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Gravetto-Danubian
05-25-2016, 01:23 AM
Whilst we wait for the full publication, Dr Shin (Palaeogeneticist from Korea) involved in the project has put up a poster (http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html)

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Here is what Davidski made of it:

"Guys, first clues about Harappan DNA.

- Neolithic migration from Iranian plateau

- later admixture via maritime links (with Arabia?)

See the concluding remarks in the image here...

http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html

Screams Brahui to me."

Varun R
05-25-2016, 01:54 AM
THANK YOU!!!!! =)

Varun R
05-25-2016, 01:58 AM
If that is the case, then I think a Dravidian or language family X linguistic identity for IVC inhabitants is most likely..

Generalissimo
05-25-2016, 09:11 AM
On second inspection of that poster, it's too goddamn vague to know what they mean.

Gravetto-Danubian
05-25-2016, 09:17 AM
Fair enough
But it seems there is some progress

rozenfeld
05-25-2016, 11:41 AM
Ok, I read it and it's vague and there doesn't seem to be anything new.

ffoucart
05-25-2016, 11:55 AM
Perhaps the results are not exactly what they would like to see.

If there is some migration from Iran before 1000 BC, it doesn't exactly back OIT. Hence some delay to find other samples, more "compatible" with OIT.

The IE question in India is far too political. Science is not always welcome in this subject.

rozenfeld
05-25-2016, 12:02 PM
Are there any aDNA projects from other South Asian countries? Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka?

Shaikorth
05-25-2016, 12:20 PM
Are there any aDNA projects from other South Asian countries? Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka?

Based on the abstract these "central Asians" are actually Nepalese genomes from Annapurna area, 3150-1250 BP. Very little info but it's something.


Jeong: ancient central Asian genomes most closely related to Tibetans and Sherpa but don't have all derived high altitude alleles

Romilius
05-25-2016, 01:57 PM
Whilst we wait for the full publication, Dr Shin (Palaeogeneticist from Korea) involved in the project has put up a poster (http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html)

9459

Here is what Davidski made of it:

"Guys, first clues about Harappan DNA.

- Neolithic migration from Iranian plateau

- later admixture via maritime links (with Arabia?)

See the concluding remarks in the image here...

http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html

Screams Brahui to me."

Very interesting! Thanks a lot for sharing!

parasar
05-25-2016, 03:30 PM
Whilst we wait for the full publication, Dr Shin (Palaeogeneticist from Korea) involved in the project has put up a poster (http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html)

9459

Here is what Davidski made of it:

"Guys, first clues about Harappan DNA.

- Neolithic migration from Iranian plateau

- later admixture via maritime links (with Arabia?)

See the concluding remarks in the image here...

http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html

Screams Brahui to me."

What we know from morphology:
Page 144 Chapter 7 http://pages.uoregon.edu/jrlukacs/Dr.%20John%20R.%20Lukacs%20Website/downloads/Document47.pdf

First discontinuity: 6000bc-4500bc
Second discontinuity: post 1700bc

Tomenable
05-25-2016, 04:33 PM
If that is the case, then I think a Dravidian or language family X linguistic identity for IVC inhabitants is most likely..

Hmmm, what about some Munda-related language ??? Improbable?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munda_languages

Pribislav
05-25-2016, 04:59 PM
Hmmm, what about some Munda-related language ??? Improbable?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munda_languages

O2 is the most dominant haplogroup among Munda speakers IIRC, so I think it is highly unlikely they had anything with IVC.

Coldmountains
05-25-2016, 05:25 PM
Whilst we wait for the full publication, Dr Shin (Palaeogeneticist from Korea) involved in the project has put up a poster (http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html)

9459

Here is what Davidski made of it:

"Guys, first clues about Harappan DNA.

- Neolithic migration from Iranian plateau

- later admixture via maritime links (with Arabia?)

See the concluding remarks in the image here...

http://shinpaleopathology.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/new-presentation-harappan-burial-sites.html

Screams Brahui to me."

thanks, would be very suprised if IVC was not rich in CHG and Neolithic admixture from the Iranian plateau.

surbakhunWeesste
05-25-2016, 07:52 PM
Based on the abstract these "central Asians" are actually Nepalese genomes from Annapurna area, 3150-1250 BP. Very little info but it's something.

The indigenous people who live around the area are called "Thakkali" they aren't Sherpas, they have their own culture,tradition, those groups definitely have something ancient in common as their language falls under the same category.


They have history of trading towards and from China, hence they are also prosperous. They speak a SinoTibean language, the sister language would be of that Tamangs, Gurungs.... not Sherpa though Sherpa is a Sino Tibean language which is actually closer to some tibetan dialect. Some Nepali Pahari people have ancient history from the Kali Gandaki river valley area, they have weird folklore history of their ancestors who apparently came from Kashgar China. I do not think anything is documented though.

These are Thakkalis from Marpha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypYNAG6tKDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARrSZm87zFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIS6jPgiL3Q
Thakkalis singing Nepali folk song

Sherpas are eastern Nepalese people, the Himalayan region towards Mount Everest and towards Sikkim, India.

parasar
05-25-2016, 08:21 PM
The indigenous people who live around the area are called "Thakkali" they aren't Sherpas, they have their own culture,tradition. They have history of trading towards and from China, hence they are also prosperous. They speak a SinoTibean language, the sister language would be of that Tamangs, Gurungs.... not Sherpa though Sherpa is a Sino Tibean language which is actually closer to some tibetan dialect. Some Nepali Pahari people have ancient history from the Kali Gandaki river valley area, they have weird folklore history of their ancestors who apparently came from Kashgar China. I do not think anything is documented though.
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My village is downstream. The river is famous for it fossil stones called saligrami and we call the river by that name.
https://books.google.com/books?id=7bYRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273

Shaikorth
05-25-2016, 09:06 PM
The abstract said that the Nepalese samples were from three distinct material cultures (unsurprising since they were spread over a 2000 year period) but were genetically similar to each other. Material culture change might still indicate a language change.