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08-07-2012, 10:18 PM
just had a conversation and comparison with a descendent of Anna Bauman, carrier of mtdna K1b2a1. We differ at 4 positions, since I'm just K1b2a at the moment and have 3 other additional mutations at 825C, 8723A, 12188C. He has done an FMS with 35 mut to rCRS.

I don't have a FMS, but got 37 mut from a private lab and several versions at 23andme, including 3 nocalls.

I think, here could be a good place to collect all FMS or nearby results (23andme or other) downstream K1b2. For Valery K1b2 can be up to 11000 years old, K1b2a about 6000, so there is enough room for a lot of mutations.

K1b was identified in the graves of Eulau, about 4600 years old, although I don't know, how much they tested.

it would be nice to have here the various additional mutations, as far as they are not delicate in a medical sense.

I know, that 12188C is already waiting with two FMS for a further classification.

10-26-2013, 09:58 AM
I know, that 12188C is already waiting with two FMS for a further classification.

well, in the supplement files of the new Costa publication there is enough 12188C to make it indeed K1b2a3, as I hoped for more than a year. This was real avant-garde.

the visual way I collected in a new blog entry:


10-26-2013, 03:37 PM
at least we are four now!


10-28-2013, 07:13 PM
confirmation by Mannis van Oven: "K1b2a3 will be included in the next PhyloTree Build."

Build 16 coming up in november!

10-29-2013, 12:02 AM

10-29-2013, 11:43 PM
thanks! I'm fully aware, that the interest in specific haplogroups is similar to photos. Most people are only interested in their own pictures - where I am on this photo - who do I look - is it appropriate?

I'm really no exception, although I know, that no one cares about other peoples haplogroups!

01-22-2014, 09:26 AM
how many goals in football?

08-08-2021, 11:52 PM
back again.
I saw, that baltic Donkalnis 5 (K1b2 ca. 8000 ybp) has about 5 Extras, while baltic Gyvakarai 1 ( K1b2a around 4500 ybp ) has just one, which I called the Pamir motive ( because it appears in some samples of Armenia and the Pamir mountains ) and chose as a representant for it this woman of the caucasus:45970

08-15-2021, 07:53 PM
this is really a longterm thread. Meanwhile I found, that the pic above is named on YFull as K1b2a6, so I put it into K1b2a6a.

10-17-2021, 09:58 PM
40 new paintings about Magenta Marias are finished and I am proud to announce, that I can show the half in two nice, very old chapels in Köln-Niehl. The show will be opened on wed, the 20.10 at 16 pm in Old St. Katharina (Niehler Dömchen). Linked are two maps for the migrations of Haplogroup U and K1b2a with its 6 subclades. I put together all the available ancient files and as far as I could get them - the extramutations: http://zaender.com/ur/magenta/marias.htm

01-03-2022, 10:32 PM
as a genetic snapshot I collected all I could find about K1b2a here: http://zaender.com/ur/pdf's/K1b2a.pdf

05-25-2022, 07:14 PM
just to complete: the latest findings about my subgroup K1b2a3* http://zaender.com/ur/pdf's/K1b2a3*.pdf