8.70
West_Med -


Jtest Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 34.73
2 WEST_ASIAN 31.59
3 SOUTH_ASIAN 10.65
4 MIDDLE_EASTERN 9.07
5 EAST_EURO 8.36
6 ASHKENAZI 4.51
7 SOUTH_BALTIC 0.43
8 WEST_MED 0.39
9 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 4.26
2 IR 4.94
3 Mandean 12.75
4 Assyrian 12.91
5 Armenian 13.52
6 TR 13.77
7 IQ 18.75
8 GE 20.87
9 Lezgin 21.86
10 Brahui 25.8
11 Druze 25.85
12 Balochi 26.65
13 GR 27.31
14 Samaritan 28.63
15 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 29.24
16 AJ 36.96
17 RO 3 7.92
18 Kalash 38.2
19 Tuscan 38.57
20 Serbian 39.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4%Kurdish + 7.6%Brahui @ 3.71
2 92.7%Kurdish + 7.3%Balochi @ 3.72
3 96.3%Kurdish + 3.7%Sindhi @ 3.89
4 97.4%Kurdish + 2.6%Gujarati @ 3.92
5 97.3%Kurdish + 2.7%IN @ 3.95
6 98.1%Kurdish + 1.9%South_Indian @ 3.97
7 96.2%Kurdish + 3.8%Kalash @ 4
8 97.8%Kurdish + 2.2%Bangladeshi @ 4.03
9 96.7%Kurdish + 3.3%Burusho @ 4.04
10 78%Kurdish + 22%IR @ 4.2
11 100%Kurdish + 0%AJ @ 4.26
12 100%Kurdish + 0%Algerian @ 4.26
13 100%Kurdish + 0%Armenian @ 4.26
14 100%Kurdish + 0%Assyrian @ 4.26
15 100%Kurdish + 0%AT @ 4.26
16 100%Kurdish + 0%Bedouin @ 4.26
17 100%Kurdish + 0%Belorussian @ 4.26
18 100%Kurdish + 0%Chinese @ 4.26
19 100% Kurdish + 0%Chukchi @ 4.26
20 100%Kurdish + 0%Cornish @ 4.26

EUtest Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 36.01
2 WEST_ASIAN 32.25
3 SOUTH_ASIAN 10.69
4 MIDDLE_EASTERN 9.93
5 EAST_EURO 8.82
6 WEST_MED 0.95
7 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 0.72
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 0.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source)Distance
1 Kurdish 4.34
2 IR 5.17
3 Mandean 12.83
4 Assyrian 13
5 TR 13.59
6 Armenian 13.62
7 IQ 18.77
8 GE 21.02
9 Lezgin 22.14
10 Brahui 26
11 Druze 26.02
12 Balochi 26.83
13 GR 27.46
14 AJ 28.08
15 Samaritan 28.88
16 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 30.08
17 RO 38.07
18 Kalash 38.71
19 Tuscan 38.75
20 Serbian 39.5

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 05:36 AM
My family are also from southern Iran, (Abadan and Bushehr/coastal towns). We're ethnic Persian for the most part, but do have some distant East Asian ancestry, our results seem pretty similar to yours apart from the slight East Asian pull we have. Whats your family origins as far as you know? and what part of Iran do your family come from if you don't mind me asking?

Aria
05-06-2016, 05:47 AM
MY mom's family are Bakhtiari,originally from Masjed Soleyman and my dad's side is mixed and as far as I know there's some Arab in his line. Most of my family lives in Ahvaz though.

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 05:52 AM
MY mom's family are Bakhtiari,originally from Masjed Soleyman and my dad's side is mixed and as far as I know there's some Arab in his line. Most of my family lives in Ahvaz though.

By "mixed" do you mean Arab input only, or other stuff as well?

Aria
05-06-2016, 05:59 AM
That's the thing we have no clue.His family is mixed so that's why I was wondering if I can find out a little bit more about my father's heritage based on the results.

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 06:01 AM
That's the thing we have no clue.His family is mixed so that's why I was wondering if I can find out a little bit more about my father's heritage based on the results.

Which company did you test with? and where are your non Iranian relatives coming from on the site you tested?

Aria
05-06-2016, 06:12 AM
With 23andme and then I transferred the data and did GedMatch. My non Iranians relatives come from Germany,Tatarstan,Turkey,Qatar,Iraq,Eastern European and from the States

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 06:15 AM
With 23andme and then I transferred the data and did GedMatch. My non Iranians relatives come from Germany,Tatarstan,Turkey,Qatar,Iraq,Eastern European and from the States

Interesting, out of curiosity what did 23andme give you in the ancestry composition?

How many tatar cousins do you have? and whats the segment sizes?

I think the turkish connection is fairly usual for Iranians, i have some turkish cousins too. Theres been contact between Iran and Anatolia for hundreds of years on that account.

Aria
05-06-2016, 06:22 AM
I only have that one and he's a 4th to distant cousin. I share 1 segment(0.09%)with him. I think we share an ancestor on my mother's side.

Aria
05-06-2016, 06:24 AM
Do you think based on my results I'm biracial?

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 06:30 AM
Do you think based on my results I'm biracial?

Dunno, Iran is home to many different ethnic groups, theres some that have not even been documented from a statistical point of view which have left their mark in various parts. So you most likely are going to be a product of a few different stuff. But its hard to say what exactly just going on the GEDmatch calculators alone. Post your 23andme ancestry composition up if you can.

I personally like to look for any patterns among the DNA relatives and try to combine that with the admixture and see what sticks.

Aria
05-06-2016, 06:35 AM
96.6%
Middle Eastern & North African
94.7%
Middle Eastern
1.3%
North African
0.6%
Broadly Middle Eastern & North African
1.4%
South Asian
0.3%
European
< 0.1%
Ashkenazi
0.3%
Broadly European
0.1%
Sub-Saharan African
0.1%
Broadly Sub-Saharan African
1.6%
Unassigned

Aria
05-06-2016, 06:42 AM
Did you have similar results?

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 06:48 AM
96.6%
Middle Eastern & North African
94.7%
Middle Eastern
1.3%
North African
0.6%
Broadly Middle Eastern & North African
1.4%
South Asian
0.3%
European
< 0.1%
Ashkenazi
0.3%
Broadly European
0.1%
Sub-Saharan African
0.1%
Broadly Sub-Saharan African
1.6%
Unassigned

Going by those scores, there doesn't seem to be much going on, it looks pretty standard for somebody from Iran. Of course 23andme does tend to miss out on a few stuff in some cases but I don't think that's the case here.

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 06:50 AM
Did you have similar results?


I had a few different components show up in our results but for the most part pretty similar. You should try and see if there's any patterns in the DNA relatives. somebody who's more knowledged on the GEDmatch calculators may be able to chip in and give a different viewpoint.

Aria
05-06-2016, 06:57 AM
The reason why I'm confused is that 23andme says that I'm 96.6% middle eastern but GEDmatch says that I'm at least 50% European

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 06:59 AM
The reason why I'm confused is that 23andme says that I'm 96.6% middle eastern but GEDmatch says that I'm at least 50% European

GEDmatch is looking at your much deeper ancestry, while 23andme picks up fairly recent signals (last few hundred years), GEDmatch is looking at the past few THOUSANDS years. And that's where it gets pretty complex.

Aria
05-06-2016, 07:03 AM
In your opinion,which one do you feel is more important to go by (few hundred or thousands)?

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 07:08 AM
In your opinion,which one do you feel is more important to go by (few hundred or thousands)?


It really depends on what you wish to learn, I take it you are like myself and want to know where your recent ancestors came from. So on that account you need to Be looking at recent signals, and it's pretty difficult to say what your recent ancestry is besides what you already know when your results are so one dimensioned for the most part. There doesn't seem to be an awful lot that could point to anything unusual.

Aria
05-06-2016, 07:20 AM
I just wished that 23andme could've been a little bit more like GED and shown me how I have cousins through Europe.

jesus
05-06-2016, 07:11 PM
Ahvaz is a pretty diverse city. But based in your results, you're definitely not part Arab/Arabian (not in the last 6 or 7 Generations at least). You probably have some Azeri, based on your East Eurasian score.

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 07:20 PM
Or Anatolia turkish, based on the fact that she has turkish cousins.

jesus
05-06-2016, 07:42 PM
Or Anatolia turkish, based on the fact that she has turkish cousins.

That's possible, but Azeri ancestry is more likely.

NK19191
05-06-2016, 07:43 PM
Your results are actually kind of similar to mine. My father is from NW Iran. So I agree you may have some NW Iranian ancestry.

NK19191
05-06-2016, 07:47 PM
Or Anatolia turkish, based on the fact that she has turkish cousins.

If it is not a close then I would think she may have some NW Iranian ancestry.

NK19191
05-06-2016, 07:48 PM
Where are most of your Iranian DNA relatives from? specially the closer ones? DO you see a pattern?

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 08:08 PM
That's possible, but Azeri ancestry is more likely.

I think I'm one of a very restricted group of Iranians with no noticeable Azeri connections, which is rare given they make up a good 30% of the demographic numbers. When David had a look at my brothers genome there wasn't any azeri like ancestry reported from what i remember when i went over the findings, we also have no Azeri cousins, however we do have turkish cousins. So she may very well be a similar case, given that she's a southerner like myself, Im also not too sure about the amount of Azeri down south in Iran, doesn't seem to be much of them.

There seems however, to be some Armenian, Lebanese and Egyptian admixture in us which is pretty interesting, given that the number of those populations is tiny compared to the Azeri numbers, yet they seem more prevalent in our family history.

jesus
05-06-2016, 08:29 PM
I think I'm one of a very restricted group of Iranians with no noticeable Azeri connections, which is rare given they make up a good 30% of the demographic numbers. When David had a look at my brothers genome there wasn't any azeri like ancestry reported from what i remember when i went over the findings, we also have no Azeri cousins, however we do have turkish cousins. So she may very well be a similar case, given that she's a southerner like myself, Im also not too sure about the amount of Azeri down south in Iran, doesn't seem to be much of them.

There was however, Armenian, Lebanese and Egyptian admixture from the findings which was pretty interesting, given that the number of those populations is tiny compared to the Azeri numbers, yet they seemed more prevalent in out family history.

Was he comparing you to Iranian Azeris or Azeris from Azerbaijan ? There are few Afshars and Qashqais in Khuzestan. Ahvaz Probably has more Azeris now than 100 years ago(just like Abadan).

ancestryfan1994
05-06-2016, 08:33 PM
Was he comparing you to Iranian Azeris or Azeris from Azerbaijan ? There are few Afshars and Qashqais in Khuzestan. Ahvaz Probably has more Azeris now than 100 years ago(just like Abadan).

Not sure, that analysis went through my brother who worked with him, i just took a look at the findings once it was finished. But thats a fair point, and may sway things in a different direction. But as far as i know, from family history (which is not much information), and genetic results, theres no concrete Azeri connection in my ancestry. A case could be made for Anatolia turkish though.

Also, no Afshar family surnames which may indicate the affiliation to their tribe.

DMXX
05-06-2016, 08:59 PM
Welcome to the forum!

Your Mixed Mode results firmly indicate there's hardly anything outside the West Iranian norm in your ancestry. The 100% Kurdish + 0% [pop] or 80% Kurdish + 20% IR give it away.

Arbogan
05-06-2016, 09:30 PM
Hi, could you post DnalPUNT k12 results, MDLP K23, and dodecad k12b.
I'll post some feylis just from north of Khuzestan and bakhtiaris.

Aria
05-06-2016, 09:32 PM
I'm actually really surprised about the Azeri theory because I was always told That for sure there was Arab lineage in us. But,then again,my grandfather on dad's side was an orphan so the theory might have some truth in it.

Aria
05-06-2016, 09:36 PM
HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.88
2 Baloch 29.33
3 SW-Asian 14.96
4 NE-Euro 4.75
5 Mediterranean 4.17
6 S-Indian 3.71
7 Papuan 0.92
8 NE-Asian 0.39
9 SE-Asian 0.27
10 Beringian 0.26
11 Siberian 0.22
12 E-African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source)Distance
1 iranian (behar) 3.27
2 kurd (xing) 4.45
3 kurd (harappa) 4.54
4 iranian (harappa) 4.58
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 5.77
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 10.38
7 turkish (harappa) 11.88
8 azeri (harappa) 12.14
9 armenian (harappa) 12.79
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 12.93
11 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 13.66
12 assyrian (harappa) 14.7
13 iranian-jew (behar) 15.07
14 turk (behar) 16.35
15 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 16.4
16 iraq-jew (behar) 16.63
17 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 16.71
18 turkmen (yunusbayev) 17.02
19 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 17.06
20 georgia-jew (behar) 17.21

Aria
05-06-2016, 09:36 PM
puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 45.49
2 Anatolian_NF 22.91
3 Near_East 13.98
4 South_Asian 9.28
5 European_HG 5.61
6 Siberian 1.28
7 Oceanian 0.89
8 Amerindian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source)Distance
1 Armenian_MBA 11.27
2 Scythian_IA_I0247 35.7
3 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 37.2
4 Srubnaya_I0430 39.18
5 Kostenki14_UP_SG 39.35
6 Poltavka_I0440 39.36
7 Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552 40.03
8 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 41.33
9 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 41.72
10 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 41.96
11 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 42.05
12 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 42.1
13 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 42.55
14 Yamnaya_Samara_I0443 43.15
15 Yamnaya_Samara_I0231 43.31
16 Potapovka_I0419 43.35
17 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 43.36
18 Srubnaya_I0232 43.66
19 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 44.19
20 Unetice_EBA_I0117 44.63

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 45.49
2 Anatolian_NF 22.91
3 Near_East 13.98
4 South_Asian 9.28
5 European_HG 5.61
6 Siberian 1.28
7 Oceanian 0.89
8 Amerindian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source)Distance
1 Iranian 2.86
2 Kurdish 7.89
3 Turkish 10.7
4 Georgian_Jew 11.08
5 Laz 11.6
6 Turkish_Trabzon 11.65
7 Turkish_Kayseri 12.77
8 Armenian 12.96
9 Kumyk 13.11
10 Assyrian 13.12
11 Iranian_Jew 13.4
12 Chechen 15.61
13 North_Ossetian 15.71
14 Balkar 16.6
15 Adygei 17.29
16 Abkhasian 17.35
17 Georgian 17.44
18 Iraqi_Jew 17.46
19 Turkish_Aydin 19.09
20 Druze 19.22

Arbogan
05-06-2016, 09:37 PM
I'm actually really surprised about the Azeri theory because I was always told That for sure there was Arab lineage in us. But,then again,my grandfather on dad's side was an orphan so the theory might have some truth in it.

I don't buy it. If you do have arab, it's probably from a source that is strongly iranic. Baghdad arabs and some of the shiah tribes are heavily admixed with west-iranics. Genetically you look like a feyli. Your admixture proportions are almost identical to mine. Which makes sense, considering that feylis and bakhtiaris only a few hundred years ago were tribal neighbours.

Here is mine for comparison:
North_Atlantic 2.96
Baltic 3.39
West_Med 3.24
West_Asian 41.37
East_Med 29.04
Red_Sea 6.63
South_Asian 10.09
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.54
Amerindian 0.23
Oceanian 0.10
Northeast_African 0.15
Sub-Saharan 1.23

Aria
05-06-2016, 09:39 PM
MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.4
2 South_Central_Asian 29.57
3 Near_East 12.66
4 European_Early_Farmers 6.02
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.41
6 South_Indian 3.28
7 North_African 2.72
8 East_African 1.47
9 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.42
10 Australoid 1.31
11 South_East_Asian 0.88
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.38
13 East_Siberian 0.36
14 Archaic_Human 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_South ( ) 4.5
2 Kurd_East ( ) 5.45
3 Kurd ( ) 8.08
4 Iranian ( ) 9.32
5 Kurd_North ( ) 9.35
6 Azeri ( ) 10.04
7 Baku_WGA ( ) 12.93
8 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 13.25
9 Iraki ( ) 14.78
10 Turk_Adana ( ) 15.43
11 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 15.9
12 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 15.9
13 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 16.36
14 Lak ( ) 17.23
15 Azeri_Dagestan ( ) 17.27
16 Kurd_Jew ( ) 17.33
17 Tabassaran ( ) 17.62
18 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 17.64
19 Ain_Touta_WGA ( ) 17.66
20 Dargin_Urkarah ( ) 17.91

Aria
05-06-2016, 09:43 PM
Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 37.66
2 Gedrosia 30.2
3 Southwest_Asian 15.29
4 North_European 5.64
5 Atlantic_Med 5.63
6 South_Asian 3.62
7 Southeast_Asian 1.4
8 East_African 0.45
9 Northwest_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source)Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 2.84
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 4.52
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 4.57
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.51
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 12.24
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.33
7 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 17.48
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 17.9
9 Turks (Behar) 17.94
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 18.5
11 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 18.53
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 19.01
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 20.18
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.27
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 21.22
16 Lebanese (Behar) 21.41
17 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.63
18 Syrians (Behar) 22.32
19 Lezgins (Behar) 23.7
20 Jordanians (Behar) 24.64

Aria
05-06-2016, 09:53 PM
Wow! do you also come from the south? Are the Iranians data similar to mine?
I don't buy it. If you do have arab, it's probably from a source that is strongly iranic. Baghdad arabs and some of the shiah tribes are heavily admixed with west-iranics. Genetically you look like a feyli. Your admixture proportions are almost identical to mine. Which makes sense, considering that feylis and bakhtiaris only a few hundered years ago were tribal neighbours.

Here is mine for comparison:
North_Atlantic 2.96
Baltic 3.39
West_Med 3.24
West_Asian 41.37
East_Med 29.04
Red_Sea 6.63
South_Asian 10.09
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.54
Amerindian 0.23
Oceanian 0.10
Northeast_African 0.15
Sub-Saharan 1.23

MfA
05-06-2016, 09:56 PM
I don't think anything in your results point to Azeri or any Turkic ancestry. No recent real Arab admixture either.

Arbogan
05-06-2016, 09:58 PM
Wow! do you also come from the south? Are the Iranians data similar to mine?

Yes, ilam. And yes, you look very much like a tribal south-west iranic. I can show you some other feylis aswell.

DMXX
05-06-2016, 10:00 PM
Agreed with MfA. Everything looks in range for someone from W/SW Iran that doesn't have Arab or Assyrian heritage somewhere down the line.

If there is some Azeri Iranian ancestry, it has to be quite distant indeed.

Aria
05-06-2016, 10:09 PM
I think so too as my 4th to distant cousin comes from Kazan,Tatarstan.So,as you said it's probably distant.
Agreed with MfA. Everything looks in range for someone from W/SW Iran that doesn't have Arab or Assyrian heritage somewhere down the line.

If there is some Azeri Iranian ancestry, it has to be quite distant indeed.

Aria
05-06-2016, 10:10 PM
I would like that.
Yes, ilam. And yes, you look very much like a tribal south-west iranic. I can show you some other feylis aswell.

Arbogan
05-06-2016, 11:25 PM
I would like that.

Puntdnal k12:

Sub-Saharan 0.90%
Amerindian -
South_Asian 9.01%
Near_East 14.97%
Siberian 1.42%
European_HG 4.83%
Caucasus_HG 44.10%
South_African_HG -
Anatolian_NF 23.88%
East_Asian -
Oceanian -
Beringian 0.89%


--------------------------

Sub-Saharan -
Amerindian 1.07
South_Asian 8.48
Near_East 14.22
Siberian 0.29
European_HG 7.51
Caucasus_HG 42.26
South_African_HG -
Anatolian_NF 24.22
East_Asian -
Oceanian -
Beringian 1.90

-------------------------------

Sub-Saharan -
Amerindian -
South_Asian 8.55
Near_East 15.69
Siberian 0.83
European_HG 5.58
Caucasus_HG 45.57
South_African_HG -
Anatolian_NF 23.06
East_Asian -
Oceanian -
Beringian 0.72

Aria
05-07-2016, 12:20 AM
It's really amazing!! I never expected these results:)

Aria
05-07-2016, 12:23 AM
In another forum somebody said that the Caucasus % on my results were higher than the average Iranian he had seen.Agree?

DMXX
05-07-2016, 12:34 AM
In another forum somebody said that the Caucasus % on my results were higher than the average Iranian he had seen.Agree?

There's substantial variation in the component scores across Iran, in spite of everyone essentially being a combination of CHG and EEF. I'm a northerner and score around 9% less CHG than you do.

You probably are more CHG than the Iranian average, but you look very typical for someone of W-SW Iranian ancestry. Observe the Feyli scores Arbogan has procured. Highly similar.

Aria
05-07-2016, 12:49 AM
He said that I'm genetically a Feyli so now I how some homework to do :) This is probably far fetched but do my results say that I'm "purer" than most Iranians?
There's substantial variation in the component scores across Iran, in spite of everyone essentially being a combination of CHG and EEF. I'm a northerner and score around 9% less CHG than you do.

You probably are more CHG than the Iranian average, but you look very typical for someone of W-SW Iranian ancestry. Observe the Feyli scores Arbogan has procured. Highly similar.

DMXX
05-07-2016, 01:02 AM
He said that I'm genetically a Feyli so now I how some homework to do :) This is probably far fetched but do my results say that I'm "purer" than most Iranians?

Given you know your ancestry, Arbogan probably just meant that your mixture strongly resembles Feylis. Which is to be expected, frankly. Genetic clines in Iran are largely geographical. Feylis, Lurs and Bakhtiaris are going to be highly similar to one another, the same way northern Iranians (Azeris, Persians from the northern provinces, Kurmanji Kurds) are.

Genetic purity does not exist in Iran. The country lies on an important connection between the Caucasus, Mesopotamia, South-Central Asia and the arid Asian steppe. Movements have occurred across the plateau for centuries and extending into prehistory.

If you are referring to surplus East Eurasian or Sub-Saharan African admixture in Iran, it does appear as if you have less than the average Iranian based on our current data. Iranians are something like 2% East Eurasian overall. You're sitting around 1-1.2%. Whether or not that is typical for someone from SW Iran is another question entirely.

Aria
05-07-2016, 01:19 AM
Regarding ancestry how should I classify myself as?
Given you know your ancestry, Arbogan probably just meant that your mixture strongly resembles Feylis. Which is to be expected, frankly. Genetic clines in Iran are largely geographical. Feylis, Lurs and Bakhtiaris are going to be highly similar to one another, the same way northern Iranians (Azeris, Persians from the northern provinces, Kurmanji Kurds) are.

Genetic purity does not exist in Iran. The country lies on an important connection between the Caucasus, Mesopotamia, South-Central Asia and the arid Asian steppe. Movements have occurred across the plateau for centuries and extending into prehistory.

If you are referring to surplus East Eurasian or Sub-Saharan African admixture in Iran, it does appear as if you have less than the average Iranian based on our current data. Iranians are something like 2% East Eurasian overall. You're sitting around 1-1.2%. Whether or not that is typical for someone from SW Iran is another question entirely.

ancestryfan1994
05-07-2016, 05:31 AM
I think that while the GEDmatch calculators are extremely helpful, they shouldn't really be used as final conformation for something on its own. At best i think what it does is say that you don't have any immediate signals of non Iranian ancestry, but that doesn't mean that you don't have any period. There's been things I've confirmed that barely show up as a plausible signal in GEDmatch, so again, best thing for somebody in your situation is to just look for patterns among your genetic cousins and see what repetitive ones begin to emerge. In your case as of right now in a nut shell, it doesn't look like there's anything unusual that strays you away from what you reported about your family, but this doesn't mean that you don't necessarily have anything else too.

How many Turkish cousins do you have? and what are the segment sizes? I would imagine that there's a fair amount of Iranians with hidden Anatolian connections maybe, based on the very close contact between Iran and turkey in the very distant past and the fact that a lot of us seem to have Turkish cousins show up.

surbakhunWeesste
05-07-2016, 06:08 AM
Regarding ancestry how should I classify myself as?

Iranian.

Aria
05-07-2016, 03:38 PM
From the picture profiles I see only one and once again she's my 4th to distant cousin and we share 1segment (0.10%).
I think that while the GEDmatch calculators are extremely helpful, they shouldn't really be used as final conformation for something on its own. At best i think what it does is say that you don't have any immediate signals of non Iranian ancestry, but that doesn't mean that you don't have any period. There's been things I've confirmed that barely show up as a plausible signal in GEDmatch, so again, best thing for somebody in your situation is to just look for patterns among your genetic cousins and see what repetitive ones begin to emerge. In your case as of right now in a nut shell, it doesn't look like there's anything unusual that strays you away from what you reported about your family, but this doesn't mean that you don't necessarily have anything else too.

How many Turkish cousins do you have? and what are the segment sizes? I would imagine that there's a fair amount of Iranians with hidden Anatolian connections maybe, based on the very close contact between Iran and turkey in the very distant past and the fact that a lot of us seem to have Turkish cousins show up.

vatan
05-07-2016, 03:45 PM
Pretty typical for a Southern Iranian :)

Aria
05-07-2016, 03:54 PM
These are my non Iranian relatives:
Hirbod- 3rd to distant cousin 1 segment (0.16%)
Jamison- 3rd to distant cousin 1segmant (0.16%)
Coxon- 3rd to distant cousin 1 segment (0.12%)
Constantine- 3rd distant cousin 1 segment (0.11%)
Osler - 4th to distant cousin cousin 1 segment (0.10%)
Annen- 4th to distant cousin 1 segment (0.10%)
Kruger- 4th distant cousin 1 segment (0.10%)
Thach- 4th distant cousin 1 segment (0.10%)
Seklir- 4th distant cousin 1 segment (0.10%)
Spielmann- 4th to distant cousin 1 segment (0.10%)
Bulgakov- 4th to distant cousin 1 segment (0.09%)

Aria
05-07-2016, 03:58 PM
The thing is I have 3rd,4rth,5th cousins on there but they have no info on their profile :\

Aria
05-07-2016, 04:01 PM
How were yours ?
Pretty typical for a Southern Iranian :)

vatan
05-07-2016, 04:05 PM
How were yours ?

I didn't take a test yet, but i plan to. My paternal side is originally from Kermanshah and Iranian azarbaijan. Maternally from the south (Fars province). If i had to guess, my ynda is most likely J2.

ancestryfan1994
05-07-2016, 04:05 PM
Yeah im struggling to see anything to make a case for you being anything other than typical Southern Iranian. Without more of a pattern its difficult to go off those relatives alone. You seem to be pretty standard.

Aria
05-07-2016, 04:15 PM
Sigh! I thought it would be more excising:crutch: ahaha
Yeah im struggling to see anything to make a case for you being anything other than typical Southern Iranian. Without more of a pattern its difficult to go off those relatives alone. You seem to be pretty standard.

Aria
05-07-2016, 04:20 PM
Exciting* lol

ancestryfan1994
05-07-2016, 04:26 PM
Sigh! I thought it would be more excising:crutch: ahaha

I really hate to disappoint people, and again, I'm not saying that you definitely have no interesting stuff in your family history, I'm just saying that you'll need to look at other methods. Us Iranians are a complex bunch, and there's really no route for us to learn about our ancestors the traditional way as things like surnames are a recent invention, and consensus records just don't exist there, so we often have to use alternative methods like genetics as our gateway to the past. Ill use myself as an example, i originally tested to find out if my families suspected East Asian ancestry was real.

First i just tested myself, there was nothing initially to support it despite me putting a fuss up to see if there was, my genetic profile looked like a standard southern Iranian. But then as i tested more family members each one added something new to the table. Not only did getting my brothers tested support the East Asian ancestry, but their genomes added even more unsuspected elements to it. And now as one recent example, I've found two people in GEDmatch thanks to testing more family members, who could very well be related to me through their Japanese half (yet to confirm). They would never have shown up if i didn't get my brothers tested.

So my advice to you as of right now would be to maybe test more family members if you can? getting more family members tested makes a huge difference to the bigger picture. I initially held back, but it was the best thing i could have done if i wanted to get more information out of our family history through genetics.

DMXX
05-07-2016, 06:33 PM
I didn't take a test yet, but i plan to. My paternal side is originally from Kermanshah and Iranian azarbaijan. Maternally from the south (Fars province). If i had to guess, my ynda is most likely J2.

Are you half Azeri half Persian like myself?

Arbogan
05-07-2016, 10:29 PM
Exciting* lol

Well, tribal south-west iranics are interesting. They're out of the groups in iran, most similar to pre-Indo-Iranian invasion locals.

Aria
05-07-2016, 11:00 PM
That's true. My mom did always say that we were the "Original" Iranians.:)
Well, tribal south-west iranics are interesting. They're out of the groups in iran, most similar to pre-Indo-Iranian invasion locals.

vatan
05-08-2016, 12:14 AM
Are you half Azeri half Persian like myself?

Yes dadash :)

vatan
05-08-2016, 12:22 AM
Sigh! I thought it would be more excising:crutch: ahaha

Yea, despite all of the punt results, all Iranians are related to each other. :D

Tomenable
07-31-2016, 02:33 AM
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.39
2 East_Med 33.59
3 South_Asian 10.51
4 Eastern_Euro 8.36
5 Red_Sea 5
6 North_Sea 2.81
7 West_Med 1.12
8 Northeast_African 0.7
9 Oceanian 0.68
10 Southeast_Asian 0.46
11 Baltic 0.3
12 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 5.21
2 Iranian 5.38
3 Azeri 8.86
4 Georgian_Jewish 11.01
5 Armenian 11.25
6 Assyrian 12.88
7 Turkish 13.85
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.81
9 Kurdish_Jewish 16.09
10 Turkmen 17.87
11 Kumyk 18.84
12 Lebanese_Muslim 19.67
13 Syrian 20.92
14 Georgian 21.73
15 Lezgin 21.95
16 Makrani 22.11
17 Adygei 22.67
18 Lebanese_Druze 24
19 Cyprian 24.13
20 Tabassaran 24.14

Very similar to this Medieval Iranian man GD1150 or Iran_recent (dated to years 1430-1485 CE):

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2016/06/16/059311.DC1/059311-1.pdf

MfA posted his (gedmatch T637158 400K SNP) Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 in another thread:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.1
2 East_Med 33.71
3 Eastern_Euro 9.65
4 Red_Sea 5.97
5 South_Asian 5.28
6 Baltic 4.33
7 Atlantic 2.89
8 North_Sea 2.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 6.03
2 Iranian 7.53
3 Azeri 8.86
4 Georgian_Jewish 9.68
5 Armenian 11.08
6 Assyrian 12.08
7 Turkish 12.49
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.59
9 Kurdish_Jewish 15.89
10 Kumyk 17.71
11 Lebanese_Muslim 18.46
12 Turkmen 19.29
13 Syrian 20.17
14 Georgian 20.93
15 Lezgin 20.97
16 Adygei 21.2
17 Cyprian 22.78
18 Kabardin 22.83
19 Lebanese_Druze 23
20 Lebanese_Christian 23.45

Tomenable
07-31-2016, 02:40 AM
(Note: I'm originally from Southern Iran)

That Medieval guy above, was from Western Iran (from Ganj Dareh, near Kermanshah):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermanshah

I guess that you get more of South Asian than him because you are from Southern Iran.

vatan
09-22-2016, 01:50 AM
Very similar to this Medieval Iranian man GD1150 or Iran_recent (dated to years 1430-1485 CE):

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2016/06/16/059311.DC1/059311-1.pdf

MfA posted his (gedmatch T637158 400K SNP) Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 in another thread:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.1
2 East_Med 33.71
3 Eastern_Euro 9.65
4 Red_Sea 5.97
5 South_Asian 5.28
6 Baltic 4.33
7 Atlantic 2.89
8 North_Sea 2.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 6.03
2 Iranian 7.53
3 Azeri 8.86
4 Georgian_Jewish 9.68
5 Armenian 11.08
6 Assyrian 12.08
7 Turkish 12.49
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.59
9 Kurdish_Jewish 15.89
10 Kumyk 17.71
11 Lebanese_Muslim 18.46
12 Turkmen 19.29
13 Syrian 20.17
14 Georgian 20.93
15 Lezgin 20.97
16 Adygei 21.2
17 Cyprian 22.78
18 Kabardin 22.83
19 Lebanese_Druze 23
20 Lebanese_Christian 23.45

I'm liking his eastern euro result. ;)