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SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
06-28-2016, 10:45 PM
This thread is dedicated to those of SubSaharan African decent just to see the similarities and differences within different ancestry tests and to discuss any matters and mysteries of ancestries:biggrin1:.

My results

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SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
06-28-2016, 10:53 PM
More of my results

Harappa world
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Global22 PuntDNAland results
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Awale
07-05-2016, 10:06 PM
Here you go:


23andme:



http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/23andme_zps84uoo8hz.png


Wegene:


http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/Wegene_zpsb25e1n99.png



DNA.Land:


http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/DNA.LAND_zpstypucrcv.png

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-05-2016, 10:55 PM
Here you go:


23andme:



http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/23andme_zps84uoo8hz.png


Wegene:


http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/Wegene_zpsb25e1n99.png



DNA.Land:


http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/DNA.LAND_zpstypucrcv.png


I've seen some results of Somalians from what I remember 93~98% East African with some North African seems to be the average? Although, you scored less SSA do you have any known Ethiopian or Arab recent ancestry?

drobbah
07-05-2016, 11:53 PM
I've seen some results of Somalians from what I remember 93~98% East African with some North African seems to be the average? Although, you scored less SSA do you have any known Ethiopian or Arab recent ancestry?

Yes that's true.On 23andme I score 98% East African but my results in DNALand and wegenes are almost exactly the same as Awale

Awale
07-06-2016, 12:06 AM
I've seen some results of Somalians from what I remember 93~98% East African with some North African seems to be the average? Although, you scored less SSA do you have any known Ethiopian or Arab recent ancestry?

Yes, most Somalis turn up as 98-99% "East African". I have no idea what caused my odd results there but I'm very typical among Somalis in terms of my ADMIXTURE results and even my clustering on global and more regional PCAs whilst having no known "Arab" or non-Somali Ethiopian ancestry (plus, my Haplogroups are pretty typical):

Global PCA (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2ARnUeK-Y8WejZ1c3ZZZUE4YWs/view?usp=sharing) & An intra-East African PCA (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2ARnUeK-Y8WSDh3VGR5WGtIYXM/view?usp=sharing)

So it's seemingly nothing...

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-06-2016, 12:08 AM
Yes that's true.On 23andme I score 98% East African but my results in DNALand and wegenes are almost exactly the same as Awale

Yours and Awales 23andme results differ from both your
Wegene and DNAland results is this because Wegene and DNALAND go back much more futher in time?

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-06-2016, 12:27 AM
I also forgot to point out that two of my GGG grandfathers were Middle Eastern from what my grandfather's told me so the 6% Middle Eastern percentage aint a shocker. My grandmother thought she had European In her because her dad looked mixed apparently she has a picture of him i havent seen tho. I also started a thread regarding how common lose tight hair, light brown skin and blue eyes were in Central Kenya just to see if there was a possibility. Then again the DNA tests I've taken have me as little to no European in my admixture.

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:
puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Kit M707191

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 83.47
2 South_African_HG 5.31
3 Near_East 4.46
4 Anatolian_NF 3.9
5 Beringian 1.01
6 Oceanian 0.76
7 South_Asian 0.58
8 Amerindian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 NE_Bantu 6.01
2 African_American 13.1
3 Mandinka 13.29
4 Esan 13.88
5 Bambaran 15.09
6 Yoruba 17.59
7 Maasai 24.91
8 Somali 46.12
9 Oromo 49.1
10 Ethiopian 55.5
11 Somali_Benadiri 60.05
12 Algerian 78.02
13 Saharawi 78.11
14 Tunisian 80.62
15 Mozabite_Berber 80.66
16 Yemeni 80.7
17 Egyptian 87.06
18 BedouinA 90.45
19 Jordanian 93.09
20 Lebanese 94.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% NE_Bantu + 6.7% Algerian @ 2.1
2 93.5% NE_Bantu + 6.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.14
3 93.3% NE_Bantu + 6.7% Saharawi @ 2.24
4 93.5% NE_Bantu + 6.5% Tunisian @ 2.27
5 94.5% NE_Bantu + 5.5% Libyan_Jew @ 2.37
6 94.7% NE_Bantu + 5.3% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.38
7 95.2% NE_Bantu + 4.8% Sardinian @ 2.4
8 94.8% NE_Bantu + 5.2% Turkish_Jew @ 2.41
9 94.6% NE_Bantu + 5.4% Moroccan_Jew @ 2.41
10 89.9% NE_Bantu + 10.1% Oromo @ 2.46
11 89.4% NE_Bantu + 10.6% Somali @ 2.48
12 91% NE_Bantu + 9% Ethiopian @ 2.5
13 94.6% NE_Bantu + 5.4% Spanish_Canaries @ 2.5
14 94.7% NE_Bantu + 5.3% Sicilian_West @ 2.56
15 94.1% NE_Bantu + 5.9% Egyptian @ 2.57
16 94.9% NE_Bantu + 5.1% Spanish_Southwest @ 2.59
17 94.8% NE_Bantu + 5.2% Sicilian_East @ 2.61
18 94.9% NE_Bantu + 5.1% Tuscan @ 2.67
19 94.9% NE_Bantu + 5.1% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.69
20 94.4% NE_Bantu + 5.6% BedouinA

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-06-2016, 12:39 AM
My mum's DNA results

Here are my mum's results

Her kit numbers M024072 mines M707191

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:
puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Kit M024072

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 83.34
2 South_African_HG 5.28
3 Anatolian_NF 4.84
4 Near_East 4.03
5 South_Asian 1.12
6 Oceanian 0.74
7 Beringian 0.43
8 Amerindian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 NE_Bantu 6.43
2 African_American 12.75
3 Mandinka 13.51
4 Esan 14.16
5 Bambaran 15.34
6 Yoruba 17.81
7 Maasai 24.83
8 Somali 45.92
9 Oromo 48.89
10 Ethiopian 55.28
11 Somali_Benadiri 59.77
12 Algerian 77.62
13 Saharawi 77.74
14 Tunisian 80.21
15 Mozabite_Berber 80.24
16 Yemeni 80.52
17 Egyptian 86.78
18 BedouinA 90.17
19 Jordanian 92.81
20 Lebanese 93.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.6% NE_Bantu + 5.4% Sardinian @ 2.03
2 93% NE_Bantu + 7% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.19
3 92.8% NE_Bantu + 7.2% Algerian @ 2.21
4 93.1% NE_Bantu + 6.9% Tunisian @ 2.35
5 92.9% NE_Bantu + 7.1% Saharawi @ 2.42
6 94.2% NE_Bantu + 5.8% Spanish_Canaries @ 2.43
7 94.4% NE_Bantu + 5.6% Turkish_Jew @ 2.48
8 94.2% NE_Bantu + 5.8% Libyan_Jew @ 2.49
9 94.2% NE_Bantu + 5.8% Moroccan_Jew @ 2.5
10 94.3% NE_Bantu + 5.7% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.51
11 94.8% NE_Bantu + 5.2% Basque_Spaniard @ 2.59
12 94.4% NE_Bantu + 5.6% Spanish_Southwest @ 2.6
13 94.7% NE_Bantu + 5.3% French_South @ 2.6
14 94.3% NE_Bantu + 5.7% Sicilian_West @ 2.67
15 94.6% NE_Bantu + 5.4% Spanish_Northeast @ 2.68
16 94.6% NE_Bantu + 5.4% Italian_Bergamo @ 2.69
17 94.4% NE_Bantu + 5.6% Sicilian_East @ 2.73
18 94.5% NE_Bantu + 5.5% Tuscan @ 2.73
19 94.5% NE_Bantu + 5.5% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.82
20 94.5% NE_Bantu + 5.5% Greek @

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Deftextra
07-06-2016, 01:24 AM
Yours and Awales 23andme results differ from both your
Wegene and DNAland results is this because Wegene and DNALAND go back much more futher in time?

In a sense yes, because from how I understand it is that 23andMe uses actual Somalis as a reference for the east-african component. Company's such as WE-Gene and DNA-land, does not have references which fits Somali's exactly, so they score components with populations which they share ancient ancestry with.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-06-2016, 02:35 AM
In a sense yes, because from how I understand it is that 23andMe uses actual Somalis as a reference for the east-african component. Company's such as WE-Gene and DNA-land, does not have references which fits Somali's exactly, so they score components with populations which they share ancient ancestry with.

I perfectly understood what you said

Angoliga
07-06-2016, 04:48 AM
Neat thread Swahili_Prince!!

If you haven't checked it out yet, I'd highly recommend Felipe's site "Tracing African Roots" (https://tracingafricanroots.wordpress.com/)
It compares the ancestral results from different companies of Diasporans and Africans of different nationalities -- Felipe also elaborates on some of the "discrepancies" found in admix clusters and populations.

My results:


dna.land


http://i.imgur.com/25LpahZ.png?1



FTDNA

http://i.imgur.com/3ZPswlT.jpg






ancestry.com


http://i.imgur.com/YT2kFJ6.png?1






23andMe


http://i.imgur.com/fjuDmUn.png?1






puntDNAL K8 African only (GEDMatch)
http://i.imgur.com/uZq2wvx.png?1

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-06-2016, 02:26 PM
Neat thread Swahili_Prince!!

If you haven't checked it out yet, I'd highly recommend Felipe's site Tracing African Roots (https://tracingafricanroots.wordpress.com/)
It compares the ancestral results from different companies of Diasporans and Africans of different nationalities -- Felipe also elaborates on some of the "discrepancies" found in admix clusters and populations.

My results:


dna.land


http://i.imgur.com/25LpahZ.png?1






ancestry.com


http://i.imgur.com/YT2kFJ6.png?1






23andMe


http://i.imgur.com/fjuDmUn.png?1






puntDNAL K8 African only (GEDMatch)
http://i.imgur.com/uZq2wvx.png?1


Thanks for sharing the link NiloSaharan! A few results interested me, I'm gonna focus and concentrate more on the results of East Africans for now.

Two Kikuyus I'm sharing with on 23andme. I didn't know the Masai blood amongst Central and Western Kenya is a major admix component. 60-75% East African? could it be a constant ancient admixture between the Masai and Bantu which has been maintained over time? I myself score almost 1/4 East African with no known Masai ancestor in my bloodline. One of my Kikuyu grandmothers does get confused for being Somalian I gueas thats where the majority of my East African genes come from.

Another thing I've observed is the low Central African genes amongst them I guess thats accurate IMO
because the South/Central HG were not really Nomads

Why are they scoring tiny bits of European, EA/NA and ME/NA could it be from the interaction from the outside world or just the Cushitic admix?

Here are the two Kikuyus..

10215

10214

Angoliga
07-06-2016, 07:56 PM
If you're of predominant SSA ancestry, I wouldn't give much of these DNA companies any merit when it comes to ancestral admixture (especially if you're of NS or East-African ancestry) -- we're a minority within a minority. Unfortunately we're not big enough a market for DNA vendors to focus on meaningful clusters for our region. The same holds true for other groups like Native Americans and many other Asian customers.

Some of the funniest examples of blatant over-simplification are Ancestry.com's branding of Southeastern Bantu for 1/3 of the continent :doh:
I'm stated as 98% Southeastern Bantu without any regard of my Pygmy, Nilotic and EHG (*however small albeit) affinity which are found in other more comprehensive admix calcs.

23andMe has a cluster for Sardinians yet has the audacity to brush 100's of millions of East-Africans in one cluster :crazy:

For more meaningful labels of African clusters, I'd refer to genealogists who specialize on African populations -- Tishkoff's (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947357/) papers are great examples!

Here's an extract from the paper stating a K=14 Structure -- I'd rely more on these clusters than most DNA companies -- vendors that don't have similar breakdowns for SSA customers should be dismissed if you're trying to find any meaningful breakdowns of your SSA ancestry:


http://i.imgur.com/kIUYSV0.png?1


Here's another extract with a geographic overlay along with some populations (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/tileshop_pmc_inline.html?title=Click%20on%20image% 20to%20zoom&p=PMC3&id=2947357_nihms-231118-f0005.jpg)




... I didn't know the Masai blood amongst Central and Western Kenya is a major admix component. 60-75% East African? could it be a constant ancient admixture between the Masai and Bantu which has been maintained over time? I myself score almost 1/4 East African with no known Masai ancestor in my bloodline. One of my Kikuyu grandmothers does get confused for being Somalian I gueas thats where the majority of my East African genes come from.

Another thing I've observed is the low Central African genes amongst them I guess thats accurate IMO
because the South/Central HG were not really Nomads

Why are they scoring tiny bits of European, EA/NA and ME/NA could it be from the interaction from the outside world or just the Cushitic admix?

Here are the two Kikuyus..

10215

10214

By "Central" are your referring to (Nilo-Saharan)? or Cushitic\NS with "Massai blood"? -- the clusters mentioned in the paper should help clarify the clusters you're referring to. *The last image has a breakdown of different Kenyan's AAC. The labels of ethnicities\tribes don't hold much bearing when we're referring to ancient ancestral clusters -- so there's no such thing as "Masai\East-African genes\components". It'd be better to refrain from using these terms in place of labels such as Cushitic, Nilo-Saharan, Chadic etc. *There are a few exceptions of singular tribes with their own clusters; the tishkoff paper has the Fulani form their own.

Try not to get too boggled-up with 23andMe's SSA clusters, they've done a very poor job in regards to clustering\referencing native SSA populations -- ex. I score in the mid-high 9% for Pygmy on puntDNAL and DNA.land but score 3.4% on 23andMe's Central African cluster despite them stating this grouping has Biaka and Mbuti Pygmy samples among other HGs which I still didn't score for on their admix calc.

For someone from Central-Eastern Africa, puntDNAL's Africa only calc has been the most meaningful as of yet.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-06-2016, 10:31 PM
If you're of predominant SSA ancestry, I wouldn't give much of these DNA companies any merit when it comes to ancestral admixture (especially if you're of NS or East-African ancestry) -- we're a minority within a minority. Unfortunately we're not big enough a market for DNA vendors to focus on meaningful clusters for our region. The same holds true for other groups like Native Americans and many other Asian customers.

Some of the funniest examples of blatant over-simplification are Ancestry.com's branding of Southeastern Bantu for 1/3 of the continent :doh:
I'm stated as 98% Southeastern Bantu without any regard of my Pygmy, Nilotic and EHG (*however small albeit) affinity which are found in other more comprehensive admix calcs.

23andMe has a cluster for Sardinians yet has the audacity to brush 100's of millions of East-Africans in one cluster :crazy:

For more meaningful labels of African clusters, I'd refer to genealogists who specialize on African populations -- Tishkoff's (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947357/) papers are great examples!

Here's an extract from the paper stating a K=14 Structure -- I'd rely more on these clusters than most DNA companies -- vendors that don't have similar breakdowns for SSA customers should be dismissed if you're trying to find any meaningful breakdowns of your SSA ancestry:


http://i.imgur.com/kIUYSV0.png?1


Here's another extract with a geographic overlay along with some populations:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/tileshop_pmc_inline.html?title=Click%20on%20image% 20to%20zoom&p=PMC3&id=2947357_nihms-231118-f0005.jpg



By "Central" are your referring to (Nilo-Saharan)? or Cushitic\NS with "Massai blood"? -- the clusters mentioned in the paper should help clarify the clusters you're referring to. *The last image has a breakdown of different Kenyan's AAC. The labels of ethnicities\tribes don't hold much bearing when we're referring to ancient ancestral clusters -- so there's no such thing as "Masai\East-African genes\components". It'd be better to refrain from using these terms in place of labels such Cushitic\Nilo-Saharan etc.

Try not to get too boggled-up with 23andMe's SSA clusters, they've done a very poor job in regards to clustering\referencing native SSA populations -- ex. I score in the mid-high 9% for Pygmy on puntDNAL and DNA.land but score 3.4% on 23andMe's Central African cluster despite them stating this grouping has Biaka and Mbuti Pygmy samples among other HGs which I still didn't score for on their admix calc.

For someone from Central-Eastern Africa, puntDNAL's Africa only calc has been the most meaningful as of yet.

My results again, I didn't properly attach the image links before:


dna.land


http://i.imgur.com/25LpahZ.png?1






Ancestry.com


http://i.imgur.com/YT2kFJ6.png?1






23andMe


http://i.imgur.com/fjuDmUn.png?1






puntDNAL K8 African only (GEDMatch)
http://i.imgur.com/uZq2wvx.png?1
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Ye it sucks that were unrepresented in the DNA market i heard about the African ancestry project like 1 year ago since then I haven't heard anything:(

I agree that shading and representing 1/3 of the African continent as South Eastern Bantu is totally off. When they mean South Eastern Bantu I think they actually mean Bantu not South Eastern it's almost as if they think the two things mean the same. There should be West Eastern and Southen Bantu hope Ancestry makes them improvements in the future:amen:

Your results seem accurate and awesome to me :) they're not alot different from one test to another they seem to have placed you with the right populations? It's the total opposite to my results however.

Angoliga
07-07-2016, 02:07 AM
Your results seem accurate and awesome to me :) they're not alot different from one test to another they seem to have placed you with the right populations?

Please indulge me on how they seem accurate? I wish that were true but it's actually the opposite. If you look at each company's results, they all show different, sometimes starkly opposed percentages for my AAC clusters. I've stated some of the discrepancies in my previous post.


Again, the most accurate calc' for me is puntDNAL K8; it uses meaningful clusters which bare similarity to those mentioned in the Tishkoff paper -- that might be why the closest estimated oracle population is the Bulala_Chad (another fellow Central-Sudanic Nilo-Saharan speaker) followed by the Alur_Uganda (former CS speakers) -- are these the "right populations" you're refereeing to?

Why are you consistently shocked by your oracle estimates for population?

tmd
07-07-2016, 03:23 AM
Geno next generation:10219

Ftdna myorigins: 10220

Dna.Land: 10221

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-07-2016, 08:03 PM
Whose gotten their Near East Neolithic K13 Oracle results:

here are my results

# Population Percent
1 SUB_SAHARAN 86.25
2 NATUFIAN 9.99
3 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.36
4 EHG 1.35
5 KARITIANA 0.56
6 CHG_EEF 0.48
7 SE_ASIAN 0.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Hadza + 45.1% Gambian @ 1.47
2 60.9% Hadza + 39.1% Yoruba @ 1.71
3 60.9% Hadza + 39.1% Esan @ 1.71
4 64.9% Gambian + 35.1% Masai @ 1.84
5 78.8% Gambian + 21.2% Somali @ 1.96
6 59.2% Yoruba + 40.8% Masai @ 2.33
7 59.2% Esan + 40.8% Masai @ 2.33
8 90.2% Gambian + 9.8% Natufian @ 2.46
9 74.5% Esan + 25.5% Somali @ 2.56
10 74.5% Yoruba + 25.5% Somali @ 2.56
11 64% Mota + 36% Gambian @ 2.87
12 69.7% Mota + 30.3% Yoruba @ 3.06
13 69.7% Mota + 30.3% Esan @ 3.06
14 87.9% Yoruba + 12.1% Natufian @ 3.31
15 87.9% Esan + 12.1% Natufian @ 3.31
16 81.8% Esan + 18.2% Saharawi @ 4.45
17 81.8% Yoruba + 18.2% Saharawi @ 4.45
18 85.4% Gambian + 14.6% Saharawi @ 4.53
19 89% Gambian + 11% Levant_BA @ 4.74
20 88.4% Gambian + 11.6% Saudi @ 4.82

tmd
07-07-2016, 11:44 PM
Interesting

1 SUB_SAHARAN 75.62
2 NATUFIAN 10.56
3 CHG_EEF 5.2
4 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 5.12
5 SHG_WHG 1.69
6 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.12
7 KARITIANA 0.67

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Mota 10.04
2 Hadza 10.28
3 Masai 19.68
4 Gambian 25.49
5 Esan 29.52
6 Yoruba 29.52
7 Somali 43.83
8 Moroccan 63.73
9 Saharawi 66.46
10 Algerian 67.27
11 Yemeni 74.43
12 Libyan 74.45
13 Egyptian 75.92
14 BedouinA 81.04
15 Jordanian 83.23
16 Syrian 84.5
17 Palestinian 84.78
18 Jew_Libyan 85.53
19 Lebanese 85.84
20 Jew_Tunisian 86.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.5% Gambian + 28.5% Moroccan @ 1.76
2 68.4% Yoruba + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
3 68.4% Esan + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
4 72.6% Gambian + 27.4% Algerian @ 1.89
5 69.5% Esan + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
6 69.5% Yoruba + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
7 72.4% Gambian + 27.6% Saharawi @ 2.56
8 69.3% Yoruba + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
9 69.3% Esan + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
10 74.7% Gambian + 25.3% Libyan @ 3.79
11 71.8% Esan + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
12 71.8% Yoruba + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
13 77.3% Gambian + 22.7% Jew_Libyan @ 4.5
14 75.1% Gambian + 24.9% Egyptian @ 4.55
15 77.6% Gambian + 22.4% Jew_Tunisian @ 4.79
16 72.2% Esan + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
17 72.2% Yoruba + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
18 74.6% Esan + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
19 74.6% Yoruba + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
20 76.4% Gambian + 23.6% BedouinA @ 5.3

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-08-2016, 12:01 AM
Interesting

1 SUB_SAHARAN 75.62
2 NATUFIAN 10.56
3 CHG_EEF 5.2
4 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 5.12
5 SHG_WHG 1.69
6 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.12
7 KARITIANA 0.67

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Mota 10.04
2 Hadza 10.28
3 Masai 19.68
4 Gambian 25.49
5 Esan 29.52
6 Yoruba 29.52
7 Somali 43.83
8 Moroccan 63.73
9 Saharawi 66.46
10 Algerian 67.27
11 Yemeni 74.43
12 Libyan 74.45
13 Egyptian 75.92
14 BedouinA 81.04
15 Jordanian 83.23
16 Syrian 84.5
17 Palestinian 84.78
18 Jew_Libyan 85.53
19 Lebanese 85.84
20 Jew_Tunisian 86.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.5% Gambian + 28.5% Moroccan @ 1.76
2 68.4% Yoruba + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
3 68.4% Esan + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
4 72.6% Gambian + 27.4% Algerian @ 1.89
5 69.5% Esan + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
6 69.5% Yoruba + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
7 72.4% Gambian + 27.6% Saharawi @ 2.56
8 69.3% Yoruba + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
9 69.3% Esan + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
10 74.7% Gambian + 25.3% Libyan @ 3.79
11 71.8% Esan + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
12 71.8% Yoruba + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
13 77.3% Gambian + 22.7% Jew_Libyan @ 4.5
14 75.1% Gambian + 24.9% Egyptian @ 4.55
15 77.6% Gambian + 22.4% Jew_Tunisian @ 4.79
16 72.2% Esan + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
17 72.2% Yoruba + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
18 74.6% Esan + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
19 74.6% Yoruba + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
20 76.4% Gambian + 23.6% BedouinA @ 5.3

Nice! I didn't expect the Natufian to be so high on mine i guess it is an ancient calculator that detects mostly Middle Eastern ancestry so its bound to be accurate and consistent with all the mixing going on on the Swahili coast i might not know of 1000s of years ago. I was expecting what most other gedmatch calcs give me 94% SSA 5% Middle Eastern and 1% South Asian so i don't know if this is the calculator for me or not.

This calc seems to be similar to all your other dna tests? You score SSA in the 70s%

tmd
07-08-2016, 01:09 AM
This calc seems to be similar to all your other dna tests? You score SSA in the 70s%

Yes, for the most part, it's pretty consistent. The calc or tests based on ancient genomes are more interesting imo. I have known East African ancestry going back few gen ago, so with genetics allowing us to explore our past, I think it's pretty cool.

Some communities have mixed with other groups overtime and because of a sort of cultural assimilation, parts of their ancestry gets forgotten.
This is often the case for communities that live across the Sahara region of Africa.

Deftextra
07-08-2016, 01:42 PM
Some of my results.

Punt K12 modern:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 28.34
2 Near_East 15.62
3 Caucasus_HG 15.08
4 Anatolian_NF 13.17
5 South_Asian 12.45
6 South_African_HG 5.6
7 East_Asian 4.68
8 European_HG 3.1
9 Beringian 1.1
10 Oceanian 0.86

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Somali_Benadiri 5.99
2 Ethiopian 21.62
3 Oromo 24.52
4 Somali 26.22
5 Yemeni 27.71
6 Algerian 32.17
7 Egyptian 32.49
8 BedouinA 34.77
9 Saharawi 35.71
10 Tunisian 36.28
11 Jordanian 36.99
12 Lebanese 37.38
13 Syrian 37.71
14 Palestinian 37.96
15 Mozabite_Berber 37.97
16 Turkish 41.18
17 Uzbek 41.33
18 Maasai 41.69
19 Turkish_Aydin 41.77
20 Libyan_Jew 41.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.2% Somali_Benadiri + 5.8% Cambodian @ 3.48
2 94.6% Somali_Benadiri + 5.4% Han_Chinese @ 3.49
3 94.8% Somali_Benadiri + 5.2% Vietnamese @ 3.5
4 94.3% Somali_Benadiri + 5.7% Japanese @ 3.56
5 95.3% Somali_Benadiri + 4.7% Ami @ 3.59
6 94.3% Somali_Benadiri + 5.7% Korean @ 3.6
7 94% Somali_Benadiri + 6% Mongolian @ 3.65
8 91.1% Somali_Benadiri + 8.9% Hazara @ 3.88
9 90.5% Somali_Benadiri + 9.5% Uzbek @ 4.15
10 91.2% Somali_Benadiri + 8.8% Turkmen @ 4.24
11 93.6% Somali_Benadiri + 6.4% Altaian @ 4.36
12 93.2% Somali_Benadiri + 6.8% Chuvash @ 4.39
13 91.5% Somali_Benadiri + 8.5% Nogai @ 4.45
14 94.5% Somali_Benadiri + 5.5% Tuvinian @ 4.55
15 93.9% Somali_Benadiri + 6.1% Russian @ 4.59
16 93.7% Somali_Benadiri + 6.3% Mordovian @ 4.62
17 94.3% Somali_Benadiri + 5.7% Finnish @ 4.66
18 63.9% Somali + 36.1% Burusho @ 4.67
19 94.2% Somali_Benadiri + 5.8% Belarusian @ 4.69
20 94.5% Somali_Benadiri + 5.5% Estonian @ 4.7

Punt K10:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 35.09
2 ENF 27.36
3 CHG 14.09
4 ASI 12.44
5 E_Asian 4.68
6 WHG 3.64
7 Oceanian 1.39


Finished reading population data. 108 populations found.
10 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ethiopian @ 21.260578
2 Somali @ 24.060303
3 Yemeni @ 32.795387
4 Tunisian @ 33.858074
5 Moroccan @ 37.165192
6 Maasai @ 37.740253
7 Syrian @ 39.403728
8 Algerian @ 40.433121
9 Egyptian @ 40.537399
10 Jordanian @ 40.590050
11 Palestinian @ 43.145851
12 Saudi @ 43.515053
13 Turkish_Aydin @ 44.019749
14 Turkish_Kayseri @ 44.879635
15 Lebanese @ 45.212749
16 Iranian @ 45.652931
17 Sephardic_Jew @ 45.788223
18 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 45.911774
19 Kurdish @ 46.958664
20 Pashtun @ 46.989746

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turkish_Kayseri +50% Maasai @ 12.321432


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Tunisian +25% Sindhi +25% Yoruba @ 7.332829


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Tunisian + Burusho + Somali + Maasai @ 4.708330
2 Burusho + Ethiopian + Somali + Somali @ 4.816241
3 Tunisian + Burusho + Ethiopian + Kikuyu @ 4.866950
4 Algerian + Burusho + Yemeni + Yoruba @ 4.913621
5 Algerian + Burusho + Yemeni + Esan @ 4.935061
6 Algerian + Burusho + Yemeni + Mende @ 4.950262
7 Tunisian + Sindhi + Somali + Maasai @ 5.006212
8 UP_Brahmin + Egyptian + Somali + Kikuyu @ 5.064159
9 Algerian + Burusho + Yemeni + Gambian @ 5.070010
10 Burusho + Yemeni + Somali + Maasai @ 5.088973
11 Algerian + Burusho + Yemeni + Mandinka @ 5.106970
12 Burusho + Ethiopian + Ethiopian + Somali @ 5.125206
13 African_American + Burusho + Somali + BedouinB @ 5.157203
14 Tunisian + Sindhi + Ethiopian + Kikuyu @ 5.213070
15 Burusho + Maasai + Maasai + BedouinB @ 5.248372
16 UP_Brahmin + Egyptian + Ethiopian + Kikuyu @ 5.280862
17 Moroccan + Burusho + Ethiopian + Kikuyu @ 5.299167
18 Moroccan + Burusho + Somali + Maasai @ 5.304832
19 Tunisian + Pathan + Somali + Maasai @ 5.352407
20 Burusho + Yemeni + Ethiopian + Kikuyu @ 5.411108
DNA.Land
10263
We-Gene
10264

Odyss
07-08-2016, 10:14 PM
Yes, for the most part, it's pretty consistent. The calc or tests based on ancient genomes are more interesting imo. I have known East African ancestry going back few gen ago, so with genetics allowing us to explore our past, I think it's pretty cool.

Some communities have mixed with other groups overtime and because of a sort of cultural assimilation, parts of their ancestry gets forgotten.
This is often the case for communities that live across the Sahara region of Africa.
Hi.
The population ancestry among nomadic Pulaaren are quite consistent and homogenous so far. I think your ancestors lived much further north , arguably many rupestral paintings found in the Algerian Sahara even very north of Tassili N'Adjer could be attributed to your forefathers. After adopting pastoralism and a chunk of north ancestry , Fulanis probably started moving down in the Sahel following the desertification of the region.

tmd
07-11-2016, 02:56 AM
Hi.
The population ancestry among nomadic Pulaaren are quite consistent and homogenous so far. I think your ancestors lived much further north , arguably many rupestral paintings found in the Algerian Sahara even very north of Tassili N'Adjer could be attributed to your forefathers. After adopting pastoralism and a chunk of north ancestry , Fulanis probably started moving down in the Sahel following the desertification of the region.

Sorry for the delay. It's interesting because I have 2 Libyans Matches, one whose lineage comes from the Nafusa mountains and the other the Fezzan area. It falls within the geographic area you mentioned.
In addition, as I already stated in a different thread (dealing with dna.land results), the majority of my matches are Hispanics, some Mexican-Americans, Jewish, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. I am not too familiar with the history btw North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula, but it does indicate some North African ancestry in recent history.

Ignis90
07-11-2016, 05:04 AM
Sorry for the delay. It's interesting because I have 2 Libyans Matches, one whose lineage comes from the Nafusa mountains and the other the Fezzan area. It falls within the geographic area you mentioned.
In addition, as I already stated in a different thread (dealing with dna.land results), the majority of my matches are Hispanics, some Mexican-Americans, Jewish, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. I am not too familiar with the history btw North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula, but it does indicate some North African ancestry in recent history.

It's possible that the North African affinity of Fulanis is the result of multiple events, with at least one being quite ancient. While most Fulanis seem to get around the same results, a recent paper on Sudan (Dobon et al. 2015) analyzed Sudanese Fulanis and found quite some variation. While the Sudanese Sahel is a very peripheral territory of Fulanis, it might be a clue to what is happening elsewhere.
It's not far-stretched to think that in some occasions, some Fulani groups would mix with populations with a somewhat similar lifestyle and similar religion like the Tuaregs for instance, or "Moors" in Senegal.

Darko
09-23-2016, 09:39 AM
mine
FTDNA:
African: 60%
-west Africa :38%
- Eeast central Africa 22%

Middle Eastern: 36%
-Eastern middle east: 20%
-North Africa:14%

European: 05%
- Southern European:05%

britainsdna chromo 2 complete:
All my ancestry:
native american:03%
pacific:01%
east asian:0%
north asian:0%
south asian:02%
european:08%
southwest asian:02%
west eurasian:30%
east african:10%
pan-african:42%
ancient african:02%

my GENO 2 NEXT GENERATION result:
-Western and Central Africa 37%
-Eastern Africa 22%
-Arabia 19%
- Northern Africa 14%
-Southern europe 5%
-Jewish Diaspora 4%

my dna land result:
African 72%:
West African 29%
Lower Niger Valley 16%
Senegal River Valley 8.2%
Mende/Akan 4%
East African 24%
North African 19%

West Eurasian 27%:
Arab/Egyptian 24%
Ambiguous 1.7%
Kalash 1.2%

Amazonian 1%

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
09-30-2016, 02:35 PM
My dads
11888

My mums
11889

Mine
11890

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
09-30-2016, 03:51 PM
23andme isn't the best company at picking admixtures in Africans IMO, I tested my mum and dad to prove that my ggg grandfather was Iranian from my mothers side and that my ggg grandfather on my fathers side was Yemeni, none of that showed up. I wonder if its the lack of reference population samples from the Coast of East Africa or certain groups of people 23andme have, but IDK. Most Gedmatch calculators have me having admixture at 7% maximum like North African Middle Eastern for example don't know if its an ancient component that's part of my Kikuyu ancestry or recent ancestry its detecting...

Ancient Eurasia K6 calculator is picking up my Iranian ancestry...

Admix Results (sorted):

#
Population
Percent
1
Sub_Saharan
88.07
2
Natufian
5.76
3
Ancestral_North_Eurasian
3.32
4
East_Asian
2.32
5
Ancestral_South_Eurasian
0.53

Single Population Sharing:

#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Hadza
7.37
2
Mota
7.86
3
Gambian
11.16
4
Esan
14.6
5
Yoruba
14.6
6
Masai
20.55
7
Somali
42.57
8
Moroccan
78.33
9
Saharawi
79.73
10
Algerian
81.96
11
Yemeni
87.8
12
Libyan
88.39
13
Egyptian
91.47
14
GoyetQ116
96.84
15
BedouinA
97.48
16
Jordanian
100.25
17
Syrian
101.19
18
Palestinian
101.49
19
Turkmen
103.25
20
Lebanese
103.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#
*
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
*
88.1%
Esan
+
11.9%
Azeri
@
2.04
2
*
88.1%
Yoruba
+
11.9%
Azeri
@
2.04
3
*
67.3%
Hadza
+
32.7%
Yoruba
@
2.25
4
*
67.3%
Hadza
+
32.7%
Esan
@
2.25
5
*
88.1%
Esan
+
11.9%
Iranian
@
2.26
6
*
88.1%
Yoruba
+
11.9%
Iranian
@
2.26
7
*
88.1%
Esan
+
11.9%
Iranian_Mazandarani
@
2.27
8
*
88.1%
Yoruba
+
11.9%
Iranian_Mazandarani
@
2.27
9
*
88.1%
Esan
+
11.9%
Iran_recent
@
2.27
10
*
88.1%
Yoruba
+
11.9%
Iran_recent
@
2.27
11
*
87.8%
Yoruba
+
12.2%
Iranian_Shirazi
@
2.31
12
*
87.8%
Esan
+
12.2%
Iranian_Shirazi
@
2.31
13
*
88.1%
Esan
+
11.9%
Kurd_C
@
2.31
14
*
88.1%
Yoruba
+
11.9%
Kurd_C
@
2.31
15
*
90.7%
Gambian
+
9.3%
Azeri
@
2.37
16
*
88.1%
Yoruba
+
11.9%
Iran_N_WC1
@
2.4
17
*
88.1%
Esan
+
11.9%
Iran_N_WC1
@
2.4
18
*
90.7%
Gambian
+
9.3%
Iranian_Mazandarani
@
2.44
19
*
88.3%
Yoruba
+
11.7%
Iran_ChL
@
2.45
20
*
88.3%
Esan
+
11.7%
Iran_ChL
@
2.45

Yahanon
12-18-2016, 03:35 AM
I'm African American. My results for Dodecad 12b are below. Anything unusual about my East African results?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub_Saharan 80.06
2 East_African 6.44
3 North_European 4.93
4 Atlantic_Med 4.10
5 Gedrosia 2.74
6 Siberian 1.73


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 ASW30 @ 6.897296
2 Bantu_S.E._Tswana @ 11.987159
3 Bantu_S.E._Pedi @ 12.013397
4 Bantu_S.E._Zulu @ 12.495399
5 Bantu_S.E._S.Sotho @ 12.672593
6 Bantu_S.W._Herero @ 13.462652
7 Bantu_S.W._Ovambo @ 15.325768
8 Bantu_N.E. @ 17.887079
9 LWK30 @ 19.741690
10 Mandenka @ 19.936676
11 Yoruba @ 22.148451
12 YRI30 @ 22.148451
13 MKK30 @ 77.938881
14 Sandawe_He @ 80.047173
15 Algerian @ 84.744560
16 Yemenese @ 85.051132
17 Egyptans @ 87.586311
18 Moroccans @ 87.649628
19 Uzbeks @ 88.404282
20 Hazara @ 89.707634

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ASW30 +50% Bantu_S.E._Tswana @ 6.616256


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ASW30 +25% ASW30 +25% LWK30 @ 3.328045


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 ASW30 + ASW30 + ASW30 + LWK30 @ 3.328045
2 ASW30 + ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. @ 3.470081
3 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._Zulu + LWK30 @ 5.651729
4 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.E._Pedi @ 5.651730
5 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._S.Sotho + LWK30 @ 5.652002
6 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.E._Tswana @ 5.652917
7 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.E._Zulu @ 5.677271
8 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.W._Herero + LWK30 @ 5.680752
9 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._Pedi + LWK30 @ 5.689915
10 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.E._S.Sotho @ 5.692499
11 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._Tswana + LWK30 @ 5.698562
12 ASW30 + ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._Tswana @ 5.716256
13 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.W._Herero @ 5.772813
14 ASW30 + ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._Pedi @ 5.774222
15 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.W._Ovambo + LWK30 @ 5.828335
16 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.W._Ovambo @ 6.003658
17 ASW30 + ASW30 + LWK30 + Mandenka @ 6.268160
18 ASW30 + ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._Zulu @ 6.277518
19 ASW30 + ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_S.E._S.Sotho @ 6.398397
20 ASW30 + ASW30 + Bantu_N.E. + Mandenka @ 6.595940

Agamemnon
12-18-2016, 02:55 PM
^^Nothing unusual, I've seen a large number of Aframs who get the exact same amount of East African on this calculator. What I do find unusual though is your ethnicity ("Hamito-Semitic") :P

Yahanon
12-18-2016, 03:45 PM
^^Nothing unusual, I've seen a large number of Aframs who get the exact same amount of East African on this calculator. What I do find unusual though is your ethnicity ("Hamito-Semitic") :P

Thanks and lol. 13134

Agamemnon
12-18-2016, 05:08 PM
Thanks and lol. 13134

ROFL are you trying to say Hebrews were black? :rofl:

Power77
12-18-2016, 05:35 PM
ROFL are you trying to say Hebrews were black? :rofl:

Well, who knows:eyebrows:? After all, aren't you the one who told me that my Y-DNA lineage likely predates J1 and J2 in Da Holy Land;)?

Agamemnon
12-18-2016, 05:39 PM
Well, who knows:eyebrows:? After all, aren't you the one who told me that my Y-DNA lineage likely predates J1 and J2 in Da Holy Land;)?

I'm quite sure it does, however the Israelites per se emerged during the Late Bronze Age some 3,200 years ago, if Egyptian depictions of "Asiatic" groups are anything to go off these people certainly didn't look like contemporary Sub-Saharan Africans.

Yahanon
12-18-2016, 05:44 PM
ROFL are you trying to say Hebrews were black? :rofl:

If you reread, I was ONLY asking about my dodecad results. Lol, you changed the subject. Race is an 18th century pseudoscientific construct. So I wouldn't see the need to assign our current racial "issues" to Hebrews. To answer your question ... They were as every ancient relief depicts them and as historians like Tacitus and Herodotus described them. 13138

Agamemnon
12-18-2016, 05:45 PM
If you reread, I was ONLY asking about my dodecad results. Lol, you changed the subject. Race is an 18th century pseudoscientific construct. So I wouldn't see the need to assign our current racial "issues" to Hebrews. To answer your question ... They were as every ancient relief depicts them and as historians like Tacitus and Herodotus described them. 13138

I certainly agree with that part.

Yahanon
12-18-2016, 06:02 PM
I certainly agree with that part.

Out of curiosity, what do you disagree with? ��

Agamemnon
12-18-2016, 06:57 PM
Out of curiosity, what do you disagree with? ��

Your ethnicity ;) For two reasons mainly, the first being that "Hamito-Semitic" is the old-fashioned racialist term for Afroasiatic (back when race was used to highlight linguistic relationships), the second is that while you probably do have a fair amount of Afroasiatic-speaking ancestors (acknowledging this is fine), this label does not embody the vast majority of your ancestry, nor even a significant part of it.

Yahanon
12-18-2016, 08:38 PM
Your ethnicity ;) For two reasons mainly, the first being that "Hamito-Semitic" is the old-fashioned racialist term for Afroasiatic (back when race was used to highlight linguistic relationships), the second is that while you probably do have a fair amount of Afroasiatic-speaking ancestors (acknowledging this is fine), this label does not embody the vast majority of your ancestry, nor even a significant part of it.

Thanks. I find your reaction to my self-described ethnicity unusual. I'm new to the site but I'd imagine this is a first, lol.

If I chose to describe myself as Hamitic, I assume you wouldn't have batted an eye. So the issue for you is my use of SEMITIC even if hyphenated in my description. Not long ago similar debates took place about the population of ancient Kemet as absurd as that now seems. I'm primarily of Bantu stock. We're not yet clear on a definitive origin of "Bantu" Haplogroups or migrations.

Awale
12-18-2016, 09:13 PM
Thanks. I find your reaction to my self-described ethnicity unusual. I'm new to the site but I'd imagine this is a first, lol.

If I chose to describe myself as Hamitic, I assume you wouldn't have batted an eye. So the issue for you is my use of SEMITIC even if hyphenated in my description. Not long ago similar debates took place about the population of ancient Kemet as absurd as that now seems. I'm primarily of Bantu stock. We're not yet clear on a definitive origin of "Bantu" Haplogroups or migrations.

He doesn't have any "problem" with how you identify, I'd say. It's just weird considering your autosomal profile that you'd list your ethnicity as "Hamito-Semitic" and then you claimed you didn't take old-school racialism and its modern descendants seriously (good work there, by the way) because "Hamito-Semitic" is an obsolete term with both racialistic and linguistic connotations. It's obsolete linguistically because there's no "Cushitic-Berber-Egyptian" node to the exclusion of Semitic in Afro-Asiatic (there are other reasons too...) and its racialistic connotations point to a proposed "Hamitic" sub-race of the "Caucasoid" race which the speakers of so-called "Hamitic" were thought to belong to and this doesn't really correlate with modern populations genetics. F.e. Modern Horn Africans like Somalis, regardless of what craniometry implies (http://oi66.tinypic.com/1763o2.jpg), are just a mixture between East-Central African (http://oi64.tinypic.com/v6p18n.jpg) & West Eurasian lineages (see here (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ae/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html)) rather than some predominantly "Caucasoid subtype".

But you're right on a couple of counts, I guess. This is all somewhat off-topic and how you "identify" is your business but I can see why Agamemnon is puzzled.

Agamemnon
12-18-2016, 09:31 PM
Thanks. I find your reaction to my self-described ethnicity unusual. I'm new to the site but I'd imagine this is a first, lol.

If I chose to describe myself as Hamitic, I assume you wouldn't have batted an eye. So the issue for you is my use of SEMITIC even if hyphenated in my description. Not long ago similar debates took place about the population of ancient Kemet as absurd as that now seems. I'm primarily of Bantu stock. We're not yet clear on a definitive origin of "Bantu" Haplogroups or migrations.

Well actually, I'd take issue with "Hamitic" but at the end of the day, both terms are inaccurate if you ask me. The main problem with "Hamito-Semitic", on linguistic grounds, is that it implies a neat divide between Semitic and the rest of the Afroasiatic family, which isn't the case. Then there's all the racial weight of this term, prior to Joseph Greenberg's revolutionary book The Languages Of Africa, linguists used to lump most of the African languages they didn't understand into a "Hamitic" category, based on "racial" traits shared between the groups which ended up in this category.

The Bantu homeland was located in what is now Cameroon and Nigeria, where the other, much smaller, branches of the Benue-Congo family are still to be found, and disintegrated some 3,000 years ago. Your paternal marker seems to hail from Western Africa, beyond the reach of Bantu territory, it has been found in Mali and may well have a very ancient presence in that part of the world, this would make sense as most African Americans are bound to derive larger chunks of ancestry from non-Bantoid Niger-Congo-speaking groups, and I think that's also the case with you.

Yahanon
12-18-2016, 11:01 PM
Thanks to all for clarifying the Hamito-Semitic point. I don't subscribe to any of the racist ideologies I guess the term connotes. The terms are Biblical, hence my usage is strictly in that sense. The Hebrews...well that's another thread!

Ignis90
12-19-2016, 04:53 AM
Thanks to all for clarifying the Hamito-Semitic point. I don't subscribe to any of the racist ideologies I guess the term connotes. The terms are Biblical, hence my usage is strictly in that sense. The Hebrews...well that's another thread!

Niger-Anglosaxon should be a more accurate and more "sciencey" term to describe your ancestry, with a funny flavor. Biblical terminology is frankly bullshit to begin with and has been distorted many times during history. The "Semitic" and "Hamitic" (and Japhetic and whatnot) populations the ancient hebrews referred to were populations of their known world, which were mostly Near Easterners. So no obvious racial connotation originally, and it certainly did not refer to any West African or European (or East Asian etc) "racial" types.

Yahanon
12-19-2016, 03:07 PM
Thanks. I'll take the Anglo idea under advisement :). I don't self ID that way at all though. It seems that misinterpretation of the text and not the text itself is the root of many Biblical issues. After all, we're comfortable with some of its terms like Hebrew, Jew and Mizraim. 13160

Power77
12-19-2016, 05:15 PM
Thanks. I'll take the Anglo idea under advisement :). I don't self ID that way at all though. It seems that misinterpretation of the text and not the text itself is the root of many Biblical issues. After all, we're comfortable with some of its terms like Hebrew, Jew and Mizraim. 13160

Do you believe that you are related to the Ancient Hebrews;)?

Yahanon
12-19-2016, 05:41 PM
Do you believe that you are related to the Ancient Hebrews;)?


I'm a novice in this arena. So I can't say.

Power77
12-19-2016, 05:55 PM
I'm a novice in this arena. So I can't say.

You entertain the possibility though. Am I right;)?
But if so, why:\?

Yahanon
12-19-2016, 06:25 PM
You entertain the possibility though. Am I right;)?
But if so, why:\?

Well, I don't think belief or entertaining possibilities has any bearing on genetics, right? :) So, I honestly can't say.

Yahanon
12-21-2016, 04:45 PM
^^Nothing unusual, I've seen a large number of Aframs who get the exact same amount of East African on this calculator. What I do find unusual though is your ethnicity ("Hamito-Semitic") :P

MDLP World 22 shows a Lemba connection. Typical, I assume?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharian 84.40
2 North-East-European 4.26
3 Pygmy 4.24
4 Near_East 3.13
5 North-Amerind 2.41
6 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.56


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lemba @ 8.377853
2 Bantu @ 10.432640
3 Mandenka @ 17.143000
4 Sub-Saharian @ 17.251442
5 Yoruba @ 17.251442
6 Biaka_Pygmies @ 31.988836
7 Ethiopian @ 61.547581
8 Jew-Ethiopia @ 65.335144
9 Jew_Ethiopia @ 66.348740
10 Lumbee @ 68.398697
11 Moroccan @ 72.930511
12 Australian @ 75.210632
13 Yemen @ 78.739204
14 Mozabite @ 78.975296
15 Egyptian @ 83.796989
16 Puerto-Rican @ 84.218399
17 Ste7 @ 85.891449
18 Miwok @ 88.427315
19 Jordanian @ 88.820206
20 Mexican @ 89.237633

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lemba +50% Lemba @ 8.377853

Agamemnon
12-21-2016, 04:47 PM
You should try MDLP K23b, this calculator is ill-suited for you IMO.

Yahanon
12-21-2016, 06:43 PM
No surprise there. Closest population matches were African American and Caribbean.

Awale
12-28-2016, 03:20 AM
Ho boy! What did I just wake up to?! You guys are going really off-topic here! :lol: No worries, I'll find some way to move the off-topic stuff to its own thread in this very section and reply to some of you where I see fit.


Edit:

Okay, done! I moved the majority of the off-topic content, other than that ancestry tangent with Yahanon, here:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9415-Ancient-Hebrews-Ancient-Egyptians-and-others-phenotypes-tangent

Please keep this thread on-topic from now on.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-28-2016, 11:35 PM
My Dr Mcdonald chromosome painting.


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Adrian Stevenson
12-29-2016, 10:13 AM
I am getting the "Invalid Attachment" notice when trying to see your painting.

Cheers, Ade.

raspberry
12-29-2016, 10:56 AM
Here you go:


23andme:



http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/23andme_zps84uoo8hz.png


Wegene:


http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/Wegene_zpsb25e1n99.png



DNA.Land:


http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/DNA.LAND_zpstypucrcv.png

Awale you are scoring as much arab in Dna Land as me>:( I dont believe them anymore because 23 and me says something completely different about your admixture (8% MENA). DNA Land is a bad calculator. I need their E-Mail so I can complain

Awale
12-29-2016, 01:06 PM
Awale you are scoring as much arab in Dna Land as me>:( I dont believe them anymore because 23 and me says something completely different about your admixture (8% MENA). DNA Land is a bad calculator. I need their E-Mail so I can complain

You're comparing completely different tests, man. 23andme has Horn African and Maasai reference samples which, from what I recall, it uses to create its "East African" component so most Somalis turn up as 90-100% "East African" on it and most other Horn Africans of Cushitic and Ethiopian-Semitic roots also turn up as like 65-85% "East African" in turn. On the other hand, DNA.Land is just picking up on my substantial pre-historic Natufian/Levant_N-related ancestries (~40% or so of my overall ancestry (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ae/2016/01/just-how-african-west-eurasian-are-horn.html)) which is quite rich in the likes of Egyptians and Arabians, hence the following result:

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/Aizadara/DNA.LAND_zpstypucrcv.png

In fact, it's picking up on much less of this ancestry than various other tests would since it seems to have an "East African" component there that's somewhat based on the likes of some Southeast Africans with South-Cushitic speaker admixture (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ae/2015/05/south-cushitic-admixture-in-southeast.html) which obviously deflates how "Arab" I seem (+ there's a "North African"/Maghrebi component too which aids in the deflation). Honestly, I find this test result more interesting than 23andme's bland and obvious result. Though, I wish they'd add caveats that explain to laymen that they're probably often registering "shared pre-historic roots" and not actual admixture from Egyptians or what have you.


My Dr Mcdonald chromosome painting.


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I am getting the "Invalid Attachment" notice when trying to see your painting.

Cheers, Ade.

Yes, Swahili-Prince... I'd just stick to using an outside service like Tinypic, Photobucket or what have you from now on. Attachments can malfunction at times depending on the situation. Linking pictures from an outside database with spoiler-tags would be better, in my humble opinion.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-29-2016, 05:20 PM
This chromosome painting is from 2014, I tried to ask McDonald for another analysis but it looks like he has other plans or projects.

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He also said...

Please read the .rtf file.
This appears to be East African:
*Bantu_Kenya 0.9285* A-Ethiopian 0.0715
*Bantu_Kenya 0.9293* T-Ethiopian 0.0707
*Bantu_Kenya 0.9225* O-Ethiopian 0.0775
*Bantu_Kenya 0.8854****** Maasai 0.1146

I think there needs to be more sampling on Swahili people, since I'm from a small minority clan all McDonald could do was to compare me to( some) Kenyan Bantus who have no recent West or East Eurasian admixture. He however didn't mention anything about the Middle Eastern he assigned on my chromosome painting.

Awale
12-29-2016, 08:39 PM
This chromosome painting is from 2014, I tried to ask McDonald for another analysis but it looks like he has other plans or projects.

I actually just remembered today that I had your raw data, man. After you sent me that PM reply after ages... So I apologize for forgetting. I did definitely intend to sift through your raw data and see what I could notice but I got majorly derailed at the time with other stuff and eventually just forgot. Anyway, I don't know if Mc's thrown you into a PCA but this seems to be how you cluster in global PCA (100,000 SNPs):

http://oi65.tinypic.com/20rnwxs.jpg

There you seem pretty predominantly "African" to me. I threw in myself, Drobbah and several other ethnic Somalis in order to see how much you'd pull toward West Eurasians in comparison to us and you do seem to cluster very close to the likes of the West-Central African samples present. Probably don't cluster too far off from where NE_Bantu samples might cluster (http://oi67.tinypic.com/2qkhylx.jpg). You interestingly don't show an "Eastern shift" (technically "Western" in the PCA but toward Eastern Non-Africans) in the PCA either. Somali-Benadiris (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ae/2016/02/more-benadiris-and-story-isnt-changing.html) (Somali + South Asian + Iranian + Arab + SE African Bantu-speaker related elements are usually quite present in them), on the other hand, definitely do:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/s3hr7o.jpg

Which correlates with their partial Eastern-Non-African roots (i.e. via their South Asian related ancestries). Your lack of an eastern-shift correlates with these ADMIX calc results as well:



Eurogenes K=13:

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 69.81
2 Northeast_African 22.72
3 Red_Sea 3.83
4 East_Med 2.11
5 Amerindian 0.47
6 Oceanian 0.46
7 Siberian 0.29
8 North_Atlantic 0.14
9 South_Asian 0.09
10 West_Asian 0.08
11 West_Med 0.01

Eurogenes Jtest:

# Population Percent
1 WEST_AFRICAN 62.55
2 EAST_AFRICAN 29.17
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 7.33
4 ASHKENAZI 0.78
5 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.16

PUNTDNAL K=12:

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 83.51
2 South_African_HG 5.28
3 Near_East 4.42
4 Anatolian_NF 3.91
5 Beringian 1
6 Oceanian 0.72
7 South_Asian 0.62
8 Amerindian 0.52




I haven't been very thorough here at all but yeah... You basically seem like the standard "NE_Bantu" samples + some West-Eurasian admixture which makes sense given your heritage, I suppose. See here (http://oi64.tinypic.com/6iscok.jpg). If it's worth anything, Eurogenes K=13 and the Jtests' oracles, when they're not basically making you look like you're Horner admixed, seem to model you as a Luhya with like 5-10% Arabian-related admixture:

Eurogenes K=13:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.9% Bantu_S.E. + 18.1% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 0.73
2 80% Bantu_S.W. + 20% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 0.88
3 81.7% Bantu_S.E. + 18.3% Somali @ 1.06
4 81.5% Bantu_S.E. + 18.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.1
5 76.4% Mandenka + 23.6% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.33
6 66.9% Mandenka + 33.1% Maasai @ 1.36
7 63% Mandenka + 37% Sandawe @ 1.51
8 60.7% Yoruban + 39.3% Maasai @ 1.53
9 88.9% Biaka_Pygmy + 11.1% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.64
10 56.6% Yoruban + 43.4% Sandawe @ 1.65
11 79.8% Bantu_S.W. + 20.2% Somali @ 1.7
12 88.7% Biaka_Pygmy + 11.3% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.71
13 79.5% Bantu_S.W. + 20.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.73
14 71.3% Yoruban + 28.7% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.74
15 72.5% Bantu_S.W. + 27.5% Maasai @ 2.19
16 94.9% Luhya + 5.1% Saudi @ 2.33
17 95.1% Luhya + 4.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.56
18 75% Bantu_S.E. + 25% Maasai @ 2.61
19 69% Bantu_S.W. + 31% Sandawe @ 2.67
20 94.8% Luhya + 5.2% Bedouin @ 2.83

Eurogenes Jtest:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Yoruba + 31.8% Maasai @ 1.89
2 93.5% Luhya + 6.5% Bedouin @ 2.31
3 92.1% Luhya + 7.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.97
4 92.1% Luhya + 7.9% Algerian @ 3.07
5 92.2% Luhya + 7.8% Ethiopian @ 3.18
6 92.7% Luhya + 7.3% Moroccan @ 3.44
7 92.3% Luhya + 7.7% Somali @ 3.65
8 76.3% Yoruba + 23.7% Somali @ 3.75
9 93.7% Luhya + 6.3% IQ @ 4.01
10 94% Luhya + 6% Samaritan @ 4.08
11 94.2% Luhya + 5.8% Mandean @ 4.5
12 94% Luhya + 6% AJ @ 4.52
13 94% Luhya + 6% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.58
14 94.3% Luhya + 5.7% Assyrian @ 4.71
15 94.2% Luhya + 5.8% GR @ 4.77
16 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% Druze @ 4.78
17 94.3% Luhya + 5.7% TR @ 4.82
18 94.2% Luhya + 5.8% PT @ 4.84
19 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% IR @ 4.86
20 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% Kurdish @ 4.86

Makes some sense too, I guess?

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-30-2016, 07:00 PM
I actually just remembered today that I had your raw data, man. After you sent me that PM reply after ages... So I apologize for forgetting. I did definitely intend to sift through your raw data and see what I could notice but I got majorly derailed at the time with other stuff and eventually just forgot. Anyway, I don't know if Mc's thrown you into a PCA but this seems to be how you cluster in global PCA (100,000 SNPs):

http://oi65.tinypic.com/20rnwxs.jpg

There you seem pretty predominantly "African" to me. I threw in myself, Drobbah and several other ethnic Somalis in order to see how much you'd pull toward West Eurasians in comparison to us and you do seem to cluster very close to the likes of the West-Central African samples present. Probably don't cluster too far off from where NE_Bantu samples might cluster (http://oi67.tinypic.com/2qkhylx.jpg). You interestingly don't show an "Eastern shift" (technically "Western" in the PCA but toward Eastern Non-Africans) in the PCA either. Somali-Benadiris (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ae/2016/02/more-benadiris-and-story-isnt-changing.html) (Somali + South Asian + Iranian + Arab + SE African Bantu-speaker related elements are usually quite present in them), on the other hand, definitely do:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/s3hr7o.jpg

Which correlates with their partial Eastern-Non-African roots (i.e. via their South Asian related ancestries). Your lack of an eastern-shift correlates with these ADMIX calc results as well:



Eurogenes K=13:

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 69.81
2 Northeast_African 22.72
3 Red_Sea 3.83
4 East_Med 2.11
5 Amerindian 0.47
6 Oceanian 0.46
7 Siberian 0.29
8 North_Atlantic 0.14
9 South_Asian 0.09
10 West_Asian 0.08
11 West_Med 0.01

Eurogenes Jtest:

# Population Percent
1 WEST_AFRICAN 62.55
2 EAST_AFRICAN 29.17
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 7.33
4 ASHKENAZI 0.78
5 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.16

PUNTDNAL K=12:

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 83.51
2 South_African_HG 5.28
3 Near_East 4.42
4 Anatolian_NF 3.91
5 Beringian 1
6 Oceanian 0.72
7 South_Asian 0.62
8 Amerindian 0.52




I haven't been very thorough here at all but yeah... You basically seem like the standard "NE_Bantu" samples + some West-Eurasian admixture which makes sense given your heritage, I suppose. See here (http://oi64.tinypic.com/6iscok.jpg). If it's worth anything, Eurogenes K=13 and the Jtests' oracles, when they're not basically making you look like you're Horner admixed, seem to model you as a Luhya with like 5-10% Arabian-related admixture:

Eurogenes K=13:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.9% Bantu_S.E. + 18.1% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 0.73
2 80% Bantu_S.W. + 20% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 0.88
3 81.7% Bantu_S.E. + 18.3% Somali @ 1.06
4 81.5% Bantu_S.E. + 18.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.1
5 76.4% Mandenka + 23.6% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.33
6 66.9% Mandenka + 33.1% Maasai @ 1.36
7 63% Mandenka + 37% Sandawe @ 1.51
8 60.7% Yoruban + 39.3% Maasai @ 1.53
9 88.9% Biaka_Pygmy + 11.1% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.64
10 56.6% Yoruban + 43.4% Sandawe @ 1.65
11 79.8% Bantu_S.W. + 20.2% Somali @ 1.7
12 88.7% Biaka_Pygmy + 11.3% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.71
13 79.5% Bantu_S.W. + 20.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.73
14 71.3% Yoruban + 28.7% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.74
15 72.5% Bantu_S.W. + 27.5% Maasai @ 2.19
16 94.9% Luhya + 5.1% Saudi @ 2.33
17 95.1% Luhya + 4.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.56
18 75% Bantu_S.E. + 25% Maasai @ 2.61
19 69% Bantu_S.W. + 31% Sandawe @ 2.67
20 94.8% Luhya + 5.2% Bedouin @ 2.83

Eurogenes Jtest:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Yoruba + 31.8% Maasai @ 1.89
2 93.5% Luhya + 6.5% Bedouin @ 2.31
3 92.1% Luhya + 7.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.97
4 92.1% Luhya + 7.9% Algerian @ 3.07
5 92.2% Luhya + 7.8% Ethiopian @ 3.18
6 92.7% Luhya + 7.3% Moroccan @ 3.44
7 92.3% Luhya + 7.7% Somali @ 3.65
8 76.3% Yoruba + 23.7% Somali @ 3.75
9 93.7% Luhya + 6.3% IQ @ 4.01
10 94% Luhya + 6% Samaritan @ 4.08
11 94.2% Luhya + 5.8% Mandean @ 4.5
12 94% Luhya + 6% AJ @ 4.52
13 94% Luhya + 6% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.58
14 94.3% Luhya + 5.7% Assyrian @ 4.71
15 94.2% Luhya + 5.8% GR @ 4.77
16 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% Druze @ 4.78
17 94.3% Luhya + 5.7% TR @ 4.82
18 94.2% Luhya + 5.8% PT @ 4.84
19 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% IR @ 4.86
20 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% Kurdish @ 4.86

Makes some sense too, I guess?

Your analysis made sense and was accurate indeed. The Luhya is a indicator of my predominately Bantu ancestry I suggest?

I think DNATribes snp analysis confirmed my known ancestry therefore it was the most reliable for me it also fits in with my ethnc background.

94.4% SSA fits in with all the other tests which have me on average as predominately 94% SSA. The 3.1% Middle Eastern comes from my GGGgrandfather Khatib Basheikh wo was Iranian. The 1.4% Asian 0.6% South Asian Amerindian 0.1% Pacific 0.1% could all be related and it most likely comes from my South Indian GGGgrandfather who was from the Dossa clan. The 0.2% European is so small and worth not even considering but it could be coming from the Portuguese explorers in the late 1500s who settled in Malindi which was a Portuguese settlement near my home Mombasa. I still consider myself predominately African and little mixed.

Tell me what you think of my DNATribes Snp analysis results I think its the most accurate for me...
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Deftextra
12-31-2016, 03:18 AM
The 0.2% European is so small and worth not even considering but it could be coming from the Portuguese explorers in the late 1500s who settled in Malindi which was a Portuguese settlement near my home Mombasa. I still consider myself predominately African and little mixed.

Tell me what you think of my DNATribes Snp analysis results I think its the most accurate for me...


Yeah. I sometimes come across this vague mention of Portuguese ancestry aswell. However, from the results I have seen so far, there no obvious indication of any European ancestry. We sometimes score small amounts, but this is most likely coming from our Middle-Eastern and south-Asian ancestry. I think its very unlikely anyway for such ancestry to have come directly, since the Portuguese never had any foothold, except for Barawa , but it only lasted for 3 days and they got expelled soon after.

I have come across this interesting (outdated and no references) page which mentions:
"In the early 20th century there was an area within the city of Mogadishu that was inhabited by seamen and traders. Some of these traders claimed part Portuguese and part Indian ancestry."


http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConNarrative.109/chapterId/2310/outputFormat/print/The-Somali-Community-in-the-Port-of-London.html

The area they are talking about is probably "xamar weyne", which is the oldest part of Mogadishu and where our clans used to live. I remember my mother mentioning some years ago that various different "foreigners" used to live there as well. I have various cousins which I am told actually have recent ancestries from these communities. It would be interesting to see how they would score.

Edit: I actually match with a bunch of Iberians and part Iberians on ancestryDNA (6-11cm single segments).

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-31-2016, 04:20 AM
Yeah. I sometimes come across this vague mention of Portuguese ancestry aswell. However, from the results I have seen so far, there no obvious indication of any European ancestry. We sometimes score small amounts, but this is most likely coming from our Middle-Eastern and south-Asian ancestry. I think its very unlikely anyway for such ancestry to have come directly, since the Portuguese never had any foothold, except for Barawa , but it only lasted for 3 days and they got expelled soon after.

I have come across this interesting (outdated and no references) page which mentions:
"In the early 20th century there was an area within the city of Mogadishu that was inhabited by seamen and traders. Some of these traders claimed part Portuguese and part Indian ancestry."


http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConNarrative.109/chapterId/2310/outputFormat/print/The-Somali-Community-in-the-Port-of-London.html

The area they are talking about is probably "xamar weyne", which is the oldest part of Mogadishu and where our clans used to live. I remember my mother mentioning some years ago that various different "foreigners" used to live there as well. I have various cousins which I am told actually have recent ancestries from these communities. It would be interesting to see how they would score.

Edit: I actually match with a bunch of Iberians and part Iberians on ancestryDNA (6-11cm single segments).

Yea the southern euro could be linked to the Middle Eastern and even South Asian. I'm guessing that it might come from my 3% Iranian ancestry but that's just me speculating.

True about what you said about the Portuguese being expelled by the Omani Arabs from Coastal Somalia city states like Mogadishu and also Kenyan ones like Mombasa and Malindi. It gives me a picture that there were hardly any Portuguese settlers along the East Coast of Africa and even if they were they were probably a few settlers who had limited rights.

In Malindi there was a Portuguese settlement a church was built (from what I've heard) a pillar of Vasco De Gamma and the word Malindi is just a Swahili corruption of Linda which is what Vasco De Gamma used to name his settlements as beautiful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malindi

Interesting that you somehow match some Portuguese people and part Portuguese people. I have a Sicilian match on 23andMe and other Southern Europeans who seem to outnumber my Middle Eastern matches.

Here are some of my Middle Eastern and European matches on 23andme...

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Lugus
12-31-2016, 07:55 AM
Interesting that you somehow match some Portuguese people and part Portuguese people. I have a Sicilian match on 23andMe and other Southern Europeans who seem to outnumber my Middle Eastern matches.

DNA Land gives me 3.7% African, of which 2.5% is North African and 1.2% is ambiguous. For Family Finder I'm 4% African, 2% N Africa and 2% East Africa. In 23andme I only get 0.1% SSA and it's also E African. Almost all calculators give me some African, usually E African. But I can't see any African matches, at least as far as I can tell from the little information people give.

I speculate that my African DNA is quite old and came from the Middle East or North Africa with people who were themselves admixed.

P.S. Your avatar looks familiar.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-31-2016, 11:12 PM
DNA Land gives me 3.7% African, of which 2.5% is North African and 1.2% is ambiguous. For Family Finder I'm 4% African, 2% N Africa and 2% East Africa. In 23andme I only get 0.1% SSA and it's also E African. Almost all calculators give me some African, usually E African. But I can't see any African matches, at least as far as I can tell from the little information people give.

I speculate that my African DNA is quite old and came from the Middle East or North Africa with people who were themselves admixed.

P.S. Your avatar looks familiar.

23andme underestimates admixtures for some people somehow for example I should be having up to 6% Middle Eastern which is known ancestry and also based on what GEDmatch, DNATribes and AncestryDNA say. I estimated the average African DNA for you in you're case is 3%. Is the Sub Saharan African also on conservative? Your'e ratio of 2% North African and 2% East African might be from a Taureg or Sahelian ancestor they have some Berber as well as West African in them therefore it could be old as you say.

I have a thing for the renaissance culture based on my avatar I guess lol Happy New Year anyways :)

AppalachianGumbo
01-02-2017, 04:17 PM
23andme underestimates admixtures for some people somehow for example I should be having up to 6% Middle Eastern which is known ancestry and also based on what GEDmatch, DNATribes and AncestryDNA say. I estimated the average African DNA for you in you're case is 3%.)........

I think it is important to remember, DNA test percentages don't correlate with exactly how much ancestry you are. The percent you see, are your markers compare to the ethnic panel. Gedmatch are synthetic you should be careful with that. If someone's SSA for example is 80%, this does not mean they are 80% SSA, just 80% of those markers compare to the panel used for SSA. I have seen one tester and their siblings 4 in total test Native American from 10% to 22%. They have the same mother and father. Does this mean one is more Native American than the other? No it does not. Just how the test is examining the SNP's at the region of the loci.

You cannot take percentages for an exact reading into how munch ancestry you exactly have. It gets one in the ballpark.

Deftextra
01-02-2017, 06:34 PM
True about what you said about the Portuguese being expelled by the Omani Arabs from Coastal Somalia city states like Mogadishu and also Kenyan ones like Mombasa and Malindi.


From sources I have read it, not exactly sure, but I think it was actually with the help of the Ottomans that contributed in preventing the Somali coast being captured by the Portuguese during the height of their dominance in the Indian ocean.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Portuguese_conflicts_(1538%E2%80%9 357).

It was about a century later after the the Omani became self governing, and ejected the Portuguese from Zanzibar and from other coastal regions with the help of the Somali. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman

Awale
01-02-2017, 07:35 PM
The Luhya is a indicator of my predominately Bantu ancestry I suggest?

Well of course, yeah.


Tell me what you think of my DNATribes Snp analysis results I think its the most accurate for me...

Yeah, seems alright. Relatively in-line with what I noticed. I'd say the "Asian" they notice is probably noise and your West-Eurasian affinities could stand to be a bit higher but it seems fine otherwise.



Yeah. I sometimes come across this vague mention of Portuguese ancestry aswell. However, from the results I have seen so far, there no obvious indication of any European ancestry. We sometimes score small amounts, but this is most likely coming from our Middle-Eastern and south-Asian ancestry. I think its very unlikely anyway for such ancestry to have come directly, since the Portuguese never had any foothold, except for Barawa , but it only lasted for 3 days and they got expelled soon after.

Ah, the Portuguese claims always seemed like slightly romantic claims, in my humble opinion. One knowledgeable Bravanese fellow even told me that it sometimes comes from (at least in his clan) a misunderstanding regarding their founder's story in that one branch of the founder's family is thought to have come on down to the Somali coast and another is thought to have gone far out north and eventually to the Iberian Peninsula (it's just a story though) and some mis-translate this as Hatimis being part Iberian... That's what he told me, anyway.

The Portuguese did wreck some havoc on the Somali coastline (they even burned Berbera and Zeila in the north, from what I recall) but, in the early stages, they were mostly held back by some sultanates in the northern areas (Adal and some others stationed out in the northeast and such) with the help of the Ottomans and by the Ajuran Imamate (along with their Sultanate of Mogadishu buddies) also with the help of the Ottomans in the south. In later times, the Ottomans holding the northwest and some of the central-north along with some Northeastern local sultanates + the likes of the Geledis and Omanis being present in the south is what ultimately held them off, I suppose. Omani "power" in the south was pretty nominal (https://books.google.ae/books?id=fb4UYAPUhYoC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=omani,+somalia,+nominal,+geledi&source=bl&ots=DfqFyHCo8U&sig=785JqfAF2YTlhKnxOun0gIrLbSk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8h7C3kqTRAhXhL8AKHe03BNcQ6AEIOTAG#v=sn ippet&q=Omani%20sultans%20of%20zanzibar%20had%20laid%20n ominal%20claim%20to&f=false), for the record. But yeah, the Portuguese didn't really get to form any settlements that I know of along the Somali coast. They had much more of an interesting influence on Abyssinians if anything (https://books.google.ae/books?id=kEtLkfpSkvoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false).

Lugus
01-02-2017, 07:50 PM
I estimated the average African DNA for you in you're case is 3%. Is the Sub Saharan African also on conservative?

Yes it is. Actually African looks like the most consistent and reliable of all my components ;)

Check out the Wikipedia article about African admixture in Europe, that mentions the major studies on the subject including Moorjani 2011:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

Lugus
01-02-2017, 08:09 PM
The Portuguese did wreck some havoc on the Somali coastline

Even Camões, the most famous Portuguese poet, was there. When I was in high school we had to read a poem he wrote about cape Guardafui.

Deftextra
01-02-2017, 09:10 PM
Ah, the Portuguese claims always seemed like slightly romantic claims, in my humble opinion. One knowledgeable Bravanese fellow even told me that it sometimes comes from (at least in his clan) a misunderstanding regarding their founder's story in that one branch of the founder's family is thought to have come on down to the Somali coast and another is thought to have gone far out north and eventually to the Iberian Peninsula (it's just a story though) and some mis-translate this as Hatimis being part Iberian... That's what he told me, anyway.


Yeah. I have never across this ancestry claim among us from my experience. Only some vague mentions on the NET that this might be possible, which probably amount to nothing. But do you think that their might have been some indirect connection (given that we are heavily admixed)? Sometimes I do get these small Segment matches. For example, I match with two Brazilians (father and son) 7-8cm at quite large snps 1900+. Which is about the same amount of snps of my Somali matches of the same size.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
01-03-2017, 11:49 AM
Well of course, yeah.



Yeah, seems alright. Relatively in-line with what I noticed. I'd say the "Asian" they notice is probably noise and your West-Eurasian affinities could stand to be a bit higher but it seems fine otherwise.




Ah, the Portuguese claims always seemed like slightly romantic claims, in my humble opinion. One knowledgeable Bravanese fellow even told me that it sometimes comes from (at least in his clan) a misunderstanding regarding their founder's story in that one branch of the founder's family is thought to have come on down to the Somali coast and another is thought to have gone far out north and eventually to the Iberian Peninsula (it's just a story though) and some mis-translate this as Hatimis being part Iberian... That's what he told me, anyway.

The Portuguese did wreck some havoc on the Somali coastline (they even burned Berbera and Zeila in the north, from what I recall) but, in the early stages, they were mostly held back by some sultanates in the northern areas (Adal and some others stationed out in the northeast and such) with the help of the Ottomans and by the Ajuran Imamate (along with their Sultanate of Mogadishu buddies) also with the help of the Ottomans in the south. In later times, the Ottomans holding the northwest and some of the central-north along with some Northeastern local sultanates + the likes of the Geledis and Omanis being present in the south is what ultimately held them off, I suppose. Omani "power" in the south was pretty nominal (https://books.google.ae/books?id=fb4UYAPUhYoC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=omani,+somalia,+nominal,+geledi&source=bl&ots=DfqFyHCo8U&sig=785JqfAF2YTlhKnxOun0gIrLbSk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8h7C3kqTRAhXhL8AKHe03BNcQ6AEIOTAG#v=sn ippet&q=Omani%20sultans%20of%20zanzibar%20had%20laid%20n ominal%20claim%20to&f=false), for the record. But yeah, the Portuguese didn't really get to form any settlements that I know of along the Somali coast. They had much more of an interesting influence on Abyssinians if anything (https://books.google.ae/books?id=kEtLkfpSkvoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false).

Romantic claims lol, the Portuguese claims shouldn't be taken to seriously at heart as they didn't have control of the Indian Ocean and it was just a small group of Armada tiny enough to not infiltrate the genepool of the people of the East Coast of Africa. If there was any mixing it would also be diluted by now. Some people however do emphasise on it, but very few do I guess...

Awale
01-03-2017, 11:35 PM
Sometimes I do get these small Segment matches. For example, I match with two Brazilians (father and son) 7-8cm at quite large snps 1900+. Which is about the same amount of snps of my Somali matches of the same size.

Do you match with any Iberians at 10cm or more? I also get some large matches with random Europeans (Brits et al.) at that level (more than with some fellow Somalis). I don't think you can make much of this but it is a bit interesting, I suppose.



Romantic claims lol, the Portuguese claims shouldn't be taken to seriously at heart as they didn't have control of the Indian Ocean and it was just a small group of Armada tiny enough to not infiltrate the genepool of the people of the East Coast of Africa. If there was any mixing it would also be diluted by now. Some people however do emphasise on it, but very few do I guess...

Heheheh, I was using "romantic" in the more "adventurous" sense. :)

Deftextra
01-04-2017, 12:28 AM
Do you match with any Iberians at 10cm or more? I also get some large matches with random Europeans (Brits et al.) at that level (more than with some fellow Somalis).

Yeah. Its kind of difficult\impossible to deduce anything meanigfull from these type of matches I guess. It only got to my attention, because I was getting larger segement matches of this type over time, and they keep comming ever so often (mostly on ancestryDNA). I match one spaniard (11.1cm) and 2 (what look like mexicans) at 10.6&10.7 cm. One of the mexican has uploaded to ged-match.

But as you said, at this point its hard make anything of these matches other than a curious observation.:\

Angoliga
01-05-2017, 03:02 AM
Romantic claims lol, the Portuguese claims shouldn't be taken to seriously at heart as they didn't have control of the Indian Ocean and it was just a small group of Armada tiny enough to not infiltrate the genepool of the people of the East Coast of Africa. If there was any mixing it would also be diluted by now. Some people however do emphasise on it, but very few do I guess...

I couldn't help but think of Fort Jesus (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1295) with the topic of Portuguese hegemony on the Swahili Coast. Have you visited it back home in Kenya? I'ts quite impressionable -- apparently it's the most visited attraction in Mombasa. I came across it after considering the East-African slave trade as the culprit for some of my diasporic matches -- which included a distant match from the island of Mauritius, just east of Madagascar.

I'd say the Portuguese must have had a decent grip of this side of the Indian Ocean if they were able to construct such a fort (1593-1596) without being besieged until literally a century later (1696 (http://mombasa-city.com/history_of_Fort_jesus.htm)). Maybe 100 years is enough time to spread some DNA among some locals, however granular of an impact that might be.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
01-05-2017, 03:28 AM
I couldn't help but think of Fort Jesus (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1295) with the topic of Portuguese hegemony on the Swahili Coast. Have you visited it back home in Kenya? I'ts quite impressionable -- apparently it's the most visited attraction in Mombasa. I came across it after considering the East-African slave trade as the culprit for some of my diasporic matches -- which included a distant match from the island of Mauritius, just east of Madagascar.

I'd say the Portuguese must have had a decent grip of this side of the Indian Ocean if they were able to construct such a fort (1593-1596) without being besieged until literally a century later (1696 (http://mombasa-city.com/history_of_Fort_jesus.htm)). Maybe 100 years is enough time to spread some DNA among some locals, however granular of an impact that might be.


I have visited it indeed I got a historical tour from the tour guide as well as the beautiful scenery. It's a shame a lot of Mombasa got destroyed by the Portuguese armada as it used to be a beautiful city state built by africans with the inspiration ofcourse from the Middle East. There are still people who live near fort jesus in what is now Mombasa Old town. My family however reside a bit West in Mombasa hat is now Changamwe which was an old Persian town from what my grandfather told me.

About the Portuguese DNA there was a settlement in Malindi which is a different town near Mombasa that had some Portuguese influence like a church was built and a statue of Vasco. There are also some Swahili's who became Christian because of this but a small population converted so the possibility is there

Deftextra
01-25-2017, 08:26 PM
Swahilli from Kenya results:
eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 39.08
2 Northeast_African 17.40
3 East_Med 14.26
4 West_Asian 10.70
5 South_Asian 7.18
6 Red_Sea 6.23
7 Baltic 2.32
8 East_Asian 1.33


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sandawe @ 34.458488
2 San @ 35.598007
3 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 37.757275
4 Bantu_N.E. @ 38.796341
5 Luhya @ 39.965855
6 Maasai @ 41.076607
7 Mozabite_Berber @ 42.940231
8 Algerian @ 43.748692
9 Tunisian @ 43.753174
10 Biaka_Pygmy @ 44.523670
11 Sudanese @ 45.369011
12 Moroccan @ 45.501175
13 Egyptian @ 45.893177
14 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 48.729942
15 Hadza @ 48.778065
16 Bedouin @ 48.873020
17 Bantu_S.E. @ 49.323154
18 Jordanian @ 49.543873
19 Syrian @ 50.228413
20 Turkmen @ 50.787048

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Luhya +50% Syrian @ 10.554749


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bantu_N.E. +25% Egyptian +25% Makrani @ 5.604301


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun + Biaka_Pygmy + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.825962
2 Biaka_Pygmy + Burusho + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.900704
3 Biaka_Pygmy + Mbuti_Pygmy + Pathan + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.068442
4 Biaka_Pygmy + Kalash + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.115997
5 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_S.W. + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.238331
6 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_S.E. + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.264827
7 Bantu_S.W. + Burusho + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.275941
8 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_S.E. + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.300908
9 Bantu_S.E. + Burusho + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.325365
10 Afghan_Pashtun + Biaka_Pygmy + Egyptian + Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.365402
11 Bantu_S.E. + Burusho + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.365632
12 Afghan_Pashtun + Luhya + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.439345
13 Bantu_S.W. + Pathan + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.443419
14 Afghan_Pashtun + Luhya + Luhya + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.447153
15 Biaka_Pygmy + Egyptian + Makrani + Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.469467
16 Bantu_S.E. + Pathan + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.483831
17 Burusho + Luhya + Luhya + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.490492
18 Bantu_S.E. + Mbuti_Pygmy + Pathan + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.516107
19 Burusho + Luhya + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.516137
20 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_N.E. + Egyptian @ 5.516953


Near East Neolithic K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SUB_SAHARAN 51.87
2 NATUFIAN 12.07
3 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 11.56
4 CHG_EEF 6.52
5 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 5.99
6 EHG 4.73
7 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 4.13
8 SE_ASIAN 2.37


Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Masai @ 27.935091
2 Hadza @ 30.779415
3 Mota @ 32.180840
4 Somali @ 36.946602
5 Moroccan @ 40.931740
6 Algerian @ 44.849243
7 Saharawi @ 45.971184
8 Yemeni @ 46.358269
9 Gambian @ 48.593754
10 Egyptian @ 48.643448
11 Libyan @ 49.149403
12 Esan @ 52.152782
13 Yoruba @ 52.152782
14 BedouinA @ 52.613327
15 Jordanian @ 53.639023
16 Syrian @ 54.448944
17 Palestinian @ 55.523037
18 Lebanese @ 55.902943
19 Iranian_Bandari @ 56.235989
20 Jew_Libyan @ 57.416561

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Esan +50% Syrian @ 8.744570


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Gambian +25% Kalash +25% Libyan @ 3.850812


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Gambian + Gambian + Kalash + Libyan @ 3.850812
2 Gambian + Gambian + Libyan + Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.926904
3 Gambian + Gambian + Kurd_SE + Libyan @ 3.944209
4 Gambian + Gambian + Libyan + Pathan @ 3.967372
5 Esan + Kurd_SE + Moroccan + Mota @ 3.994088
6 Kurd_SE + Moroccan + Mota + Yoruba @ 3.994088
7 Algerian + Esan + Kurd_SE + Mota @ 4.035224
8 Algerian + Kurd_SE + Mota + Yoruba @ 4.035224
9 Esan + Gambian + Libyan + Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.035649
10 Gambian + Libyan + Pashtun_Afghan + Yoruba @ 4.035649
11 Esan + Hadza + Kurd_SE + Moroccan @ 4.062746
12 Hadza + Kurd_SE + Moroccan + Yoruba @ 4.062746
13 Burusho + Gambian + Gambian + Libyan @ 4.071908
14 Esan + Gambian + Kalash + Libyan @ 4.073903
15 Gambian + Kalash + Libyan + Yoruba @ 4.073903
16 Algerian + Gambian + Gambian + Kurd_SE @ 4.141057
17 Esan + Hadza + Kalash + Moroccan @ 4.161185
18 Hadza + Kalash + Moroccan + Yoruba @ 4.161185
19 Esan + Kalash + Moroccan + Mota @ 4.161371
20 Kalash + Moroccan + Mota + Yoruba @ 4.161371

Done.

Elapsed time 0.4155 seconds.

Deftextra
01-27-2017, 05:22 PM
The individual above matches some of my cousins (including a full ethinic Somali). The largest match is a total of 26.3cm with largest segment 12cm. I cheched these segements on multiple calculators. In HarrapaWorld the 12cm segement is almost entirly caucasian, while the smaller segment is a combination of indian, SWasian, with a small amount of W-African and NE-euro.

I asked if he/she had any connection to Somalia. She replied that "According to my family history , the Arab an Indian in me came from my great, great grandfather that came from Turkey to Kenya and also married in Ras Kamboni in Somalia."

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
01-27-2017, 06:14 PM
Swahilli from Kenya results:
eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 39.08
2 Northeast_African 17.40
3 East_Med 14.26
4 West_Asian 10.70
5 South_Asian 7.18
6 Red_Sea 6.23
7 Baltic 2.32
8 East_Asian 1.33


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sandawe @ 34.458488
2 San @ 35.598007
3 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 37.757275
4 Bantu_N.E. @ 38.796341
5 Luhya @ 39.965855
6 Maasai @ 41.076607
7 Mozabite_Berber @ 42.940231
8 Algerian @ 43.748692
9 Tunisian @ 43.753174
10 Biaka_Pygmy @ 44.523670
11 Sudanese @ 45.369011
12 Moroccan @ 45.501175
13 Egyptian @ 45.893177
14 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 48.729942
15 Hadza @ 48.778065
16 Bedouin @ 48.873020
17 Bantu_S.E. @ 49.323154
18 Jordanian @ 49.543873
19 Syrian @ 50.228413
20 Turkmen @ 50.787048

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Luhya +50% Syrian @ 10.554749


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bantu_N.E. +25% Egyptian +25% Makrani @ 5.604301


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun + Biaka_Pygmy + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.825962
2 Biaka_Pygmy + Burusho + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.900704
3 Biaka_Pygmy + Mbuti_Pygmy + Pathan + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.068442
4 Biaka_Pygmy + Kalash + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.115997
5 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_S.W. + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.238331
6 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_S.E. + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.264827
7 Bantu_S.W. + Burusho + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.275941
8 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_S.E. + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.300908
9 Bantu_S.E. + Burusho + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.325365
10 Afghan_Pashtun + Biaka_Pygmy + Egyptian + Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.365402
11 Bantu_S.E. + Burusho + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.365632
12 Afghan_Pashtun + Luhya + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.439345
13 Bantu_S.W. + Pathan + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.443419
14 Afghan_Pashtun + Luhya + Luhya + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.447153
15 Biaka_Pygmy + Egyptian + Makrani + Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.469467
16 Bantu_S.E. + Pathan + San + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.483831
17 Burusho + Luhya + Luhya + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.490492
18 Bantu_S.E. + Mbuti_Pygmy + Pathan + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.516107
19 Burusho + Luhya + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.516137
20 Afghan_Pashtun + Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_N.E. + Egyptian @ 5.516953


Near East Neolithic K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SUB_SAHARAN 51.87
2 NATUFIAN 12.07
3 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 11.56
4 CHG_EEF 6.52
5 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 5.99
6 EHG 4.73
7 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 4.13
8 SE_ASIAN 2.37


Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Masai @ 27.935091
2 Hadza @ 30.779415
3 Mota @ 32.180840
4 Somali @ 36.946602
5 Moroccan @ 40.931740
6 Algerian @ 44.849243
7 Saharawi @ 45.971184
8 Yemeni @ 46.358269
9 Gambian @ 48.593754
10 Egyptian @ 48.643448
11 Libyan @ 49.149403
12 Esan @ 52.152782
13 Yoruba @ 52.152782
14 BedouinA @ 52.613327
15 Jordanian @ 53.639023
16 Syrian @ 54.448944
17 Palestinian @ 55.523037
18 Lebanese @ 55.902943
19 Iranian_Bandari @ 56.235989
20 Jew_Libyan @ 57.416561

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Esan +50% Syrian @ 8.744570


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Gambian +25% Kalash +25% Libyan @ 3.850812


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Gambian + Gambian + Kalash + Libyan @ 3.850812
2 Gambian + Gambian + Libyan + Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.926904
3 Gambian + Gambian + Kurd_SE + Libyan @ 3.944209
4 Gambian + Gambian + Libyan + Pathan @ 3.967372
5 Esan + Kurd_SE + Moroccan + Mota @ 3.994088
6 Kurd_SE + Moroccan + Mota + Yoruba @ 3.994088
7 Algerian + Esan + Kurd_SE + Mota @ 4.035224
8 Algerian + Kurd_SE + Mota + Yoruba @ 4.035224
9 Esan + Gambian + Libyan + Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.035649
10 Gambian + Libyan + Pashtun_Afghan + Yoruba @ 4.035649
11 Esan + Hadza + Kurd_SE + Moroccan @ 4.062746
12 Hadza + Kurd_SE + Moroccan + Yoruba @ 4.062746
13 Burusho + Gambian + Gambian + Libyan @ 4.071908
14 Esan + Gambian + Kalash + Libyan @ 4.073903
15 Gambian + Kalash + Libyan + Yoruba @ 4.073903
16 Algerian + Gambian + Gambian + Kurd_SE @ 4.141057
17 Esan + Hadza + Kalash + Moroccan @ 4.161185
18 Hadza + Kalash + Moroccan + Yoruba @ 4.161185
19 Esan + Kalash + Moroccan + Mota @ 4.161371
20 Kalash + Moroccan + Mota + Yoruba @ 4.161371

Done.

Elapsed time 0.4155 seconds.


Nice to see a fellow Swahilis result. This Swahili is likely to be a Bajuni from Pate or Lamu in North Coast Kenya. The Bajuni are a subgroup of the Swahili they tend to be a very mixed group.

Deftextra
01-27-2017, 06:45 PM
This Swahili is likely to be a Bajuni from Pate or Lamu in North Coast Kenya. The Bajuni are a subgroup of the Swahili they tend to be a very mixed group.

Actually makes sense given what she told me so far.

Angoliga
02-10-2017, 02:52 AM
I met a Tanzanian at work yesterday. I like to think I can give a good guess, especially among Africans but I couldn't have been more off from guessing his ethnicity. I could've sworn he was a modern Egyptian but it turns out he's a mixture of Indian, native Tanzanian and Dutch. Maybe he'd be interested in taking a DNA test? It's his first week at the office though, so maybe I'll wait a while longer before I spring the DNA convo :nerd: - I'll give it a few more run-ins at the coffee-break rm:)



Edited: *I forgot to mention, he was born in Dar

Deftextra
02-10-2017, 03:48 PM
I met a Tanzanian at work yesterday. I like to think I can give a good guess, especially among Africans but I couldn't have been more off from guessing his ethnicity. I could've sworn he was a modern Egyptian but it turns out he's a mixture of Indian, native Tanzanian and Dutch. Maybe he'd be interested in taking a DNA test? It's his first week at the office though, so maybe I'll wait a while longer before I spring the DNA convo :nerd: - I'll give it a few more run-ins at the coffee-break rm:)

Intresting. I and my 3 closest cousins match distantly a Tanzanian (on ancestryDNA) who is mixture of indian, middle-eastern, and what looks like british&irish. + a bunch of trace regions, including what I assume is comming from native tanzanian admixture. I was suprised that this individual was from tanzanzia and identifies as Tanzanian, since her Native tanzanian admixture was only a trace region. Not to mention her surname has the highest fequency in Tanzanzia and is more than 2 times the frequency of the surname outside of Tanzania.

edit: More specifically from Zanzibar.

Angoliga
02-10-2017, 04:32 PM
Intresting. I and my 3 closest cousins match distantly a Tanzanian (on ancestryDNA) who is mixture of indian, middle-eastern, and what looks like british&irish. + a bunch of trace regions, including what I assume is comming from native tanzanian admixture. I was suprised that this individual was from tanzanzia and identifies as Tanzanian, since her Native tanzanian admixture was only a trace region. Not to mention her surname has the highest fequency in Tanzanzia and is more than 2 times the frequency of the surname outside of Tanzania.

Do you know if his dutch admixure is recent?

Alright, correction - he's of partial German descent (p. grandfather), not Dutch :doh:. I guess that makes a lot of more sense given their early colonial history.

I mentioned you (Deftextra) and the blog, he said there's many Tanzanians of Somali descent - so, no wonder your closest matches have a few distant cousins down there. How closely related is the distant TZ match to your closest matches?

Deftextra
02-10-2017, 05:28 PM
Alright, correction - he's of partial German descent (p. grandfather), not Dutch :doh:. I guess that makes a lot of more sense given their early colonial history.

I mentioned you (Deftextra) and the blog, he said there's many Tanzanians of Somali descent - so, no wonder your closest matches have a few distant cousins down there. How closely related is the distant TZ match to your closest matches?

I match this individual at only 1, 8cm segement. However, this is probably the only match of this size that I share with my closely related cousins and I am not sure how much they match this individual. So who knows. I have seen this happen before where I match someone at only one 9cm segement, while at least one of my cousins matches him/her at multiple segement of a total 25 cm say.

nee4speed111
02-27-2017, 08:50 AM
Some results of copts on 23andme

http://i.imgur.com/nH0gwrD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2UgRm29.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/R3Tgi43.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AfZLHjl.jpg

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Kurumim
03-09-2017, 12:12 AM
my senegal river valley is higher than yours lol and im only 11% african

JFWinstone
03-09-2017, 01:51 AM
My mum had a new Tanzanian match whose parents were Tanzanian and Somali. Their family were from Zanzibar, Dar es Salaam and Baraawe. Their main regions are Middle East, African South Eastern Bantu and Asia South. Only European they had was European Jewish in their trace regions which my mother doesn't have.

Deftextra
03-12-2017, 02:37 AM
My mum had a new Tanzanian match whose parents were Tanzanian and Somali. Their family were from Zanzibar, Dar es Salaam and Baraawe. Their main regions are Middle East, African South Eastern Bantu and Asia South. Only European they had was European Jewish in their trace regions which my mother doesn't have.

Intresting. Was this on AncestryDNA? I might match this person. Those are the main regions what somali Benadiris (mogdishu, merka&baraawe) usually score aswell.

fished
03-12-2017, 05:15 AM
Yeah. I sometimes come across this vague mention of Portuguese ancestry aswell. However, from the results I have seen so far, there no obvious indication of any European ancestry. We sometimes score small amounts, but this is most likely coming from our Middle-Eastern and south-Asian ancestry. I think its very unlikely anyway for such ancestry to have come directly, since the Portuguese never had any foothold, except for Barawa , but it only lasted for 3 days and they got expelled soon after.

I have come across this interesting (outdated and no references) page which mentions:
"In the early 20th century there was an area within the city of Mogadishu that was inhabited by seamen and traders. Some of these traders claimed part Portuguese and part Indian ancestry."


http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConNarrative.109/chapterId/2310/outputFormat/print/The-Somali-Community-in-the-Port-of-London.html

The area they are talking about is probably "xamar weyne", which is the oldest part of Mogadishu and where our clans used to live. I remember my mother mentioning some years ago that various different "foreigners" used to live there as well. I have various cousins which I am told actually have recent ancestries from these communities. It would be interesting to see how they would score.

Edit: I actually match with a bunch of Iberians and part Iberians on ancestryDNA (6-11cm single segments).

A little OT, but on 23andme I matched with some full southern coastal Iranians (in fact, hilariously, Iran was one of my top 3 countries of ancestry back when 23andme still had that feature) and Vietnamese. Both regions were never directly colonized by Portugal, but Portuguese sailors still had substantial bases/presences there in the 16th and 17th centuries. Since these matches tended to score a tiny amount of Southern European, we came to the conclusion that we were probably related through my Portuguese side.

So I wouldn't discount some Portuguese descendants running around in coastal East Africa and other unexpected places. I know some groups in Lamu and Pemba explicitly claim Portuguese ancestry.

Also don't forget that in addition to Portuguese sailors and soldiers directly affiliated to the Crown and the Empire, there was also the phenomenon of "renegados" (Portuguese soldiers, especially in India and Southeast Asia, who deserted and became mercenaries in the service of various local rulers, sometimes converting to Islam and even fighting against their countrymen; Felipe de Brito e Nicote is one example), as well as backwoodsmen like "lançados" or "sertanejos", who became independent traders, often settling in remote parts of Africa and taking native wives in order to form trade alliances with local groups.

So just because the "official" Portuguese presence in places like the Persian Gulf or the Swahili Coast was short-lived doesn't mean that some wayward adventurers might not have settled there.

JFWinstone
03-13-2017, 09:39 AM
Intresting. Was this on AncestryDNA? I might match this person. Those are the main regions what somali Benadiris (mogdishu, merka&baraawe) usually score aswell.

Yeah they were on AncestryDNA :thumb:

Monk307
03-17-2017, 07:21 PM
My results:

I am from the Northern Dir clan family. Samaroon to be precise.


Autosomal
https://s3.postimg.org/9i5dg7cyb/autosomal_jpeg.jpg





Y-DNA
https://s3.postimg.org/xba5mwuz7/Haplogroup_T_jpeg.jpg




mtDNA
https://s7.postimg.org/9s20udecr/mt_DNA_jpeg.jpg

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
03-18-2017, 06:27 PM
I dont know if ive already posted this but here are my ancestrydna results from last year.

14598

jaderose22
03-18-2017, 08:51 PM
I also forgot to point out that two of my GGG grandfathers were Middle Eastern from what my grandfather's told me so the 6% Middle Eastern percentage aint a shocker. My grandmother thought she had European In her because her dad looked mixed apparently she has a picture of him i havent seen tho. I also started a thread regarding how common lose tight hair, light brown skin and blue eyes were in Central Kenya just to see if there was a possibility. Then again the DNA tests I've taken have me as little to no European in my admixture.

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:
puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Kit M707191

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 83.47
2 South_African_HG 5.31
3 Near_East 4.46
4 Anatolian_NF 3.9
5 Beringian 1.01
6 Oceanian 0.76
7 South_Asian 0.58
8 Amerindian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 NE_Bantu 6.01
2 African_American 13.1
3 Mandinka 13.29
4 Esan 13.88
5 Bambaran 15.09
6 Yoruba 17.59
7 Maasai 24.91
8 Somali 46.12
9 Oromo 49.1
10 Ethiopian 55.5
11 Somali_Benadiri 60.05
12 Algerian 78.02
13 Saharawi 78.11
14 Tunisian 80.62
15 Mozabite_Berber 80.66
16 Yemeni 80.7
17 Egyptian 87.06
18 BedouinA 90.45
19 Jordanian 93.09
20 Lebanese 94.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% NE_Bantu + 6.7% Algerian @ 2.1
2 93.5% NE_Bantu + 6.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.14
3 93.3% NE_Bantu + 6.7% Saharawi @ 2.24
4 93.5% NE_Bantu + 6.5% Tunisian @ 2.27
5 94.5% NE_Bantu + 5.5% Libyan_Jew @ 2.37
6 94.7% NE_Bantu + 5.3% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.38
7 95.2% NE_Bantu + 4.8% Sardinian @ 2.4
8 94.8% NE_Bantu + 5.2% Turkish_Jew @ 2.41
9 94.6% NE_Bantu + 5.4% Moroccan_Jew @ 2.41
10 89.9% NE_Bantu + 10.1% Oromo @ 2.46
11 89.4% NE_Bantu + 10.6% Somali @ 2.48
12 91% NE_Bantu + 9% Ethiopian @ 2.5
13 94.6% NE_Bantu + 5.4% Spanish_Canaries @ 2.5
14 94.7% NE_Bantu + 5.3% Sicilian_West @ 2.56
15 94.1% NE_Bantu + 5.9% Egyptian @ 2.57
16 94.9% NE_Bantu + 5.1% Spanish_Southwest @ 2.59
17 94.8% NE_Bantu + 5.2% Sicilian_East @ 2.61
18 94.9% NE_Bantu + 5.1% Tuscan @ 2.67
19 94.9% NE_Bantu + 5.1% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.69
20 94.4% NE_Bantu + 5.6% BedouinA

Why is it my oracles look like yours maybe a tad closer with north African heritage but I have no north African on ethnic maps or on ancestrydna. My mom did 23andme and got no north African heritage just west African? Her distance was a but further than mine though. And how come I got no Irish or European in my oracles? I'm 0-32% European (I have crazy ranges). But never get Irish (I'm a total of 0-6% Irish ancestry) which is my largest European component but it never shows on my oracles. Ive gotten Italian on my oracles as a possible grandparent and I have no Italian heritage. Its the only region in Europe that I don't have any of.

JFWinstone
03-18-2017, 11:53 PM
The oracles can get a bit crazy if you are mixed. I know mine and my mum's are a bit bizarre at times.

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 12:46 AM
The oracles can get a bit crazy if you are mixed. I know mine and my mum's are a bit bizarre at times.

I didnt know you'd be considered mixed.... I'm 90% African on full estimates well depending. Gedmatch I'm about 86-87% African 90% on ancestrydna and 87% on dnaland subsaharan Africa. I have 2.4% north African heritage on DNA land. Only place I can actually see a map with north African heritage on it. Never really considered that mixed. But I guess if you're considered mixed I'm sorta mixed on a genetic level.

JFWinstone
03-19-2017, 12:44 PM
I didnt know you'd be considered mixed.... I'm 90% African on full estimates well depending. Gedmatch I'm about 86-87% African 90% on ancestrydna and 87% on dnaland subsaharan Africa. I have 2.4% north African heritage on DNA land. Only place I can actually see a map with north African heritage on it. Never really considered that mixed. But I guess if you're considered mixed I'm sorta mixed on a genetic level.

I misread your post and thought it said you were 32% European. Yeah my mum is 1/2 Mauritian (Afro-asian) and 1/2 British. So I'm 1/4 Mauritian. The racists in my family sure remind me all the time that I'm mixed >:( Not that it is something to be ashamed of mind ;)

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 05:28 PM
I misread your post and thought it said you were 32% European. Yeah my mum is 1/2 Mauritian (Afro-asian) and 1/2 British. So I'm 1/4 Mauritian. The racists in my family sure remind me all the time that I'm mixed >:( Not that it is something to be ashamed of mind ;)

I misposted here my bad my estimation is 80% on ancestry not 90. Anyhow on ancestrydna I'm in range from 0-32% European heritage. So I could have no European heritage or 32% my African heritage is even more shaky going fro. 32%-100%. Its just my ranges are all over the place. My family is black but other black Americans always thinkwe have Arabic in us. I'm 0-1% Arab and the estimate is so small it didnt even get counted on ancestrydna lol. Gedmatch though found a great deal of it but only on calculators that included just Palestinian and not European.

Even though some eurogenes really recognize my mena roots. Like k13

Population
North_Atlantic 3.46
Baltic 2.45
West_Med 0.32
West_Asian 1.48
East_Med 1.17
Red_Sea 1.05
South_Asian 0.65
East_Asian 0.48
Siberian 1.11
Amerindian 0.30
Oceanian 0.17
Northeast_African 6.86
Sub-Saharan 80.50
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet




1 Bantu_S.W. @ 9.347563
2 Mandenka @ 9.561150
3 Bantu_S.E. @ 9.868145
4 Biaka_Pygmy @ 15.169652
5 Yoruban @ 15.916753
6 Yoruban @ 15.916753
7 Luhya @ 20.381702
8 Bantu_N.E. @ 21.128548
9 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 30.185829
10 San @ 39.840244
11 Sandawe @ 61.010647
12 Sudanese @ 63.954697
13 Maasai @ 68.999092
14 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 69.374374
15 Hadza @ 73.879906
16 Mozabite_Berber @ 78.514175
17 Algerian @ 80.087151
18 Tunisian @ 80.175728
19 Moroccan @ 81.825874
20 Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 85.423195




Population
North_Sea 2.93
Atlantic 1.46
Baltic 0.90
Eastern_Euro 1.38
West_Med 0.24
West_Asian 1.17
East_Med 0.37
Red_Sea 0.96
South_Asian 0.64
Southeast_Asian 0.49
Siberian 1.00
Amerindian 0.22
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 6.41
Sub-Saharan 81.79
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bantu_S.W. @ 8.873012
2 Bantu_S.E. @ 9.253202
3 Mandenka @ 9.269141
4 Biaka_Pygmy @ 12.932524
5 Yoruban @ 15.018862
6 Yoruban @ 15.018862
7 Luhya @ 18.812857
8 Bantu_N.E. @ 19.379433
9 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 25.630642
10 San @ 39.555080
11 Sudanese @ 52.645153
12 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 59.014446
13 Sandawe @ 63.360073
14 Maasai @ 68.694878
15 Hadza @ 73.160416
16 Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 78.811478
17 Mozabite_Berber @ 79.566864
18 Algerian @ 80.567375
19 Tunisian @ 80.775795
20 Moroccan @ 82.651581



But my ancestrydna results showed 0% north African heritage it estimated 0% for the middle eastern but with a 0-1% range which I was told it meant it was too small to count. My mom did the teat at 23and me and got similar results only on gedmatch she's much more Igbo while I'm much more Hausa Fulani... I think my dads family looms filani while myom's looks Fulani or Hausa.


I also get a lot of eastern African results at gedmatch

Like my ane k7 is more eastern African than west which idk what that even means
ANE 4.76
ASE 1.37
WHG-UHG 6.23
East_Eurasian 0.49
West_African 17.08
East_African 69.50
ENF 0.57

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 0.38
EAST_EURO 3.09
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 1.51
ATLANTIC 1.96
WEST_MED 0.58
ASHKENAZI 1.71
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN -
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.03
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.64
EAST_AFRICAN 18.59
EAST_ASIAN 0.98
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 69.55
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet



Yoruba @ 8.431117
2 Luhya @ 12.819365
3 Maasai @ 55.419506
4 Algerian @ 72.214546
5 Mozabite_Berber @ 74.444916
6 Moroccan @ 74.882614
7 Somali @ 77.576309
8 Ethiopian @ 78.362778
9 RO @ 79.390511
10 Serbian @ 79.464523
11 HU @ 79.981255
12 PT @ 80.044540
13 AT @ 80.315781
14 North_Italian @ 80.678833
15 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 80.907532
16 Tuscan @ 81.131950
17 AJ @ 81.240814
18 ES @ 81.296288
19 FR @ 81.691597
20 West_&_Central_German @ 81.978966


The oracle is wrong because I have no Italian that's the only European region I don't have any of actually.


Luhya + Luhya + Luhya + Yoruba @ 10.099042
2 Luhya + Luhya + Luhya + Luhya @ 12.819365
3 Algerian + Luhya + Luhya + Yoruba @ 18.215229
4 Luhya + Luhya + Serbian + Yoruba @ 18.272161
5 Luhya + Luhya + RO + Yoruba @ 18.324965
6 HU + Luhya + Luhya + Yoruba @ 18.331112
7 AT + Luhya + Luhya + Yoruba @ 18.344585
8 Luhya + Luhya + Maasai + Yoruba @ 18.576515
9 Luhya + Luhya + PT + Yoruba @ 18.638630
10 Luhya + Luhya + West_&_Central_German + Yoruba @ 18.695389
11 FR + Luhya + Luhya + Yoruba @ 18.750252
12 Luhya + Luhya + Moroccan + Yoruba @ 18.753553
13 East_Russian + Luhya + Luhya + Yoruba @ 18.763098
14 Luhya + Luhya + NL + Yoruba @ 18.769060
15 Luhya + Luhya + North_Italian + Yoruba @ 18.800034
16 Luhya + Luhya + Udmurt + Yoruba @ 18.832333
17 Luhya + Luhya + Ukrainian-Russian + Yoruba @ 18.849752
18 ES + Luhya + Luhya + Yoruba @ 18.852167
19 Luhya + Luhya + West_Russian + Yoruba @ 18.863720
20 Luhya + Luhya + North_Swedish + Yoruba @ 18.869164



My dna.land actually put that I was 12% east African I thought for a sec I had east African root especially since I look a lot like them. But my mom took 23andme which tests east African and got no east African heritage whatsoever. My dad would be the one with more east African heritage but for one I can't come up with how I could get it. So I'm guessing hes just Fulani. Not I'm doing 23andme as of right now so I'll find out soon from the results.


My mom though has a less red sea component but generally the same results as mine

Population
North_Atlantic 2.00
Baltic 2.29
West_Med 0.19
West_Asian -
East_Med 3.96
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.58
East_Asian 0.82
Siberian 0.35
Amerindian 0.09
Oceanian 0.19
Northeast_African 6.20
Sub-Saharan 83.33
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet


population approximation:
1 Mandenka @ 7.405473
2 Bantu_S.W. @ 8.743330
3 Bantu_S.E. @ 9.923403
4 Yoruban @ 13.298465
5 Yoruban @ 13.298465
6 Biaka_Pygmy @ 16.434046
7 Luhya @ 22.247015
8 Bantu_N.E. @ 23.037470
9 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 32.158802
10 San @ 42.037945
11 Sandawe @ 63.271927
12 Sudanese @ 66.213493
13 Maasai @ 71.574165
14 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 71.652740
15 Hadza @ 76.326279
16 Mozabite_Berber @ 80.543106
17 Tunisian @ 82.047478
18 Algerian @ 82.085556
19 Moroccan @ 83.937965
20 Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 87.770561


North_Sea 2.13
Atlantic 0.67
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro 2.89
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med 2.64
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.34
Southeast_Asian 0.82
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.09
Northeast_African 5.90
Sub-Saharan 84.50
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet



Mandenka @ 7.246794
2 Bantu_S.W. @ 8.039039
3 Bantu_S.E. @ 9.043517
4 Yoruban @ 12.566868
5 Yoruban @ 12.566868
6 Biaka_Pygmy @ 13.915922
7 Luhya @ 20.402849
8 Bantu_N.E. @ 21.087723
9 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 27.395960
10 San @ 41.536186
11 Sudanese @ 54.696579
12 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 61.092541
13 Sandawe @ 65.668839
14 Maasai @ 71.095734
15 Hadza @ 75.337341
16 Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 80.949524
17 Mozabite_Berber @ 81.774315
18 Algerian @ 82.728699
19 Tunisian @ 82.870186
20 Moroccan @ 84.898842



Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African 2.25
Central_Euro 0.32
East_African 6.96
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.24
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 1.14
Fennoscandian 0.44
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese 0.46
Italian 0.46
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.83
North_African 2.68
North_Atlantic 0.20
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 0.42
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.18
Pygmy 5.22
Siberian 0.22
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.01
West_African 76.95
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -


Our results side by side are hardly much different just different areas of Africa basically and I always have a little tad of the middle east

Amerindian 0.47
Arabian 0.14
Armenian 0.77
Basque -
Central_African 2.89
Central_Euro -
East_African 7.24
East_Asian 0.31
East_Balkan 0.22
East_Central_Asian 0.15
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.82
Fennoscandian 3.95
French -
Iberian 0.82
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 1.63
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 5.47
Siberian 0.17
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.56
West_African 74.31
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -



Also another thing is my mom isn't Jewish whcib she's actually proud of. And while I am very proud to be around 2% Jewish so that could also be the different component. Being counted as me on mine.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
03-19-2017, 06:24 PM
Has anyone elses 23andme ancestry composition been updated prior to the current transition? if so feel free to share.

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 07:19 PM
Wow at Swahili prince our results are almost exactly the same in that calculator and oracle in the 4 way version.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
03-19-2017, 07:27 PM
Wow at Swahili prince our results are almost exactly the same in that calculator and oracle in the 4 way version.

Which calculator?

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 07:35 PM
My mom is closer to NE Bantu. At 5.00001275 distance from n.e. Bantu... I'm like 7 distance. My Oracle is almost the same as yours in chronicle order.

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 07:36 PM
Which calculator?

The one you posted that I quoted. Were like identical almost on that one...

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 07:42 PM
This is my mom's from puntdnal

Using 1 population approximation:
1 NE_Bantu @ 5.002175
2 Mandinka @ 10.111842
3 Esan @ 10.866443
4 Bambaran @ 11.875690
5 African_American @ 12.127906
6 Yoruba @ 14.011145
7 Yoruba @ 14.011145
8 Maasai @ 28.002672
9 Somali @ 48.402195
10 Oromo @ 51.276833
11 Ethiopian @ 57.399910
12 Somali_Benadiri @ 60.984673
13 Algerian @ 78.778816
14 Saharawi @ 79.658936
15 Tunisian @ 81.588676
16 Mozabite_Berber @ 81.841385
17 Yemeni @ 81.867241
18 Egyptian @ 87.764275
19 BedouinA @ 90.942680
20 Jordanian @ 93.565758


This is mine.
1 NE_Bantu @ 7.737766
2 African_American @ 11.004911
3 Mandinka @ 12.184922
4 Esan @ 13.014538
5 Bambaran @ 13.944859
6 Yoruba @ 15.912828
7 Yoruba @ 15.912828
8 Maasai @ 27.486055
9 Somali @ 47.385143
10 Oromo @ 50.241108
11 Ethiopian @ 56.302761
12 Somali_Benadiri @ 60.027298
13 Algerian @ 77.267273
14 Saharawi @ 78.282959
15 Tunisian @ 80.075768
16 Mozabite_Berber @ 80.288460
17 Yemeni @ 80.788322
18 Egyptian @ 86.416183
19 BedouinA @ 89.587296
20 Jordanian @ 92.186104


The actual map is sorta similar. Around 84-85% subsaharan African


Sub-Saharan 84.28
Amerindian -
South_Asian -
Near_East 0.43
Siberian 1.59
European_HG 1.81
Caucasus_HG -
South_African_HG 3.82
Anatolian_NF 5.76
East_Asian 2.05
Oceanian -
Beringian .24



This is my mom's map for that calculator.
Population
Sub-Saharan 85.80
Amerindian 0.60
South_Asian 1.13
Near_East 1.65
Siberian 0.07
European_HG 1.87
Caucasus_HG -
South_African_HG 4.28
Anatolian_NF 4.20
East_Asian 0.40
Oceanian -
Beringian -
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
03-19-2017, 07:45 PM
Heres how i compare with a Kenyan Kikuyu on GEDmatch Dodecad Africa 9. This calculator is targeted at Africans with West Eurasian admixture. If you ask me Kikuyus dont have West Eurasian ancestry and if so its so ancient. Kikuyus are like 75% Bantu and 25% Masai (Nilotic). The sandawe adition to my results is a likely attribution to the close geographical proximity between Mombasa and Tanzania from my interpretation.

My results

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Kongo + 36.6% Maasai @ 2.94
2 66% Bamoun + 34% SANDAWE @ 4.18
3 61.5% Bamoun + 38.5% Maasai @ 4.24
4 91.6% Luhya + 8.4% Libya @ 4.54
5 91.8% Luhya + 8.2% Algeria @ 4.74
6 65.7% Fang + 34.3% Maasai @ 4.75
7 92.2% Luhya + 7.8% Moroccans @ 4.81
8 93% Luhya + 7% Sahara_OCC @ 4.83
9 92.3% Luhya + 7.7% North_African (Dodecad) @ 4.98
10 91.5% Luhya + 8.5% Morocco_S @ 5.07
11 93% Luhya + 7% Morocco_N @ 5.09
12 93.1% Luhya + 6.9% Egyptans @ 5.38
13 68.1% Kongo + 31.9% SANDAWE @ 5.39
14 94.5% Luhya + 5.5% TUNISIA @ 5.39
15 93.2% Luhya + 6.8% Egypt @ 5.41
16 94.3% Luhya + 5.7% Mozabite @ 5.41
17 95.2% Luhya + 4.8% Biaka_Pygmies @ 5.51
18 93.2% Luhya + 6.8% Yemenese @ 5.54
19 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% Bedouin @ 5.56
20 94.9% Luhya + 5.1% Yemen_Jews @ 5.62

Kikuyu results

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Luhya + 30.4% East_African (Dodecad) @ 4.47
2 69.1% Luhya + 30.9% Ethiopians @ 4.59
3 69.6% Luhya + 30.4% Ethiopian_Jews @ 4.68
4 70.4% Bantu_N.E. + 29.6% East_African (Dodecad) @ 5.72
5 70.5% Bantu_N.E. + 29.5% Ethiopian_Jews @ 6.13
6 70% Bantu_N.E. + 30% Ethiopians @ 6.19
7 57.7% Maasai + 42.3% Kongo @ 6.64
8 56.1% Maasai + 43.9% Fang @ 7
9 52.4% SANDAWE + 47.6% Bamoun @ 7.72
10 59.3% Maasai + 40.7% Bamoun @ 7.91
11 50.9% SANDAWE + 49.1% Kongo @ 7.93
12 56.3% SANDAWE + 43.7% Igbo @ 8.19
13 55.3% SANDAWE + 44.7% Hausa @ 8.49
14 57% SANDAWE + 43% Yoruba @ 8.62
15 50.8% Fang + 49.2% SANDAWE @ 8.84
16 58.4% SANDAWE + 41.6% Brong @ 8.91
17 62.1% Luhya + 37.9% Maasai @ 9.39
18 51.9% Kongo + 48.1% Ethiopians @ 9.75
19 68.9% Luhya + 31.1% SANDAWE @ 9.81
20 53.6% Fang + 46.4% Ethiopians @ 10.02

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 07:59 PM
Heres how i compare with a Kenyan Kikuyu on GEDmatch Dodecad Africa 9. This calculator is targeted at Africans with West Eurasian admixture. If you ask me Kikuyus dont have West Eurasian ancestry and if so its so ancient. Kikuyus are like 75% Bantu and 25% Masai (Nilotic). The sandawe adition to my results is a likely attribution to the close geographical proximity between Mombasa and Tanzania from my interpretation.

My results

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Kongo + 36.6% Maasai @ 2.94
2 66% Bamoun + 34% SANDAWE @ 4.18
3 61.5% Bamoun + 38.5% Maasai @ 4.24
4 91.6% Luhya + 8.4% Libya @ 4.54
5 91.8% Luhya + 8.2% Algeria @ 4.74
6 65.7% Fang + 34.3% Maasai @ 4.75
7 92.2% Luhya + 7.8% Moroccans @ 4.81
8 93% Luhya + 7% Sahara_OCC @ 4.83
9 92.3% Luhya + 7.7% North_African (Dodecad) @ 4.98
10 91.5% Luhya + 8.5% Morocco_S @ 5.07
11 93% Luhya + 7% Morocco_N @ 5.09
12 93.1% Luhya + 6.9% Egyptans @ 5.38
13 68.1% Kongo + 31.9% SANDAWE @ 5.39
14 94.5% Luhya + 5.5% TUNISIA @ 5.39
15 93.2% Luhya + 6.8% Egypt @ 5.41
16 94.3% Luhya + 5.7% Mozabite @ 5.41
17 95.2% Luhya + 4.8% Biaka_Pygmies @ 5.51
18 93.2% Luhya + 6.8% Yemenese @ 5.54
19 94.4% Luhya + 5.6% Bedouin @ 5.56
20 94.9% Luhya + 5.1% Yemen_Jews @ 5.62

Kikuyu results

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Luhya + 30.4% East_African (Dodecad) @ 4.47
2 69.1% Luhya + 30.9% Ethiopians @ 4.59
3 69.6% Luhya + 30.4% Ethiopian_Jews @ 4.68
4 70.4% Bantu_N.E. + 29.6% East_African (Dodecad) @ 5.72
5 70.5% Bantu_N.E. + 29.5% Ethiopian_Jews @ 6.13
6 70% Bantu_N.E. + 30% Ethiopians @ 6.19
7 57.7% Maasai + 42.3% Kongo @ 6.64
8 56.1% Maasai + 43.9% Fang @ 7
9 52.4% SANDAWE + 47.6% Bamoun @ 7.72
10 59.3% Maasai + 40.7% Bamoun @ 7.91
11 50.9% SANDAWE + 49.1% Kongo @ 7.93
12 56.3% SANDAWE + 43.7% Igbo @ 8.19
13 55.3% SANDAWE + 44.7% Hausa @ 8.49
14 57% SANDAWE + 43% Yoruba @ 8.62
15 50.8% Fang + 49.2% SANDAWE @ 8.84
16 58.4% SANDAWE + 41.6% Brong @ 8.91
17 62.1% Luhya + 37.9% Maasai @ 9.39
18 51.9% Kongo + 48.1% Ethiopians @ 9.75
19 68.9% Luhya + 31.1% SANDAWE @ 9.81
20 53.6% Fang + 46.4% Ethiopians @ 10.02

Mine I think still looks closer to yours than it does Kikuyu. I wonder what a Nigerians would look like since I'm genetically hardly any different from a Nigerian especially the northern Nigerian type my mom's more like the southern she's closer Igbo. Than I am.

But I only get bamoun or Kongo on the two way oracle there.

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.6% Bamoun + 12.4% Egypt @ 3.41
2 87.6% Bamoun + 12.4% Egyptans @ 3.42
3 88.9% Bamoun + 11.1% Jordanians @ 3.74
4 89% Bamoun + 11% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) @ 3.8
5 89.5% Bamoun + 10.5% Druze @ 3.89
6 89.1% Bamoun + 10.9% Morocco_Jews @ 4.13
7 87.5% Bamoun + 12.5% Yemenese @ 4.17
8 89.7% Bamoun + 10.3% Bedouin @ 4.66
9 87.5% Bamoun + 12.5% Libya @ 4.73
10 90.5% Bamoun + 9.5% Yemen_Jews @ 4.88
11 90.8% Bamoun + 9.2% Saudis @ 5.28
12 90.9% Bamoun + 9.1% Tuscan @ 5.51
13 88.4% Bamoun + 11.6% Ethiopian_Jews @ 5.53
14 88.4% Bamoun + 11.6% Ethiopians @ 5.58
15 88.6% Bamoun + 11.4% East_African (Dodecad) @ 5.68
16 88.6% Bamoun + 11.4% North_African (Dodecad) @ 5.86
17 91.3% Bamoun + 8.7% North_Italian @ 5.91
18 88.8% Kongo + 11.2% Egypt @ 6.07
19 90.4% Kongo + 9.6% Druze @ 6.1
20 90% Kongo


This is my mom's

1 89.4% Bamoun + 10.6% Algeria @ 3.21
2 90.4% Bamoun + 9.6% Morocco_N @ 3.23
3 89.6% Bamoun + 10.4% Moroccans @ 3.23
4 88.2% Bamoun + 11.8% Morocco_S @ 3.25
5 90% Bamoun + 10% North_African (Dodecad) @ 3.55
6 91.9% Bamoun + 8.1% TUNISIA @ 3.65
7 90.8% Bamoun + 9.2% Sahara_OCC @ 3.66
8 91.8% Bamoun + 8.2% Mozabite @ 3.97
9 79.1% Bamoun + 20.9% Fulani @ 4.41
10 90.4% Bamoun + 9.6% Libya @ 4.64
11 76.8% Kongo + 23.2% Fulani @ 4.87
12 83.8% Igbo + 16.2% Algeria @ 5.95
13 92.2% Bamoun + 7.8% Egypt @ 5.97
14 75.9% Fang + 24.1% Fulani @ 6.03
15 84.5% Igbo + 15.5% North_African (Dodecad) @ 6.07
16 85.3% Igbo + 14.7% Morocco_N @ 6.08
17 92.4% Bamoun + 7.6% Egyptans @ 6.1
18 93.2% Bamoun + 6.8% Morocco_Jews @ 6.19
19 93.3% Bamoun + 6.7% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) @ 6.25
20 84.3% Igbo + 15.7% Moroccans @ 6.37


In the four way I think I'm closer to Igbo though than my mom but on the two way she's closer to the Igbo. So idk... Lol

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 08:12 PM
Actually I made a mistake I'm further from all three of them than my mom Hausa Fulani and Igbo. But she's closer to all the north African heritage on that one. I got much more south west Asian and yemenese and lybian were replaced in the four way oracle distance list

jaderose22
03-19-2017, 09:23 PM
Ethiohelix finally their oracles back up. All the oracles either say I'm about an eighth north African or 1/4 Ethiopian lol....usually bamou. Is the major ancestry though

Samuel7312
10-04-2017, 02:42 AM
are you full african or african american?

ANBlick
10-26-2017, 05:44 PM
My mother is African American / Father Euro origin

For 23andme V5 transfer to DNA.land I got:

West Eurasian 59%
Northwest European 35%
Balkan 13%
Finnish 4.7%
Mid-Turkic 2.5%
Southwestern European 2.1%
Ambiguous 1.1%

African 39%
West African 37%
(Lower Niger Valley 34%
Mende/Akan 2.1%
Senegal River Valley 1.1%)
Southern African 2%

Ambiguous 1.7%

For AncestryDNA transfer to DNA.Land I got:

West Eurasian 62%
Northwest European 40%
Northeast European 10%
(Finnish 5.6%
North Slavic 4.4%)
Southwestern European 5.8%
Balkan 5.2%
Ambiguous 1.3%

African 35%
West African 33%
(Lower Niger Valley 25%
Mende/Akan 8%)
East African 2%

Ambiguous 2.6%

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-07-2017, 05:24 AM
My 23andme v5

20288
20289


Wegene
20290

PuntDNAL K12 Modern
20291

HarappaWorld
20293

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-12-2017, 03:33 AM
My phased v5 results (the results now make a lot sense they've reduced my East African percentage, the SSA percentage is now what I expected.)
20388

My updated timeline
20389

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
12-12-2017, 04:06 AM
A 1/2 Digo 1/2 Swahili relative of mine from Mombasa. I am related to him through GEDmatch Genesis and AncestryDNA

Here are his PuntDNAl K13 Modern oracle results

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

95.9%
NE_Bantu
+
4.1%
Khomani
@
2.34

*
96.2%
NE_Bantu
+
3.8%
Paniya
@
4.71

*
96.2%
NE_Bantu
+
3.8%
Hakkipikki
@
4.74

*
95.9%
NE_Bantu
+
4.1%
Bengali_Muslim
@
4.77

*
96.1%
NE_Bantu
+
3.9%
Tamil_Nadu
@
4.8

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
Keralam
@
4.81

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
Gujarati
@
4.86

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
UP_Muslim
@
4.88

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim
@
4.93

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
Kashmir
@
4.96

*
93.6%
NE_Bantu
+
6.4%
Somali_Benadiri
@
4.96

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
Haryana_Jatt
@
4.97

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
Burusho
@
4.98

*
96%
NE_Bantu
+
4%
Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh
@
4.99

*
96.1%
NE_Bantu
+
3.9%
Sindhi
@
5.01

*
96.1%
NE_Bantu
+
3.9%
Pathan
@
5.04

*
96.2%
NE_Bantu
+
3.8%
Pakistan_Pashtun
@
5.1

*
96.1%
NE_Bantu
+
3.9%
Hazara
@
5.12

*
96.1%
NE_Bantu
+
3.9%
Uzbek
5.15

*
96.1%
NE_Bantu
+
3.9%
Turkmen
@
5.18

Wangari
01-13-2018, 09:41 PM
Kikuyu Ancestry .com results (they are quite unexpected to say the least). Expected something like 90% Southeastern Bantu and the rest a mix of West Africa and perhaps North Africa.

Africa Southeastern Bantu 75%
Middle-east 14%
Senegal 5%
Africa North 4%
Nigeria 2%

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
01-13-2018, 10:25 PM
Kikuyu Ancestry .com results (they are quite unexpected to say the least). Expected something like 90% Southeastern Bantu and the rest a mix of West Africa and perhaps North Africa.

Africa Southeastern Bantu 75%
Middle-east 14%
Senegal 5%
Africa North 4%
Nigeria 2%

Nice to see a fellow Kenyan here :). For your Middle Eastern and North African score I would probably think its linked to your South Eastern Bantu which might be interpreted as a mix of Cushitic/Nilotic. The Middle East and North African is therefore something really ancient perhaps, Ive seen lots of Kikuyus, Somalis and other Horners get this. On 23andme I've seen a Kikuyu score 100% Sub Saharan African mostly East African then West African which makes more sense.

The Senegal and Nigerian is Bantu ancestry I thought it would've been more to be honest. Maybe some of your Bantu West African ancestry might be sucked up into South Eastern Bantu category? or maybe Kikuyus are more Cushitic/Nilotic than I though?

Depending on what your interest is 23andme is the best choice regarding recent ancestry from over the last 500 years.

drobbah
01-14-2018, 02:50 AM
Nice to see a fellow Kenyan here :). For your Middle Eastern and North African score I would probably think its linked to your South Eastern Bantu which might be interpreted as a mix of Cushitic/Nilotic. The Middle East and North African is therefore something really ancient perhaps, Ive seen lots of Kikuyus, Somalis and other Horners get this. On 23andme I've seen a Kikuyu score 100% Sub Saharan African mostly East African then West African which makes more sense.

The Senegal and Nigerian is Bantu ancestry I thought it would've been more to be honest. Maybe some of your Bantu West African ancestry might be sucked up into South Eastern Bantu category? or maybe Kikuyus are more Cushitic/Nilotic than I though?

Depending on what your interest is 23andme is the best choice regarding recent ancestry from over the last 500 years.
Is 18% Middle Eastern (including N.African) normal for Kikuyus?

Wangari
01-14-2018, 08:56 AM
Nice to see a fellow Kenyan here :). For your Middle Eastern and North African score I would probably think its linked to your South Eastern Bantu which might be interpreted as a mix of Cushitic/Nilotic. The Middle East and North African is therefore something really ancient perhaps, Ive seen lots of Kikuyus, Somalis and other Horners get this. On 23andme I've seen a Kikuyu score 100% Sub Saharan African mostly East African then West African which makes more sense.

The Senegal and Nigerian is Bantu ancestry I thought it would've been more to be honest. Maybe some of your Bantu West African ancestry might be sucked up into South Eastern Bantu category? or maybe Kikuyus are more Cushitic/Nilotic than I though?

Depending on what your interest is 23andme is the best choice regarding recent ancestry from over the last 500 years.

Asante sana! ��. At first, I too was skeptical about the accuracy of these results, but after some research I came across several genetic studies that indicate that this Cushitic, Middle-Eastern component in Kikuyus has been reported already; e.g, in the Tishkoff study of 2009, for their 22 Kikuyu samples it showed up as high as 31,5%!

I've often been confused for an Ethiopian or Somalian and many of my relatives are indistinguishable from those two ethnicities.

As for how ancient the cushitic ancestry is: Ancestry .com claims the following:

"The information is more relevant and recent—targeting your family history a few hundred or even a thousand years ago, as compared to the Y and mtDNA tests, which have a 10,000 to 50,000 year time focus."

This implies that we know very little about our recent history, but interestingly, my older relatives have often claimed that we came from Egypt; I always thought they were wrong but my own DNA results have given credence to their claims.

I'll continue to do further research and see what I'll find.

drobbah
01-14-2018, 09:46 AM
....
Have you ran your data through those haplogroup predictors yet?

Wangari
01-18-2018, 12:33 PM
Have you ran your data through those haplogroup predictors yet?

Not yet, but...

I uploaded my raw DNA to Myheritage and the result is more consistent with what 23andme would have:

Africa 98.2%:

East Africa 84.5% (broken down as follows):
- Kenyan 50.8%
- Maasai 19.3%
- Somali 14.4%
West Africa 9.0% (broken down as follows):
- West African 4.7%
- Nigerian 4.3%
North African 4.7%

Middle East 1.8%

Wangari
01-18-2018, 12:53 PM
My Gedmatch puntDNAL results:

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:
puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Kit -------

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 69.13
2 Near_East 10.2
3 Anatolian_NF 10.08
4 South_African_HG 8.34
5 East_Asian 1.34
6 Oceanian 0.75
7 Beringian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Maasai 11.77
2 African_American 18.79
3 NE_Bantu 23.27
4 Somali 29.48
5 Mandinka 30.64
6 Esan 31.26
7 Bambaran 32.45
8 Oromo 32.47
9 Yoruba 34.89
10 Ethiopian 38.92
11 Somali_Benadiri 44.95
12 Saharawi 61.48
13 Algerian 61.5
14 Mozabite_Berber 64.19
15 Tunisian 64.33
16 Yemeni 64.53
17 Egyptian 70.8
18 BedouinA 74.44
19 Jordanian 77.44
20 Lebanese 78.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source)
1. 56.2% NE_Bantu + 43.8% Somali
2. 58.6% NE_Bantu + 41.4% Oromo
3. 51.5% Somali + 48.5% Esan
4. 73.1% NE_Bantu + 26.9% Saharawi
5. 63.1% NE_Bantu + 36.9% Ethiopian
6. 51% Somali + 49% Mandinka
7. 51% Esan + 49% Oromo
8. 73.2% NE_Bantu + 26.8% Algerian
9. 51.5% Mandinka + 48.5% Oromo
10. 74.1% NE_Bantu + 25.9% Mozabite_Berber
11. 52.5% Somali + 47.5% Bambaran
12. 55.7% Esan + 44.3% Ethiopian
13. 50% Oromo + 50% Bambaran
14. 56.2% Mandinka + 43.8% Ethiopian
15. 74.2% NE_Bantu + 25.8% Tunisian
16. 54.4% Somali + 45.6% Yoruba
17. 54.7% Bambaran + 45.3% Ethiopian
18. 66.8% Esan + 33.2% Saharawi
19. 76.1% NE_Bantu + 23.9% Egyptian
20. 51.9% Oromo + 48.1% Yoruba

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
01-19-2018, 01:53 PM
Is 18% Middle Eastern (including N.African) normal for Kikuyus?

In a typical Kikuyu 18% ME/NA is an ancient Levant component due to Masaai intermarriages. On 23andme all Kikuyus I've seen score close to 100% SSA. Therefore, to answer your question its not normal.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
01-19-2018, 02:06 PM
23andme Results of a Bajuni lady from Lamu, I share 0.29% DNA with her. I'm related to here through my fathers side.


Sub-Saharan African
39.3%

West African

7.4%


East African

30.0%


Central & South African

0.2%


Broadly Sub-Saharan African

1.8%


South Asian

38.9%


Broadly South Asian

38.9%


European

0.8%


Northwestern European

0.2%


Broadly Northwestern European

0.2%


Southern European

< 0.1%


Broadly Southern European

< 0.1%


Broadly European

0.6%


Middle Eastern & North African

18.6%


North African

14.3%


Middle Eastern

3.6%


Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

0.7%


East Asian & Native American

0.1%


Southeast Asian

0.1%


Broadly East Asian & Native American
< 0.1%



Unassigned

2.3%

drobbah
01-19-2018, 05:52 PM
In a typical Kikuyu 18% ME/NA is an ancient Levant component due to Masaai intermarriages. On 23andme all Kikuyus I've seen score close to 100% SSA. Therefore, to answer your question its not normal.
23&me isn't really accurate for Horners or SE Africans like yourself.I also score around 98% SSA on 23andme.

I guess the South Cushitic component in Masai were inherited by the Kikuyu

radioavdelning
01-20-2018, 12:39 PM
I uploaded my raw data to My Heritage website and got this:


East Africa

Somali 93.7%
North Africa

North African 6.3%


I'm guessing this North African is usually what shows up as unassigned in other websites? Seems sort of ambiguous.

Wangari
01-22-2018, 11:12 AM
In a typical Kikuyu 18% ME/NA is an ancient Levant component due to Masaai intermarriages. On 23andme all Kikuyus I've seen score close to 100% SSA. Therefore, to answer your question its not normal.

I'll have my DNA tested through 23andme for comparison.

Horner
02-07-2018, 03:22 AM
From my understanding all of the major testing sites (Ancestrydna, 23andme, Ftdna, Myheritage) use the same underlying Illumina dna sequencers. From there you can upload to gedmatch for comparisons. Unless you are looking for haplogroups or looking to optimize matches, there is no real advantage to testing more than once.

Wangari
02-25-2018, 03:17 AM
I uploaded my raw data to My Heritage website and got this:


East Africa

Somali 93.7%
North Africa

North African 6.3%


I'm guessing this North African is usually what shows up as unassigned in other websites? Seems sort of ambiguous.

What was your 23andme result? Was it similar to this?

Wangari
02-25-2018, 03:20 AM
From my understanding all of the major testing sites (Ancestrydna, 23andme, Ftdna, Myheritage) use the same underlying Illumina dna sequencers. From there you can upload to gedmatch for comparisons. Unless you are looking for haplogroups or looking to optimize matches, there is no real advantage to testing more than once.

Good to know! I've tried using gedmatch but I hardly understand how to interpret the numerous calculator results. Which calculator would give me the best and most accurate results for someone with my background?

Wangari
02-25-2018, 03:22 AM
Have you ran your data through those haplogroup predictors yet?

Which predictors would you recommend?

Wangari
02-25-2018, 04:24 AM
Is 18% Middle Eastern (including N.African) normal for Kikuyus?

From what I've gathered so far, it's not too far off the norm according to this.... tracingafricanroots. wordpress. com/ancestrydna/african-results/north-east-african-results/

(Look for the spreadsheet with Kikuyu data).

But as Swahili prince has mentioned, it's likely very ancient.

Wangari
02-25-2018, 04:33 AM
Apologies for the long post below.

Here are several gedmatch calculator results. To be honest, I really don't know how to interpret the results as they seem incongruous with one another.

Eurogenes K36

Admix Results (sorted):

Central_African 8.75
East_African 37.22
North_African 1.21
Northeast_African 16.62
Omotic 2.40
Pygmy 4.24
West_African 29.55

Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer

Admix Results (sorted):

Middle Eastern Herder 7.55
East African Pastoralist 44.97
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.35
Mediterranean Farmer 1.60
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 5.81
Bantu Farmer 39.73

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

West_Med 1.44
East_Med 3.86
Red_Sea 9.09
Northeast_African 38.97
Sub-Saharan 46.64

EthioHelix K10 Africa Only

Admix Results (sorted):

1 West_Africa 33.43
2 Nilo-Saharan 21.67
3 Omotic 14.35
4 East-Africa2 13.39
5 East_Africa1 8.38
6 North-Africa 4.09
7 Khoi-San 3.25
8 Hadza 0.82
9 Biaka-Pygmy 0.62

Single Population Sharing:

1 hema 6.36
2 luhya 25.9
3 bantukenya 27.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 95.2% hema + 4.8% Gumuz 5.78
2 97.5% hema + 2.5% mozabite 5.84
3 97.4% hema + 2.6% ARI-B 5.92
4 97.2% hema + 2.8% ARI-C 5.96

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% hema +50% hema 6.514089


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% maasai +25% sandawe +25% yoruba 5.378354


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 EtO + bulala + mandenka + sandawe 4.707870
2 EtO + bulala + hausa + sandawe 4.730754
3 EtO + bulala + igbo + sandawe 4.918319

EthioHelix K10 + Palestinian

Admix Results (sorted):

Eastern-Bantu 23.68
2 Nilo-Saharan 18.66
3 Omotic 14.84
4 Palestinian 12.43
5 West-Africa 10.90
6 East-Africa1 10.13
7 Biaka-Pygmy 4.01
8 Khoi-San 3.60
9 Hadza 1.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 hema 15.097427
2 maasai 26.988169
3 EtO 34.256779

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% EtO +50% bantukenya 8.38203

Primary Population (source)
1 51.7% EtO + 48.3% bantukenya 7.77
2 73.3% hema + 26.7% EtO 7.77
3 57.7% EtO + 42.3% nguni 8.71

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% EtO +25% fang +25% luhya 5.785848

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 EtO + fang + hema + maasai 4.489032
2 EtO + hema + kongo + maasai 4.591475
3 ethiopian-jews + fang + hema + maasai 4.710003

puntDNAL K8b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

1 E_Benue_Congo 29.52
2 Nilo_Saharan 22.5
3 Western_Semitic 17.13
4 W_Benue_Congo 16.47
5 Omotic 10.09
6 Southern_HG 3.26
7 Eastern_HG 1.03

Single Population Sharing:

1 DRC_Hema 16.12
2 Tanzania_Sandawe 25.33
3 Kenyan_Bantu 25.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 56.2% Kenyan_Luhya + 43.8% Ethiopian_Oromo 6.09
2 56% Kenyan_Luhya + 44% Somali 6.73
3 60.6% Kenyan_Bantu + 39.4% Somali 6.86

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 69.13
2 Near_East 10.20
3 Anatolian_NF 10.08
4 South_African_HG 8.34
5 East_Asian 1.34

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Maasai 11.553025
2 African_American 18.497423
3 NE_Bantu 22.458599
4 Somali 28.998285

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 56.2% NE_Bantu + 43.8% Somali 5.62
2 58.6% NE_Bantu + 41.4% Oromo 5.72
3 51.5% Somali + 48.5% Esan 6.01
4 73.1% NE_Bantu + 26.9% Saharawi 6.05

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Esan +50% Somali 5.594727


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% NE_Bantu +25% NE_Bantu +25% Saharawi 5.481061


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu + Saharawi 5.481061
2 Esan + Esan + Somali + Somali 5.594727
3 Esan + NE_Bantu + Somali + Somali 5.596012

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Subsaharian 40.71
2 East_African 26.72
3 Archaic_African 17.21
4 Near_East 7.37
5 North_African 5.17
6 Khoisan 2.27


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kikuyu_ 4.500353
2 Hema_ 6.402916

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Himba_ +50% Somali_ 2.518945


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Damara_ +25% Datog_ +25% Somali_ 1.457483


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Lemba_ + Mandenka_ + Sandawe_ + Somali_ 1.003694
2 Dogon_ + Esomali_ + Lemba_ + Sandawe_ 1.070101
3 Datog_ + Hausa_ + Nguni_ + Somali_ 1.112308

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

1 West_Africa 40.34
2 East_Africa 34.77
3 SW_Asia 15.33
4 South_Africa 6.50
5 SW_Europe 2.00

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kikuyu 3.950218
2 Hema 10.700174

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 79.7% Kikuyu + 20.3% Hema 2.73
2 90.7% Kikuyu + 9.3% Bulala 2.8
3 53.3% Bantu_NE + 46.7% Wolayta 2.82
4 56.6% Bantu_NE + 43.4% Oromo 2.99
5 92.9% Kikuyu + 7.1% Sudanese_South 3.05
6 92.8% Kikuyu + 7.2% Mada 3.16
7 95% Kikuyu + 5% Anuak 3.23
8 95.5% Kikuyu + 4.5% Dinka 3.28

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bantu_NE +50% Datog 3.177943

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Datog + Kikuyu + Maasai + Mende 1.582059
2 Bantu_NE + Datog + Kikuyu + Kikuyu 1.774161
3 Aricultivator + Bantu_NE + Mandinka + Somali 1.780613
4 Aricultivator + Bantu_NE + Hausa + Oromo 1.811320

radioavdelning
02-27-2018, 02:41 AM
What was your 23andme result? Was it similar to this?

It's 99% east african, so very typical for a Somali.

Hurricane
03-01-2018, 06:27 PM
23andme
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/23andme/Ancestry_Composition___23andMe.png

AncestryDNA
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/AncestryDNA/MyAncestryDNA.png

FTDNA
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/MYUPDFTDNA2017.png

LivingDNA
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/LIVINGDNA/5Complete-Regional.png

DNA TRIBES
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/MyDNAtribesRes.png

MyHeritage
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/MyHeritage/MyHeritage2.png

Geneplaza
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/Others/MyGeneplaza.png

itsmrhoax
03-02-2018, 11:46 PM
Wow these are so interesting to see

Hurricane
03-04-2018, 03:22 PM
23andme
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/23andme/DAD_AC.png

FTDNA
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/DadFTDNA2017.png

DNA TRIBES
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/DNATRIBES/HisDNAtribes.png

Gencove
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/Others/HisGencove.png

Hurricane
03-04-2018, 03:27 PM
23andme
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/23andme/MOM_AC.png

FTDNA
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/MumFTDNA2017.png

DNA TRIBES
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/DNATRIBES/HerDNAtribes.png

MY HERITAGE
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/MyHeritage/HerHeritage.png

GENCOVE
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/Others/HerGencove.png

drobbah
03-05-2018, 08:52 PM
Mum

47%-Africa Southeastern Bantu
40% -Middle East
10%-North African
3%- Senegal

radioavdelning
03-06-2018, 06:25 PM
MDLP k11

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 African 52.03
2 Basal 45.03
3 EHG 2.41
4 Neolithic 0.48
5 SEA 0.06

MDLP k23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_African 44.84
2 Near_East 18.89
3 North_African 15.3
4 Archaic_African 10.67
5 Subsaharian 9.54
6 Archaic_Human 0.46
7 Caucasian 0.31

blackflash16
04-04-2018, 02:11 AM
New Updated 23andMe (with 120+ regions):

Nothing changed percentage wise for me with the exception of the new Somalia label:

https://preview.ibb.co/h2uwHH/23and_Me_New.png (https://ibb.co/gOK7Px)

Lol at Somaliland not being included in the map, all of my grandparents are from Sool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sool,_Somalia) and Togdheer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togdheer) regions.


They also have a new African Hunter-Gatherer component (I don't remember seeing it before), which is odd next to all the modern nation-based components:

https://preview.ibb.co/gbxacH/components_screen.png

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
04-04-2018, 06:17 AM
Heres my new 23andme, wasnt much of an update tbh.

22498
22499

Angoliga
04-04-2018, 02:59 PM
Lol at Somaliland not being included in the map, all of my grandparents are from Sool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sool,_Somalia) and Togdheer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togdheer) regions.


Lol, how dare 23andme annex off parts of countries



Heres my new 23andme, wasnt much of an update tbh.

22498
22499

Maybe this will update in the near future. I didn't have any changes either, were you also tested on V4? If not, then I really don't know what's going on here -- you should've gotten a decent amount of Kenyan


My results:

https://i.imgur.com/2fFZVG3.png


I don't have any recent direct ancestry from any of these countries but would've expected some match strength in Kenya and Sudan - oh well

JFWinstone
04-04-2018, 04:24 PM
It really makes you wonder what their reference groups are. I’m 1/4 Mauritian Creole and didn’t get anything for Mauritius, this makes me think their Mauritian references are Indo-Mauritian. I’m surprised Swahili Prince didn’t get anything for Kenya :\:\ Will see what my mum’s results say when they come through as she’s half Mauritian Creole.

drobbah
04-05-2018, 08:51 AM
New Updated 23andMe (with 120+ regions):

Nothing changed percentage wise for me with the exception of the new Somalia label:

https://preview.ibb.co/h2uwHH/23and_Me_New.png (https://ibb.co/gOK7Px)

Lol at Somaliland not being included in the map, all of my grandparents are from Sool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sool,_Somalia) and Togdheer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togdheer) regions.


They also have a new African Hunter-Gatherer component (I don't remember seeing it before), which is odd next to all the modern nation-based components:

https://preview.ibb.co/gbxacH/components_screen.png

Lmfao is SL part of North Africa?????

My results stayed the same.I'm still 98.5 East African (Somalia)

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
05-15-2018, 07:13 PM
They've now added more to the AC
23190

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
05-15-2018, 07:30 PM
They've now added more to the AC
23190

Its a glitch apparently

radioavdelning
05-15-2018, 10:12 PM
Probably some developer pushed a feature too soon accidentally (or reverted something). Usually glitches aren't coherent or useful so it's unlikely to be an error.

EDIT- but obviously it was still an accident.

Wangari
06-14-2018, 11:26 PM
Looks like ancestry.com just updated their reference samples and regions!

Previous ancestry Version (Jul 2012)
3,000 Reference Samples
363 Total Regions

Current Version (June 2018)
16,000 Reference Samples
380 Total Regions

My previous results showed I was 75%Bantu, 18%MENA, 5% Senegal, and 2% Nigerian.

Now it shows that I'm
62% East African
22%Bantu,
15% Hunter Gatherer!! (This is unexpected and seems rather inflated)
1% North African

Angoliga
06-15-2018, 04:12 PM
Looks like ancestry.com just updated their reference samples and regions!

Previous ancestry Version (Jul 2012)
3,000 Reference Samples
363 Total Regions

Current Version (June 2018)
16,000 Reference Samples
380 Total Regions

My previous results showed I was 75%Bantu, 18%MENA, 5% Senegal, and 2% Nigerian.

Now it shows that I'm
62% East African
22%Bantu,
15% Hunter Gatherer!! (This is unexpected and seems rather inflated)
1% North African

Interesting results, what's your background -- Kenyan?
I'm curious, what's your usual affinity for Hunter Gatherers -- have you ran your results through puntDNAL K8 (GEDmatch)?

Judging by your former MENA affinity, it looks like Ancestry has finally referenced Cushitic (horner-like) ancestry apart from their former "Southern-East Bantu" component.
Your "East-African" might mean a substantial amount of Cushitic and Nilotic ancestry; won't know for sure until we know the references.

Could you share the reference samples for the new "East African" region along with the description, mine still hasn't updated.
Anyone else?

Nnobrega
06-18-2018, 04:57 AM
To the African community: What percentage of Sub Saharan African is considered high enough to be classified as nonwhite or mixed?

Wangari
06-29-2018, 12:08 AM
Interesting results, what's your background -- Kenyan?
I'm curious, what's your usual affinity for Hunter Gatherers -- have you ran your results through puntDNAL K8 (GEDmatch)?

Judging by your former MENA affinity, it looks like Ancestry has finally referenced Cushitic (horner-like) ancestry apart from their former "Southern-East Bantu" component.
Your "East-African" might mean a substantial amount of Cushitic and Nilotic ancestry; won't know for sure until we know the references.

Could you share the reference samples for the new "East African" region along with the description, mine still hasn't updated.
Anyone else?

Here are my puntDNAL K8b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 E_Benue_Congo29.52
2 Nilo_Saharan22.5
3 Western_Semitic17.13
4 W_Benue_Congo16.47
5 Omotic10.09
6 Southern_HG3.26
7 Eastern_HG1.03

Single Population Sharing:

1 DRC_Hema16.12
2 Tanzania_Sandawe25.33
3 Kenyan_Bantu25.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 56.2%Kenyan_Luhya+43.8%[email protected]
2 56%Kenyan_Luhya+44%[email protected]
3 60.6%Kenyan_Bantu+39.4%[email protected]
4 60.9%Kenyan_Bantu+39.1%[email protected]
5 55.6%Tanzania_Sandawe+44.4%[email protected]
6 59.7%Kenyan_Luhya+40.3%[email protected]

The ancestry Hunter gatherer estimate is just way off! I've lost all confidence in them to be honest.
According to Ancestry, the East African is Bantu derived and not north east african (Horner).

Here is their description:

Eastern Africa
Primarily located in: Kenya, Uganda

Also found in: Burundi, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Rwanda, Somalia, South Sudan, Tanzania

Home to some of our earliest human ancestors, our Eastern Africa region was populated in part by people who came from the west as part of the Bantu migrations, one of the greatest movements of people in history. Eastern equatorial Africa is now home to scores of ethnic groups and languages. It’s also known for spectacular landscapes, including Africa’s largest lake (Lake Victoria), its tallest peak (Mount Kilimanjaro), and world-famous wildlife reserves.

Northern Influences
According to the oral tradition of the Luhya, Kenya’s second-largest ethnic group, their ancestors migrated from a homeland to the north. The earliest migrants related to Kenya’s modern-day population did, in fact, come from the north, probably between 1000 and 2000 B.C. However, they weren’t the Luhya. They spoke Cushitic languages found now in countries such as Ethiopia and Somalia. They were followed by Nilotic speakers, who also came into Kenya from the Nile Valley in the north.

Bantu Migration
Most people in our Africa East region, however, have Bantu roots, which means their ancestors were part of the Bantu migrations that came out of West Africa beginning 3,500-5,000 years ago. Bantu (meaning “people”) refers to a group of people who speak Niger-Congo languages that trace their roots to an area in modern-day Cameroon and Nigeria. As West Africa’s population grew, Bantu speakers migrated in two directions. While some continued south along Africa's west coast, others headed east across the continent.

The Great Lakes
By 1000 B.C. Bantu peoples lived in Africa’s Great Lakes region. The region became a staging area for a second migration that spread Bantu speakers throughout southern Africa about 1,700 years ago. Others stayed in the region. Among them were the Kikuyu, Kenya’s largest ethnic group, who eventually settled around Mount Kenya. Migration to Luhyaland, the Luhya homeland, goes back to perhaps 1450, with many coming from Uganda. In the 1960s Luhya moved into Kenya’s Rift Valley as former British colonial lands opened to settlement. The Kamba were known as long-distance traders and moved toward the Kenyan coast in the mid-1700s, pushed eastward by severe drought.

Uganda’s Bantu-speaking population lives mostly in the south, west, and central regions of the country. They probably settled in Uganda before 1000 A.D., about the same time Nilotic-speaking migrants from the north arrived. Prominent Bantu groups in Uganda include the Basoga and the Baganda, whose kingdom of Buganda was a well-organized and powerful state with a network of roads through the kingdom and a fleet of war canoes on Lake Victoria.

Please note that genetic ethnicity estimates are based on individuals living in this region today. While a prediction of genetic ethnicity from this region suggests a connection to the groups occupying this location, it is not conclusive evidence of membership to any particular tribe or ethnic group.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-01-2018, 07:10 PM
Did anyone have any family myths of foreign ancestry they didn't get? I got told my gg grand father was Persian Shirazi but it didn't show up. Although, I got told that long ago associating you're self as being part Persian was better than being part Arab so that gave many Swahilis a higher status. This Shirazi myth was brought by Swahili settlers from the north coast of Lamu to Mombasa and Zanj areas. So perhaps the Basheikh clan isn't Persian but maybe just Hadhramaut Yemeni.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-01-2018, 07:14 PM
To the African community: What percentage of Sub Saharan African is considered high enough to be classified as nonwhite or mixed?

Here in Mombasa to be mixed you need to be at least 25-50% of one ancestry to be considered a Chotara or (Mixed).

radioavdelning
07-01-2018, 11:07 PM
nothing to see here.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
07-02-2018, 03:32 PM
My wegene results

24387

My dads wegene results

24388

NetNomad
07-05-2018, 05:24 PM
Did anyone have any family myths of foreign ancestry they didn't get? I got told my gg grand father was Persian Shirazi but it didn't show up. Although, I got told that long ago associating you're self as being part Persian was better than being part Arab so that gave many Swahilis a higher status. This Shirazi myth was brought by Swahili settlers from the north coast of Lamu to Mombasa and Zanj areas. So perhaps the Basheikh clan isn't Persian but maybe just Hadhramaut Yemeni.

No real myth of foreign ancestry that I knew of.

Before my awareness of anthropology & genetics, I was actually expecting some South Asian affinities given that some of my relatives look weirdly South Indian. But obviously that's not the case.

MTU
08-23-2018, 10:38 PM
it is rather strange that although the oldest recorded remains with predominant Bantu DNA E1b1a is found in the Natufian in the levant , People still insist that bantus came from West Africa where there is no Archeological evidence to support this . If the Natufians had Y DNA E1b1a and E1b1b ,C & T and apart from C all others are found in Africa in High frequencies them a population shift due to Agriculture and Pastrolism must have taken place.

West Africans did not come out of the blue otherwise there would be evidence to support them being in West Africa prior to Agriculture .
The forests of Tropical West & Central Africa war inhabited by Pygmies prior to Agriculture . There is high probability that these groups moved back to Africa through the Sahara at its green period and southwards as it dried up the further movements to the East and south by Agricultural farmers from 3000BC and the pattern of settlement suggest a migration in search of suitable farming lands . The Pastrol communities in the Sahel and the horn might have taken a different route along the rift valley.

Hence Modern Sub Saharan Africans both Agricultural and Pastrol Horn / Sahel Africans might have moved back as Agriculture and Pastrolism expanded After the stone age. Other non African EHG who adopted Pastrol culture moved back with Horn Africans adding to substantial Euroasian gene pool among Early Cushites , European HG adopting pastrolism did not move to continental Europe due to simple logic of Climate suitability they ended up in North Africa as Berbers and the product of their mixed populations ended up in the Horn of Africa .

Farmers in search of land spread absorbing indigenous population ,there was sexual bias since very few Farmers Y Dna went to local hunters and Gatherers ,but a large potion of HG females war Obsorbed in faming communities . The domination of E1b1a and E1b1b in Africa a test a Male occupation dominance over local Hunters and gatherers a simple picture of this lineage is the story of Cain and Abel , Jacob and Esau ...A Farmer E1b1a and A Pastrolist E1b1b /T the two most dominant occupation even contemporary Africa. That is cause of most African Conflicts.

kawhi
08-26-2018, 02:18 AM
it is rather strange that although the oldest recorded remains with predominant Bantu DNA E1b1a is found in the Natufian in the levant , People still insist that bantus came from West Africa where there is no Archeological evidence to support this . If the Natufians had Y DNA E1b1a and E1b1b ,C & T and apart from C all others are found in Africa in High frequencies them a population shift due to Agriculture and Pastrolism must have taken place.

West Africans did not come out of the blue otherwise there would be evidence to support them being in West Africa prior to Agriculture .
The forests of Tropical West & Central Africa war inhabited by Pygmies prior to Agriculture . There is high probability that these groups moved back to Africa through the Sahara at its green period and southwards as it dried up the further movements to the East and south by Agricultural farmers from 3000BC and the pattern of settlement suggest a migration in search of suitable farming lands . The Pastrol communities in the Sahel and the horn might have taken a different route along the rift valley.

Hence Modern Sub Saharan Africans both Agricultural and Pastrol Horn / Sahel Africans might have moved back as Agriculture and Pastrolism expanded After the stone age. Other non African EHG who adopted Pastrol culture moved back with Horn Africans adding to substantial Euroasian gene pool among Early Cushites , European HG adopting pastrolism did not move to continental Europe due to simple logic of Climate suitability they ended up in North Africa as Berbers and the product of their mixed populations ended up in the Horn of Africa .

Farmers in search of land spread absorbing indigenous population ,there was sexual bias since very few Farmers Y Dna went to local hunters and Gatherers ,but a large potion of HG females war Obsorbed in faming communities . The domination of E1b1a and E1b1b in Africa a test a Male occupation dominance over local Hunters and gatherers a simple picture of this lineage is the story of Cain and Abel , Jacob and Esau ...A Farmer E1b1a and A Pastrolist E1b1b /T the two most dominant occupation even contemporary Africa. That is cause of most African Conflicts.

There is nothing Bantu or E1b1a about the Natufians.

MTU
08-26-2018, 08:35 AM
Plaese substantiate your claim, Arguments should always be basic on logic thinking.

Now what is E1b1 exactly and why are there efforts to confuse People when it comes to these hallo groups , it has been made so confusing on purpose because specific group of people cannot stomach the idea that black Africans contributing any thing to Humans . The story of the Bible must be made to fit to science at all costs even f it means misleading people on scientific facts . This Sick way of reasoning is rather backward and idiotic to say the least.

E-M2 8 III 5 15 Eu2 H2 B E3a* E3a E1b1 E1b1a E3a E3a E1b1a E1b1a E1b1a E1b1a1 E1b1a1

This is how confusion is purposely created , because people can't stomach this facts , that Africans and not middle easterners war at the heart of the revolution from HG to settled Lifsytles of Animal domestication and Agriculture .
It is socially more acceptable to settle for Northern africans ( Half Black ) as Complete black being able to do anything ( Think) Hence confusion is created by purpose through reclassifications in search of the Primitive Negro who is supposed to be from West Africa and if he cannot be found through science , then he has to be created

MTU
08-26-2018, 09:31 AM
What is Sub saharan ? there is no Sub Sharan Skull or cranial formular . Sub Saharan are as diverse as Human themselves . A Jarawa looks like an eastern coastal bantu or a south eastern asian , just us much as a Nilotic and Bantus have varying facial futures. Hence finding a skull and saying it is caucasoid just because of its perceived form is rather silly. A skull from Russia or Ukraine could pass for anything other than a European because they look very different from north , central or southern europeans . Hence i say it is nonsense An East African is just as much Sub saharan African as a west African if the same applies to all Europeans then it should apply to all Africans , South, west , Midnorth (Sahel ) and the east.


What is known as the Basal Population is typical African mixture of African genetic and phenotype variations that has existed in Africa for as long as man has existed. People find it hard to accept that there is no definition of the African as the made up NEGRO but Africans have always existed as Varieties of NEGROS that look like all humans alive today some Africans look like Asians , some like Europeans , some like South asians , There is no THE AFRICAN and there Never was.
The AFRICAN is a facet of the entire Human species , He is not specific like other populations but multi faceted , He looks like every one and like no one simultaneous and can't be placed to fit a certain ancient population by his bone structures alone.

Admix Results ( ME Genetically )
Population Percent


Population
Ancestral_North_Eurasian 2.37
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.00
East_Asian 0.19
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.65
Natufian 12.48
Sub_Saharan 80.31


1 African 82.1
2 Basal 17.24
3 EHG 0.42
4 SEA 0.25


1 Subsaharian 59.38
2 EastAfrican 21.4
3 NearEast 6.24
4 Ancestor 6.23
5 NorthAfrican 2.67
6 Caucasian 2.53
7 Indian 0.84
8 Neolithic 0.58
9 Australian 0.13

1 Subsaharian 41.16
2 East_African 25.62
3 Archaic_African 19.82
4 Near_East 6.39
5 North_African 4.5
6 Khoisan 1.34
7 Caucasian 0.95
8 Australoid 0.19
9 Archaic_Human 0.03

1 SSA 81.46
2 W_Eurasian 16.43
3 E_Eurasian 2.11

1 W_African 44.14
2 Wht_Nile_River 26.41
3 Horn_Of_Africa 17.91
4 S_African 4.28
5 Omo_River 3.79
6 NE_European 1.25
7 Mediterranean 1.21
8 SW_Asian 1


1 E_Benue_Congo 32.34
2 Nilo_Saharan 21.34
3 W_Benue_Congo 18.94
4 Western_Semitic 14.22
5 Omotic 7.04
6 Eastern_HG 2.34
7 Southern_HG 2.19
8 Ubangian_Congo 1.61


1 Neo_African 36.68
2 East_African 28.86
3 Palaeo_African 26.95
4 Southwest_Asian 3.59
5 Northwest_African 3.4
6 West_Asian 0.32
7 Southeast_Asian 0.2




Being Kenyan Bantu specifically Kikuyu we consider our selfs as Bantus yet as shown above we have a distant relationship to Denisovans and European HG , Early Neolithic farmers as Most Kikuyus have these genetic make up . We are basically every body who has ever been in and around Africa .
64 % my genes are from Archaic populations while the Iron age Bantu movement contributed 36-40 % to my Gene pool . The Bantu are not a genetic group but an Idea made out of Iron and farming that swept across Tropical Africa . The question is Who where they and What triggerd this massive movement and where exactly did it start , why did they not move Westwards if the came from the Chin of Africa ( around Cameroon) , Did the group move from kardofan Sudan Northwards?

drobbah
08-26-2018, 12:10 PM
Plaese substantiate your claim, Arguments should always be basic on logic thinking.

Now what is E1b1 exactly and why are there efforts to confuse People when it comes to these hallo groups , it has been made so confusing on purpose because specific group of people cannot stomach the idea that black Africans contributing any thing to Humans . The story of the Bible must be made to fit to science at all costs even f it means misleading people on scientific facts . This Sick way of reasoning is rather backward and idiotic to say the least.

E-M2 8 III 5 15 Eu2 H2 B E3a* E3a E1b1 E1b1a E3a E3a E1b1a E1b1a E1b1a E1b1a1 E1b1a1

This is how confusion is purposely created , because people can't stomach this facts , that Africans and not middle easterners war at the heart of the revolution from HG to settled Lifsytles of Animal domestication and Agriculture .
It is socially more acceptable to settle for Northern africans ( Half Black ) as Complete black being able to do anything ( Think) Hence confusion is created by purpose through reclassifications in search of the Primitive Negro who is supposed to be from West Africa and if he cannot be found through science , then he has to be created
E1b1a was not found among Natufians and the Neolithic Levantines had no SSA according to recent studies.So if anyone has to substantiate their claims here...it is you buddy!

MTU
08-26-2018, 12:30 PM
what recent study are you talking about ? Wewe ni Msomali amesoma , Soma sentence alafu uya tafsiri haya kwa maakini .

I take you are an educated Somali. read the following and digest its content with a sombre head. and you see how confusion is created .

According to ancient DNA analyses conducted by Lazaridis et al. (2016) on Natufian skeletal remains from present-day northern Israel, the Natufians carried the Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroups E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a,E1b1b1b2b) (2/5; 40%), CT (2/5; 40%), and E1b1(xE1b1a1,E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%).[26] One Natufian individual was also found to belong to the N1b mtDNA haplogroup and two others belonged to the J2a2 mtDNA haplogroup

And read what i have written carefully before you put words in my mouth . Kwa Kina na maakikini ( carefully and throughly )


E-M2 8 III 5 15 Eu2 H2 B E3a* E3a E1b1 E1b1a E3a E3a E1b1a E1b1a E1b1a E1b1a1 E1b1a1


By the way Somali and Ethiopians are part of sub saharan Africa , so is that not a contradiction you being Somali you should know better and identify BS when. Somali is Kenyas neighbor to the east and both are SSA countries so is Ethiopia unless they moved to the middle East last night.

MTU
08-26-2018, 01:13 PM
So If your Somali
Mtdna L0a1 ( like the most East Africans Bantus , Nilots ,Cushite and Hunters and Gatherers)
you are y DNAV-32 like Many East Africans Cushites, Nilots and Bantus


Me being Kenyan of Bantu Origin Y- M-215 E1b1b and Mtdna L3

Then how are you not Sub saharan African ....can you explain this nonsense to me as a Fellow East African?

MTU
08-26-2018, 02:07 PM
The 18 -20 % ME/ NA in Kikuyu is Ancient (Early Farmers DNA ) hence in 23&ME it is reflected as ME / NA due to the fact that the current population is more closely related to Europeans than to Ancient populations of the neolithic. This seem to be constant in most Kikuyus including my self .

drobbah
08-26-2018, 03:21 PM
So If your Somali
Mtdna L0a1 ( like the most East Africans Bantus , Nilots ,Cushite and Hunters and Gatherers)
you are y DNAV-32 like Many East Africans Cushites, Nilots and Bantus


Me being Kenyan of Bantu Origin Y- M-215 E1b1b and Mtdna L3

Then how are you not Sub saharan African ....can you explain this nonsense to me as a Fellow East African?

First off I never said I'm not of recent SSA origins
Secondly L0a1 is ancient E.African lineage that can be found among horners and is not exclusive to SE Africans like yourself.I am not your fellow "East African"....I'm a Somali from NW Somalia which last I checked was in the Horn of Africa.

If you are indeed E1b1b than you're a long south cushite that was probably absorbed by the Bantus that arrived in modern kenya.

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NetNomad
08-29-2018, 09:18 AM
Being Kenyan Bantu specifically Kikuyu we consider our selfs as Bantus yet as shown above we have a distant relationship to Denisovans and European HG , Early Neolithic farmers as Most Kikuyus have these genetic make up . We are basically every body who has ever been in and around Africa .
64 % my genes are from Archaic populations while the Iron age Bantu movement contributed 36-40 % to my Gene pool . The Bantu are not a genetic group but an Idea made out of Iron and farming that swept across Tropical Africa . The question is Who where they and What triggerd this massive movement and where exactly did it start , why did they not move Westwards if the came from the Chin of Africa ( around Cameroon) , Did the group move from kardofan Sudan Northwards?

Bantus are a genetic group, perhaps not a cohesive one, but one nevertheless. It is not just culture, people and genes were invovled. They have origins from Southern Cameroon. Your genome reflects this. Ancient DNA from Kenya / Tanzania would be very different from yours.


Then how are you not Sub saharan African ....can you explain this nonsense to me as a Fellow East African?

He was talking about the Natufians. Geez, you are obtuse.

MTU
08-29-2018, 10:25 AM
Until we get Ancient DNA from Kenya in substantial amount , It remains a Theory...since theres is a no Ancient DNA evidence from Southern Cameroon to confirm the White mans Theory of Bantu Partanal Origin ....Science is based on facts it is different from Linguistics , which Europeans used to Explain Africas largest Language group .
All Arguments should be backed with substantial Evidence and irrefutable Evidence .
My home work for you , Provide sources that places Ancient genetic evidence of Bantus in Southern Cameroon.

MTU
08-29-2018, 10:48 AM
We know the theory was developed to disposes African people of their Land in East and Central Africa. Science has a history of Racial Bias and vested interests .
This can be seen in the current land debate in South Africa. Although the Xhosa are a Bantu speaking People , They are genetically different from Eastern Bantus both from their Partanal and Martanal lineage . They have always been there and just mixed with other groups over periods of years like any body else in Africa .

And me being A Kenya my genome reflects the reality that people have always moved and mixed , the cushites mixed with the hunters and gathers then mixed with Nilots and Bantus and i happen to be a product of All Kenyan people who have always been and all those who came.

1 Neo_African 36.68
2 East_African 28.86
3 Palaeo_African 26.95
4 Southwest_Asian 3.59
5 Northwest_African 3.4
6 West_Asian 0.32
7 Southeast_Asian 0.2



Afrika
99,0%
Ostafrika
80,1%
Kenianer
42,9%
Somalier
34,8%
Massai-Mann
2,4%
Westafrika
14,8%
Nigerianer
10,5%
Westafrikaner
4,3%
Nordafrika
3,1%
Nordafrikaner
3,1%
Zentralafrika
1,0%
Zentralafrikaner
1,0%
Ozeanien
1,0%
Ozeanien
1,0%
Melanesier
1,0%

100,0% = KENYAN

NetNomad
08-29-2018, 04:29 PM
We know the theory was developed to disposes African people of their Land in East and Central Africa. Science has a history of Racial Bias and vested interests .
This can be seen in the current land debate in South Africa. Although the Xhosa are a Bantu speaking People , They are genetically different from Eastern Bantus both from their Partanal and Martanal lineage . They have always been there and just mixed with other groups over periods of years like any body else in Africa .

And me being A Kenya my genome reflects the reality that people have always moved and mixed , the cushites mixed with the hunters and gathers then mixed with Nilots and Bantus and i happen to be a product of All Kenyan people who have always been and all those who came.

First of all, we have enough academic papers on Kenyan or Southeast African population genetics, so this N=1 stuff is irrelevant.

Secondly, you carry specific West-Central African clusters / segments not found in Ancient DNA of Southeast African Cushites or the Southeast African hunter-gatherers. People from Cameroon did migrate to Kenya and are your ancestors.

The only difference between you and a Xhosa is the Khoisan vs Cushite admixture proportions. Both Kikuyus and Xhosas have migratory ancestors from Southern Cameroon. The Bantu expansion was not cultural, but biological/genetic as well.

NetNomad
08-29-2018, 04:32 PM
Until we get Ancient DNA from Kenya in substantial amount , It remains a Theory...since theres is a no Ancient DNA evidence from Southern Cameroon to confirm the White mans Theory of Bantu Partanal Origin ....Science is based on facts it is different from Linguistics , which Europeans used to Explain Africas largest Language group .
All Arguments should be backed with substantial Evidence and irrefutable Evidence .
My home work for you , Provide sources that places Ancient genetic evidence of Bantus in Southern Cameroon.

There is already ancient DNA from Kenya/Tanzania.

Two groups lived there before the Bantus:

- Southern Cushites similar to Oromos/Somalis.

- Hunter-gatherers similar to the unmixed Hadza & lesser extant Khoisan.

Bantus came from Southern Cameroon and introduced West African genetics in this region. This is common knowledge.

MTU
08-29-2018, 11:22 PM
This is common knowledge according to you so long as there is no Ancient genetics from West Africa to confirm this Myth it will remain a Myth.

NetNomad
08-30-2018, 07:25 PM
You are trolling. You are not arguing in good faith.

KingKhalasi
09-02-2018, 02:27 PM
I am not 100% African but these are my general results on tests:

MyGenomeBox: 54.14% European, 41.72% African, 4.14% Amerind
EthioHelix K10 + French: 56.5% European, 41.5% African, 2% Amerind
Dodecad Africa9: 55.81% European, 41.95% African, 2.24% Amerind
EthioHelix K10 Africa Only: 51.24% European, 45.49% African, 3.26% Amerind



my African part is mixed broadly African. On a range from biggest percentage to lowest i'd say this:


Nigerian/Togo>Congo Kinshasha>Oromo Ethiopian> Ghanaian>Moroccan>Eastern Bantu


im also roughly 25-33% SSA, and the rest going to Horner and or Moroccan, so yeah im quite mixed XD my mom was a Afro-Caribbean so I think im allowed to post here maybe?? eitherway, I was raised the black Caribbean way, I know my mom's family 10x better than I know my dad's because I only met him 3x in my life or so, so I identify myself as Mulatto or half African.

MTU
09-02-2018, 07:45 PM
What is arguing in good faith? i just asked you to provide genetic evidence to show your claims of southern Cameroon Origin.
The genetics of Cameroon /Nigerian / Chadic people includes R1b -V88 that is over 10,000 old . Hence traces of this male lineage would be present in central , Eastern and Southern Africans. Früher more there is no Bantu DNA neither Y nor Mtdna . The Y Dna among bantus varies from E1a , E1b.E1b1a,E1b1b, and E2 and A and B and all L mtdna from L0-L6 hence bantu people are not a coherent homogenous group of People who where involved in a Migration.


The oldest Y dna in Cameroon is A00 and not E1b1a who oldest known evidence is the Natufian samples and not Cameroonian . I know and I'm Familiar with the mythology of Bantu ( a term used and popularized by South African Apartheid Government to disposes Blacks off their land by implying they war not natives.

The only way to prove a case is to present evidence , and we have no Ancient DNA from Tropical Africa that reinforces or refutes any allegations ,because any DNA would contradict white supremacy Ideologies that are so deep even in the African Psyche that Pastor Somalis believe killing of Bantu people is noble since they are invaders ,which is an outright lie ,since if E1b1b is North / Levant origin then we all are invaders and only Hunters and Gatherers have title to the Land south of the Sahara.

NetNomad
09-03-2018, 01:03 PM
What is arguing in good faith? i just asked you to provide genetic evidence to show your claims of southern Cameroon Origin.
The genetics of Cameroon /Nigerian / Chadic people includes R1b -V88 that is over 10,000 old . Hence traces of this male lineage would be present in central , Eastern and Southern Africans. Früher more there is no Bantu DNA neither Y nor Mtdna . The Y Dna among bantus varies from E1a , E1b.E1b1a,E1b1b, and E2 and A and B and all L mtdna from L0-L6 hence bantu people are not a coherent homogenous group of People who where involved in a Migration.


The oldest Y dna in Cameroon is A00 and not E1b1a who oldest known evidence is the Natufian samples and not Cameroonian . I know and I'm Familiar with the mythology of Bantu ( a term used and popularized by South African Apartheid Government to disposes Blacks off their land by implying they war not natives.

The only way to prove a case is to present evidence , and we have no Ancient DNA from Tropical Africa that reinforces or refutes any allegations ,because any DNA would contradict white supremacy Ideologies that are so deep even in the African Psyche that Pastor Somalis believe killing of Bantu people is noble since they are invaders ,which is an outright lie ,since if E1b1b is North / Levant origin then we all are invaders and only Hunters and Gatherers have title to the Land south of the Sahara.

Bantus came from Southern Cameroon, deal with it. Stop boring us with your nonsense.

kawhi
09-03-2018, 01:27 PM
The oldest Y dna in Cameroon is A00 and not E1b1a who oldest known evidence is the Natufian samples and not Cameroonian . I know and I'm Familiar with the mythology of Bantu ( a term used and popularized by South African Apartheid Government to disposes Blacks off their land by implying they war not natives.

There is no e1b1a in natufians. E1b1a is deeply rooted in Sub Sahara Africa because it most likely originated and marinated there. E1b1b split off from E1b1a approx 43000 years ago and some branches of E1b1b became the main lineages in some west eurasian populations (like the natufians for example). How this happened is still a mystery.

Not only that, but macro grouping through terms like E1b1a or E1b1b is uninformative. If the Natufians belonged to E-Z830, that's one branch from the E1b1b macro haplogroup. Which means there are other branches that have their own history, that possibly never left Africa, never carried West Eurasian ancestry etc. etc. So while the Natufians could've hypothetically carried a branch of E1b1a, if that branch went extinct & all remaining branches of E1b1a never left Sub-Sahara Africa, then you can't say that the branch the Natufians carried is ancestral to the branches that never left Sub Sahara Africa and that were autosomally Sub Saharan African. It's sloppy as hell.

NetNomad
09-03-2018, 01:44 PM
Chadic populations with R1b did not affect Southern Cameroonian proto-Bantus, as R1b was not carried by the earliest Bantus.

This guy is full of misleading info.

Also, Bantu haplogroups are very easy to tell by deep subclades (expansion signals around 4,000-3,000 YBP). Bantus have non-Bantu lineages as well due to absorbing Pygmies, Nilo-Cushites, and Khoisans. Those are not their haplogroups but acquired through admixture.

NetNomad
09-03-2018, 01:58 PM
There is no e1b1a in natufians. E1b1a is deeply rooted in Sub Sahara Africa because it most likely originated and marinated there. E1b1b split off from E1b1a approx 43000 years ago and some branches of E1b1b became the main lineages in some west eurasian populations (like the natufians for example). How this happened is still a mystery.

Not only that, but macro grouping through terms like E1b1a or E1b1b is uninformative. If the Natufians belonged to E-Z830, that's one branch from the E1b1b macro haplogroup. Which means there are other branches that have their own history, that possibly never left Africa, never carried West Eurasian ancestry etc. etc. So while the Natufians could've hypothetically carried a branch of E1b1a, if that branch went extinct & all remaining branches of E1b1a never left Sub-Sahara Africa, then you can't say that the branch the Natufians carried is ancestral to the branches that never left Sub Sahara Africa and that were autosomally Sub Saharan African. It's sloppy as hell.

E1b1b1-M35 originitated in North Africa. Hence, how the Natufians have high E1b1b1 with low SSA autosomals.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M35/

MTU
09-03-2018, 02:40 PM
Mto wa Nyoka ni Nyoka ....( The offsring of a Serpent is a Serpent ) not a rat

Natufian fossils that were analysed for ancient DNA were found to carry the paternal haplogroup E1b1(xE1b1a1,E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%).[5]

This haplogroup is now found mostly in Africa, mainly in the form of its predominant subclades E-M215 and E-V38. E-M215 is more common in Northern Africa and the Horn of Africa, and is also found at lower frequencies in the Middle East, Europe and Southern Africa. E-V38 is more common in West Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes, and occurs at low frequencies in North Africa and Middle East.

MTU
09-03-2018, 03:52 PM
What new category have you created "NILO CUSHITES"

when a theory hit a dead road its dead . They are called NILO SAHARANS Tall , dark people . They is not such thing as Bantu DNA , not with standing that the word Bantu was created by Europeans to explain African Linguistik similarities. When Europeans arrived in Africa in the late 1400 they war confronted by a diversity of Humanity and language that they never imagined ,
Most terms that we use today like

CUSHITE all false terms based on Myths of the Bible / KORAN / TORAH. WE know now that KUSH comes from the word KUSI which means SOUTH in Swahili K(abstract /Object /Kitu) + UA (Be /sein ) + noun USI ( black) = TO BE BLACK / this word can be read

KWA ZULU and KUWA ZULU is the same as KU WA USI or KWA USI = KUSI and KUSINI ( SOUTH= SOUD or SOOT ) describing color black = NILO SAHARAN PEOPLE .

Same applies to BANTU WATU / ANDU = THEY OF NTU/NDU =MDW/ MTU

MUTWE / MATUA = The HEAD / THE DECISION MAKER / That which is responsible for NAMING = DUA or ITWA

TUA / TEMA SEMA Logic and Speech translated as WORDS or Articulations = Hence ANY HUMAN WHO CAN SPEAK = BANTU . or MTU

Hence any being that looks like a HUMAN with a HEAD / LOGIC and SPEECH iS a MTU and Belongs to the BANTU .

There is neither a Y Bantu DNA nor a Bantu Mtdna

Since the Proto Bantu = the Proto Human language the skill of expressing his Emotions in articulation through complex Speech other through CLICKs and Tones but in form of Words.


We can't keep on thinking like 19th century Europeans, IF E is the tree and all sub scales are Branches them we are speaking of the same tree meaning the so called Cushites , the so Called North Africans , the so called Sub Sahara of E are have one single ancestor while Pygmies and Khoisan have a different lineage .

if E is predominant to Africa then the sub scales of E outside Africa are related to the so called North Africans then it is more than likely that the Y Dna E is a complete separate Humanoid group that only Existed in Africa and never left Africa . E halpo groups also carry the MUC7 gene that is only unique to them indicating the Y ADAM E might be a complete separate Humanoid and distinctive species of sapience that is not related to other Males outside of Africa.

A Northern branch of its Male lineage might have mated with Eurosian Females of a Hybrid (Early homo sapience and Neandertalers) to give rise to Euro-Asia characteristic of Northerners and Horner . The modern Human is a product of Cross breeding of HOMOs of all Spieces and the characteristic traits can be seen in the diversity of traits in Humans Today .

KingKhalasi
09-03-2018, 04:42 PM
Mto wa Nyoka ni Nyoka ....( The offsring of a Serpent is a Serpent ) not a rat

Natufian fossils that were analysed for ancient DNA were found to carry the paternal haplogroup E1b1(xE1b1a1,E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%).[5]

This haplogroup is now found mostly in Africa, mainly in the form of its predominant subclades E-M215 and E-V38. E-M215 is more common in Northern Africa and the Horn of Africa, and is also found at lower frequencies in the Middle East, Europe and Southern Africa. E-V38 is more common in West Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes, and occurs at low frequencies in North Africa and Middle East.

do you happen to know what Ethiopians are made out of? like are they half "Nilo Saharan" and half west Eurasian/arab? or is their African part distinguishable from other east africans?


Also how closely related are Central Africans/Congolese to for example Tanzanians?

MTU
09-03-2018, 07:36 PM
Ethiopians have more Nilo sharan admixture than Somalis. Melanesians, Australian Aboriginals and Papua people , Tamils , South Indians are the Euro Asian population to whom many Horner are related to. Mtdna M and N ( very common in Most so called Cushites) They have mixtures of Caucasus Y dna J and Mtdna HV /H I J . The adaptation of Herding in the Near East by Caucasians from the area go Todays Georgia who moved southwards in the last Ice Age and adopted a Pastrol lifestyle of herding Moved as far south as Northern Tanzania . The Elmolo , Samburu and Rendile People of Kenyan Nomads share maternal DNA with Groups of Southern / Eastern Europeans like Croatians . But this Mtdna clades are now rare in Europe.

Eastern Africa is classified on its own since it has a unique genome of the founder populations with varying levels of Asian / Europeans /and Africans genealogy .

MTU
09-03-2018, 08:08 PM
Depending on which region of Congo or Tanzania one comes from is the genealogy admixture different . North East Congo are mixed with Nilo saharans and early Cushites just like in Rwanda and Northern Tanzania and Most of Kenya . Northern Tanzania and Congolese from Central and Western Congo have different admixtures .

The Central West Congolese are heavily mixed with indigenous pygymy groups while Eastern Congolese and Tanzanias are mixed with Khoi San , Sandwe HG Early cushites and Nilo saharans .

There are different Races of black People in Africa admixtures depend on the Region and its Races of people . The Bantu people are a mixture of different people from these all of these groups .

kawhi
09-04-2018, 01:58 PM
Mto wa Nyoka ni Nyoka ....( The offsring of a Serpent is a Serpent ) not a rat

Natufian fossils that were analysed for ancient DNA were found to carry the paternal haplogroup E1b1(xE1b1a1,E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%).[5]

This haplogroup is now found mostly in Africa, mainly in the form of its predominant subclades E-M215 and E-V38. E-M215 is more common in Northern Africa and the Horn of Africa, and is also found at lower frequencies in the Middle East, Europe and Southern Africa. E-V38 is more common in West Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes, and occurs at low frequencies in North Africa and Middle East.

Whatever branch they carried, it is not ancestral to all E1b1 branches. E1b1a is Sub Saharan African in origin. If one of those branches moved into the levant, whatever that branch is, it is not responsible for all E1b1a branches.

MTU
09-05-2018, 09:48 AM
There is word we use in kikuyu for Foolishness KĪRIMU or in Plural ĪRIMU ( Morons) This is the Same word used in Arabic to mead Education ILIM or ELIMU in Swahili. My kikuyu wisdom tells me you can't educated a clever Person , they learn from self , Morons need education since they have a problem and difficulties with thinking KIREMA / KILEMA ( A handicaped)

If the father is E1b1 and has two Sons E1b1a and E1b1b then surely these two are brothers and all their children are cousins , this is called simple logic thinking .

As i would say in swahili ELIMU ni NGUMU kwa MTU ana ulemavu wa akili ( education is difficult for someone who has difficulties learning )
NĪ KIRĪMU (foolishness is a form of Handicap ) that is why people need ELIMU.

With all due respect.

Wangari
09-07-2018, 06:01 PM
There is word we use in kikuyu for Foolishness KĪRIMU or in Plural ĪRIMU ( Morons) This is the Same word used in Arabic to mead Education ILIM or ELIMU in Swahili. My kikuyu wisdom tells me you can't educated a clever Person , they learn from self , Morons need education since they have a problem and difficulties with thinking KIREMA / KILEMA ( A handicaped)

If the father is E1b1 and has two Sons E1b1a and E1b1b then surely these two are brothers and all their children are cousins , this is called simple logic thinking .

As i would say in swahili ELIMU ni NGUMU kwa MTU ana ulemavu wa akili ( education is difficult for someone who has difficulties learning )
NĪ KIRĪMU (foolishness is a form of Handicap ) that is why people need ELIMU.

With all due respect.

My brother, there's no need to be so hostile and defensive. You are better than that. Besides, you come from a tradition and culture that respects others regardless of their opinion.

As a fellow Kikuyu, I'm inclined to believe that our heritage is not as clear cut as has been cited by you and others on this forum and elsewhere. Let's look at this logically, without ignoring the preponderance of genetic and historical evidence.

Isn't it possible that some Kikuyu are infact predominantly descendants of the invading Bantu iron wielding Cameroonian/Congo forces? Isn't it also absolutely conceivable that during this invasion that entire cushitic, hunter gatherer, and nilotic tribes and villages were forcibly absorbed and had to adopt the language and culture of these invaders? So with this in mind why should it surprise anyone that genetically you exhibit an amalgamation of many groups? Isn't it possible that there are in fact some Kikuyu; e.g...those that live in overlapping areas such as Nyahururu in the North, Kiambu in the West and South West and Kirinyaga in the East who are in fact direct descendants of the Maasai, Borana, Dorobo, and Gumba? In other words, some Kikuyu" are in fact Maasai or Borana, or... you get the picture. As for how many aren't authentic Kikuyu, we don't know. More data is needed.

I have seen documentation that points to this; for example, according to Tishkoff's work, there are some Kikuyu that have an abnormally high amount of cushitic ancestry...and I'm sure that if every single Kikuyu was sampled, the genetic data would vary widely and show that there are some that are, for example, predominantly nilotic...etc.

So, let's calm ourselves and in your case, let's embrace the possibility that you are partly right and the others are partly right. No need to embroil ourselves in shouting matches for we ought not stoop so low as to appear crass, uncivil and even foolish.

Much love from Canada.

MTU
09-08-2018, 10:00 AM
Hi Wangari, appearing crass ,uncivil or even foolish has never worried me , and in any case people who have not feared of being judged by conformist idea have led the word forward. Oral history is part of History and can't be Ignored. Hence if a Mere says they came from the north and a Mzungu( without genetic evidence in the 40´s) says the came from West African , then i will tend to believe the Native who's oral history is as good as the white mans History.

In oder to Establish the Origin and spread of Bantu people , it is more important to look at the Martenal Lineage of this groups rather than the Partenal lineage , this rule applies to all groups of people. Today we know that most of modern Europeans have their origins from three groups of people Hunters and gatheres , Farmers and Iron age metal workers from the Caucasus. This was only possible by the study of the Maternal lineages of Modern Europeans and ancient populations.

If we apply the same methodology on the African population , it debunks the theory of a western origin of Bantu people , since North east africans SUDAN ; ETHIOPIANS, SOMALIS share the same Maternal lineages with most Bantu , Nilotic , Populations . 50% of Somalis , 60% of Ethiopians , 80 % of Sudanese people arise from the same Maternal lineages as most other Africans.

The African Maternal lineage L is the predominant lineage in Africa since the emergence of Man in the planet shows no replacement other than in the north eastern part of Africa where lineage M, N , R , HV may have moved in from Euro Asia . Meaning all other Africa population have always been there and never came from somewhere else. There is Bantu Mtdna it doesn't exist Bantu people carry all L clades from L0-L5 .

Further more a theory is remains a theory , there is no Archelogical/ genetic evidence of mass Movements of People from West to East and south , it just doesn't exist all there is a common language and similar culture but not artifacts to point a common point of Origin. My argument is Bnatu is a Culture than a People , its the culture of Grain and Iron . Grain being Sorgum , and Millet that was domesticate and Farmed from the West Sahel to the Sudan , Iron smelting technology from 200 BC in Oboui in central Africa , 1000 BC Nok in Nigeria and Meroe in the Sudan. The Metal industry involved use of tones of organic fuel ( Wood ) This led to desertification of the Sahel , Sudanic regions forcing Population that war not homogenous southwards. The Emergence of this Culture has no single point of origin but a Trance Saharan/ Sahel origin .

The Theory of Bantu Origin in the west was a ploy to delegitimize Africans claim to rich Agriculture land that colonial Europeans wanted to occupy , remember the white highland in Kenya , and the same ghost is hunting Zimbabwe and south Africa... Remember there is no Archeological Evidence that documents a Mass migration People have always been where they are not even the hypothesized Pro Bantu has ever existed there is just no scientific evidence .

(Isn't it possible that some Kikuyu are infact predominantly descendants of the invading Bantu iron wielding Cameroonian/Congo forces?) There is no evidence of a war of conquest none that has been found to-date.....you see that is how miseducated we are , we believe in hypothesizes of things that have never happened .

MTU
09-08-2018, 10:01 AM
Hi Wangari, appearing crass ,uncivil or even foolish has never worried me , and in any case people who have not feared of being judged by conformist idea have led the word forward. Oral history is part of History and can't be Ignored. Hence if a Mere says they came from the north and a Mzungu( without genetic evidence in the 40´s) says the came from West African , then i will tend to believe the Native who's oral history is as good as the white mans History.

In oder to Establish the Origin and spread of Bantu people , it is more important to look at the Martenal Lineage of this groups rather than the Partenal lineage , this rule applies to all groups of people. Today we know that most of modern Europeans have their origins from three groups of people Hunters and gatheres , Farmers and Iron age metal workers from the Caucasus. This was only possible by the study of the Maternal lineages of Modern Europeans and ancient populations.

If we apply the same methodology on the African population , it debunks the theory of a western origin of Bantu people , since North east africans SUDAN ; ETHIOPIANS, SOMALIS share the same Maternal lineages with most Bantu , Nilotic , Populations . 50% of Somalis , 60% of Ethiopians , 80 % of Sudanese people arise from the same Maternal lineages as most other Africans.

The African Maternal lineage L is the predominant lineage in Africa since the emergence of Man in the planet shows no replacement other than in the north eastern part of Africa where lineage M, N , R , HV may have moved in from Euro Asia . Meaning all other Africa population have always been there and never came from somewhere else. There is Bantu Mtdna it doesn't exist Bantu people carry all L clades from L0-L5 .

Further more a theory is remains a theory , there is no Archelogical/ genetic evidence of mass Movements of People from West to East and south , it just doesn't exist all there is a common language and similar culture but not artifacts to point a common point of Origin. My argument is Bnatu is a Culture than a People , its the culture of Grain and Iron . Grain being Sorgum , and Millet that was domesticate and Farmed from the West Sahel to the Sudan , Iron smelting technology from 200 BC in Oboui in central Africa , 1000 BC Nok in Nigeria and Meroe in the Sudan. The Metal industry involved use of tones of organic fuel ( Wood ) This led to desertification of the Sahel , Sudanic regions forcing Population that war not homogenous southwards. The Emergence of this Culture has no single point of origin but a Trance Saharan/ Sahel origin .

The Theory of Bantu Origin in the west was a ploy to delegitimize Africans claim to rich Agriculture land that colonial Europeans wanted to occupy , remember the white highland in Kenya , and the same ghost is hunting Zimbabwe and south Africa... Remember there is no Archeological Evidence that documents a Mass migration People have always been where they are not even the hypothesized Pro Bantu has ever existed there is just no scientific evidence .

(Isn't it possible that some Kikuyu are infact predominantly descendants of the invading Bantu iron wielding Cameroonian/Congo forces?) There is no evidence of a war of conquest none that has been found to-date.....you see that is how miseducated we are , we believe in hypothesizes of things that have never happened .

MTU
09-08-2018, 10:28 AM
It is difficult to trace the origin of L2a with any confidence. The deepest part of L2a, represented by clusters α1-α3, is most common in East Africa. However, the diversity and TMRCA are similar in East (61,250 [SE 13,500] years) and West (54,100 [SE 17,087] years) Africa. The diversity accumulated separately in East and West Africa, estimated from the main shared founder types (and disregarding the possibility of subsequent gene flow), is again similar in the two regions, at ∼14,000 years (14,100 years [SE 5,100], and 13,800 years [SE 4,700], respectively), suggesting a separation shortly after the Last Glacial Maximum. An easterly origin for L2a also faces the following difficulties: that the other subclades of L2 (L2b, L2c, and L2d) have a clear western distribution, and that L2d diverges earlier in the mtDNA phylogeny than L2a (Torroni et al. 2001). A possible solution would be an origin for L2a somewhere between east and west, followed by dispersals in both directions along the Sahel corridor.

This is the Challenge that Scientist faced with while dealing with African genealogy , the time frames of Migration go as far back as 54,000 years , L2 which is common among both Bantus and None Bantus Africans have been found as far as Neolithic Syria ( about 10,000 years agao)

Haplogroup L2a1 has been found in ancient fossils associated with the Pre-Pottery Neolithic culture at Tell Halula, Syria.A specimen excavated at the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic site of Luxmanda in Tanzania also carried the L2a1 clade. Admixture clustering analysis further indicated that the individual bore significant ancestry from the ancient Levant, confirming ancestral ties between the makers of the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic and the Pre-Pottery Neolithic.

The narrative of originating in Cameroon doesn't fit the evidence on the ground. Africans have been migrating within and without the continent for over 100,000 years

MTU
09-08-2018, 10:50 AM
Haplogroup L2a1
L2a can be further divided into L2a1, harboring the transition at 16309 (Salas et al. 2002).

This subclade is observed at varying frequencies in West Africa among the Malinke, Wolof, and others; among the North Africans;in the Sahel among the Hausa, Fulbe, and others; in Central Africa among the Bamileke, Fali, and others; in South Africa among the Khoisan family including the Khwe and Bantu speakers; and in East Africa among the Kikuyu from Kenya.

All L2 clades present in Ethiopia are mainly derived from the two subclades, L2a1 and L2b. L2a1 is defined by mutations at 12693, 15784 and 16309. Most Ethiopian L2a1 sequences share mutations at nps 16189 and 16309. However, whereas the majority (26 out of 33) African Americans share Haplogroup L2a complete sequences could be partitioned into four subclades by substitutions at nps L2a1e-3495, L2a1a-3918, L2a1f-5581, and L2a1i-15229. None of those sequences, were observed in Ethiopian 16309 L2a1 samples.

Haplogroup L2a1 has also been observed among the Mahra

Haplogroup L2a1 has been found in ancient fossils associated with the Pre-Pottery Neolithic culture at Tell Halula, Syria A specimen excavated at the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic site of Luxmanda in Tanzania also carried the L2a1 clade. Admixture clustering analysis further indicated that the individual bore significant ancestry from the ancient Levant, confirming ancestral ties between the makers of the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic and the Pre-Pottery Neolithic.


NOW if a Woman remains from 7500 BC /9500 yearsago found in Northern syria is related to Both west Africans,East Africans and Southern Africans How can it then be that Cameroon becomes the common origin of Bantus around 3000 BC ? that is what i call UGWATI when Evidence doesn't match the Narrative . Asking such questions is not crass or foolish it is refusing to accept a narrative since i think and see something doesn't just add up.

NetNomad
09-10-2018, 06:55 PM
Bantus come from West Africa (South Nigeria / South Cameroon). You are not completely native to Kenya.

Misinterpreting haplogroups will not change this fact.

NetNomad
09-10-2018, 07:04 PM
I have seen documentation that points to this; for example, according to Tishkoff's work, there are some Kikuyu that have an abnormally high amount of cushitic ancestry...and I'm sure that if every single Kikuyu was sampled, the genetic data would vary widely and show that there are some that are, for example, predominantly nilotic...etc.

The biggest cluster for Kikuyus in Tishkoff's study was still the Bantu Niger-Congo (orange) cluster. It fully supports the Bantu hypothesis.

Look at the E-M2 haplogroups of Luhyas.. around 5,000-3,000 years before present they start splitting from Yorubus. Completely in agreement with the Bantu ethnogenisis:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M2/

Why are you guys denying your history??

NetNomad
09-10-2018, 07:31 PM
Further more a theory is remains a theory , there is no Archelogical/ genetic evidence of mass Movements of People from West to East and south , it just doesn't exist all there is a common language and similar culture but not artifacts to point a common point of Origin. My argument is Bnatu is a Culture than a People

Dude, stop lying!

Ancient DNA exists for Southeast Africa. The oldest remains do not have any West African autosomal clusters, while the younger material do because guess what: Bantus from Cameroon migrated to this region.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(17)31008-5

Accept your roots and stop acting like a flat earth science denying lunatic.

MTU
09-11-2018, 11:28 AM
The Y DNA of Paleo Africans ( Hunters and Gatheres ) is A and B . with A00 being found in Cameroon meaning Ancient populations of Cameroon war Hunters and gatherers that Modern African Lineage is E musst have replaced this Hunters and gatherers. So where did the E clad come from?

The San and Khoi are Y Dna As and Bs so are the Original East Africans the remaining Hadza and some Nilo Saharan tribes in Kenya , South Sudan, Uganda and Ethiopia still carry A B Y dna which is an African marker from Basal A B African Male Humans.


My roots are not limited to West African but i happen to have a multiple ancestry from all corners of the Continent but primarily East Africa (i am Genetically a true African) so no i embrace my Pan African roots .

NetNomad
09-11-2018, 12:11 PM
The Y DNA of Paleo Africans ( Hunters and Gatheres ) is A and B . with A00 being found in Cameroon meaning Ancient populations of Cameroon war Hunters and gatherers that Modern African Lineage is E musst have replaced this Hunters and gatherers. So where did the E clad come from?

The San and Khoi are Y Dna As and Bs so are the Original East Africans the remaining Hadza and some Nilo Saharan tribes in Kenya , South Sudan, Uganda and Ethiopia still carry A B Y dna which is an African marker from Basal A B African Male Humans.


My roots are not limited to West African but i happen to have a multiple ancestry from all corners of the Continent but primarily East Africa (i am Genetically a true African) so no i embrace my Pan African roots .

Why are you always misintepreting haplogroups!

The main haplogroup in Southern Cameroon around 4,000 BC when the Bantu migration started was E-M2 and to a lesser extent E-M75.

Splinter subgroups of the above macro-haplogroups start occuring around 5,000-3,000 years before present and move East and South, exactly when the Bantu expansion happened. It is a scientific fact.

Wangari
09-12-2018, 02:50 PM
The biggest cluster for Kikuyus in Tishkoff's study was still the Bantu Niger-Congo (orange) cluster. It fully supports the Bantu hypothesis.

Look at the E-M2 haplogroups of Luhyas.. around 5,000-3,000 years before present they start splitting from Yorubus. Completely in agreement with the Bantu ethnogenisis:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M2/

Why are you guys denying your history??

I agree in part. It's true that the vast majority of Kikuyu are genetically predominantly Bantu - there is no denying that based on genetic evidence. However, there are others who are an even mix of all three major East African groups. And there are still others who are less Bantu and more something else. For example, I know of certain Kikuyu families in the Kabete region who have known Maasai ancestry. Some have upto 3/4 Maasai ancestry. It was and is still common for Kikuyu and Maasai in that particular region to intermarry. But I do agree that the genetic evidence points to Kikuyu being predominantly Bantu.

Listen my brother, I embrace my entire heritage; whether it's Bantu, cushitic, nilotic, hunter gatherer.... It's all very beautiful and wonderful. I cannot deny any of them or claim that one heritage is better than another... that would be akin to denying my own family... they are who I am. Delving into my ancestry makes me feel a kinship with all Horners, West Africans, Cameroonians, Pygmy, Khoisan, Middle Eastern groups, Amazigh, all of them! At some point in the distant or recent past we shared a common ancestor...

I do not deny, I embrace.

Let's embrace one another rather than squabble over who is more East African or less west African than the other. We are one.

MTU
09-14-2018, 02:50 AM
The variation in ancestry just tell us from which population we come from , having a a 40% west African Component means your 60 % something else . Our history and heritage is East , West , Central, and North Eastern African ( A true four point African ) We are linguistically culturally Part of the 360 million strong Bantu community and the larger 700 million million strong NIGER- CONGO group.

There is no genetic homogeneity among these people , the variations are as wide as by other groups. Niger Congo or Indo Europeans are shared linguistic ancestry , and shared male ancestry which varies in % from group to group due to biased selection in reproduction.

Being Kikuyu my History and genealogy is Pan African i am a Blood relative of Yoruba an Oromo/ Somali , a Nilotic herder and Western Semitic People in Equal measure . Hence my Ancestry is the point of convergence of this people Central Kenya. So I am not in denial since i don't belong to any drawer but a chest of drawers.

Bantu Langauges in east Africa are as different as the people who speak them . Luyha is more similar in words and tone to Southern African Bantus as it is to Kikuyu or, which clusters close to Eastern Kongo languages . The Bantu Agikuyu share the same language ancestors will all THAGICU PEOPLE Eastern kongo , Rwanda, Burundi and Northern Tanzania bantus ( very close the Sonjo (a temi) the Segeju , the Dheisu, Mijikenda , Taita, kamba, Meru , Embu, Mbeere.

The THAGICU people seems to be the main group out of which North Eastern Bantus ,mostly those of Central, south kenya , northern Tanzania, Rwanda , Eastern Kongo Burundi , south Western Uganda come from They seem to have been half nomads who where more culturally close to Nilo Saharans such as the Maasai , and Kalenjins and other Herding Nomads.

This languages cluster very close together and build the core around which Swahili emerges words likes

ONE= IMWE = IMO UE and Swahili MO JAA can be translated to mean To contain an essence = is to be hence ZERO (ceasing to exist) while ONE is the beginning of existence and this is the Concept of YAHWE (To beging to exist)

When you know you are in a battle you don't fear to squabble , to go against the grain
WHEN something in you tells you the prefix MOH before AHMET in MOH AMED is Equal to MOH before RĪĪTHI in the MOHRIITHI , MOHTHAMA , MOHTHONI

And if one has an Understanding of the Bantu linguistics and the rules of Class nouns Then Arabs and Hebrews must have been in contact with this languages well before 4000BC because Hebrew and Arabic contain Bantu linguistic signatures which are not supposed to be there if Cameroon is the Homeland and point of dispersal meaning there is a pre Cameroon point of origin and dispersal Since words like MBURI (Goat) and BORE ( Mande ) can be traced to a single word in proto Mande that is at least 9000 years old . The story of the BORE / MBURI ( goat) begins in the Central Sahara in the Neolithic the difference between the two words in the Bantu class noun prefix M , while Mande doesn't have the complex noun classed of Bantu but they both have a single Ancestor.


The Origin of Niger- Congo and Nilo saharan is Between the Atlantic and the Nile in the Holance time period , the movement of People southwards was a symmetrical

Only the Sahara can give us correct Answer of the African History for there was a large movement southwards of E1b1a and E1b1b and the topography of Africa seems to have dictated this Movements as per Occupation either Framers and Herder. There seems to be a single point of origin THE SAHARA

Angoliga
09-16-2018, 04:36 AM
Hello fellow Africans,

If you haven't already, please feel free to share your updated Ancestry results - I finally got mine and would like to look for consistencies with different ethnic groups/regions.

Here's mine:

Update:
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers 57%
Eastern Africa 29%
Mali 8%
Nigeria 4%
Benin/Togo 1%
Senegal 1%

Previous:
Africa Southeastern Bantu 98%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers <1%
Senegal <1%


Some observations:
Looks like they've done a royal blunder for the Nilotic/Ancient_East_African component -- you'd think they'd breakdown East-Africa correctly after all the confusion with "Africa Southeastern Bantu". The misread seems inconsistent, it's done the same for the results of horners mentioned in a previous post. There's a huge bulk of Nilotic/AEA being highly misread as "Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers" with the rest going into "Eastern-African". Although my previous affinity for HG was minor (<1%), it's usually not odd for me to get between 5-15%, so some of this affinity should be real in my case.

Aside from the misinterpreted HG/Eastern Africa component, the West-African affinities make perfect sense for me as a Central-Sudanic speaker from the West-Nile region of Uganda.

Central Sudanic speakers are believed to have migrated from the Lake Chad basin after the drying of the Green Sahara, so my highest West-African affinities being from adjacent regions to Chad makes sense (Mali, Niger, Nigeria). The migration route from Chad seems reconfirmed by the complete lack of the component "Cameroon, Congo, and Southern Bantu Peoples" -- the irony is my previous results were 98% "Africa Southeastern Bantu"

- it goes to show, you should never automatically interpret the nomenclature of these components for face value

Jahealy
09-16-2018, 10:11 AM
My previous results were
African Southeastern Bantu 100%
My updated results are
African-South-Central Hunter Gatherers 66%
Eastern Africa 28%
Mali 6%

Jahealy
09-16-2018, 10:11 AM
My previous results were
African Southeastern Bantu 100%
My updated results are
African-South-Central Hunter Gatherers 66%
Eastern Africa 28%
Mali 6%

Hurricane
09-16-2018, 11:05 AM
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I also uploaded my LivingDna RD to MyHeritage
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Angoliga
09-16-2018, 02:57 PM
My previous results were
African Southeastern Bantu 100%
My updated results are
African-South-Central Hunter Gatherers 66%
Eastern Africa 28%
Mali 6%

Wow, interesting results -- very similar to mine.
Apart from myself, I don't think I recall seeing a previous higher score for African Southeastern Bantu.

What's your ethnic background? I'm guessing your parents are both Nilotic (South-Sudanese, N. Ugandan)?


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I also uploaded my LivingDna RD to MyHeritage
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If I'm not mistaken, your past admix results from other calcs always gave you a substantial amount of Ancient_East_African/Nilotic -- correct me if I'm wrong
So, it's a bit perplexing you didn't get any Eastern African or mistakenly any African-South-Central Hunter Gatherers in this update -- it does look a bit ironic that a Tunisian would get more Bantu then a Ugandan (albeit a Nilote from the NW)
The now complete lack of Senegalese admixture could also be questioned given their genetic influence in the surrounding region of NW Africa -- who knows

Jahealy
09-17-2018, 04:20 AM
Yeah they’re both from South Sudan

Angoliga
09-17-2018, 06:26 PM
Yeah they’re both from South Sudan

Fascinating!

Do you mind sharing the ethnic groups of your parents?
Given the lack of your affinity for "Nigeria" (also encompassing Niger) or any other West-African region south of the Sahel, I'm guessing both your parents are from a more "pure" Nilotic stock (Dinka, Nuer, Shilluk..)

Jahealy
09-17-2018, 07:41 PM
They are Bari

Angoliga
09-17-2018, 09:42 PM
... My updated results are
African-South-Central Hunter Gatherers 66%
Eastern Africa 28%
Mali 6%

If we take the vast bulk of Ancestry's "Eastern African" and "Africa Central-Southern Hunter Gatherer" to mean Nilotic, the Bari ADMIX runs from this paper DO show some consistency. The Bari, labelled in this paper as "Baria", although from a small data-set are shown here with the highest Nilotic affinity in S.Sudan along with the Nuer and Dinka:

https://i.imgur.com/p47QdKO.png
S3 fig. (Hollfellder, 2017 (https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976#pgen.1006976.s004))

I labeled some inferred ancestral clusters for context (Nilotic, Sahelian, Bantu, Cushitic). If we compare your Ancestry results to the pops above, your lack of "Cameroon, Congo, and Southern Bantu Peoples" and "Middle East" (always apparent in Cushitic ancestry) would give Ancestry's update results some serious merit for East-Africans (*Nilotes at least) -- it's just the HG component that would need tweaking



Is this plausible...

Since the Bari are suggested to be among the "purest" of Nilotes, I wonder what can be inferred by the affinity towards Malian ancestry to the exclusion of any other West-African ancestral groups -- not even a touch of the Nigeria (+Niger) ancestral group seems surprising to me. Unless back in antiquity pops with the selected alleles for the Nigeria cluster weren't as apparent in the Sahel region?

As mentioned earlier, my Nigerian affinity makes sense as a Central Sudanic speaker -- in other ADMIX runs (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10347-K36-Eurogenes-(Unofficial)-Oracle-and-other-ancestry-tools&p=382219&viewfull=1#post382219) with PCA, MDS and Denograms, I pull closer to Nilo-Saharan speakers with higher West-African affinities Gemar, Zagawa (Darfur) and Bulala (Chad - also Central Sudanic speakers). In the paper's ADMIX run above, the light blue "Sahelian" component, highest in Darfurians (Gemar, Zagawa) is laden with higher West-African affinities on most calcs when compared to proper-Nilotes (Dinka, Nuer etc.). This West-African affinity might explain my "Nigeria" affinity in Ancestry whereas yours is negligible as shown in the paper's ADMIX run for Baria (negligible amounts of light blue or orange).

We know the Green Sahara period experienced SSA migrations in the southern Sahara. If there shows to be any consistency with Ancestry's update, I wonder in the case of Nilotes if their Malian affinity excluding Nigeria (+Niger) means a return migration from a region north of the Chad basin outside the influence of a "Nigeria" affinity -- either that or the Mali affinity is just reflective of cross-sahelian migrations which could've well taken place in more recent periods of the post-neolithic subluvial/green sahara. For example, there's still Fulani ethnic groups in South-Sudan who cross migrate across the Sahel -- though one would expect Ancestry to detect a dab of "Nigeria", "Middle East" or "Northern Africa" if this were the case. The lack of these AFMD ancestral groups with a non-negligible Malian affinity might mean it was derived from a more ancient pre-pastoral time-period -- those are my musings anyway, one can only take ADMIXTURE with a grain of salt... though it would be nice to compare results of others in the region to validate any consistency

MTU
09-21-2018, 10:09 PM
26108

Y DNA M 96 what does it mean?

Hurricane
09-23-2018, 10:02 AM
Wow, interesting results -- very similar to mine.
Apart from myself, I don't think I recall seeing a previous higher score for African Southeastern Bantu.

What's your ethnic background? I'm guessing your parents are both Nilotic (South-Sudanese, N. Ugandan)?



If I'm not mistaken, your past admix results from other calcs always gave you a substantial amount of Ancient_East_African/Nilotic -- correct me if I'm wrong
So, it's a bit perplexing you didn't get any Eastern African or mistakenly any African-South-Central Hunter Gatherers in this update -- it does look a bit ironic that a Tunisian would get more Bantu then a Ugandan (albeit a Nilote from the NW)
The now complete lack of Senegalese admixture could also be questioned given their genetic influence in the surrounding region of NW Africa -- who knows

Their update is all over the place. I dont find it accurate for both of us.
The African-South-Central Hunter Gatherers component is made up of San and Pigmies. Do you think you have that much?

MTU
09-25-2018, 01:10 PM
My thoughts ...I had always thought that that there is something about the Arabic languages and the Bantu languages that is similar, Apparently the History of Arabs has its root in Yemen in the Kingdom of HIMAYA . by the Proto Arabic tribe TAYY /TAWA .
A good look at the two names HIMAYA and TAYY tell a tale of an African origin of the two names because they mean the same thing in Sabaki languages
( Eastern Bantu languages )

HIMAYA a Kingdom in Yemen the word HIMAYA is translated as Empire or Kingdom in contemporary Arabic , but it comes from the Sabakai languages

HIMAYA = THE KINGDOM

Y= IA = HIMY

HIMIA = means to Impel , To force, or to Urge

HIMIZA = Insist , Urge , Encourage

MUHIMU /MHIMU = Important .

TAYY = THE TRIBE ( original Arab tribe )

HUMILITY , OBIDIENCE, DISCIPLINE ( Swahili (TII ) in Kikuyu ( TĪYA spoken TAEYA)

Hence these two words KINGDOM or Government = Impel, force or Urge , and the RULED = ATĪYI / TII

The Tribe of TAYY / TAA / TAWA / TĪYA became known as the Arabs who conquered the Arabia Peninsula and Established Rules along all over the peninsula .

Words like TAWA ( lamp or source of light in Kikuyu ) = MTAWA ( a righteous Person ) are still used to describe a person who is a source of light
( Knowledgeable and righteous )

The founding lineage of The most influential Arabic Tribe has a strong link of a Sub saharan or the TAYY tribal Lineage , The kikuyu and Hema people seem to have an genetic ancestral link with South West Arabia , that is evident not only in their genetic makeup but in their vocabulary .

Did the Religious war between Christianity and Jews disperse the HIMAYANS who had Practiced Judaism prior to The attack by Axumite Christian kings

Tribal
09-25-2018, 02:45 PM
26108

Y DNA M 96 what does it mean?

If you're interested in M-96 DNA, then you should read the forum topic that I made in the Africa section.

Horner
10-04-2018, 02:59 AM
Nothing to see here with the Ancestrydna update for East Africans, unfortunately. I just logged into my old Ancestrydna account to see these updates for my account and related matches. Of 10 account updates I noted ancestry ranges of ~52-56% ME, 34-36% Africa South Hunter Gatherers, 7-10% East Africa, 1-3% North Africa. Note that you actually have to elect the update when you log in. Not sure why the East African reference group isn't more representative.

At the same time 23andme has done an update for V5 users. This update reports North/Central Ethiopians & Eritreans as near 100% East African now, with "Ethiopian & Eritrean" subtitles. A couple of my V5 Eritrean matches show small amounts of "Sudanese" in their makeup which makes sense given the location and the reference methodology 23andme is deploying. Not sure how the new version has affected Somali users as I don't currently share with any V5 users.

These differences between versions will likely confuse people who want to compare. All in all I don't find these updates particularly informative for East Africans. With more surveying of users by these two, however, they have the potential to provide more insight in the future.

NetNomad
10-06-2018, 08:17 PM
At the same time 23andme has done an update for V5 users. This update reports North/Central Ethiopians & Eritreans as near 100% East African now, with "Ethiopian & Eritrean" subtitles. A couple of my V5 Eritrean matches show small amounts of "Sudanese" in their makeup which makes sense given the location and the reference methodology 23andme is deploying. Not sure how the new version has affected Somali users as I don't currently share with any V5 users.

23andMe should, in my opinion for accuracy's sake, create an Omotic category. As they are not close to the ''Sudanese'', Habeshas, or Somalis.

But I doubt they'd care given almost no customers come from that area.

Hurricane
12-07-2018, 08:30 PM
This week i received my results for...
INSITOME
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JFWinstone
02-13-2019, 10:21 PM
A few of my mum’s matches (AncestryDNA)

Botswana
83% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
13% Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers
4% Eastern Africa

Zimbabwe
98% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
2% Eastern Africa
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87% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
13% Eastern Africa

Mozambique
90% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
6% Northern Africa
4% Middle East

Uganda
42% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
57% Eastern Africa
1% Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers

JFWinstone
02-17-2019, 11:45 PM
South African

71% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
21% African South Central Hunter Gatherers
8% Eastern Africa

JFWinstone
02-19-2019, 06:01 PM
Kenyan

66% Eastern Africa
33% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
1% Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers

Hurricane
02-19-2019, 09:12 PM
Sudanese (Mother's match)


Sub-Saharan African - 99.6%
Sudanese 95.1%
Senegambian & Guinean 0.1%
Ethiopian & Eritrean 2.9%
Broadly Northern East African 1.5%

Unassigned 0.4%


Sudanese (father's match)
Sub-Saharan African 89.8%
Sudanese 88.2%
Ghanaian, Liberian & Sierra Leonean 0.2%
Somali 0.5%
Broadly West African 0.1%
Broadly Northern East African 0.5%
Broadly Sub-Saharan African 0.3%
Western Asian & North African 8.9%
North African & Arabian 8.9%
European 0.3%
Broadly Southern European 0.1%
Broadly European 0.1%
Unassigned 1.0%

1/2 Tunisian 1/2 american (my match)
England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 31%
Mali 13%
Germanic Europe 12%
Northern Africa 11%
Italy 9%
Cameroon, Congo, and Southern Bantu Peoples 6%
Ivory Coast/Ghana 3%
France 3%
Benin/Togo 3%
Nigeria 3%
Spain 2%
Portugal 2%
Baltic States1%

I had a match that scored about 95% Mali, but i cant see his results anymore..

JFWinstone
02-20-2019, 04:07 PM
Malagasy (AncestryDNA not updated)

Asia East - 47%
Polynesia - 19%
Africa Southeastern Bantu - 14%
Cameroon/Congo - 15%
Asia South - 2%
Africa North - 1%

Asia East - 43%
Africa Southeastern Bantu - 21%
Polynesia - 21%
Senegal - 4%
Cameroon/Congo - 4%
Asia South - 4%
Nigeria - 2%

Asia East - 37%
Africa Southeastern Bantu - 32%
Polynesia - 12%
Cameroon/Congo - 9%
Nigeria - 6%
Asia South - 2%

Malagasy (AncestryDNA updated)

64% Philippines
27% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
3% Southeast Asia - Vietnam
2% Southeast Asia - Dai (Tai)
2% Eastern Africa
1% Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers

69% Philippines
20% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
7% Eastern Africa
3% Southeast Asia - Vietnam
1% Middle East

68% Philippines
20% Cameroon, Congo and Southeastern Bantu Peoples
8% Southeast Asia - Vietnam
4% Eastern Africa

Lank
02-25-2019, 05:52 PM
This is pretty interesting, the PuntDNA K15 results of an Eritrean Saho. Saho is a Cushitic language closely related to Afar. The results look similar to the neighboring Tigray/Tigrinya but with clearly less Omotic, may be fairly similar to the Tigre/Beni Amer.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Horn_Of_Africa 39.62
2 Wht_Nile_River 21.41
3 SW_Asian 15.92
4 Mediterranean 10.98
5 Omo_River 3.89
6 Caucasian 3.4
7 W_African 1.86
8 S_African 1.32
9 Beringian 0.83
10 NE_European 0.61
11 E_Asian 0.09
12 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tygray 3.54
2 Eritrean 3.7
3 Amhara 4.44
4 Afar 5.26
5 Oromo 9.6
6 Somali 17.78
7 Wolayta 25.37
8 Somali_Benadiri 26.78
9 Maasai 32.49
10 Egyptian 37.38
11 Sandawe 37.9
12 Yemenite_Jew 37.98
13 Yemenese 38.28
14 Libyan 39.13
15 Mozabite_Berber 41.27
16 Moroccan 41.58
17 Bedouin_A 45.58
18 Syrian 45.85
19 Jordanian 46.02
20 Iraqi_Jew 46.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.6% Afar + 10.4% Libyan @ 2.66
2 66.3% Tygray + 33.7% Afar @ 2.69
3 93.7% Afar + 6.3% Sardinian @ 2.81
4 89.5% Tygray + 10.5% Somali @ 2.88
5 89.5% Afar + 10.5% Egyptian @ 2.89
6 89.6% Afar + 10.4% Yemenite_Jew @ 2.9
7 67.1% Eritrean + 32.9% Afar @ 3.05
8 90.6% Afar + 9.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.07
9 92.4% Afar + 7.6% Samaritian @ 3.11
10 93% Afar + 7% Cypriot @ 3.15
11 92.7% Afar + 7.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 3.26
12 91% Afar + 9% Moroccan @ 3.27
13 93% Afar + 7% Sicilian @ 3.31
14 92.9% Afar + 7.1% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.36
15 93.2% Afar + 6.8% Druze @ 3.45
16 92.2% Afar + 7.8% Palestinian @ 3.47
17 67.7% Tygray + 32.3% Eritrean @ 3.49
18 83.2% Tygray + 16.8% Amhara @ 3.5
19 99.7% Tygray + 0.3% East_Greenlander @ 3.53
20 92.2% Afar + 7.8% Jordanian @ 3.53

NetNomad
02-26-2019, 09:19 PM
This is pretty interesting, the PuntDNA K15 results of an Eritrean Saho. Saho is a Cushitic language closely related to Afar. The results look similar to the neighboring Tigray/Tigrinya but with clearly less Omotic, may be fairly similar to the Tigre/Beni Amer.

Geography trumps language classification when it comes to genetics in the Horn. Most groups are simply closest to their nearest neighbors.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Kunama are very different from the Gumuz for instance.

Lank
02-26-2019, 10:48 PM
Geography trumps language classification when it comes to genetics in the Horn. Most groups are simply closest to their nearest neighbors.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Kunama are very different from the Gumuz for instance.
I agree. I think a lot of misconceptions stem from some of the first Y-DNA and autosomal academic samples from the Horn consisting of Semitic speakers and southern Oromos.

Saho have been suggested by some to represent a post-Axumite migration of Afar peoples to the west, where they mixed with other groups. It will be interesting to find some unambiguous Afar samples to compare with (or if they really are represented by Pagani's "Afar" that were also reported as Xamtan Agaw in the original study). If both Afar and Saho turn out to be relatively similar to northern highlanders, Tigre, and northern/central Cushites, it would strengthen the case for proto-Somali speakers representing migration from the southern parts of the Horn.

Agamemnon
02-27-2019, 12:47 AM
Geography trumps language classification when it comes to genetics in the Horn. Most groups are simply closest to their nearest neighbors.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Kunama are very different from the Gumuz for instance.

Or religion for that matter.

khalidmustafa
02-27-2019, 01:35 AM
52% African
48% middle eastern

out of the 20% east African proud to be

NetNomad
02-27-2019, 08:32 AM
I agree. I think a lot of misconceptions stem from some of the first Y-DNA and autosomal academic samples from the Horn consisting of Semitic speakers and southern Oromos.

Saho have been suggested by some to represent a post-Axumite migration of Afar peoples to the west, where they mixed with other groups. It will be interesting to find some unambiguous Afar samples to compare with (or if they really are represented by Pagani's "Afar" that were also reported as Xamtan Agaw in the original study). If both Afar and Saho turn out to be relatively similar to northern highlanders, Tigre, and northern/central Cushites, it would strengthen the case for proto-Somali speakers representing migration from the southern parts of the Horn.

I think the Somali ethnic origin largely happened in this region:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Jubbarivermap.png/600px-Jubbarivermap.png

Wangari
02-28-2019, 04:05 AM
Here are the mostly un-updated ancestry .com results of some of my East African matches. I've verified their ethnicities and have indicated whether the results have been updated or not.

H.M ( Kisii):
Updated:
Eastern Africa - 72%
Cameroon, Congo, Southern Bantu - 23%
Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers - 5%

P.N (Kisii):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 67%
Cameroon Congo - 2%
Africa North - 2%
Nigeria - 13%
Middle East - 9%
Mali - 7%

G.N (Kisii)
Updated:
Eastern Africa - 57%
Cameroon, Congo, Southern Bantu - 31%
Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers - 11%
Middle East - 1%

N.K (Kisii):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 88%
Africa North - 4%
Middle East - 5%
Mali - 2%
Nigeria and Senegal - 1%

B.M (Kisii):
Updated:
Eastern Africa - 68%
Cameroon, Congo, Southern Bantu - 22%
Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers - 9%
Middle East - 1%


V.M (Zambian):
Updated:
Eastern Africa - 8%
Cameroon, Congo, Southern Bantu - 92%

Y.M (Zimbabwe - Masvingo: Ndau, Tsonga, or Tswa):
Cameroon Congo - 51%
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 36%
Nigeria - 9%
Mali - 4%

C.M (Uganda):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 58%
Cameroon Congo - 41%


P.M (Mijikenda):
Updated:
Eastern Africa - 52%
Cameroon, Congo, Southern Bantu - 45%
Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers - 3%

A.W (Maasai? - Kajiado):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 69%
Cameroon Congo - 1%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers - 1%
Africa North - 4%
Middle East - 14%
Nigeria - 6%
Senegal - 2%
Mali - 1%

N.M (Maasai):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 73%
Africa North - 6%
Middle East - 17%
Senegal - 2%

C.M (Kamba):
Updated:
Eastern Africa - 67%
Cameroon, Congo, Southern Bantu - 23%
Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers - 9%
Middle East - 1%

A.M (Kamba):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 65%
Cameroon Congo - 6%
Africa North - 4%
Middle East - 14%
Mali - 10%
Nigeria - 1%

Z.Mulli (Kamba):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 62%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers - 2%
Africa North - 4%
Nigeria - 19%
Middle East - 13%

R.Ndolo (Kamba):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 69%
Africa North - 6%
Nigeria - 14%
Middle East - 10%

L.M ( Kamba):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 62%
Cameroon Congo - 2%
Africa North - 4%
Nigeria - 18%
Middle East - 12%
Senegal - 1%

L.M (Meru - Mwingi):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 67%
Cameroon Congo - 2%
Africa North - 5%
Nigeria - 14%
Middle East - 6%
Benin Togo - 3%
Senegal - 2%

N.M (Meru):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 69%
Africa North - 7%
Middle East - 13%
Senegal - 9%
Nigeria - 1%
Benin Togo - 1%

H.M (Meru):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 36%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers - 1%
Africa North - 9%
Nigeria - 14%
Middle East - 10%
Senegal - 2%

T. Masamba (Embu):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 81%
Africa North - 3%
Middle East - 8%
Senegal - 4%
Benin Togo - 3%

W.M (Kikuyu):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 74%
Africa North - 4%
Middle East - 12%
Mali - 6%
Nigeria - 3%

D.K (Kikuyu):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 83%
Africa North - 5%
Middle East - 9%
Senegal - 2%
Nigeria - 1%

P.Mbogo (Kikuyu):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 70%
Africa North - 6%
Middle East - 11%
Senegal - 10%
Nigeria - 2%

M.M (Kikuyu):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 59%
Cameroon Congo - 8%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers - 2%
Africa North - 6%
Middle East - 12%
Senegal - 5%
Nigeria - 5%
Ivory Coast/Ghana - 2%

U.W (Kikuyu):
Africa South Eastern Bantu - 60%
Cameroon Congo - 3%
Africa North - 4%
Middle East - 13%
Nigeria - 11%
Senegal - 4%
Mali - 4%

K.N (Kikuyu):
Updated:
Eastern Africa - 57%
Cameroon, Congo, Southern Bantu - 17%
Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers - 24%
Northern Africa - 1%
Middle East - 1%

By the way, the guy at tracingafricanroots (Filipe is his name), believes that the Luhya were the primary ethnicity used as the reference population for the new East African category. He thinks that there might be other ethnicities used such as the Maasai and Kikuyu, but ancestry .com has ignored his multiple inquiries.

gihanga.rwanda
02-28-2019, 05:34 PM
I agree. I think a lot of misconceptions stem from some of the first Y-DNA and autosomal academic samples from the Horn consisting of Semitic speakers and southern Oromos.

Saho have been suggested by some to represent a post-Axumite migration of Afar peoples to the west, where they mixed with other groups. It will be interesting to find some unambiguous Afar samples to compare with (or if they really are represented by Pagani's "Afar" that were also reported as Xamtan Agaw in the original study). If both Afar and Saho turn out to be relatively similar to northern highlanders, Tigre, and northern/central Cushites, it would strengthen the case for proto-Somali speakers representing migration from the southern parts of the Horn.

Do you know if the Saho practice a more sedentary lifestyle than the Afar. This is simply eyeballing, but the Saho look more like "highlanders" than the Afar who to me look a lot like Somalis. But then again you can say the same about the Beja but they were found to be more similar to highlanders than their fellow pastoralists; correct me if I am wrong.

Lank
02-28-2019, 09:48 PM
Do you know if the Saho practice a more sedentary lifestyle than the Afar. This is simply eyeballing, but the Saho look more like "highlanders" than the Afar who to me look a lot like Somalis. But then again you can say the same about the Beja but they were found to be more similar to highlanders than their fellow pastoralists; correct me if I am wrong.
From what I understand, Eritrean Saho are mostly pastoral nomads, but have become more agropastoral (or less commonly settled farmers) relatively recently. Further back, seasonal migrations between the highlands and lowlands did take place, and the Saho also took part in the caravan trade routes. So there was certainly interaction, but we don't know how much mixing took place. The Irob of neighboring Tigray in Ethiopia are somewhat atypical as they are Christians and settled farmers.

While we are lacking some confirmed Afar samples, I don't think these Saho results are that surprising. Northern (Beja) and Central (Agaw) Cushites are also fairly similar to Habesha highlanders, after all, and this may even be the case for some non-Agaw central Ethiopian Cushitic groups too. I don't think Saho-Afar being originally Somali-like and mixing with highlanders fits all that well with this Saho sample's results. He just looks similar to Tigray/Tigrinya with reduced Omotic, he also has less Omotic than the Tigre and Beni Amer samples I checked. FWIW I don't think Afars or Bejas look physically that much like Somalis in particular, beyond the features shared between most Cushitic/Ethiosemitic Horners. I wouldn't be shocked if Afar turn out with similar levels of Eurasian as Agaws.

drobbah
02-28-2019, 10:32 PM
Do you know if the Saho practice a more sedentary lifestyle than the Afar. This is simply eyeballing, but the Saho look more like "highlanders" than the Afar who to me look a lot like Somalis. But then again you can say the same about the Beja but they were found to be more similar to highlanders than their fellow pastoralists; correct me if I am wrong.

The Afars I have seen don't look like Somalis.Yes they are dark compared to the highlanders but they have different looks and their height is quite similiar to highlanders.The only ethnic group that I can't distinguish from Somalis would probably be Eastern Oromos like the Afran Qollo,Arsi etc.

NetNomad
03-01-2019, 07:28 AM
Do you know if the Saho practice a more sedentary lifestyle than the Afar. This is simply eyeballing, but the Saho look more like "highlanders" than the Afar who to me look a lot like Somalis. But then again you can say the same about the Beja but they were found to be more similar to highlanders than their fellow pastoralists; correct me if I am wrong.

I think that only the Afar of Djibouti will be mixed with Somalis autosomally. While the Afar of Ethiopia and Eritrea will be quite distant from Somalis.

The higher T1a in Djibouti Afars suggest this (the Somalis of Djibouti have high T, but are autosomally similar to those of Somaliland (NW Somalia).

NetNomad
03-01-2019, 06:47 PM
From what I understand, Eritrean Saho are mostly pastoral nomads, but have become more agropastoral (or less commonly settled farmers) relatively recently. Further back, seasonal migrations between the highlands and lowlands did take place, and the Saho also took part in the caravan trade routes. So there was certainly interaction, but we don't know how much mixing took place. The Irob of neighboring Tigray in Ethiopia are somewhat atypical as they are Christians and settled farmers.

While we are lacking some confirmed Afar samples, I don't think these Saho results are that surprising. Northern (Beja) and Central (Agaw) Cushites are also fairly similar to Habesha highlanders, after all, and this may even be the case for some non-Agaw central Ethiopian Cushitic groups too. I don't think Saho-Afar being originally Somali-like and mixing with highlanders fits all that well with this Saho sample's results. He just looks similar to Tigray/Tigrinya with reduced Omotic, he also has less Omotic than the Tigre and Beni Amer samples I checked. FWIW I don't think Afars or Bejas look physically that much like Somalis in particular, beyond the features shared between most Cushitic/Ethiosemitic Horners. I wouldn't be shocked if Afar turn out with similar levels of Eurasian as Agaws.

I have been to Djibouti and it is incredibly hard to tell who is Afar and who is Somali based on looks. Practically impossible. While in the West I can tell Somalis from Habeshas almost in an instant. But then again, as my post above states Djibouti Afars may be slightly different from Eritrean and Ethiopian Afars.

drobbah
03-14-2019, 11:28 PM
Just came across an updated Garre 23&Me match. He scores 78% Somali and 22% Ethiopian/Eritrean

Hurricane
03-29-2019, 06:05 PM
I got a new sudanese match

https://i.imgur.com/jRgggoJ.png

Hurricane
03-29-2019, 07:07 PM
Now i got 3 people from my community

#1
https://i.imgur.com/pNV4GCJ.png

#2
https://i.imgur.com/wpcvrMf.png

#3
https://i.imgur.com/kP72JGC.png

JFWinstone
05-08-2019, 06:54 PM
Mauritian

32% Southern Asia
22% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
18% Western and Central India
11% Southeast Asia - Vietnam
7% China
6% Philippines
2% Eastern Africa
1% African South Central Hunter Gatherers
1% Southeast Asia - Dai (Thai)

JFWinstone
05-10-2019, 09:56 PM
Malawi

82% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu People's
17% Eastern Africa
1% Africa South Central Hunter Gatherers

JFWinstone
05-16-2019, 09:38 PM
Mauritian

52% Southern Asia
28% Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples
12% Philippines
8% Eastern Africa

Deftextra
05-18-2019, 08:21 PM
MyHeritage Close Cousin:

East African
---- Somali 18.4%
---- Maasai 11.9%
West African
---- Nigerian 4.9%
North African
---- North African 3.8%
South Asia
---- South Asian 31.0% (One of the higest I have seen)
---- Central Asia 3.2%
Middle East
---- Middle East 20.9%
South Europe
---- Italian 5.9%

Deftextra
05-21-2019, 12:24 AM
More MyHeritage results

East African 39.7%
---- Somali 23.2%
---- Ethiopian Jewish 11.4%
---- Kenyan 5.1%
North African 11.6%
West African 4.9%

South Asian 31.7%
West Asian 0.8%
East Asia 3.1%
---- Filipino, Indonesian and Malay 3.1%

Middle Eastern 10.6%

Ashkenazi Jewish 1.5%


East African 39.7%
---- Somali 21.1%
---- Kenyan 7.4%
---- Maasai 8.5

West African 5.3%

South Asian 23.3%
West Asian 1.7%
East Asia 3.4%
---- Filipino, Indonesian and Malay 3.4%

Middle Eastern 26.1%

Ashkenazi Jewish 3.2%



East African 47.2%
---- Somali 7.9%
---- Ethiopian Jewish 14.1%
---- Kenyan 6.4%

Central African 1.3%

North African 13.7%

West African 3.8%

South Asian 26.0%
West Asian 11.1%
East Asia 0.9%
---- Chinese and Vietnamese 0.9%

Middle Eastern 9.5%

North and West European 5.3%%

JFWinstone
07-24-2019, 05:36 PM
Mum just had an intriguing new match come up, his surname is most prevelant in Saudi Arabia according to forbears :wave:

https://i.imgur.com/iSgdyAX.png

Hurricane
09-18-2019, 08:07 PM
Father's match from Eritrea.

https://i.imgur.com/g1zQTFt.png

JFWinstone
09-23-2019, 12:49 AM
Zimbabwe

Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples - 79%
Eastern Africa - 21%

Hurricane
10-07-2019, 02:34 PM
Another member of my community. Closest match to date.
https://i.imgur.com/SWSxrWF.png

She has the lowest East African % out of all of us.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
10-07-2019, 05:38 PM
Me
33748

Marv
10-12-2019, 02:37 AM
AncestryDNA

Cameroon/Congo/Southern Bantu 37% (range, 0-37%)
Benin/Togo 36%(range, 32-36%)
Ireland/Scotland 7% (range, 0-7%)
Ivory Coast/Ghana 6%(range, 0-21%)
Mali 5% (0-12%)
England, Wales, and Northwest Europe 3%(range, 0-3%)
Nigeria 3%(range, 0-17%)
Native American- North, Central South 1% (range, 0-1%)
Norway 1%(range, 0-4%)
Sweden 1%(range, 0-1%)


Myheritage

African 84%
-Nigerian 41.9%
-West African 17.9%
- Sierra Leonean 5.3%
-Kenyan 16.2%
Central African 2.7%

European 13.4%
Iberia 4.8%
Irish, Scottish, & Welsh 3.5%
Finnish 1%
Baltic States 2.3%
Ashkenazi Jewish 1.8%

Americas 2.6%
Central/South American-Andean 2.6%

FamilytreeDNA

African 84%
West Africa 77%
-East Central Africa 5%
-South Central Africa 2%

European 10%
-British Isles 8%
-West and Central Europe 2%

Trace Regions 6%
-Finland < 2%
-Oceania <1%
-North and Central America <1%
-East Europe <1%
-Asia Minor <2%

DNA.Land

African 80%
West African 71%
-Lower Niger Valley 51%
-Senegal River Valley 15%
-Mende/Akan 5.1%
East African 8.6%

West Eurasian 18%
Northeast European 7.9%
-Finnish 6.8%
-North Slavic 1.1%
Northwest European 5.3%
Indus Valley 1.9%
Southwest European 1.3%
Ambiguous 1.1%

Ambiguous 1.3%

Native American 1.2%


Wegene

African 83.78%
-Yoruba 72.03%
-BantuSA 7.38%
-Mbuti 2.77%
-Somali 1.59%
-Others 0.01%

European 13.83%
-Finnish/Russian 6.25%
-English 3.66%
-Spanish 3.18%
-Ashkenazi 0.73%

Central Asian 1.06%
-Kyrgyz 1.06%

Others 1.32%
-Oceanian 0.97%
-0.30% Mayan

Awaiting for 23andme in 3-4 weeks.

Angoliga
10-21-2019, 01:46 PM
Anyone else get their Ancestry 2019 updates?

https://i.imgur.com/bsBOx7g.png

I'd wager the Senegalese/Malian affinities are the embedded West-African in Nilotics.

Looking forward to see results of others for validation.

Angoliga
10-21-2019, 05:04 PM
Here's results of a close match, I have yet to confirm his background but judging by his last name and the similarity in results, he's likely a Nilo-Saharan speaker from the West-Nile region of Uganda:

https://i.imgur.com/g6YPnzP.png

I hope to confirm his background shortly.

- the alternating Senegal/Mali affinities <20% might be an attempt to find the afmd West-African ancestry in Nilotes.
It would hypothetically be derived from "West-Sudanic" Africans during the early green-sahara period, so these splits between Mali/Senegal could translate an attempt to discern something proto-Senegalese/Malian.

JFWinstone
10-21-2019, 08:25 PM
Yeah we got our update

Mum


https://i.imgur.com/xiOVmUN.png


Mine


https://i.imgur.com/fhuRTpA.png

Marv
10-23-2019, 10:39 PM
My 23andme composition
34097

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
11-11-2019, 12:51 PM
Ancestry DNA

55%
Cameroon, Congo & Southern Bantu Peoples

38%
Eastern Bantu Peoples

4%
Middle East


2%
Ethiopia & Eritrea


1%
Southern & Eastern Africa Hunter-Gatherers

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
11-11-2019, 06:23 PM
Dr Doug McDonald

Most likely fit is 4.1% (+- 0.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 95.9% (+- 0.5%) Africa (all Bantu)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Bedouin_So= 0.039 Bantu_Keny= 0.961 or
Egyptian= 0.045 Bantu_Keny= 0.955 or
Moroccan= 0.049 Bantu_Keny= 0.951 or
Mozabite= 0.049 Bantu_Keny= 0.951 or
Bedouin_No= 0.042 Bantu_Keny= 0.958 or
Palestinia= 0.040 Bantu_Keny= 0.960 or
Druze= 0.038 Bantu_Keny= 0.962 or
Armenian= 0.036 Bantu_Keny= 0.964 or
Sephardic= 0.037 Bantu_Keny= 0.963 or
Cypriot= 0.037 Bantu_Keny= 0.963

Hurricane
11-16-2019, 01:18 PM
2017
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/AncestryDNA/MyAncestryDNA.png

2018
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/AncestryDNA/DNA_Origins.png



2019
https://sd-1.archive-host.com/membres/up/1057594130/AncestryDNA/AncestryDNA2019.png

Horner
11-16-2019, 09:53 PM
Of the 11 African reference categories, Ethiopia & Eritrea (55) + Somalia (23) appear new.

https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/List-of-AncestryDNA-Regions#Africa

https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/AncestryDNA-Reference-Panel

JFWinstone
11-27-2019, 05:27 PM
Kenyan

Cameroon, Congo and Southern Bantu Peoples - 29%
Eastern Bantu Peoples - 60%
Somalia - 5%
Southern & Eastern Africa Hunter Gatherers - 4%
Ethiopia & Eritrea - 2%