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Passa
07-15-2016, 11:23 PM
My distribution map of Y-DNA R-Z56 in Italy. Hope it's useful for those interested into this sub-clade.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10472&stc=1

MitchellSince1893
07-16-2016, 12:37 AM
Quite different from the Z36 distribution. Does anybody have any thoughts for this difference from a historic/archaelogical stand point?

My initial impression is that Z56 arrived before Z36...and that Z56 may be more "Italo" while Z36 is more "Celtic"...but I may be totally off base...just my initial thoughts

Passa
07-16-2016, 01:01 AM
Quite different from the Z36 distribution. Does anybody have any thoughts for this difference from a historic/archaelogical stand point?

My initial impression is that Z56 arrived before Z36...and that Z56 may be more "Italo" while Z36 is more "Celtic"...but I may be totally off base...just my initial thoughts

IMO Z56 is associated with the Proto-Italic invasion which occurred 3200 years ago. Z36 instead came much later, with the Gaulish invasion of Northern Italy 2400 years ago.

vettor
07-16-2016, 03:45 AM
My distribution map of Y-DNA R-Z56 in Italy. Hope it's useful for those interested into this sub-clade.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10472&stc=1

This looks pure Etruscan marker from 800BC .................but of course it is older.

Sikeliot
07-16-2016, 03:51 PM
Interesting is that southern Calabria and central Sicily has little Italic R1b there, despite these being lands inhabited by the Siculi, an Italic tribe. I suppose they were mostly Italicized and not mostly Italic by blood.

Morges
07-16-2016, 03:59 PM
Great map, it looks like our indigenous subclade and more specifically peaks in the Etruscan area mostly.

Morges
07-16-2016, 04:46 PM
Interesting is that southern Calabria and central Sicily has little Italic R1b there, despite these being lands inhabited by the Siculi, an Italic tribe. I suppose they were mostly Italicized and not mostly Italic by blood.

You mean North East Sicily (Messina and the Catania coast) more likely, while inner Sicily is on pair with the rest of South Italy and Central-Western and Southern Sicily has the higher percentage of this subclade in the South Italy together with Crotone/Catanzaro in Calabria.

Sikeliot
07-16-2016, 05:13 PM
You mean North East Sicily (Messina and the Catania coast) more likely, while inner Sicily is on pair with the rest of South Italy and Central-Western and Southern Sicily has the higher percentage of this subclade in the South Italy together with Crotone/Catanzaro in Calabria.


I meant Messina/Catania and southern Calabria.

Tomenable
07-16-2016, 11:03 PM
Some Z56 can also be found in Sardinia (ITA [IT-CA] = samples from Cagliari):

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z56/

Romilius
07-26-2016, 10:21 AM
This looks pure Etruscan marker from 800BC .................but of course it is older.

I think the same thing... also, we can think about an Etruscan élite imposing itself on IE Italics.

Agamemnon
07-26-2016, 12:36 PM
Looks very Italic, more or less what I expected, odds are this marker is tied to the earliest Italic-speaking communities.

Morges
07-26-2016, 01:20 PM
This confirm that Elimi were Italic like Lejeune and Laura Biondi have said in linguistic studies and Luigi Bernabó Brea and Rosa Albanese Procelli have said in archeological findings, otherwise should be little in the west and stronger in the east.

Il Papŕ
07-31-2016, 08:25 PM
Isn't there a specific subclade of Z56 associated to Italic speaker ? I like the idea of Z56 being proto-italic. But I am the only one along a sardinian to not be "22087296" (know also as BY3548) positive. And the Z56 present on the map you did, passa, are most likely to be also 100% BY3548 .

What also strike me is the absence of Z56 in north west and north east of Italy.