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Giuseppina
05-28-2016, 03:28 PM
Need help of experts! Don't understand my mtdna hop, I'm a woman, is j1c1 commun in Sicily
Mtdna? Help

Morges
05-28-2016, 05:15 PM
Remedello had J1c1

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?251-J1c1

Agamemnon
05-28-2016, 05:40 PM
Hi there Giuseppina and welcome to Anthrogenica! J1c1 was found in a ~7,000 year-old farmer from Hungary (I1500) and in a ~6,400 year-old farmer from Greece (Pal7), J1c1 was also found in later Bronze Age samples from Spain (ATP 7 & I1280), Germany (I1539 & RISE471), Russia (RISE386) and Italy (RISE486). J1c itself showed up in two of the Neolithic samples from Barcın (I0744 & I1585) so it's pretty clear that J1c arrived in Europe with the first farmers from the Near East.

Clinton P
05-28-2016, 06:54 PM
Welcome to Anthrogenica Giuseppina.

J1c1 is found throughout Europe.

With subgroups:
J1c1a found in the British Isles and Finland
J1c1b found in western and northern Europe
J1c1g found in western Europe

Regards,
Clinton P

Giuseppina
05-28-2016, 10:02 PM
Hello all! Thank you for yours answer. Sono nata nella Provincia di agrigento Morges... Sicilia : went back to 1730, both maternal and paternal ancesters. They all born in the same village. I'm really not an expert! Very intriguing my j1 c1 ....
So many came and take Sicily.... From every corner of Sicily. Yes.. Is commun in Sicily? Is pass to me from the
Invaders, or was pass to me from an ancient ancestor?

Morges
05-28-2016, 10:41 PM
or was pass to me from an ancient ancestor?

If Remedello had this mtDNA could be very ancient.

Morges
05-28-2016, 11:01 PM
J1c in Italy overall is 3.93% according to Boattini et al, while only in Sicily is 1.7% in the same study. On Sarno et al. is 5.56% but this study used all J1 mtDNA without deeper subclades.

Agamemnon
05-28-2016, 11:15 PM
If Remedello had this mtDNA could be very ancient.

I second that, if J1c1 was in Remedello circa ~4,000 yBP it's quite likely it was present in Italy throughout the Neolithic period... On the other hand, J1c seems to have followed the Danubian route as opposed to the maritime/Mediterranean one, so who knows? More ancient DNA from the Italian peninsula would certainly prove useful.

Assuming she tested with 23andMe, Giuseppina should download her raw data and upload her mtDNA file on James Lick's mtDNA predictor (http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/), that way we could learn more about the specific J1c1 branch she belongs to.

Morges
05-28-2016, 11:22 PM
Indeed, the problem is that we have so few aDNA in Italy, but i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of surprise.

Agamemnon
05-28-2016, 11:26 PM
Indeed, the problem is that we have so few aDNA in Italy, but i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of surprise.

I can only agree with you, in fact much of Southern Europe and the Mediterranean is Terra Incognita as far as ancient DNA goes, IMHO it's safe to assume that ancient results from Greece and Italy are bound to surprise us.