FTDNA R1b U152 SNP Pack

[mafe]

FTDNA is now offering a U152 SNP Pack!

Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:

U152, L2, Z49, Z367, PF6610, Z192, Z36, CTS7193, A1773, A274, A517, Z43, PF6571, A275, A518, A520, BY3537, BY3539, BY3540, BY3542, BY3543, BY3546, BY3549, BY3550, BY3552, BY3627, BY3630, BY3631, BY3636, BY3637, BY3643, BY3644, BY3645, BY3646, BY3647, BY3648, BY3649, BY3651, BY3847, BY3848, BY3849, BY3850, BY3851, BY3852, BY3853, BY3854, BY3855, BY3856, BY3857, BY3858, BY3859, BY3860, BY3861, CTS2617, CTS4562, FGC30121, FGC30128, FGC30130, FGC30133, FGC30140, FGC30144, FGC5029, FGC5031, FGC5032, FGC5033, FGC5034, FGC5035, FGC5036, FGC5049, FGC5055, FGC5058, M9051, M9052, PH1525, S20550, S7793, S9788, Y16248, Y16250, Y16331, Y16333, Y16334, Y16335, Y17059, Y6354, Z10676

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:

BY3547, BY3628, BY3635, BY3639, BY3640, BY3642, BY3841, BY3842, BY3843, BY3845, CTS11993, FGC7337, PF6603, PF6604, PF6605, PF6606, PF6607, PF6608, PF6612, PF6613, PF6614, PF6618, PF6619, PF6621, Z30030, Z30031, Z30032, Z30033, Z30035, Z30034, Z30036, Z30037, Z30038, Z30040, Z30042, Z30043, Z30044, Z30045, Z30046, Z30059, Z30060

[mafe]

I am missing:

Y8424, in subclade A274/A275.

PF4363, floating SNP in the Kipling group.

[TigerMW]

I am missing:

Y8424, in subclade A274/A275.

PF4363, floating SNP in the Kipling group.

The request to add Y8424 has been put in to FTDNA and they say the will add it. Of their SNPs as listed on the Advanced Orders menu, I believe they fit into the tree like this.

U152/S28/PF6570 15333149-C-T
^ A274 21387964-C-T
^ ^ A275 13668489-T-C
^ A517 16515046-A-G
_ A518 23059272-C-A
_ BY3549 22478765-G-C
^ ^ A520 16845082-A-G
^ ^ BY3547 15797586-A-G
^ L2/S139 05755550-C-T
^ ^ Z367/S255 09810794-T-C
^ ^ Z49 28462237-G-T
^ PF6610 16504649-C-T
_ PF6613/Z30027 18081090-C-T
_ PF6603 06885889-C-T
_ PF6604 07064857-A-G
_ PF6605 07356161-G-A
_ PF6606 08890313-G-A
_ PF6607 14209634-C-A
_ PF6608 15635768-T-A
_ PF6612 16796415-G-T
_ PF6614 19154003-T-C
_ PF6618 21862382-T-C
_ PF6619 22028629-G-A
_ PF6621 22723087-C-A
^ ^ ^ FGC5033 08304660-A-G
_ _ _ FGC5034 08903434-G-T
_ _ _ FGC5049 17312048-T-C
_ _ _ FGC5055 18868981-C-A
_ _ _ FGC5058 21303746-A-G
^ ^ ^ ^ FGC5029 06789627-G-A
_ _ _ _ FGC5031 07840662-G-A
_ _ _ _ FGC5032 08010651-T-C
_ _ _ _ FGC5035 09845828-C-T
_ _ _ _ FGC5036 09845991-G-A
^ ^ ^ BY3642 14109630-C-A
^ ^ ^ ^ BY3627 06995659-G-A
_ _ _ _ BY3646 15534652-G-C
_ _ _ _ BY3851 16229553-T-C
_ _ _ _ BY3855 17195174-T-C
_ _ _ _ BY3856 17197785-A-G
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ BY3631 07745566-G-A
^ ^ BY3639 13407674-G-A
_ _ BY3640 13451088-T-C
_ _ BY3841 06475965-G-C
_ _ BY3845 13464430-G-A
^ ^ CTS2617 14392649-A-T
_ _ CTS4562 15714986-C-A
_ _ Y16333 23580754-A-G
_ _ Y16335 18414951-G-C
^ ^ ^ CTS11993 23407934-C-G
_ _ _ Z30042 17455859-C-G
^ ^ ^ ^ Z30043 21780808-T-C
_ _ _ _ Z30044 14866064-A-G
_ _ _ _ Z30045 14230734-G-T
_ _ _ _ Z30046 18092748-C-T
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Z30059 28805505-T-C
_ _ _ _ _ BY3843 08857603-G-A
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Z30060 14621244-A-G
_ _ _ _ _ FGC7337 19539530-C-T
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ BY3635 08228295-A-G
_ _ _ _ _ BY3628 07621770-C-T
^ ^ ^ PH1525 14928150-G-A
_ _ _ Y16248 08681571-C-T
_ _ _ Y16250 17579504-T-C
_ _ _ Y16331 18984799-G-T
_ _ _ Y16334 15207741-A-G
^ ^ CTS7193 17341572-G-C
_ _ BY3636 09109179-C-T
_ _ BY3647 17508167-A-G
_ _ BY3649 19452640-A-G
_ _ BY3860 23588915-C-G
^ ^ S20550 18051007-T-C
_ _ FGC30121 07009462-G-C
_ _ FGC30128 14215540-C-T
_ _ FGC30130 16614379-T-C
_ _ FGC30133 18897738-G-A
_ _ FGC30140 22654657-C-A
_ _ FGC30144 23462712-G-A
^ ^ ^ Y6354 22040235-A-C
_ _ _ BY3643 14187735-G-T
_ _ _ BY3847 15483200-A-T
_ _ _ BY3848 15485183-G-A
_ _ _ BY3854 17040496-T-C
^ ^ ^ ^ Z10676 15706746-C-T
_ _ _ _ BY3644/A9024 14698033-A-G
^ ^ S7793 15936087-G-A
_ _ S9788 07065025-C-T
_ _ BY3630 07694785-C-T
_ _ BY3637 09136208-T-C
_ _ BY3645 15479792-G-C
_ _ BY3648 17781314-T-C
_ _ BY3651 21177224-T-C
^ ^ Z192/PF6660 28688760-T-C
^ ^ Z30030 23119461-G-A
_ _ Z30031 15693854-A-G
_ _ Z30032 07230050-C-T
_ _ Z30033 14187409-G-C
_ _ Z30034 07316546-G-A
_ _ Z30035 22869471-A-G
_ _ Z30036 21190119-T-C
^ ^ ^ Z30037 19104372-G-A
_ _ _ Z30038 14095950-A-C
_ _ _ Z30040 23057151-T-C
_ _ _ BY3842 08246899-G-A
^ Z36/S206 04961118-A-G
^ Z43/S366 08902876-G-A
_ PF6571/Z42/S209 04547197-C-A
^ BY3849 15500358-T-C
_ BY3543 08968256-G-A
_ BY3852 16347817-T-A
_ BY3853 17005725-C-T
_ BY3858 22704962-T-G
^ ^ A1773 07672136-C-T
_ _ M9051 09146920-T-C
_ _ M9052 09146921-G-C
_ _ BY3850 15812022-A-T
_ _ BY3857 17289240-A-T
_ _ BY3859 23119144-A-G
_ _ BY3861 23859605-C-T
^ BY3550 23505791-C-T
^ ^ BY3552 07162203-A-C
_ _ BY3537 07681745-C-G
_ _ Y17059 07925644-A-G
_ _ BY3539 08035841-A-C
_ _ BY3540 08170477-G-A
_ _ BY3542 08543676-C-G
_ _ BY3546 14710274-G-T

Keep in mind this is better described as the R1b-U152 top-layer and misc. subclades SNP Pack.

The L2 subclades have their own packs as does Z43 (& Z56), and apparently Z36 and Z192 (will). If you are R-U152 and that's all you know, this pack works well as there are bridge pointers to these other SNP Packs as well as thorough testing of the "misc." or other subclades.

[mafe]

Thanks Mikewww. I've ordered the U152 Pack for one of my close matches.

[Jean-Pierre]

Are PF6610 et al a subclade of L2, or a sisterclade of L2 ?

[Solothurn]

Is PF4363 in yseq's U152 pack? I looked but couldn't find it, unless it has another name :(

[Ravai]

I'm missing my line:


R1b-U152>L2>
BY3485
BY14171
BY3478
BY3481
BY14173

Regards

[dp]

I'm missing my line:


R1b-U152>L2>
BY3485
BY14171
BY3478
BY3481
BY14173

Regards
check out the R1b - L2 SNP Pack
Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
U152, L2, Z49, Z367, L196, PF7610, CTS10009, CTS3080, CTS5689, A6454, BY2823, DF110, FGC10516, FGC22501, FGC5301, FGC5344, L408, PF6658, S1567, DF103, FGC14641, L199, FGC22538, FGC22516, FGC22528, FGC22533, FGC22500, FGC22503, FGC22512, FGC22513, A1704, A1706, A1717, A1722, A6455, BY1020, BY1145, BY2381, BY2825, BY2826, BY3477, BY3478, BY3479, BY3480, BY3481, BY3482, BY3483, BY3484, BY3485, BY3486, BY3489, BY3490, BY3491, BY3492, BY3493, BY3497, BY3498, BY3501, BY3503, BY3504, BY3505, BY3506, BY3507, BY3508, BY3509, BY3510, BY3512, BY3513, BY3514, BY771, BY806, BY831, FGC10525, FGC10536, FGC10543, FGC13617, FGC29428, FGC29470, FGC32882, FGC36273, FGC4166, FGC4177, FGC4183, FGC4193, FGC4213, FGC5303, FGC5306, FGC5308, FGC8154, FGC8158, FGC8178, L409, PF7609, PH3790, PR5365, S1555, S1561, S1566, S1569, S1570, S1573, S18462, Y11667, Y11931, Y11932, Y11933, Y3960, Y3961, Y3964, Y6763, ZZ48_1, ZZ48_2

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
BY2895, FGC13620, FGC5345, FGC5356, BY2824, BY3487, BY3496, BY3499, BY3500, BY3502, BY3511, FGC13621, FGC13623, FGC4220, PF7599, PF7603, PF7604, PF7605, Y11232, Z7054

would suggest asking for the two BY14xxx to be added to the L2 pack. then you'd have a pack that targets your line.
dp :-)

[Solothurn]

I asked Yseq about PF4363 inclusion on the U152 pack

"PF4363 is not in our R1b-U152 panel because it's in a region that's 98.5% identical to the X chromosome. According to the ISOGG tree PF4363 is supposed to be phylo-equivalent to CTS7193.2, which we have available: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php? products_id=2873 However this SNP was also observed in haplogroup J2, so it may-or may not be reliable. The region around PF4363 and the sequencing traces look clean and reliable though."

I have emailed Yseq and asked "So what is the best way to include an snp around PF4363 on the pack or is this not possible?"



Is PF4363 in yseq's U152 pack? I looked but couldn't find it, unless it has another name :(

[mafe]

I asked Yseq about PF4363 inclusion on the U152 pack

"PF4363 is not in our R1b-U152 panel because it's in a region that's 98.5% identical to the X chromosome. According to the ISOGG tree PF4363 is supposed to be phylo-equivalent to CTS7193.2, which we have available: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php? products_id=2873 However this SNP was also observed in haplogroup J2, so it may-or may not be reliable. The region around PF4363 and the sequencing traces look clean and reliable though."

I have emailed Yseq and asked "So what is the best way to include an snp around PF4363 on the pack or is this not possible?"

If I am not mistaken this is a Kipling / Clarkson SNP found in a WTY-test, so this could be a private / family SNP.

[Solothurn]

Do you know what is 'upstream' of it?


If I am not mistaken this is a Kipling / Clarkson SNP found in a WTY-test, so this could be a private / family SNP.

[mafe]

Do you know what is 'upstream' of it?

As far as I know there are no Big-Y results in this group. Richard Clarkson used to be in contact with the U152 Facebook group, I remember he wasn't happy with the guys at Semargl posting FTDNA results on their website. I think he may have removed his results from the U152 project.

[Solothurn]

Thanks mafe

I sent this to Yseq:

Hi Thomas

I have since heard PF4363 could well be private/family :(

Here are deep results, but being honest I do not know what falls between U152 and PF4363 !!

CTS10168+, CTS10362+, CTS10834+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1996+, CTS2134+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3135+, CTS3331+, CTS3358+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4244+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5884+, CTS6135+, CTS623+, CTS6383+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8243+, CTS8728+, CTS8980+, CTS9828+, F1046+, F115+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F1794+, F180+, F2048+, F2075+, F211+, F2142+, F2155+, F2302+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F29+, F295+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F344+, F3556+, F356+, F359+, F3692+, F378+, F4+, F47+, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F93+, L11+, L132+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L388+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L471+, L478+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L585+, L721+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L774+, L779+, L82+, M139+, M168+, M207+, M235+, M294+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, P297+, P310+, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF4363+, PF500+, PF5465+, PF5466+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6063+, PF6091+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6404+, PF6409+, PF6411+, PF6424+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6464+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6477+, PF6479+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6520+, PF6524+, PF667+, PF719+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, s10+, s3+, U152+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000067+, YSC0000072+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000166+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000194+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000203+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000213+, YSC0000219+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000294+, M269+, P312+, U152+, Z36-, U106-, M65-, L1-, L2-, L20-, L21-, L4-, M126-, M153-, M160-




As far as I know there are no Big-Y results in this group. Richard Clarkson used to be in contact with the U152 Facebook group, I remember he wasn't happy with the guys at Semargl posting FTDNA results on their website. I think he may have removed his results from the U152 project.