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Asimakidis
05-17-2016, 09:13 AM
So, I got the results from my paternal gr.mother's Y dna.

E-V13>Z16663, through FTDNA's snp pack.

Can't find much about it. Any suggestions about its origin etc?

Gravetto-Danubian
05-17-2016, 09:30 AM
So, I got the results from my paternal gr.mother's Y dna.

E-V13>Z16663, through FTDNA's snp pack.

Can't find much about it. Any suggestions about its origin etc?

Nice work
We need a lot more "Balkan"- and indeed all European- people sampled for V13 subclades to create any sort of picture.

Asimakidis
05-17-2016, 11:28 AM
Well, our curiosity is all we have right :)!

From the forum on FTDNA (E-V13) I was told this:
"Your branch is very rare. According to the Alf's spreadsheet, it is found only in scientific samples - one from the 1000 genome project from Tuscany and one from Sardinia. So definitely present in Italy and probably on the Balkans, but not many people tested deeper, yet."

I guess I will have to wait until more people test to find new clues.

Asimakidis
06-09-2016, 08:00 PM
quote..
". Z16663 is a very rare subclade. Up to now it was only found in 2 Sardinian samples and 1 Tuscan sample from large scale scientific studies."

manman
06-11-2016, 08:41 AM
Thank
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Asimakidis
07-22-2017, 11:11 AM
I am seeing some E-Z21371 popping up under Z16663, and one being from the same area as my ancestor (through my paternal gm's side). I have read some about the area that they came from and it seems it was a Fortress during Eastern Roman times. Sebinkarahisar (Mavrokatron =black fortress), named Koloneia ny the Romans. Could there be a link to that, considering E-z16663 usually is found in Italy and W.Europe.

arctangent
09-23-2018, 05:03 PM
This is an old post, but I thought I'd hop on--I too have been tested down to E-Z16663. My last name is Hoffman, but I don't have any info on my great grandfather from before he migrated to the US from Eckersdorf, Bayreuth, Bavaria.

Lupriac
12-09-2018, 05:57 PM
This is an old post, but I thought I'd hop on--I too have been tested down to E-Z16663. My last name is Hoffman, but I don't have any info on my great grandfather from before he migrated to the US from Eckersdorf, Bayreuth, Bavaria.

Most likely a Roman soldier. Romans settled in areas they conquered, though it may be earlier around 3000 BCE

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TomasV
09-24-2019, 03:57 PM
I have been tested E-Z21371 (big Y in porogress right now) .
My ancestors come from southern Moravia and I have a paper track up to the 16th century . Name is Stejskal/Stiskal and as it is a typically slavic name, it can be supposed that they have been living in this place since at least 9th century .

Ruderico
09-24-2019, 03:59 PM
it can be supposed that they have been living in this place since at least 9th century .

My advice is to not make such conclusions unless you can back them up with records. A jump of 7 centuries is gargantuan

TomasV
09-24-2019, 04:52 PM
Strange advice.
It is not a conclusion but a hypothesis and a hypothesis doesn't need to be backed by records because if it was, it would be a certainty and not a hypothesis. For the same reason this hypothesis is not refuted by records either .

This hypothesis is based on :
- documented existence of the village where they resided in the 10th century and probable existence before
- documented existence of the owner of the village
- documented existence of serfdom which forbade subjects to leave the property of the lord on their own . In the crushing majority of cases farms were passed down from father to son .
- documented extremely low mobility of of farmers between the 10th and 15th century especially if they were granted a farm from the owner . Symetrically the probability that a stranger would have received a farm was vanishingly low for this period .
- documented high stability of the surname Stejskal/Stiskal over several centuries and its typically slavic form

That's why the most probable hypothesis is that the ancestors of the last documented Stejskal in the village have been living in the village/fiefdom for several centuries before the end of the 15th .
Actually they might either have been living in the region before the arrival of the Slavs or had arrived with them but there is no clear probabilistic argument which would allow me to prefer one hypothesis to the other .

In any case the purpose of my post was mainly to inform those who might be interested that my Y line from southern Moravia was another European E-Z21371 .

digital_noise
09-24-2019, 06:18 PM
Come on bro, what he is saying is a lot can happen in 700 years and in the Y-DNA arena, we are only scratching the surface. Your guess is as good as any of ours but assuming people stayed put for 700 is unlikely (although not entirely impossible). What is the date for TMRCA of your subclade? if its like mine, which is 4800 years ago, and I can trace my line to 1700. That falls 4500 years short haha