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johen
06-28-2016, 02:27 PM
Did their ancestors go to Karelia 5,000bc or yamna(Samara)? Or the opposite?


Another half of the Saami paternal lineages have primarily mutations M170,SRY-1532, or M173 (Semino et al. 2000; Raitio et al. 2001; Wells et al. 2001). Accordingly, they are identified as haplogroups I, R1a, and R1b (YCC 2002).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181943/

Khnaty and Mansi have the same ones:
https://s31.postimg.org/42akxaobv/image.png

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2008101a.html

Is sami related to the highest component of yamna in Norway?
http://i.imgur.com/4j44Cfz.png
https://genetics.med.harvard.edu/rei...wScientist.pdf

Observer
06-28-2016, 02:58 PM
Higher Yamna or EHG/ANE in Baltics/Scandinavian is because they already had some minor ANE/EHG before the arrival of Yamnaya folks, which likely came with Uralic migrations.

We know that Scandinavian forgers of Pitted Ware Culture had some ANE. Analysis of Mesolithic Swedish forager StoraFörvar11 (http://eurogenes.blogspot.in/2014/07/analysis-of-mesolithic-swedish-forager.html): around 80% Western European Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) and around 20% ANE.

Additional ANE/EHG input came from Yamna migrations.

IMO, ANE seems to be ancestral to population that have origins in Siberia and Eurasian steppes.

johen
06-28-2016, 03:51 PM
Higher Yamna or EHG/ANE in Baltics/Scandinavian is because they already had some minor ANE/EHG before the arrival of Yamnaya folks, which likely came with Uralic migrations.

We know that Scandinavian forgers of Pitted Ware Culture had some ANE. Analysis of Mesolithic Swedish forager StoraFörvar11 (http://eurogenes.blogspot.in/2014/07/analysis-of-mesolithic-swedish-forager.html): around 80% Western European Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) and around 20% ANE.

Additional ANE/EHG input came from Yamna migrations.

IMO, ANE seems to be ancestral to population that have origins in Siberia and Eurasian steppes.

Of course, ANE was the source of R population in Eurasia. However, so many people are looking for the source of R1a in Karelia and R1b of yamna.
I think the sami R1a/R1b ancestors around 5,000BC or 3,500BC would be the direct source of EHG and yamna. That is why I am asking.

wombatofthenorth
07-01-2016, 01:53 AM
Did their ancestors go to Karelia 5,000bc or yamna(Samara)? Or the opposite?



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181943/

Khnaty and Mansi have the same ones:
https://s31.postimg.org/42akxaobv/image.png

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2008101a.html

Is sami related to the highest component of yamna in Norway?
http://i.imgur.com/4j44Cfz.png
https://genetics.med.harvard.edu/rei...wScientist.pdf

It's interesting that the Basque I guess were one of the few hunger-gatherer groups to totally fight off the Indoeuropean/Steppe Horsemen who brought in PIE languages but seemingly later didn't fight off the farmers and ended up with a ton of Neolithic farmer.

wombatofthenorth
07-01-2016, 02:08 AM
Of course, ANE was the source of R population in Eurasia. However, so many people are looking for the source of R1a in Karelia and R1b of yamna.
I think the sami R1a/R1b ancestors around 5,000BC or 3,500BC would be the direct source of EHG and yamna. That is why I am asking.

I thought the Saami were actually relatively recent arrivals (unless I'm getting it confused that some of of their haplogroups, such as some of the V for mtDNA are relatively recent arrivals).

Calamus
07-01-2016, 03:05 PM
Did their ancestors go to Karelia 5,000bc or yamna(Samara)? Or the opposite?



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181943/

Khnaty and Mansi have the same ones:
https://s31.postimg.org/42akxaobv/image.png

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2008101a.html

The Sami has been around for a long time in Northern Scandinavia. It is not clear from where they came, but Karelians seems to be their closest relatives. This could indicate a movement from Karelia to their present location.


Is sami related to the highest component of yamna in Norway?
http://i.imgur.com/4j44Cfz.png
https://genetics.med.harvard.edu/rei...wScientist.pdf

The high Yamnaya in Norwegians appears to be unrelated to the Sami.

johen
07-01-2016, 07:10 PM
Is the last year research explaining Sami R also?

http://s24.postimg.org/gxu6b629h/Untitled.jpg

And also R1b of sami, and mansi looks like the same as American Indian, which was closely related with yamna. Right?

I think old sami and masi might be american Indian considering their tents.

sami
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Saami_Family_1900.jpg

mansi
https://heyfrederick.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/0223-990x659.jpg

ANE ADMIXTURE
https://s31.postimg.org/p4ca0kba3/ANE.png