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rms2
06-05-2016, 03:45 PM
If someone has already posted this elsewhere, I apologize.

The site where these skeletons were recovered is thought to have been the royal stronghold of the Gododdin (the Votadini).

I hope they publish some ancient dna results soon.

Facial reconstructions show how murdered 6th century men and women might have looked (http://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/archaeology/art538185-mass-burial-edinburgh-car-park-forensic-warrior-cramond).

moesan
06-11-2016, 07:49 AM
I don't think the reconstruction for the first man is so reliable, when compared to the half of the skull they show.
We know the hair and fleshy parts of head are almost impossible to guess. I think his skull was a bit broader on life than shown in reconstruction. Has somebody views of all the skulls in cause?

rms2
06-11-2016, 04:15 PM
I don't know, but the people who do such reconstructions are usually pretty good at it. They have done reconstructions of the faces of murder victims that have enabled relatives to identify them, so they can't be too far wrong.

JohnHowellsTyrfro
06-11-2016, 10:04 PM
I don't know, but the people who do such reconstructions are usually pretty good at it. They have done reconstructions of the faces of murder victims that have enabled relatives to identify them, so they can't be too far wrong.

It is mostly science, with some "estimation". This brief video explains the basics of the process. I think it is starting to be done using computer technology, laser scanning of the skull etc. these days.


https://youtu.be/VF1cVAb0J2Q?t=60

Cascio
06-12-2016, 08:38 AM
They look pretty much like contemporary Scottish people.

rms2
06-12-2016, 11:18 AM
It is mostly science, with some "estimation". This brief video explains the basics of the process. I think it is starting to be done using computer technology, laser scanning of the skull etc. these days.


https://youtu.be/VF1cVAb0J2Q?t=60

Neat video. Thanks.

This site (http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/heritage/brymbo_man/bm_reconstruction.htm) describes the process of reconstructing the face of the Brymbo Bell Beaker man in Wales.

JohnHowellsTyrfro
06-12-2016, 11:54 AM
Neat video. Thanks.

This site (http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/heritage/brymbo_man/bm_reconstruction.htm) describes the process of reconstructing the face of the Brymbo Bell Beaker man in Wales.

The lady who did it is quite well known over here.

Cinnamon orange
06-14-2016, 01:53 PM
I had to look up his name but Vinnie Jones who played in Elementary came to mind with the first male reconstruction. The resemblance was the first thing I thought of, despite not seeing the actor play for some time.

moesan
06-15-2016, 09:14 PM
the better knowledged man or woman cannot do more than what the remnant permit to it. So the fleshy parts of faces are reconstructed based upon prejudices: supposed ethny. Today in some rare cases we can presuppose the pigmentation; I'm not aware we already know the genes responsible for lips form or nose tip form and thickness of skin (important for wrinkles) or eyelids form or hair implantation (head hair, eyebrows, beard and so on. All these details make the face personal and ethnic look, sorry.
the reconsturction of murders victims can be good or bad according to chance and to family hability to pick a vague ressemblance, what is not sufficient in absence of other proofs, I think.
And computers cannot do everything, they can just propose (quickly) numerous possibilities which deserve checking, on this specific matter. Surely someday new progresses will permit more and more accuracy inreconstructions.
That said I did not say there is nothing reliable in these reconstructions (spite I find someones doesn't take into account the big importance that jaw muscles and cheek fat can give to on life inferior jaw breadth).The bony basis is always respected to give the global external lines.