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Amerijoe
07-09-2016, 12:51 AM
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2096440-founders-of-western-civilisation-were-prehistoric-dope-dealers?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=SOC&utm_campaign=hoot&cmpid=SOC%7CNSNS%7C2016-GLOBAL-hoot:thumb:

mainer
09-26-2018, 07:14 AM
I can't believe marijuana has been around for so long. Of course, findings such as this one are speculative, at best. But it's always interesting to find out "what may have happened." It also seems like there are marijuana historians. I never thought about such a specialization. Extremely interesting.

Ebizur
09-26-2018, 07:54 AM
The title of that article is a bit too sensational IMHO.

The cords for which the ancient "corded ware" (jōmon doki) of the Japanese archipelago has been named were apparently made most commonly from Cannabis fibers, or at least they seem to have been so during the earliest phase of that culture ("Incipient Jōmon"), which is more than twice the age of the Yamna culture of the Pontic–Caspian steppe.

The people of the Yamna culture may have popularized a certain social or ritual use of cannabis throughout their broad zone of influence in Eurasia, but they certainly are not responsible for the earliest intensive use of the plant by humans, and the plant appears to have been widely dispersed long before the rise of the Yamna culture.

lukaszM
10-20-2018, 09:10 PM
Rather shrooms were universal hallucinogens in prehistory.
And still are good:)

Boreas
04-09-2021, 10:42 AM
Flax and hemp have been found in paleolithic settings too.

That doesn't necessarily imply that they 'smoked' any of them - eventhough even early hemp could have been pscyhoactive.
What's far more significant is that their seeds are rich in nourishment and oil - and they both have fibers that was prosessed into threads, ropes and clothes.

Thus they both belong to the oldest plants known for cultivation and systematic use.
https://anthropology.net/2009/09/11/flax-fibres-dated-to-34000-years-bp-found-at-dzudzuana-cave-georgia/

A number of cereals - including flax, hemp, barley and oat - were grinded down to flour.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264388620_Grinding_flour_in_Upper_Palaeolithic_Eur ope_25_000_years_bp
https://phys.org/news/2015-09-ancient-pestle-paleolithic-people-ground.html

Besides the food there were indeed plants used for medical - and thus psychoactive - purposes. Similar to our present 'pain-killers' - still widely used and abused throughout the world.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43450-020-00107-4

Thus we may produce a more sober 'head-line' stating that:
The first drug-makers were Foragers, Grinders, Bakers and Chefs.

aganmu
04-11-2021, 06:14 AM
Hehehe, Mr. Jin Yong in his Chinese martial arts novels created an image:"西毒欧阳锋"(westerner dope dealer Ouyang Feng). He will agree with that when he was alive 3 years before. Why there is nothing with opium?