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Tolan
06-12-2016, 11:35 AM
On your dna relative page: ( https://www.23andme.com/you/relfinder/ )

upload your database. click "DOWNLOAD" on the right.
(For US citizens, it is possible that the access path is different).

Open your file in a spreadsheet, and sort the column "birthplace".

My dna Relative Birthplace:

Western Europe: 29
UK: 11
France: 8
Germany: 6
Spain: 2
Ireland: 1
Switzerland: 1

Eastern Europe: 13:
Finland: 3
Russia: 3
Bulgaria: 1
Czech: 1
Estonia: 1
Poland: 1
Serbia: 1
Sweden: 2

Former European colonies: 258
United States: 217
Canada: 29
Australia: 7
South Africa: 2
Mexico: 1
New Zealand: 1
Nicaragua: 1

Others: 2
Singapore: 1
Uzbekistan: 1

I'm curious about yours:)

firemonkey
06-12-2016, 01:30 PM
USA 200
Canada 32
UK 29
Australia 14
New Zealand 6
Guam 1
Kenya1
Mauritius 1
Mexico1
Norway 1
S Africa 1
Sweden 1
Zimbabwe 1

psaglav
06-12-2016, 01:51 PM
I wish FTDNA had a similar feature. There's a 3rd party program that sorts people according to their email extensions, though. Of course a lot of people are just plain gmail.com so can't be too accurate.

Táltos
06-12-2016, 03:11 PM
Well this was an interesting exercise. The best we can do with CoA gone. I know we would find much more with CoA. Here are my results. I tried to break them up into sections too.

Birthplace
United States-118
Canada-8
Venezuela-1

United Kingdom-9
Germany-5
France-3
Ireland-2
Switzerland-1
Spain-1

Russia-6
Ukraine-6
Poland-3
Belarus-2
Lithuania-1
Slovakia-1

Georgia-1
Turkmenistan-1

Italy-1
Greece-1

Finland-1

Morocco-1

Israel-5

Calamus
06-12-2016, 07:39 PM
United States - 487
Norway - 66
Canada - 22
Sweden - 18
United Kingdom - 10
Finland - 5
Germany - 4
Denmark - 3
Faroe Islands - 1
Honduras - 1
Ireland - 1
Japan - 1
Puerto Rico - 1
South Africa - 1
Switzerland - 1
Ukraine - 1

BalkanKiwi
06-12-2016, 08:54 PM
A bit of variation (not surprising).

Birthplace

United States – 190
Canada – 31
United Kingdom – 21
Australia – 12
New Zealand – 6
Germany – 5
Ukraine – 4
Bosnia – 3
Denmark – 3
Finland – 3
Montenegro – 3
Belarus – 2
Bulgaria – 2
Croatia – 2
Romania – 2
Russia – 2
Israel – 2
South Africa – 2
Sweden – 2
Argentina – 1
Brazil – 1
Chile – 1
Italy – 1
Latvia – 1
Macedonia – 1
Poland – 1
Serbia – 1
Zimbabwe – 1

surbakhunWeesste
06-12-2016, 11:58 PM
Not including family members.

Birthplace
Afghanistan -5
Argentina -1
Australia -7
Belgium -1
Brazil -1
Canada-10
Croatia -1
Czech Republic -1
Denmark -1
Estonia -1
France-2
Georgia -1
Germany-3
India -2
Iran -1
Ireland -1
Italy-4
Jamaica-1
Kazakhstan-1
Lithuania-1
Mexico-1
New Zealand-1
Norway-1
Oman-1
Pakistan-2
Portugal-1
Romania-2
Russia-1
Saudi Arabia-1
South Africa-1
Turkey-1
United Arab Emirates-1
United Kingdom-9
United States -207

AJL
06-13-2016, 02:53 AM
Mine have changed a lot over the years because as more people are added some get pushed out of the cap and disappear forever, unfortunately, unless I can share with them in time. Current close-ish family (known family to third cousins once removed/fourth cousins) not included:

Argentina: 6
Australia: 9
Austria: 2
Azerbaijan: 1
Belarus: 26
Belgium: 1
Brazil: 4
Canada: 46
Chile: 1
Colombia: 1
Cuba: 1
Czechia: 1
Denmark: 2
Finland: 1
France: 12
Georgia: 1
Germany: 8
Hungary: 9
Ireland: 2
Israel: 42
Jamaica: 1
Japan: 2
Kazakhstan: 3
Latvia: 3
Lithuania: 1
Mexico: 5
Moldova: 9
Netherlands: 4
New Zealand: 2
Poland: 9
Romania: 2
Russia: 68
Singapore: 2
South Africa: 14
South Korea: 1
Spain: 1
Switzerland: 1
Turkey: 1
Ukraine: 60
UK: 29
US: 872 (!)
Uruguay: 1
Uzbekistan: 3
Venezuela: 2

BalkanKiwi
06-13-2016, 03:03 AM
Mine have changed a lot over the years because as more people are added some get pushed out of the cap and disappear forever, unfortunately, unless I can share with them in time. Current close-ish family (known family to third cousins once removed/fourth cousins) not included:

Argentina: 6
Australia: 9
Austria: 2
Azerbaijan: 1
Belarus: 26
Belgium: 1
Brazil: 4
Canada: 46
Chile: 1
Colombia: 1
Cuba: 1
Czechia: 1
Denmark: 2
Finland: 1
France: 12
Georgia: 1
Germany: 8
Hungary: 9
Ireland: 2
Israel: 42
Jamaica: 1
Japan: 2
Kazakhstan: 3
Latvia: 3
Lithuania: 1
Mexico: 5
Moldova: 9
Netherlands: 4
New Zealand: 2
Poland: 9
Romania: 2
Russia: 68
Singapore: 2
South Africa: 14
South Korea: 1
Spain: 1
Switzerland: 1
Turkey: 1
Ukraine: 60
UK: 29
US: 872 (!)
Uruguay: 1
Uzbekistan: 3
Venezuela: 2

Well played on the United States number! Mighty impressive :beerchug: You have quite a few South Africans on the list. Ashkenazi matches?

rod
06-13-2016, 05:00 AM
Birthplace:
None 613
United States 382
Canada 21
United Kingdom 14
Australia 3
Norway 3
Germany 2
Curacao 1
Denmark 1
Ireland 1
South Africa 1

Mike_G
06-13-2016, 05:04 AM
I'm starting to think us Yanks are a bit over-represented:

United States - 480
Canada - 21
United Kingdom - 18
Russia - 5
Lithuania - 5
Ireland - 5
Australia - 5
Poland -3
Ukraine - 2
Mexico - 2
Belarus - 2
Venezuela - 2
Spain - 1
New Zealand - 1
Netherlands - 1
Czech Republic - 1
South Korea - 1

+1,008 with no birthplace listed.

wombatofthenorth
06-13-2016, 05:26 AM
oops this is using a cut off where I had eliminated below 0.11% matches:
blank - 414
United States - 114
Latvia - 17
Russia - 15
Canada - 11
Lithuania - 7
Germany - 7
Ukraine - 7
Finland - 6
Poland - 6
Estonia - 5
Kazakhstan - 3
Sweden - 2
Czech Republic - 2
Croatia - 2
United Kingdom - 2
New Zealand - 2
Belarus - 2
Norway - 1
Denmark - 1
Romania - 1
Bulgaria - 1
Moldova - 1
Kyrgyzstan - 1

AJL
06-13-2016, 05:31 AM
Well played on the United States number! Mighty impressive :beerchug: You have quite a few South Africans on the list. Ashkenazi matches?

Based on their haplogroups, I am guessing all but one, where we might have an English or Dutch or German ancestor in common.

Mike_G
06-13-2016, 05:44 AM
AJL...do you have any of the Canadian ......chuk ancestry?

If not, do you have and reference to point me to on them? As a hockey fan I always wondered about those guys. Thanks.

wombatofthenorth
06-13-2016, 05:55 AM
here is the list based on my full DNAR (above I accidentally used a spreadsheet that had clipped sub 0.11 matches):
blank - 770 (jeez I may be the king of bad ratio for people not filling this out)
United States - 228
Russia - 29
Canada - 24
Latvia - 22
Ukraine - 13
Germany - 12
Poland - 10
Lithuania - 9
Finland - 8
Estonia - 7
Australia - 6
United Kingdom - 6
Sweden - 4
Kazakhstan - 4
Czech Republic - 3
Belarus - 3
Norway - 2
Denmark - 2
Croatia - 2
New Zealand - 2
Switzerland - 1
Romania - 1
Bulgaria - 1
Italy - 1
Moldova - 1
Greece - 1
Brazil - 1
Kyrgyzstan - 1

I think you can see some clear signs of a lot of Latvian heritage since that tiny country, not well tested comes out way up near the top. And I think you can also see signs that Latvians were displaced to the U.S., Canada, U.K., Australia/New Zealand after WWII when Stalin came in. And you can also certainly see clear signs that people in the U.S. and Canada have taken this test the most.

wombatofthenorth
06-13-2016, 06:24 AM
my mom:
blank - 808
United States - 253
Russia - 43
Canada - 25
Latvia - 24
Lithuania - 13
United Kingdom - 12
Estonia - 10
Poland - 10
Ukraine - 10
Belarus - 8
Australia - 8
Sweden - 6
Romania - 6
Germany - 5
Finland - 5
Czech Republic - 4
Kazakhstan - 4
South Africa - 3
Denmark - 3
Slovakia - 2
Serbia - 2
New Zealand - 2
Taiwan - 1
Sri Lanka - 1
Cape Verde - 1
Belgium - 1
Armenia - 1
Bulgaria - 1
Italy - 1
Ireland - 1
Hungary - 1
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 1
Algeria - 1
Spain - 1
Brazil - 1
Israel - 1
Kyrgyzstan - 1

hmm interesting stuff, my mom really has quite a mix, it's striking that she has only 5 from Germany despite perhaps being supposedly nearly 25% German (she seems to score not so many signs of Germany on various ancestry tests, maybe it was only 12.5% and on top maybe only very East Germans and maybe even Baltic type or some that quickly went to other places??? this is the one line we have not been able to trace whatsoever! crazy thing is before starting we thought it would be an easy line to trace and probably the only traceable line!). There appear maybe to be some hints of some real early sailor explorer of the world English/French/Dutch type sailor there perhaps. Again you can see signs of predominantly Latvian ancestry and signs of where Latvians got mostly displaced to. Russia probably comes out so high because many more people test from there (so far she has no Russians on her ancestry lines at all so it seems like they must all be downstream distant cousins so far, although there are a couple lines with so stuff unknown, but they don't seem too likely to have too much along those lines). Her most distantly traced line so far is to 1645 in Valmiera, Latvia.

wombatofthenorth
06-13-2016, 06:38 AM
my dad:
blank - 830
United States - 247
Russia - 30
Latvia - 22
Canada - 18
Germany - 16
Ukraine - 15
Finland - 10
Lithuania - 7
Belarus - 7
United Kingdom - 7
Poland - 6
Australia - 6
Estonia - 5
Sweden - 5
Netherlands - 3
Romania - 2
France - 2
Venezuela - 2
Brazil - 2
Israel - 2
Slovakia - 1
Czech Republic - 1
Croatia - 1
Bulgaria - 1
Denmark - 1
Turkey - 1
Cyprus - 1
Zimbabwe - 1
South Africa - 1
Cuba - 1

curious in that my dad has more German matches but it's my mom who seemingly should have German (although on ancestry tests he generally gets a bit less Baltic, Eastern European, hunter-gatherer than my mom, although they tended to hint his outlier stuff was maybe one part Finnish and one part something like Romanian or western Ukrainian or something), also some odd stuff, interestingly more Finland but less Estonian matches than my mom but scores, on all tests, more Finnish and Siberian type ancestry so maybe it comes from a more distant direct Finnish ancestor instead of a more recent Estonian one, not that you can read so much into these as in many cases people on DNAR are downstream from you and just where distant cousins eventually ended up which doesn't necessarily tell you anything, although certain patterns might hint at things.

AJL
06-13-2016, 06:42 AM
AJL...do you have any of the Canadian ......chuk ancestry?

If not, do you have and reference to point me to on them? As a hockey fan I always wondered about those guys. Thanks.

I have a couple of -sky ancestors but no -chuks. Terry Sawchuk came from the same city as me, though, which is also where Dale Hawerchuk spent most of his career.

The -chuk ending is common among the Ukrainians who formed a major immigrant wave to Canada about a century ago, mainly the Prairies. Many came as wheat farmers and settled in towns where the only productive things to do in winter were and probably still are to curl or to play hockey.

There's a little info here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_surnames).

Another common Ukrainian name ending is -enko. Bill Mosienko, who holds the probably unbreakable NHL record for scoring three goals in 21 seconds, was also from here.

wombatofthenorth
06-13-2016, 07:00 AM
it definitely shows, as did Countries of Ancestry even more, that people really get around and your distant cousins can really end up all over the place! and even some of your direct ancestors might come from who knows where

Stephen1986
06-13-2016, 11:57 AM
Here's mine (only 705 of my 1454 matches show a birthplace) -

United States 530
United Kingdom 81
Canada 46
Australia 16
New Zealand 10
South Africa 4
Denmark 3 (all from same family)
Germany 3
Jamaica 2
Bermuda 1 (born to US parents)
El Salvador 1
Honduras 1
Ireland 1
Israel 1
Malaysia 1
Panama 1
Romania 1
Switzerland 1
Uruguay 1

Here are my brother's (only 603 of his 1314 matches show a birthplace) -

United States 444
United Kingdom 68
Canada 34
Australia 16
Ireland 8
New Zealand 5
South Africa 3
Bermuda 2
Finland 2
Germany 2
Jamaica 2
Japan 2
Norway 2
South Korea 2
Cuba 1
Denmark 1
El Salvador 1
France 1
Honduras 1
Netherlands 1
Panama 1
Poland 1
Sweden 1
Switzerland 1
Turkey 1

wombatofthenorth
06-13-2016, 09:16 PM
My dad's Turkey and Cyprus matches are quite curious in that the matches have no known people on their trees at all from outside of Cyprus and Turkey although they each have a few matches from Baltic area DNA wise, all the matches are on the most distant edge of things. Could it be something to do with Crimean slave trade of long ago?? Or along the same lines but just a trace more recent, I also read that when the Russian Empire moved in and took the region over and pushed Sweden out that they were said to have sold off hundreds to possible some thousands of Baltic people to the Crimean slave trade market. Or perhaps it has something to do with when the Lithuanian Empire extended itself way, way out to the Southeast for a short period. The Viking pathway that at one time they had running all the way down? Although I think that might be getting just a little too far back. I'm sure there are plenty of other options, just a single line twisting from Baltics to Balkans and then down even farther perhaps? or some soldier of fortune going all over during the numerous horrible wars all over Europe and elsewhere way back when?, but we all find it curious at this point.

psaglav
06-13-2016, 09:22 PM
The Viking pathway is too much in the past for autosomal DNA, I think. A link, possibly related to slave trade, via Crimea is plausible. Me and my family got a fair amount of Russian matches as well as Lithuanian and, I think one or two Latvian ones. I thought I'd get only Balkan and Caucasus matches and was very surprised too. So there seems to have been a lot of movement. In my case it seems the movement is mainly from North to South and not the other way around because I'm in the southernmost location of all my matches (save a guy from Israel.) If your TR and Cyprus matches are lone wolves and they match more people from the Baltic region, I'd assume a similar scenario.

Anath
06-14-2016, 09:35 AM
North America - United States (200), Canada (43), Mexico (1)
Central/South America - Costa Rica (1), Argentina (1), Bermuda (1)
Europe - England (49) Ireland (46), Scotland (31), Germany (26), Wales (7), Netherlands (5), Denmark (4), Sweden (4), Greece (3), Poland (2), France (2), Switzerland (2), Croatia (1), Czech Republic (1), Austria (1), Belarus (1), Norway (1)
Africa - South Africa (6)
Asia - Siberia (1)
Oceania - Australia (22), New Zealand (2)

Anath
06-14-2016, 09:38 AM
The Viking pathway is too much in the past for autosomal DNA, I think. A link, possibly related to slave trade, via Crimea is plausible. Me and my family got a fair amount of Russian matches as well as Lithuanian and, I think one or two Latvian ones. I thought I'd get only Balkan and Caucasus matches and was very surprised too. So there seems to have been a lot of movement. In my case it seems the movement is mainly from North to South and not the other way around because I'm in the southernmost location of all my matches (save a guy from Israel.) If your TR and Cyprus matches are lone wolves and they match more people from the Baltic region, I'd assume a similar scenario.

Could be likely, also Tatars lived in the Baltic and there may of been more of them hundreds of years ago assimilated into the population than is the case now. I got Balkan and Caucasus results too.. and so i knew there had to be something more to my ancestry xD so i started family tree research.

L1983
06-14-2016, 07:18 PM
Many of mine do not show birthplace.

However:

US 101
UK 25
Ireland 8
New Zealand 2
Canada 24
Australia 10
Norway 1
Bermuda 1
Spain 1
Netherlands 1

AJL
06-14-2016, 08:21 PM
North America - United States (200), Canada (43), Mexico (1)
Central/South America - Costa Rica (1), Argentina (1), Bermuda (1)
Europe - England (49) Ireland (46), Scotland (31), Germany (26), Wales (7), Netherlands (5), Denmark (4), Sweden (4), Greece (3), Poland (2), France (2), Switzerland (2), Croatia (1), Czech Republic (1), Austria (1), Belarus (1), Norway (1)
Africa - South Africa (6)
Asia - Siberia (1)
Oceania - Australia (22), New Zealand (2)

That's really freaky, your mtDNA and yDNA in combination would typically give you tons of matches in Finland, Russia, Ukraine. I guess you just happened to get atypical uniparental markers on both sides. Also, how do you get the breakdown of birthplaces within the UK, since this isn't listed beyond "UK" (at least in the Canadian version)?

MfA
06-14-2016, 08:31 PM
152 blankistan
32 Turkey
6 United Kingdom
5 Germany
4 Iran
1 Switzerland
1 Romania
1 Poland
1 Netherlands
1 Lebanon
1 France
1 Cyprus
1 Austria
1 Armenia



38 United States
4 Canada
1 New Zealand
1 Australia

Kurd
06-14-2016, 08:49 PM
KURD C3 DNA Relatives



COUNTRY
# OF RELATIVES


Armenia
1


Bulgaria
1


Hong Kong
1


India
1


Iran
2


Iraq
3


Israel
1


Lebanon
2


Netherlands
1


Sweden
1


Turkey
1


United States
16

wombatofthenorth
06-15-2016, 03:01 AM
I was also thinking that my dad's match to someone born in Cuba seems curious since I thought that Cuba has been relatively cut off an isolated for decades and I wonder how one of his relatives ended up there. I was thinking maybe some Latvian soldier met someone in Russia and then someone from Russia to Cuba, although they list a number of surnames and all sound very Spanish. Their mtDNA, interestingly though is A2, which is apparently found mostly in Eskimos. So that is pretty interesting too, how Eskimo haplogroup ends up in Cuba. I could imagine Eskimo connects back across to Siberia and then to Finland and Baltics but that sort of track back would be way, way beyond autosomal matching, so the whole thing seems very curious.

EDIT: Actually it seems A2 is a bit more mixed, with some sub-groups being found in Eskimos but others only in Paleo-Eskimos and in modern times in SW US and in Central America, etc. so that makes more sense.

CrazyDaisy
06-15-2016, 04:57 AM
Argentina 4
Australia 2
Belarus 1
Brazil 5
Canada 8
Colombia 5
Costa Rica 1
Cuba 1
Dominican Republic 5
Ecuador 23
Egypt 1
El Salvador 1
Germany 2
Guam 1
Iran 1
Israel 7
Mexico 10
New Zealand 1
Nicaragua 2
Panama 1
Peru 7
Poland 1
Portugal 2
Puerto Rico 7
Romania 1
Russia 9
Spain 7
Ukraine 3
UK 3
USA 160
Venezuela 4

AJL
06-15-2016, 03:27 PM
I was also thinking that my dad's match to someone born in Cuba seems curious since I thought that Cuba has been relatively cut off an isolated for decades and I wonder how one of his relatives ended up there. I was thinking maybe some Latvian soldier met someone in Russia and then someone from Russia to Cuba, although they list a number of surnames and all sound very Spanish.

I have a match from Cuba too, but they seem to have some French ancestry based on one surname -- apparently there were a lot of French immigrants there a while back.

Edward J
06-15-2016, 09:40 PM
Australia - 10
Bosnia - 1
Brazil - 2
Canada - 35
Czech Rep - 1
Denmark - 1
Ecuador - 1
France - 1
Germany - 8
Hong Kong - 1
Iceland - 1
Ireland - 1
New Zealand - 10
Peru - 1
Poland - 2
Slovenia - 3
Turkey - 1
UK - 18
US - 447

Dorkymon
06-15-2016, 10:10 PM
Southeastern Europe:
Romania - 16
Bulgaria - 2
Serbia - 1
Croatia - 1
Slovenia - 1

Eastern Europe:
Russia - 13
Poland - 9
Ukraine - 8
Hungary - 4
Belarus - 3
Lithuania - 1
Slovakia - 1

Western Europe:
Germany - 5
United Kingdom - 4
Austria - 1
France - 1

Southwestern Europe:
Italy - 1

Northern Europe:
Finland - 2

Former European colonies:
United States - 146
Canada - 18
Australia - 4
Chile - 2
Argentina - 1
Cuba - 1
South Africa - 1

West Asia:
Turkey - 3

Mike_G
06-15-2016, 11:09 PM
That's really freaky, your mtDNA and yDNA in combination would typically give you tons of matches in Finland, Russia, Ukraine. I guess you just happened to get atypical uniparental markers on both sides. Also, how do you get the breakdown of birthplaces within the UK, since this isn't listed beyond "UK" (at least in the Canadian version)?

Mine showed "Ireland" in five cases. Might just be a result for U.S. kits? Those five didn't seem significant until I saw a few people with reported Irish heritage who had fewer. I was curious where all the Germany and Ireland matches were until Anath posted her list, and wombat posted his parents' German results. I'm also surprised to see very few Italy matches here. The results have been definitely been all over the place, but then again it's a minuscule sample size of a minuscule sample size. Fun exercise though.

AJL
06-15-2016, 11:16 PM
Mine showed "Ireland" in five cases.

"Ireland" I have too, referring to the Republic of Ireland/Eire, but not any part of the UK -- no "Scotland," for example, even though I have Scottish-born matches.

Mike_G
06-15-2016, 11:20 PM
Gotcha. Sorry for the confusion.

AJL
06-16-2016, 12:36 AM
No worries.

Anath
06-16-2016, 12:02 PM
That's really freaky, your mtDNA and yDNA in combination would typically give you tons of matches in Finland, Russia, Ukraine. I guess you just happened to get atypical uniparental markers on both sides. Also, how do you get the breakdown of birthplaces within the UK, since this isn't listed beyond "UK" (at least in the Canadian version)?

You're right about atypical haplogroup results.. my dad's paternal line is Ashkenazi (but his y-dna corresponds to Assyria, the closest) and my mum is only British (so her mtdna could be from Scandinavian/Nordic influences via vikings or something), i didn't think it was that strange to get, i have 3 close 23andme maternal cousins who have the mtdna's I3 and U4a1a, which are also rare.
A lot of my grandpas cousins (1st-2nd-3rd) died in ww2 so i'm not surprised to see not many Eastern European connections, but his immediate family were in Netherlands by then.. I went through all my cousins location markers, but there is no short version on 23andme, there used to be but it's changed on mine.

wombatofthenorth
06-18-2016, 03:32 AM
I have a match from Cuba too, but they seem to have some French ancestry based on one surname -- apparently there were a lot of French immigrants there a while back.

Apparently our match has 1.1% Eastern European (so I guess that ties to us somehow, they have no clue and also think it's interesting). They also have some story about someone Jewish fleeing to the New World (but this probably doesn't have anything to do with us). They are mostly Southern European+Native American.

wombatofthenorth
06-18-2016, 03:47 AM
You're right about atypical haplogroup results.. my dad's paternal line is Ashkenazi (but his y-dna corresponds to Assyria, the closest) and my mum is only British (so her mtdna could be from Scandinavian/Nordic influences via vikings or something), i didn't think it was that strange to get, i have 3 close 23andme maternal cousins who have the mtdna's I3 and U4a1a, which are also rare.
A lot of my grandpas cousins (1st-2nd-3rd) died in ww2 so i'm not surprised to see not many Eastern European connections, but his immediate family were in Netherlands by then.. I went through all my cousins location markers, but there is no short version on 23andme, there used to be but it's changed on mine.

My haplogroups are a touch out of character too. Since R-L20 seems to be very rare in the Baltics (in fact, on FTDNA, I see only ONE other person in the entire country with that, hard to say if that implies it's so rare that my strictly paternal line heads out of Latvia semi-recently (we do have it traced within Latvia to at least 1826ish and maybe to 1800ish, but maybe mid-1700 or early late 1700s it goes out of country somehow??) or if maybe it goes way back there but with low testing in the country it just gets lost). And then my mtDNA haplogroup comes from a possibly German+who knows line (and yet every single other line for my mom seems to go back in Latvia forever, although there is one other line that has some chance to somehow go to France via Orleans of Lithuania maybe). And it feels bad that it's great for research when the haplogroup lines are the ones that can be traced way back and yet we can get the mtDNA only back to 1870 (and not even really since we are not even sure where the 1870 birthplace was) and even the Y-haplo to 1826 is very far from the best we have done (1763 on my dad's side and 1649 on my mom's).

AJL
06-18-2016, 04:06 PM
And then my mtDNA haplogroup comes from a possibly German+who knows line

I think there must be a number of people in the Baltics with a tiny bit of German ancestry from the history there. My mother even has one match from Estonia that I am guessing is a distant German connection but I guess could also come from her little bit of southern Swedish.

geebee
07-06-2016, 01:12 AM
I might point out that while "birth place" may be helpful in most instances, it can be misleading. As an example, my birth place is Fürstenfeldbruck, Bavaria, Germany. However, I am not -- and never was -- German. Indeed, I would say I'm a natural born American citizen, though I was not born in the U.S.

I was born overseas as a U.S. citizen, to a Pennsylvania-born father and a Mississippi-born mother. Both parents have very deep roots in the U.S.

So my German birth place is correct, but definitely misleading.

wombatofthenorth
07-11-2016, 05:51 AM
I might point out that while "birth place" may be helpful in most instances, it can be misleading. As an example, my birth place is Fürstenfeldbruck, Bavaria, Germany. However, I am not -- and never was -- German. Indeed, I would say I'm a natural born American citizen, though I was not born in the U.S.

I was born overseas as a U.S. citizen, to a Pennsylvania-born father and a Mississippi-born mother. Both parents have very deep roots in the U.S.

So my German birth place is correct, but definitely misleading.

Yeah, for instance too my mom was actually born in German while her family was fleeing Stalin's invasion of Latvia (basically had to leave middle of the night and run or get shot on sight or shipped to Siberia the next morning) but she's basically Latvian, not German (I usually just put Latvia for these sorts of questions since it's more true to the point they are after, even if technically not correct).

Bleuteufel
07-16-2016, 05:42 AM
I hadn't checked 23andme in awhile.... My relative numbers have gone down quite a lot. just those with listed birthplace.....

Argentina 2
Australia 2
Belarus 2
Brazil 1
Canada 5
Dominican Republic 2
France 1
Germany 5
Guyana 1
Hungary 2
Israel 2
Latvia 2
Lithuania 1
Poland 2
Romania 1
Russia 7
Ukraine 3
UK 8
USA 193

Cinnamon orange
07-16-2016, 04:11 PM
My dad's Turkey and Cyprus matches are quite curious in that the matches have no known people on their trees at all from outside of Cyprus and Turkey although they each have a few matches from Baltic area DNA wise, all the matches are on the most distant edge of things. Could it be something to do with Crimean slave trade of long ago?? Or along the same lines but just a trace more recent, I also read that when the Russian Empire moved in and took the region over and pushed Sweden out that they were said to have sold off hundreds to possible some thousands of Baltic people to the Crimean slave trade market. Or perhaps it has something to do with when the Lithuanian Empire extended itself way, way out to the Southeast for a short period. The Viking pathway that at one time they had running all the way down? Although I think that might be getting just a little too far back. I'm sure there are plenty of other options, just a single line twisting from Baltics to Balkans and then down even farther perhaps? or some soldier of fortune going all over during the numerous horrible wars all over Europe and elsewhere way back when?, but we all find it curious at this point.

I don't have Baltic states ancestry but do have some matches in Turkey I wonder if are related to the Crimean slave trade or more recent displacements of Balkan people to Turkey. I am part Slavic mixed with Vlach and have ancestors that seem to have migrated north from Moldavia and Romania, prime areas for tartar raids.

To connect with another post, If you do have some German Ancestry, there were Germans in the Moscow region in the 1600's as well as later Baltic German migrations to areas such as St Petersburg. I think some of my matches to Russia on my mothers German and UK side, stem from those early migrants. I was surprised to learn not just Germans but royalist Scots, Italian architects as well as a smattering of Dutch were present in the 16/1700's in Russia.

AnnieD
07-16-2016, 05:58 PM
Mostly British diaspora here with possible high Colonial American heritage. Looks like these results won't challenge family lore too much except for a sizable blank count which tip either way! :) Turkmenistan is a surprise locale but difficult to tell from missing data fields if non-European.

Former European Colonies:
Australia: 2
Canada: 2
U.S: 301

Western Europe:
France: 2
United Kingdom: 3

South-Eastern Europe:
Greece: 1

Middle East:
Turkmenistan: 1

Mystery?
Blank: 511 :(

I wonder if Diaspora populations such as British in USA will show more blanks for Birthplace due to difficulties in tracing their ancestor's roots to point of origin pre-emigration. In my results, roughly 50% of Birthplace blanks are also blank for Name & other key data, e.g. appear to be private matches. However, a handful of these included either "Ancestry" or "Family Names" or both.

wombatofthenorth
07-16-2016, 10:48 PM
Mostly British diaspora here with possible high Colonial American heritage. Looks like these results won't challenge family lore too much except for a sizable blank count which tip either way! :) Turkmenistan is a surprise locale but difficult to tell from missing data fields if non-European.

Former European Colonies:
Australia: 2
Canada: 2
U.S: 301

Western Europe:
France: 2
United Kingdom: 3

South-Eastern Europe:
Greece: 1

Middle East:
Turkmenistan: 1

Mystery?
Blank: 511 :(

I wonder if Diaspora populations such as British in USA will show more blanks for Birthplace due to difficulties in tracing their ancestor's roots to point of origin pre-emigration. In my results, roughly 50% of Birthplace blanks are also blank for Name & other key data, e.g. appear to be private matches. However, a handful of these included either "Ancestry" or "Family Names" or both.

Wow, that's super uniform. I guess it hints at a really extreme degree of Colonial Roots and people who just plain stayed put, even your distant, distant cousins seemed to pretty much stick within the U.S./U.K.