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Logistics
06-09-2016, 06:30 AM
What is the origin of the Berber haplogroup (i.e. E-M81) and where specifically in Africa did it locally evolve? Wikipedia mentions the following:


It is thought to have originated in the area of North Africa 14,200 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M215_%28Y-DNA%29#E-M81

Yet the citation after that text doesn't seem very reliable. Can anyone enlighten me with more information regarding the origins and evolution of E-M81? Thanks.

BalkanKiwi
06-09-2016, 07:21 AM
What is the origin of the Berber haplogroup (i.e. E-M81) and where specifically in Africa did it locally evolve? Wikipedia mentions the following:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M215_%28Y-DNA%29#E-M81

Yet the citation after that text doesn't seem very reliable. Can anyone enlighten me with more information regarding the origins and evolution of E-M81? Thanks.

I've gone and moved this thread to the E1b-M215 section, so more people can help you. The redirect from the original section will be available for 3 days.

RCO
06-09-2016, 01:54 PM
Most probably somewhere in the "Green Sahara". There's a long line of unbroken SNPs in the M81 sequence, 14200 years and the ramifications occurred ony in the last 2100 years somewhere in North Africa https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M81/

Lank
06-09-2016, 06:54 PM
There is a compelling case for a North/Saharan (even Northwest) African origin of M81. The most divergent branches of E-L19 (http://l19project.com/forum/download/file.php?id=238&sid=11b6e7f808bf4b8e777c2ae05a814fad&mode=view), the ancestor of M81, are found in Gambia, as well as a Barbadian (probably with a recent West African ancestor). It seems most parsimonious that these divergent lineages spread south from North Africa in ancient times (possibly alongside some mtDNA U6 lineages found in West Africa), which could support a very ancient presence of E-L19 in North Africa, with the Capsian culture as its possible origin.

Logistics
07-10-2016, 12:16 AM
Is it accurate to call E-M81 "East African" despite its local evolution (most likely) in North Africa?

jof2311
07-18-2016, 12:49 PM
Most probably somewhere in the "Green Sahara". There's a long line of unbroken SNPs in the M81 sequence, 14200 years and the ramifications occurred ony in the last 2100 years somewhere in North Africa https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M81/
Does that means that all north african people (E-M81) now are descendants of an ancestor who lived 2100 years ago? it's quite recent.
If yes What was maghreb before?
regards.

Claudio
08-09-2017, 03:31 PM
Does that means that all north african people (E-M81) now are descendants of an ancestor who lived 2100 years ago? it's quite recent.
If yes What was maghreb before?
regards.

E-m81 is very young (taking into account margin for error) time of founder roughly 2000/2500 years old? Has there been any more recent subclades found? That are even younger?
Can't seem to find any info?