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anglesqueville
05-11-2016, 09:00 PM
My father is K1c1c, but I guess that if I ask about K1c1c, I'll get no response. ( I looked on GenBanks and Molden: a few people in Finland and Russia, and that's all). K1c1 perhaps, or at least K1c? Who is K1c? What do you know about this Mt Haplo?

edit: seemingly K1c is empty, according to a text of 2013 or 2014. K1c1?

anglesqueville
09-24-2016, 03:19 PM
Really nothing bout K1c1? Is it so rare?

AJL
09-25-2016, 03:05 PM
One of my ancestral lines is a cousin to your father, K1c2, from coastal County Down, Ireland. The spread of her matches is largely Scandinavia and FInland on the one hand, and the north of Britain and Ireland on the other.

From the distribution of K1c one is tempted to think it arose elsewhere, possibly around the Alps, but then K1c1 and K1c2 only spread later in any quantity with Goths/Norse/Scandinavians. This would make your father's line very Norman in the literal sense of the Norrmenn (Norwegians), which I think should please you a little. :)

C J Wyatt III
09-25-2016, 03:49 PM
One of my ancestral lines is a cousin to your father, K1c2, from coastal County Down, Ireland. The spread of her matches is largely Scandinavia and FInland on the one hand, and the north of Britain and Ireland on the other.


AJL, what is your earliest known ancestor on your K1c2 line? I've been researching a group of elusive Wyatt cousins from around Talladega AL. The matriarch of the group appears to be K1c2 (three or four maternal lines which I believe go through her have tested K1c2). Needless to say, my interests in K1c2 are more recent than distant.

Thanks,

Jack Wyatt

anglesqueville
09-25-2016, 03:54 PM
One of my ancestral lines is a cousin to your father, K1c2, from coastal County Down, Ireland. The spread of her matches is largely Scandinavia and FInland on the one hand, and the north of Britain and Ireland on the other.

From the distribution of K1c one is tempted to think it arose elsewhere, possibly around the Alps, but then K1c1 and K1c2 only spread later in any quantity with Goths/Norse/Scandinavians. This would make your father's line very Norman in the literal sense of the Norrmenn (Norwegians), which I think should please you a little. :)

Thanks very much for your answer. I don't have many doubts about my father's "ethnicity". Furthermore her mother was born from frisian parents, and there are many converging signs that she had some not so distant finnish ancestors. My curiosity is not really focused on my father, even if I would be happy to get some infos on his haplo outside of Finland and North Russia, but more generally on the diffusion paths of K1c1, with this strange founder effect in Finland/North Russia (K1c1c). Btw, according to genbank, K1c1d seems to be even more rare.

AJL
09-25-2016, 07:13 PM
AJL, what is your earliest known ancestor on your K1c2 line? I've been researching a group of elusive Wyatt cousins from around Talladega AL. The matriarch of the group appears to be K1c2 (three or four maternal lines which I believe go through her have tested K1c2). Needless to say, my interests in K1c2 are more recent than distant.

Thanks,

Jack Wyatt

Surname is Brown, however many of them are exact matches with nary a common paper trail.



Thanks very much for your answer. I don't have many doubts about my father's "ethnicity". Furthermore her mother was born from frisian parents, and there are many converging signs that she had some not so distant finnish ancestors. My curiosity is not really focused on my father, even if I would be happy to get some infos on his haplo outside of Finland and North Russia, but more generally on the diffusion paths of K1c1, with this strange founder effect in Finland/North Russia (K1c1c). Btw, according to genbank, K1c1d seems to be even more rare.

Probably due to isolation of K1c around Scandinavia and Finland in after leaving (maybe) the Alpine area, combined with very small historical populations (founder effect) around Karelia, for example.

Anath
12-02-2016, 05:54 AM
I am k1c1 with no mutations too and it was really confusing, because no matter how many predictors or tests i did, i would always get k1c1.
I have read that k1c1 may of had a caucasus origin, migrated into eastern Europe via Greece, as there were very old Thessalian fossils with mtdna k1c1 but i can't be 100% sure of the research. I assumed k1c1 could be more eastern euro but came into the west via the Scandinavians.

Kristiina
12-02-2016, 08:13 AM
In this paper you can find a lot of info on haplogroup U8/K in general: http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

Check also Supplementary Data 1 "Phylogenetic tree of haplogroup U8 mitogenome sequences": http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543#supplementary-information

There are some confirmed ancient K1c finds: Theopetra Thessaly Greece 7288–6771 BC K1c, Bell Beaker Osterhofen Germany K1c1, Mako BA Kompolt-Kigyoser Hungary K1c1.

Osiris
12-31-2016, 01:39 AM
My wife is K1c1g. She got it from the hills around Genoa in Italy. I believe we may eventually get one more level down as she and another woman with a blank most distant maternal ancestor share a back mutation of G16129A!

Wheal
06-02-2018, 05:39 PM
My husband is K1c1, and of course his mother

ouachitawoman
07-12-2018, 05:20 PM
my husband is U106 Z11 and i am K1c1. kinda cool we both match your hubby.

penlanach
02-20-2019, 10:07 PM
My MtDNA Haplogroup is K1c1f, which from what I can find on the web and in academic journals is found in Mesolithic Greek ancientDNA. Unlike most K which is usually associated with the the Neolithic demic diffusion from the Levant. I'd like to find out more about the K1c1 in ancient populations.

J1 DYS388=13
02-21-2019, 10:48 AM
There's an Early Bronze Age K1c1 in this paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321227860_Genome_diversity_in_the_Neolithic_Globul ar_Amphorae_culture_and_the_spread_of_Indo-European_languages

If you can't download it from there, you can find it elsewhere.

Kristiina
02-21-2019, 12:28 PM
This is the list of K1c1* samples that I have recorded in my ancient mtDNA record:

Iron Gates HG Padina Serbia I5238 c. 8000 BCE K1c,
Romania HG Ostrovul Corbului I5408 K1c,
Iron Gates HG Vlasac Serbia I4657 9500 BCE K1c,
Iron Gates HG Vlasac Serbia I4870 6800 BCE K1c,
Theopetra Thessaly Greece Theo5 + Theo1 (-) c. 8070 bp K1c x2,
EN Germany LBK Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld I2029 K1c,
LBK Poland Krusza Zankova KZ2 c. 4200 BC K1c,

Balkans EBA Bulgaria I2175 K1c1,
Bell Beaker Osterhofen Germany I5021/I4144/RISE563 K1c1,
BB Southern France Forcalquier France I2575 K1c1,
Mako BA Kompolt-Kigyoser Hungary I1502/BR1 K1c1,
Zevakinskiy LBA East Zevakinskiy stone fence Kazakhstan I3753 1111-941 calBCE K1c1
Longobard Italy Collegno CL94 600 AD K1c1,
Hungarian Conqeurors Karos-Eperjesszög Bodrogköz Hungary Karos2/48 K1c1,
Hungarian Conqeurors Karos-Eperjesszög Bodrogköz Hungary Karos1/3285 K1c1,

Tömöry ancient Hungarians Szegvár-Oromdülő/412/anc5 K1c1d,

Hungarian Conqeurors Karos-Eperjesszög Bodrogköz Hungary Karos2/8 K1c1e

Pre-Christian period Viđar (Másvatn) North Iceland MKR-A1 870–1000 AD K1c

J1 DYS388=13
02-21-2019, 05:27 PM
Does your ancient mtDNA record include all haplogroups?

Kristiina
02-23-2019, 06:31 AM
Does your ancient mtDNA record include all haplogroups?

I have recorded all Western Eurasian and Siberian ancient samples if I have paid attention to the paper where they were published. However, I have excluded papers with too vague haplotype assignment, i.e if assignments are on the level of U, H, K etc. I have not recorded American, Sub-Saharan, Australian or African mtDNAs.

J1 DYS388=13
02-23-2019, 12:37 PM
Here's someone else's list http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html

Wiatt
01-17-2020, 06:51 PM
Hello.
I just got my mtDNA results. I am K1c1g.
Can you tell me what you know about K1c1g ?
Thank you, WW in Ohio

Wiatt
01-17-2020, 07:03 PM
Hello Osiris. I just got my mtDNA results. I am K1c1g also. Is there an estimate of how far back your wife and I are related? What can you tell me about it? Thanks, WW in Ohio.

Osiris
01-17-2020, 07:15 PM
You can see info about known carriers at FTDNA's MTDNA K project or the public haplotree below.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/K;name=K1c1g

But it's tricky to say which culture K1c1g was born in and when. At least so far as I know.