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Wing Genealogist
07-17-2016, 05:36 PM
FTDNA and the GSMD (General Society of Mayflower Descendants) have a project at: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mayflowersociety/about

The Mayflower wiki is not associated with this project, but are working on collaborating together for common goals.

Baltimore1937
07-17-2016, 08:16 PM
My rare U5b2b2/G228A is found there in and around the Plymouth Colony and early Massachusetts. But I haven't been able to establish a paper trail connecting my known maternal earliest known female with there and then. Here's another colonial site:

http://www.jamestowne.org

curiousII
07-21-2016, 03:05 AM
I have my application for Mayflower Society membership up in the Oakland office at the moment. It's based on the research a maternal aunt of mine did that proved descent from Gov. Bradford. I have her GSMD member number and supplied it to the office handling my application; I'd never have found this on my own.

I didn't know that there's a Mayflower Descendant Project at FTDNA, that's news. I'd like to get in that once my membership is approved.

Wing Genealogist
07-21-2016, 10:22 AM
My understanding (and I could well be wrong) is that the Mayflower Project at FTDNA is limited to those folks who are either direct Y-DNA descendants of a Mayflower passenger, or a direct mtDNA descendant.

curiousII
07-21-2016, 01:33 PM
My understanding (and I could well be wrong) is that the Mayflower Project at FTDNA is limited to those folks who are either direct Y-DNA descendants of a Mayflower passenger, or a direct mtDNA descendant.Right, according to: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mayflowersociety/about

My Bradford off-shoots were named Mensing by the time the 20th Century came around. I don't have a copy of it here with me, but my Aunt Ruth Hall was GSMD #49558. I remember she was getting my daughter into it, too, before she passed away but when I contacted the lady working with the Oakland office recently she said she didn't have any records of my daughter's membership.

But here's the mtDNA Mayflower Descendants' Project: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety/default.aspx?section=mtresults

You can find various websites that list the Mayflower passenger list, and I don't think the MDKA names on the Project's site match up in all cases. Tilly and Alden are two obvious ones that do, but it gets vaguer going down the list.

Now, this is something I remember from the lady working the NSCAR children's membership a couple of decades ago: She said they went by the female descendants' (DAR) records more than the males (SAR) as the menfolk had more of a tendency to embellish, needlessly elaborate upon, or otherwise twist and skew family stories and history around than their mates. Think that's true? An efficiently-run DNA project would effectively put that kind of practice out to pasture.

Edit: I should probably worry about a question like this causing the entire thread to be relocated to The Atrium, but here goes: Divine Grace, the belief of the Pilgrims that only a certain select few (like Gov. Bradford) were destined for Heaven. Obviously a controversial belief and certainly one bound to get its adherents in trouble with every king and minister who was not blessed with such a Grace. That would probably cause that belief's followers to be chased out of every town they landed in.

You don't read much about it anymore and I'll wait until a) my GSMD membership gets approved and b) I get my 500 posts in so I can follow this thread into The Atrium. Interesting question though, isn't it? I've read that those with a Divine Grace passport to Heaven used to instruct those commoners who had no reservations in the Afterlife that they should conduct themselves civilly while bound to the physical world because it was a nice thing to do. That's nice.

curiousII
09-08-2016, 08:13 AM
I got an email from the lady handling my Society membership application a while back. She said she had my application and I'd be hearing from her soon. Actually, my entire membership process has taken a pretty long time. She has my aunt's membership information and I've sent her all the required documents that their Society asks for. Excepting my parent's marriage certificate, though. They were married in LA in 1950, I know that, but that county's so big I haven't figured out how to find out which recorder's office has that record.

Should be easy to do, but I still haven't gotten it. And, if that's a real stop sign to my application she should have told me about it by now. So I'll wait a while longer, I guess.

I'm related to Bradford. Is proving kinship to him any more difficult than to any of the other Mayflower passengers? Anybody here involved in "Saints and Strangers" at all? This: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/saints-and-strangers/

Wing Genealogist
09-08-2016, 11:24 AM
CuriousII: The application process normally takes several months (or even longer). You basically need to document EVERY birth, marriage, divorce & death record for them to accept your membership. They should be able to help you find where your parent's marriage record can be found, but I believe they will require it before they will accept your membership.

I had joined the Mayflower Society (in Maine) in 2011, and had supplied all of the needed documents at that time. I am now working on having my daughter join, and have supplied a copy of her birth certificate to them. Even this seemingly simple process is taking quite a bit of time, and they are asking me to supply more documents to some of her/my ancestry. They had previously accepted some secondary sources for some of the generations, but are now wanting more primary records (birth, marriage & death records) to support my daughter's line. I have found some of these records and have provided copies of them to the Society. I do believe her line will be accepted, but it goes to show the process is long and thorough. Patience is the key.

The Society has published a "Silver" Book (first 5 generations) for William Bradford, so they already have full documentation for these generations. The "lady" (historian) will let you know specifically what events you will need more/better documentation for, and they should suggest where you may be able to find this information.

Good luck with your quest.

curiousII
09-27-2016, 12:53 PM
The hold-up on my parents' marriage certificate was I didn't have the exact date they were married. LA County uses VitalChek which requires that date. But then I found an old newspaper clipping that had not only the date, but the address the ceremony was held at.

So I wrote off for it, which is what I should have done all along. And now that's it, all my required forms and certificates have either already been submitted or requested. Plus I emailed Mrs. Savage to let her know what I've done.

See my Family Finder map in the other thread? Isn't that just about the prettiest map you've ever seen? I think it is.

Dewsloth
09-27-2016, 04:46 PM
Just got my preliminary report: The first 5-6 generations are good, but apparently they have no record in their files of my line since Hannah Deuel was born 1753. This could take a while.

Wing Genealogist
09-27-2016, 08:44 PM
Just got my preliminary report: The first 5-6 generations are good, but apparently they have no record in their files of my line since Hannah Deuel was born 1753. This could take a while.

Hopefully it won't be too bad. Jonathan Griffith (Hannah's husband) is a Wing descendant, and I have traced the family in my role as Genealogist for the Wing Family of America, Inc. If you send me your line, I can give you a list of sources I have used to trace the line. I cannot guarantee the sources will be ones the Mayflower Society would accept, but at least it would be a start for you.


Ray (email: wing_genealogist AT yahoo DOT com)

Dewsloth
09-27-2016, 09:26 PM
Hopefully it won't be too bad. Jonathan Griffith (Hannah's husband) is a Wing descendant, and I have traced the family in my role as Genealogist for the Wing Family of America, Inc. If you send me your line, I can give you a list of sources I have used to trace the line. I cannot guarantee the sources will be ones the Mayflower Society would accept, but at least it would be a start for you.


Ray (email: wing_genealogist AT yahoo DOT com)

I really appreciate that and will do it as soon as I get a chance. Many of the intervening generations are buried on the same island near Burlington in Vermont!

curiousII
03-10-2017, 11:56 PM
Got my membership application worksheet at last! The accompanying letter told me to verify everything, sign it, and send it in. Going on my aunt's past membership and I'm certain what she recorded is correct or I wouldn't even have gotten this far.

I do recognize some family names that had contact with my family decades ago, but those are fairly common names. But there's Bradford and Alice Richards, then a Fitch and Adams. A Metcalf takes the record to around 1712, and on down the line.

Interesting how all that works.

curiousII
09-06-2017, 05:06 AM
Got a copy of the completed application in the mail today, Mrs. Savage says I'll get the rest with my membership number directly.

Dewsloth
09-06-2017, 05:24 AM
Cool. I'm waiting to hear back from the state GSMD on my preliminary form at the moment.

Sassoneg
09-06-2017, 04:38 PM
Cool. I'm waiting to hear back from the state GSMD on my preliminary form at the moment.

I see Francis Cooke and Richard/Elizabeth Warren on your list. Is it by their kids John Cooke and Sarah Warren? If so, how about their daughter Sarah Warren Cooke who married Arthur Hathaway?

Is John Wing affiliated with them in some way?

I'll have to send in an app. I also have a double relation to Gov. Bradford on the other side of my tree. Apparently 3 gens later, two Bradfords married.

Dewsloth
09-06-2017, 04:53 PM
I see Francis Cooke and Richard/Elizabeth Warren on your list. Is it by their kids John Cooke and Sarah Warren? If so, how about their daughter Sarah Warren Cooke who married Arthur Hathaway?

Is John Wing affiliated with them in some way?

I'll have to send in an app. I also have a double relation to Gov. Bradford on the other side of my tree. Apparently 3 gens later, two Bradfords married.

Our submitted line (all daughters until Dad):
Elizabeth Walker - Sarah Warren - Mary Cooke - Lydia Taber - Lydia Mosher - Hannah Deuel - Lydia Griffith - Phebe Dixon - Minerva Phoebe Harrington (my 2nd great grandmother)

Wing Genealogist mentioned that our Wing links are on the Griffith line (Lydia's father):


Hopefully it won't be too bad. Jonathan Griffith (Hannah's husband) is a Wing descendant,

but the communities were so small you may have other Wings somewhere else in your tree.

Sassoneg
09-06-2017, 05:30 PM
Our submitted line (all daughters until Dad):
Elizabeth Walker - Sarah Warren - Mary Cooke - Lydia Taber - Lydia Mosher - Hannah Deuel - Lydia Griffith - Phebe Dixon - Minerva Phoebe Harrington (my 2nd great grandmother)

Wing Genealogist mentioned that our Wing links are on the Griffith line (Lydia's father):


but the communities were so small you may have other Wings somewhere else in your tree.

Very cool. We have the same Elizabeth Walker -> Sarah Warren -> Mary Cooke part but then I'm descended from their son John Hathaway.

Also I have another line in that branch that is Elizabeth Walker -> Elizabeth Warren who married Richard Church.

My Plymouth Branch is the Jenne branch, named for John Jenne the Lt. Gov who built a grist mill that's still standing. He wasn't a Mayflower passenger though, but came about 1635.

Sassoneg
09-06-2017, 08:01 PM
So far I have this:

John Alden
William Bradford x2
Francis Cooke
John Cooke
Edward Doty
John Howland
Priscilla Mullins
William Mullins
Elizabeth Tilley
Richard Warren x2

I think I will definitely pull everything together for an app some day when I have a lot of time.

Wing Genealogist
09-06-2017, 09:22 PM
The General Society of Mayflower Descendants (GSMD) is having their Triennial Congress early next week. I will be there for the first time. Looking forward to the activities.

Wing Genealogist
09-06-2017, 09:30 PM
One of the items the GSMD will be announcing at their Congress is their new partnership with FTDNA. FTDNA is developing Mayflower "Badges" (similar to the WAMH Badge) for folks whose DNA document their descent from a Mayflower passenger.

I have contacted FTDNA about this new partnership and below I have abstracted some comments from them.


As of right now, we have identified all but three Y STR profiles of the male pilgrims with extant direct male descendants. To get this badge, a test taker must match this profile within a GD of two or three (The powers that be have not determined what the cut off should be yet). They must also have a Mayflower surname or variant (eg. Cook or Cooke).

We wish to incorporate mtDNA as well, though without the surname requirement. We are basing the profiles on the Mayflower Project subgroups and are still awaiting confirmation that the mtDNA RCRS mutations we suspect are accurate. As of right now, this badge will only be available to test takers with a Y 67 or mtDNA Full Sequence test and match the above criteria. In time we hope to use triangulation within family groups to identify autosomal SNPs from the Pilgrims, though this will take a substantial amount of testing and analysis.

Dewsloth
09-06-2017, 09:50 PM
One of the items the GSMD will be announcing at their Congress is their new partnership with FTDNA. FTDNA is developing Mayflower "Badges" (similar to the WAMH Badge) for folks whose DNA document their descent from a Mayflower passenger.

I have contacted FTDNA about this new partnership and below I have abstracted some comments from them.

I hope they can convince Richard Warren's descendant to get more testing, or they're going to have to hand out a lot of badges to all the M269s :lol:

curiousII
09-25-2017, 11:04 AM
Cool. I'm waiting to hear back from the state GSMD on my preliminary form at the moment.

Got accepted, got both my national and California state membership numbers. Had to get those via emails and by phone as apparently the Post Office wouldn't deliver my hard copies to me. Odd one there, but the paperwork and waiting are over.

Good luck on yours!

Wing Genealogist
09-25-2017, 11:34 AM
I hope they can convince Richard Warren's descendant to get more testing, or they're going to have to hand out a lot of badges to all the M269s :lol:

For right now, FTDNA will require a 67 STR marker match to give out the Mayflower Badges. Last I heard, they haven't decided how close the STR match must be, but they were looking between a GD of 2-4 at 67. This should weed out many (but not all) non-matches.

I have been badgering them a bit about SNP matching for the Y-DNA and hopefully that is the way they would go sometime in the future, but they/we need to get the Mayflower community to better understand SNP testing (especially NGS/WGS testing) and its capabilities/limitations.

Dewsloth
05-08-2018, 04:51 PM
Whoah. I just noticed they changed Richard Warren from M269 to E-M35! Some new testing must have come through. Time to change my sig line :)