Balkan T-M70 information

[vettor]

There was only 8 x T-M70 found in the Croatian paper

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajhb.22876/abstract


4 from Losinj https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%C5%A1inj

and 4 from the Dalmatian coast

[zarkusa]

Lošinj was not sampled in this study :)

Croatian T-M70 :
4 samples from Dubrovnik (out of 179)
3 samples from Mljet (out of 39)
1 sample from Zadar hinterland (out of 25)

[vettor]

Lošinj was not sampled in this study :)

Croatian T-M70 :
4 samples from Dubrovnik (out of 179)
3 samples from Mljet (out of 39)
1 sample from Zadar hinterland (out of 25)

thanks
I was told MLJ represented Mali-Losinj

Mljet makes more sense as its near dubrovnik and home to the ancient
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narentines

and later in time came under
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ragusa

[dlevick]

Lošinj was not sampled in this study :)

Croatian T-M70 :
4 samples from Dubrovnik (out of 179)
3 samples from Mljet (out of 39)
1 sample from Zadar hinterland (out of 25)

I have recently discovered my great grandfather came from the Island of Lošinj (Lussin, Austria at the time of his birth), having been born there about 1857, arriving in Australia in 1877. The name he has used in Australia was Dominic Carles, which doesn't have any Croatian 'ring' to it at all! His paternal grandson's DNA path is T-M184 — T-L490 — T-M70.

[vettor]

I have recently discovered my great grandfather came from the Island of Lošinj (Lussin, Austria at the time of his birth), having been born there about 1857, arriving in Australia in 1877. The name he has used in Australia was Dominic Carles, which doesn't have any Croatian 'ring' to it at all! His paternal grandson's DNA path is T-M184 — T-L490 — T-M70.

I am chasing another T-M70 from Lussin Croatia....surname Steiner ( Giovanni and I seen records for his father Alvise ( Alvise is venetian form for Luigi ))...........originally from a town called Barbian in South Tyrol Italy ( high in the alps ) ............was in Barbian in the 1730

Is this any link to you ?

[vettor]

I have recently discovered my great grandfather came from the Island of Lošinj (Lussin, Austria at the time of his birth), having been born there about 1857, arriving in Australia in 1877. The name he has used in Australia was Dominic Carles, which doesn't have any Croatian 'ring' to it at all! His paternal grandson's DNA path is T-M184 — T-L490 — T-M70.

Dominic Carles ...............would have been Domenico Carlesso if you think he was north italian .................there are 466 housholds in italy with surname Carlesso of which only 27 are not in north italy

[dlevick]

I am chasing another T-M70 from Lussin Croatia....surname Steiner ( Giovanni and I seen records for his father Alvise ( Alvise is venetian form for Luigi ))...........originally from a town called Barbian in South Tyrol Italy ( high in the alps ) ............was in Barbian in the 1730

Is this any link to you ?

Thank you for your response. At this stage I have no idea if there is any link, just yet. I am seeking the Crew Agreement from one of the ships on which my Dominic Carles served, which will hopefully give a more precise surname/family name.

[dlevick]

Dominic Carles ...............would have been Domenico Carlesso if you think he was north italian .................there are 466 housholds in italy with surname Carlesso of which only 27 are not in north italy

Many thanks for this information. I will see if searches yield anything.

[vettor]

Many thanks for this information. I will see if searches yield anything.

what dates do you have for domenic carles and i will look it up ( if dates are appropriate )

I will check venetian archives fro lussin island circa 1790

[vettor]

I had a quick look to see if the name was associated with trieste ....it is not..............trieste was never ever venetian or under venice in its history ( even though they spoke venetian ) and only italian in recent times, before this it was mainly austrian

http://triestestoria.altervista.org/famiglie/c.html

[dlevick]

what dates do you have for domenic carles and i will look it up ( if dates are appropriate )

I will check venetian archives fro lussin island circa 1790

Hi, my friend. Many thanks for your kind offer. My Dominic was born in Lussin, Austria (Losinj) in about 1857. I cannot be any more specific, sorry.

David

[vettor]

Hi, my friend. Many thanks for your kind offer. My Dominic was born in Lussin, Austria (Losinj) in about 1857. I cannot be any more specific, sorry.

David

Then he was under austrian control ............I cannot remember when that changed

[Bruzmi]

Six Albanians who are part of the T1a-M70 lineage are on the public database (https://rrenjet.com/databaza-publike/) of Project Rrënjët as of February 2021.



Lushnje
T-CTS11451 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS11451/)


Gramsh
T-Y8614 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y8614/)


Gjakovë
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Dibër
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Vlorë
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Berat
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)

[vettor]

Six Albanians who are part of the T1a-M70 lineage are on the public database (https://rrenjet.com/databaza-publike/) of Project Rrënjët as of February 2021.



Lushnje
T-CTS11451 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS11451/)


Gramsh
T-Y8614 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y8614/)


Gjakovë
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Dibër
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Vlorë
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Berat
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)



Lorik Cana is also T-CTS933 .............stated on an Albanian site

[vettor]

Six Albanians who are part of the T1a-M70 lineage are on the public database (https://rrenjet.com/databaza-publike/) of Project Rrënjët as of February 2021.



Lushnje
T-CTS11451 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS11451/)


Gramsh
T-Y8614 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y8614/)


Gjakovë
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Dibër
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Vlorë
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)


Berat
T-CTS933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)



The first one is from branch T1a1 and on yfull is linked with viking VK17 ......................VK17 admixture is Swedish and Finnish 50-50 split

Other T1a1 are neolithic times as per the 2x Bulgarians from Malek ....also, the Golden man from bulgaria near the black sea and a few others .............these 2 T-bulgarians share the exact same snp's as the 3 x Karsdorf Germany neolitihic samples


CTS933 belongs to the T1a2 branch .............an ancient sample would be CL23 and another viking VK398

[Kaspias]

Three Balkan Turks, one is from Xanthi, and two is from Kardzhali are under T-M70. No specific clade predicted.

[BMK]

Serb from Rekovac area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rekovac) in central Serbia, which was confirmed in YSeq as CTS933+ entered a branch Y206597 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y206597/) with Albanian after received Nebula results.