View Full Version : Founders of Western civilisation were prehistoric dope dealers

07-09-2016, 12:51 AM

09-26-2018, 07:14 AM
I can't believe marijuana has been around for so long. Of course, findings such as this one are speculative, at best. But it's always interesting to find out "what may have happened." It also seems like there are marijuana historians. I never thought about such a specialization. Extremely interesting.

09-26-2018, 07:54 AM
The title of that article is a bit too sensational IMHO.

The cords for which the ancient "corded ware" (jōmon doki) of the Japanese archipelago has been named were apparently made most commonly from Cannabis fibers, or at least they seem to have been so during the earliest phase of that culture ("Incipient Jōmon"), which is more than twice the age of the Yamna culture of the Pontic–Caspian steppe.

The people of the Yamna culture may have popularized a certain social or ritual use of cannabis throughout their broad zone of influence in Eurasia, but they certainly are not responsible for the earliest intensive use of the plant by humans, and the plant appears to have been widely dispersed long before the rise of the Yamna culture.

10-20-2018, 09:10 PM
Rather shrooms were universal hallucinogens in prehistory.
And still are good:)

04-09-2021, 10:42 AM
Flax and hemp have been found in paleolithic settings too.

That doesn't necessarily imply that they 'smoked' any of them - eventhough even early hemp could have been pscyhoactive.
What's far more significant is that their seeds are rich in nourishment and oil - and they both have fibers that was prosessed into threads, ropes and clothes.

Thus they both belong to the oldest plants known for cultivation and systematic use.

A number of cereals - including flax, hemp, barley and oat - were grinded down to flour.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264388620_Grinding_flour_in_Upper_Palaeolithic_Eur ope_25_000_years_bp

Besides the food there were indeed plants used for medical - and thus psychoactive - purposes. Similar to our present 'pain-killers' - still widely used and abused throughout the world.

Thus we may produce a more sober 'head-line' stating that:
The first drug-makers were Foragers, Grinders, Bakers and Chefs.

04-11-2021, 06:14 AM
Hehehe, Mr. Jin Yong in his Chinese martial arts novels created an image:"西毒欧阳锋"(westerner dope dealer Ouyang Feng). He will agree with that when he was alive 3 years before. Why there is nothing with opium?

07-20-2021, 03:26 AM
Large-scale whole-genome resequencing unravels the domestication history of Cannabis sativa (https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/29/eabg2286)
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Science Advances 16 Jul 2021:
Vol. 7, no. 29, eabg2286
DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abg2286
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Cannabis sativa has long been an important source of fiber extracted from hemp and both medicinal and recreational drugs based on cannabinoid compounds. Here, we investigated its poorly known domestication history using whole-genome resequencing of 110 accessions from worldwide origins. We show that C. sativa was first domesticated in early Neolithic times in East Asia and that all current hemp and drug cultivars diverged from an ancestral gene pool currently represented by feral plants and landraces in China. We identified candidate genes associated with traits differentiating hemp and drug cultivars, including branching pattern and cellulose/lignin biosynthesis. We also found evidence for loss of function of genes involved in the synthesis of the two major biochemically competing cannabinoids during selection for increased fiber production or psychoactive properties. Our results provide a unique global view of the domestication of C. sativa and offer valuable genomic resources for ongoing functional and molecular breeding research.

08-29-2021, 07:36 AM
This tradition was passed down to late IE tribes as well. There was an interesting historical account regarding Cannabis usage by the Thracians - they put the plant in the fire and inhale the vapors which helped them go into 'ecstatic Bacchic frenzy' - the good old Dyonisian orgies. Similar practices were known among their Eastern neighbors the Scythians and then there was the Scythian tribe Saca Haoma Varga - meaning 'the Haoma/Soma drinking Scythians'. The ritual usage of Haoma/Soma among Indo-Iranians and Indo-Aryans is well known for invoking the gods of old but we do not know the recipe.

10-17-2021, 07:20 PM
Although the ancients definitely used cannabis, I think a better candidate for haoma/soma may be Peganum harmala, aka Syrian rue. Iranians burn this "burning bush" even today, to ward off evil. They've got a (new, modern) name for it. The Vedas mention the soma plant as a plant with a reddish stalk. The effects of harmala alkaloids, present in Syrian rue, have been studied, and there is definitely some association with religious experiences. That said, Syrian rue may well have been adopted at some point as a surrogate for cannabis.