T in Lazaridis et al First Farmers

[Saetro]

Among the Supplementary information is a table of YDNA haplogroups http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9822 including an early T
Lazaridis et al (original preprint paper and Supplementary) http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311 include one instance in the Levant - specifically Ain Ghazal (Jordan).
Sample AG83_5 (I1707) is dated to the late middle prepottery Neolithic B (late MPPNB) or around 7700-7500 BCE.
Sample was given Haplogroup T, but before T1a1 and T1a2a.

More at discussion located in Ancient at thread Lazaridis et al http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?7489-Lazaridis-et-al-The-genetic-structure-of-the-world-s-first-farmers-(pre-print)/page19 and following pages.

[Kanenas]

T1a has been found in Europe along with G2a2 in Linear Pottery Culture. G2a2 came there from Starcevo (?).

[vettor]

The negative result for this T ( i1707 ) in the levant means that the 2 x T in Karlsdorf Germany are not related in regards to migration ................these came from elsewhere

[vettor]

Haplogroup T is found among the Late MPPNB inhabitants from 'Ain Ghazal but was not found among the early and middle MPPNB populations. Is thought that the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B poplutation is mostly composed of two different populations, the Natufians which trace their origins to the Earlier Natufian and a second population coming through a northerly influx from the region of northeastern Anatolia. Natufians have been found to belong mostly to the E1b1b1b2 lineage, which is found among 60% of the whole PPNB population and 75% of the 'Ain Ghazal population, being present in all three MPPNB stages. The complete abscence of T-PF7466 among Natufians and the earlier MPPNB stages could mean that haplogroup T arrived later with the northerly influx.

As previously found in the early Neolithic settlement from Karsdorf, a mtDNA R0 descendant have been found together with Y-DNA T.
Ain Ghazal T Ghazal-I
ID I1707 AG83_5 Poz-81097
Y DNA T-PF7466 (xT1a1-FGC3945.2, T1a2a1-P322)
mtDNA R0a

[vettor]

Haplogroup T is found among the Late MPPNB inhabitants from 'Ain Ghazal but was not found among the early and middle MPPNB populations. Is thought that the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B poplutation is mostly composed of two different populations, the Natufians which trace their origins to the Earlier Natufian and a second population coming through a northerly influx from the region of northeastern Anatolia. Natufians have been found to belong mostly to the E1b1b1b2 lineage, which is found among 60% of the whole PPNB population and 75% of the 'Ain Ghazal population, being present in all three MPPNB stages. The complete abscence of T-PF7466 among Natufians and the earlier MPPNB stages could mean that haplogroup T arrived later with the northerly influx.

As previously found in the early Neolithic settlement from Karsdorf, a mtDNA R0 descendant have been found together with Y-DNA T.
Ain Ghazal T Ghazal-I
ID I1707 AG83_5 Poz-81097
Y DNA T-PF7466 (xT1a1-FGC3945.2, T1a2a1-P322)
mtDNA R0a


MC1R, rs1805009, red hair, fair skin
Levant Neolithic I1707 GG

OCA2, rs1800407, green or hazel eyes
Levant Neolithic I1707 CC

SLC24A5, rs1426654, Caucasoid light skin
Levant Neolithic I1707 GG

SLC45A2, rs16891982, Caucasoid light skin
Levant Neolithic I1707 GG

TYR, rs1042602, light skin, absence of freckles
Levant Neolithic I1707 CC


This looks like a description of What ancient Greeks referred to as a Thracian

[vettor]

the most valuable information for ydna T and others from the Laz paper would be

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v20/n3/full/ejhg2011192a.html

check the supp list .....for more information


BTW...........none of the 35 x T samples in regards to the STR come close to me

[vettor]

I ran my gedmatch number with the ancient T from the levant gedmatch ( M897077)

and got a hit only on chromosome #23


Chr 23
Match ID Type Name Matching segments on Chromosome 23 Overlap with previous match
1 V3 I0707 Anatolian EF
(M897077) 2321 - 154886292 (196.065 cM) New Root

I really do not know how good Gedmatch is

and ran it also through.......
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit M897077

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 43.76
2 Caucasian 36.7
3 Near_East 11.36
4 North_African 7.94
5 Khoisan 0.13
6 Paleo_Siberian 0.09
7 Archaic_Human 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 15.14
2 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 15.62
3 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 16.48
4 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 17.83

and mine below
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 28.49
2 Caucasian 28.43
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.13
4 South_Central_Asian 5.25
5 Near_East 4.36
6 North_African 4.33
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.04
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.98

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_North ( ) 1.32
2 German-Volga ( ) 8.12
3 South_German ( ) 8.83
4 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 9.21
5 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 9.73
6 Austrian ( ) 9.86
7 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 10.48

[AndresT]

I have made a bar chart showing the mtDNA H frequency among all tested Early Neolithic populations. I have excluded H5 results because this is found in Anatolia and is not found in Karsdorf.

Interesting findings is that Karsdorf match pretty well with Eastern Balkans while starcevo-koros and LBK from southwestern Germany match with Anatolia.

I have not included any unreliable sample and I decided count as H5 an ambiguous H vs H5 sample from Barcin. I have not included two samples from Portugal.

13546
13547

[vettor]

Originally known from haak paper ( KAR6 ) as T-CTS880 , now

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/y-snp-calls-for-i0795/

I cannot find PF5676

[vettor]

Below are all the ancient T ydna found so far at end of 2017

https://s20.postimg.org/cys72uxvx/ancient_T_to_end_of_2017.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/6xui5sb9l/)

scholars state that the Bulgarian samples have 35% WHG

[rms2]

Sorry to butt in, but a friend of mine just today got a T-M70 result from 23andMe. I will encourage him to come to Anthrogenica, but I'm not sure he will.

[vettor]

Sorry to butt in, but a friend of mine just today got a T-M70 result from 23andMe. I will encourage him to come to Anthrogenica, but I'm not sure he will.

let him know that i match with a few gaelic irish and scots who are T-M70........surnames, like, knox, hill and brennan to name 3 and a irish-hessian named reddick ( radich ) and there are british T around.
it would be interesting to do some of his admixture

[rms2]

let him know that i match with a few gaelic irish and scots who are T-M70........surnames, like, knox, hill and brennan to name 3 and a irish-hessian named reddick ( radich ) and there are british T around.
it would be interesting to do some of his admixture

He looks like a standard NW European. I don't know much about his family history.