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ashstar
07-24-2016, 05:06 AM
Hi All,

Newbie here, hope its okay to post this here, please let me know if I am posting in the wrong area :)

I am a long time lurker, first time poster and would appreciate some other eyes to look over my gedmatch, ancestry dna and ftdna results.

I am of South English background on my paternal side, areas such as Oxfordshire, Wiltshire. On my maternal side I am a mix of Cornish, Irish, South English, one scottish line that I know of and I also have one GG grandparent who was a native Australian.

My questions are;

1. Do you think my results reflect some continental admixture? My ancestry dna Europe west result surprised me at 36%, I have recently found out that South England was rather a hot spot for various migrants such as the anglo-saxons, Belgian, Huguenots etc. that were integrated into the native population.

2. Does anyone know why I have a higher west med, west asian and north east african on eurogenes k15 than the average English / Irish person? The reason I ask is that I have one of those dreaded family rumours that I cant find any evidence of as yet, the rumour was a spanish ancestor..I have a middle east component which comes up on every test which has me intrigued.

Thank you in advance!!

K15v2 Eurogenes
Population
North_Sea 38.37
Atlantic 22.93
Baltic 7.89
Eastern_Euro 7.99
West_Med 11.57
West_Asian 5.02
East_Med 0.34
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.16
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.75
Oceanian 1.82
Northeast_African 1.15
Sub-Saharan -

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 7.07
2 Orcadian 7.28
3 West_German 7.35
4 North_Dutch 7.77
5 Southeast_English 8.03
6 Norwegian 8.23
7 West_Norwegian 8.56
8 Danish 8.65
9 West_Scottish 8.94
10 Irish 9.14
11 South_Dutch 9.7
12 Swedish 9.87
13 North_German 9.95
14 French 11.93
15 North_Swedish 12.66
16 East_German 14.77
17 Southwest_Finnish 18.48
18 Hungarian 18.62
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.82
20 Austrian 19.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.5% Orcadian + 49.5% West_German @ 5.35
2 87.7% West_Norwegian + 12.3% Sardinian @ 5.56
3 73.5% West_Norwegian + 26.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.6
4 75.1% West_Norwegian + 24.9% Portuguese @ 5.65
5 62.1% West_Norwegian + 37.9% French @ 5.69
6 77.2% West_Norwegian + 22.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.85
7 58.5% West_German + 41.5% West_Norwegian @ 5.87
8 77.5% West_Norwegian + 22.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.87
9 75.5% West_Norwegian + 24.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6
10 80.4% West_Norwegian + 19.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.03
11 79.3% West_Norwegian + 20.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.03
12 77.9% West_Norwegian + 22.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 6.04
13 76.9% West_Norwegian + 23.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.04
14 92% Orcadian + 8% Sardinian @ 6.08
15 80% West_Norwegian + 20% North_Italian @ 6.1
16 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.11
17 63.2% Southwest_English + 36.8% West_Norwegian @ 6.17
18 53.8% Southwest_English + 46.2% West_German @ 6.18
19 65.3% Norwegian + 34.7% French @ 6.19
20 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.19

Eurogenes k13 results;

Population
North_Atlantic 47.03
Baltic 20.80
West_Med 14.62
West_Asian 6.46
East_Med 4.44
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.15
East_Asian 0.31
Siberian -
Amerindian 2.06
Oceanian 2.05
Northeast_African 1.08
Sub-Saharan -

Oracle 4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 5.313943
2 South_Dutch @ 5.407587
3 Southwest_English @ 6.267038
4 West_German @ 6.330202
5 Orcadian @ 6.929318
6 Irish @ 7.558543
7 West_Scottish @ 8.024061
8 North_Dutch @ 8.048180
9 Danish @ 8.309872
10 North_German @ 8.327096
11 French @ 10.322261
12 Norwegian @ 10.742976
13 Swedish @ 12.406837
14 Austrian @ 14.305424
15 East_German @ 15.369741
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.125036
17 North_Swedish @ 18.302700
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.423044
19 Hungarian @ 19.487736
20 Southwest_French @ 19.605555

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% West_German @ 3.238893


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Portuguese @ 3.181416


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 3.131754
2 Irish + Irish + North_German + Portuguese @ 3.181416
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.189100
4 French + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.217463
5 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.238893
6 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.242414
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.244507
8 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.268779
9 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.271263
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.272914
11 Irish + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.276624
12 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Swedish @ 3.278851
13 Irish + North_German + Portuguese + West_Scottish @ 3.289512
14 French + Irish + Orcadian + West_German @ 3.290398
15 Danish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.301925
16 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Italian @ 3.303323
17 French + Irish + Southwest_English + West_German @ 3.324470
18 Southwest_English + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.329245
19 French + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.338608
20 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 3.339936


MDLP K13 'Ultimate' Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 42.40
2 WHG-UHG 24.30
3 ANE 18.93
4 Caucas-Gedrosia 9.60
5 Oceanian 2.02
6 Amerindian 1.50


Finished reading population data. 662 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belgian @ 3.663347
2 Germany_South @ 3.910056
3 Welsh @ 4.080772
4 South-German @ 4.309915
5 North_European @ 4.765834
6 Austria @ 4.869631
7 Slovenian @ 5.112634
8 Austrian @ 5.477424
9 Slovenian2 @ 5.668087
10 Hungary @ 5.730034
11 European_Utah @ 5.933756
12 Hungarian @ 6.068069
13 Croat_BH @ 6.097761
14 Czech2 @ 6.192263
15 France @ 6.226702
16 English_GBR @ 6.246822
17 Germany_North @ 6.504819
18 Slovak @ 6.802531
19 Croatian @ 6.803592
20 German @ 6.843669

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% Germany_South @ 3.383832


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_GBR +25% Inkeri +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 3.061267


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Basque_Spanish + Georgian + Inkeri + Orcadian @ 2.748753
2 Basque_Spanish + Georgian + Inkeri + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.769555
3 English_GBR + French_South + Georgian + Swedish @ 2.772177
4 French_South + Georgian + North_European + Swedish @ 2.792718
5 Basque_Spanish + Georgian + North_European + Swedish @ 2.793724
6 Basque_Spanish + Georgian + Inkeri + Norwegian @ 2.806082
7 Basque_French + Georgian + North_European + Swedish @ 2.814463
8 Basque_French + English_Kent_GBR + Georgian + Russian_Kursk @ 2.820158
9 Basque_Spanish + English_Kent_GBR + Georgian + Inkeri @ 2.820949
10 English_Kent_GBR + French_South + Georgian + Russian_Kursk @ 2.822905
11 Basque_Spanish + English_Cornwall_GBR + Georgian + Russian_Kursk @ 2.824303
12 Basque_Spanish + Georgian + Swedish + Welsh @ 2.829919
13 Basque_French + English_GBR + Georgian + Swedish @ 2.842376
14 French_South + Georgian + Swedish + Welsh @ 2.842667
15 English_Kent_GBR + French_South + Georgian + Inkeri @ 2.856363
16 Basque_Spanish + Georgian + Icelandic + Inkeri @ 2.858433
17 Basque_Spanish + English_GBR + Georgian + Swedish @ 2.859199
18 Basque_Spanish + English_GBR + Georgian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.862902
19 Basque_Spanish + Georgian + Russian_Kursk + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.863107
20 Basque_French + Georgian + Swedish + Welsh @ 2.863504

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.5% Welsh + 4.5% Australian-Aborigin @ 2.82
2 97.1% Welsh + 2.9% Melanesians_Naasioi @ 2.86
3 97.2% Welsh + 2.8% Bougainville @ 2.87
4 97.5% Welsh + 2.5% Kosipe @ 2.88
5 97.5% Welsh + 2.5% Koinanbe @ 2.9
6 96.4% Belgian + 3.6% Australian-Aborigin @ 2.91
7 97.6% Welsh + 2.4% Papuan @ 2.91
8 96.2% Belgian + 3.8% Australian_ECCAC @ 2.91
9 97.7% Belgian + 2.3% Melanesians_Naasioi @ 2.92
10 95.4% Welsh + 4.6% Australian_ECCAC @ 2.92
11 97.7% Belgian + 2.3% Bougainville @ 2.93
12 97.9% Belgian + 2.1% Kosipe @ 2.93
13 98% Belgian + 2% Koinanbe @ 2.94
14 98.1% Belgian + 1.9% Papuan @ 2.94
15 96.8% Welsh + 3.2% Alorese @ 3.03
16 96.2% Belgian + 3.8% Serrano @ 3.03
17 93.6% Belgian + 6.4% Colombian @ 3.03
18 97.4% Belgian + 2.6% Alorese @ 3.04
19 96.1% Belgian + 3.9% Mexican @ 3.04
20 95.1% Belgian + 4.9% Miwok @ 3.04


Ancestry DNA results;

Europe 97%
Ireland 40%
Europe West 36%
Great Britain 9%
Scandinavia 8%
Trace Regions 4%
Finland/Northwest Russia 2%
Iberian Peninsula < 1%
Italy/Greece < 1%
Pacific Islander 2%
Trace Regions 2%
Melanesia < 1%
Polynesia < 1%
West Asia < 1%
Trace Regions < 1%
Middle East < 1%

FTDNA;

British Isles 79%
Scandinavia 11%
Southern Europe 8%
Eastern middle East 2%

DNA Land

Northwest European 95%
West Eurasian ambiguous ( containing Arab/Egyptian, Ashkenazi/Levantine, Central Asian, Northeast European, South Asian, South European, Northwest European, Southwestern European and Central Indoeuropean) 1.3 %
Southwestern European ambiguous 1.1%
Native oceanian 2.3%

Svabinsky
07-24-2016, 07:01 AM
Does anyone know why I have a higher west med, west asian and north east african on eurogenes k15 than the average English / Irish person? The reason I ask is that I have one of those dreaded family rumours that I cant find any evidence of as yet, the rumour was a spanish ancestor..I have a middle east component which comes up on every test which has me intrigued.



The Spanish ancestor would make sense. Your Western Med/Near East component is pretty significant to be just noise or minor "interloper". It gives the impression that you have significant Iberian ancestry, albeit a bit deeper than 23andMe tests (which is why 23andMe did not pick it up). The West Asia/Middle East would also make sense, since Iberia was occupied by the Moors, who were of Arab (west Asian) and Berber (north African) descent. Many people with a significant Iberian background will have some amount of Middle Eastern DNA in their admix because of the Moorish influence. As for how Iberian ended up in the British Isles, likely trade.

Gray Fox
07-24-2016, 07:14 AM
Welcome to the forum, ashstar. It appears that you have created duplicate threads in different categories. This is in violation of section 3.10 of the term's of service/forum rules.

"3.10 Certain standards of quality control will be enforced to ensure a productive forum atmosphere. Invectives and posts devoid of substance (e.g. threads or replies consisting solely of inflammatory content or triviality) will be considered junk postings and deleted. Breeches in basic forum etiquette include (and are not limited to) cross-posting different threads, consecutive posting in existing threads and reviving old threads whose course of discussion has long since expired ("necro-bumping")."

You'll need to pick one location for this thread. I'd suggest choosing this one, as it appears you'll get more focus here rather than the Commercial testing section.

Just a friendly reminder of the rules :)

ashstar
07-24-2016, 07:18 AM
Thanks :) was in the process of deleting the other one now

Gray Fox
07-24-2016, 07:20 AM
Thanks :) was in the process of deleting the other one now

Gotcha covered ;)

BalkanKiwi
07-24-2016, 09:34 AM
Welcome to the forum! It's always great to see new members with ancestry from the Oceanian region, as evident by your results. You may find the Oceanian section (http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?190-Oceanian)on the forum helpful.

ashstar
07-24-2016, 10:12 AM
Thanks for the welcome BalkanKiwi :) I will head over to the Oceanian section shortly, thanks!

Mestace
07-24-2016, 10:24 AM
Hi All,

2. Does anyone know why I have a higher west med, west asian and north east african on eurogenes k15 than the average English / Irish person? The reason I ask is that I have one of those dreaded family rumours that I cant find any evidence of as yet, the rumour was a spanish ancestor..I have a middle east component which comes up on every test which has me intrigued.



You don't, everything is in the average, except the Oceanian which pops up sometimes in Brits for some reasons. If you had a Spanish ancestor, you would have LESS West Asian, not more. If you had any middle eastern input you would score a lot more East med and red_sea in particular. You are neither Norwegian and Spanish, just a standard English.

Anyhow, you can still explore some deeper seated tests.

ashstar
07-24-2016, 10:36 AM
Thanks Mestace, I compared my numbers against Irish, South East English and South West English averages on the k15 eurogenes spreadsheet and north-east african is not common in the above mentioned populations, maybe it is just noise for me at such a low level perhaps.
I do have an actual full Oceanian ancestor at the GG grandparent level so that is accurate.
Thanks for your feedback.

Mestace
07-24-2016, 10:40 AM
Thanks Mestace, I compared my numbers against Irish, South East English and South West English averages on the k15 eurogenes excel spreadsheet and north-east african is not common in the above mentioned populations, maybe it is just noise for me at such a low level perhaps.
I do have an actual full Oceanian ancestor at the GG grandparent level so that is accurate.
Thanks for your feedback.

Yes your Oceanian score is what pulls you away from the Isles, it slightly increases your distance to everything. I personally like Gedrosia Eurasia K10 on Gedmatch to get a deeper ancestral picture.

ashstar
07-24-2016, 10:51 AM
Ok thanks! I'm new to interpreting all of these calculators, it can be quite confusing. I just ran the Gedrosia Eurasia K10 and get these results! I'm guessing its the Oceanian ancestor pulling me out again

1 WHG 36.96
2 CHG 21.88
3 Anatolian_Farmers 20.03
4 EHG 12.63
5 SW_Asian 4.02
6 Papuan 1.96
7 S_Indian 1.31
8 E_Asian 0.61
9 W_African 0.44
10 Amerindian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.59
2 Hungarian 4.81
3 French 5.81
4 English 7.28
5 Czech 8.2
6 Scottish 8.58
7 Bulgarian 8.83
8 Norwegian 10.37
9 Ukrainian 10.6
10 Icelandic 11.47
11 Spanish 11.91
12 French_South 13.43
13 Albanian 14.51
14 Belarusian 14.62
15 Tuscan 16.01
16 Russian 16.21
17 Greek 17.06
18 Lithuanian 19.44
19 Estonian 20.02
20 Finnish 20.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.8% French + 13.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 2.41
2 54.3% Bulgarian + 45.7% Norwegian @ 2.44
3 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Tajik_Pomiri @ 2.48
4 54.9% Bulgarian + 45.1% Ukrainian @ 2.5
5 94.9% Croatian + 5.1% Kalash @ 2.51
6 91.8% Hungarian + 8.2% RISE_baArm @ 2.52
7 94.9% Croatian + 5.1% Burusho @ 2.54
8 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Kurd_SE @ 2.56
9 57% Bulgarian + 43% Icelandic @ 2.57
10 95% Croatian + 5% Pathan @ 2.58
11 94.4% Croatian + 5.6% Pashtun_Afghan @ 2.62
12 63% Bulgarian + 37% Belarusian @ 2.63
13 95.5% Croatian + 4.5% GujaratiA @ 2.64
14 70.2% Bulgarian + 29.8% Estonian @ 2.65
15 82.5% English + 17.5% Turkish @ 2.66
16 69.6% Bulgarian + 30.4% Lithuanian @ 2.66
17 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% Punjabi @ 2.67
18 96% Croatian + 4% GujaratiB @ 2.7
19 86.7% English + 13.3% Assyrian @ 2.7
20 94.6% Croatian + 5.4% Tajik_Afghan @ 2.73

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 3.717213
2 Hungarian @ 5.073347
3 French @ 6.204521
4 English @ 7.821847
5 Czech @ 8.762172
6 Scottish @ 9.123201
7 Bulgarian @ 9.466210
8 Norwegian @ 11.079260
9 Ukrainian @ 11.266662
10 Icelandic @ 12.285656
11 Spanish @ 12.704917
12 French_South @ 14.419738
13 Albanian @ 15.563790
14 Belarusian @ 15.677769
15 Tuscan @ 17.126490
16 Russian @ 17.216080
17 Greek @ 18.372660
18 Lithuanian @ 20.909922
19 Estonian @ 21.532660
20 Tatars @ 21.866617

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Norwegian @ 2.473507


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% English +25% Ukrainian @ 2.341544


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + English + Ukrainian @ 2.341544
2 Kumyk + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.394309
3 Chechen + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.397116
4 Lezgin + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.445758
5 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 2.460752
6 Chechen + Estonian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.472001
7 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.473507
8 Estonian + Kumyk + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.477349
9 Adygei + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.486948
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + English + Norwegian @ 2.488014
11 Adygei + Estonian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.501655
12 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Scottish + Ukrainian @ 2.504328
13 Estonian + Lezgin + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.510312
14 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Czech + Ukrainian @ 2.522300
15 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Norwegian + Scottish @ 2.526325
16 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Czech + Norwegian @ 2.535421
17 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Norwegian @ 2.579480
18 Adygei + Estonian + Estonian + Sardinian @ 2.582746
19 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Ukrainian @ 2.583219
20 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 2.590014

Mestace
07-24-2016, 11:43 AM
Ok thanks! I'm new to interpreting all of these calculators, it can be quite confusing. I just ran the Gedrosia Eurasia K10 and get these results! I'm guessing its the Oceanian ancestor pulling me out again


Yes you can also notice how the African and Amerindian is at "noise" levels here, contrary to the Oceanian, still there as expected. Looks a lot like some French results actually, with 2% Oceanian on top, but you clearly don't have any recent or significant Spanish ancestry with that much CHG.

ashstar
07-24-2016, 12:19 PM
Ok yes, I can see what your saying, interesting, thank you.
Seeing as though my paternal side is exclusively South / South East English I would not be surprised if I have some amount of continental input in my dna in the way of settlers from France (Hugeonots) and Belgium potentially and earlier migrations to the south east coast of England such as the Normans and Anglo-Saxon tribes.

AJL
07-24-2016, 03:41 PM
Thread moved to Inquiries Corner with 1-week expiring redirect (it seems to belong here rather than in General).

Svabinsky
07-24-2016, 04:00 PM
You don't, everything is in the average, except the Oceanian which pops up sometimes in Brits for some reasons. If you had a Spanish ancestor, you would have LESS West Asian, not more. If you had any middle eastern input you would score a lot more East med and red_sea in particular. You are neither Norwegian and Spanish, just a standard English.

Anyhow, you can still explore some deeper seated tests.

Just a follow up. Why would less West Asian, and not more, mean Iberian ancestry. As for Ashstar's numbers being standard, I have friends with documented distant Spanish/Port branches and they had similar Gedmatch results as Ashstar, a few percentage point more, but in the same range. I have friends with plain vanilla ancestry from British Isles on all four sides going back, at least, to the early 1600s, and their West Med is only in the range of 3-5%. They are nowhere near Ashstar's combination of West_Med 14.62/West_Asian 6.46 which, I think, is pretty significant and points to Iberian ancestry, albeit deep, no? You do correctly point out that the East Med and Red Sea components are lacking for someone with Middle Eastern ancestry. I have Middle Eastern ancestry and my East Med/Red sea/West Asian are 17%/5%/12%.

L1983
07-24-2016, 06:12 PM
Hi All,

Newbie here, hope its okay to post this here, please let me know if I am posting in the wrong area :)

I am a long time lurker, first time poster and would appreciate some other eyes to look over my gedmatch, ancestry dna and ftdna results.

I am of South English background on my paternal side, areas such as Oxfordshire, Wiltshire. On my maternal side I am a mix of Cornish, Irish, South English, one scottish line that I know of and I also have one GG grandparent who was a native Australian.

My questions are;

1. Do you think my results reflect some continental admixture? My ancestry dna Europe west result surprised me at 36%, I have recently found out that South England was rather a hot spot for various migrants such as the anglo-saxons, Belgian, Huguenots etc. that were integrated into the native population.

2. Does anyone know why I have a higher west med, west asian and north east african on eurogenes k15 than the average English / Irish person? The reason I ask is that I have one of those dreaded family rumours that I cant find any evidence of as yet, the rumour was a spanish ancestor..I have a middle east component which comes up on every test which has me intrigued.

Thank you in advance!!



Hiya, I thought I'd share my results with you so you can compare with your own.

I'm English with an Irish great grandmother, although don't know about two recent paternal lines on both maternal and paternal side. I got a pretty standard English result with 23andme, but other things pop up on other calculators so I'm not too sure what to think now. I've recently ordered from Ancestry DNA so will wait to see what they give me.

Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.7
2 Baltic 21.78
3 West_Med 14.09
4 West_Asian 7.38
5 East_Med 5.53
6 South_Asian 1.85
7 Amerindian 1.25
8 Siberian 1.19
9 Red_Sea 0.71
10 Sub-Saharan 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 3.14
2 West_German 3.92
3 Southeast_English 5.41
4 North_German 6.45
5 Orcadian 6.58

1 84.8% Orcadian + 15.2% Central_Greek @ 1.83
2 80.8% Irish + 19.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.85
3 79.8% West_Scottish + 20.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.86
4 85.8% Orcadian + 14.2% South_Italian @ 1.87
5 88.2% Orcadian + 11.8% Turkish @ 1.89
6 83.3% Orcadian + 16.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.9
7 85.2% Orcadian + 14.8% East_Sicilian @ 1.93
8 89% Orcadian + 11% Cyprian @ 1.94
9 90% Orcadian + 10% Assyrian @ 1.99
10 83.3% Irish + 16.7% Central_Greek @ 1.99

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + South_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 2.219130
2 Irish + South_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.241608
3 South_Dutch + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 2.257617
4 Romanian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.307862
5 South_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 2.335896
6 West_German + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 2.338305
7 Irish + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.357730
8 French + Irish + North_German + West_German @ 2.364891
9 Irish + Romanian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.412697
10 French + North_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 2.434115
11 Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.440575
12 Irish + South_Dutch + South_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 2.445004
13 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_Italian @ 2.450416
14 Orcadian + South_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.473405
15 Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 2.478931
16 Bulgarian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.482135
17 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + Swedish @ 2.495238
18 French + North_German + Orcadian + West_German @ 2.503160
19 French + Irish + North_German + South_Dutch @ 2.514285
20 Romanian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.516148

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 34.84
2 Atlantic 24
3 Eastern_Euro 9.91
4 West_Med 9.79
5 Baltic 8.8
6 West_Asian 4.61
7 East_Med 4.06
8 South_Asian 1.7
9 Amerindian 0.84
10 Siberian 0.81
11 Sub-Saharan 0.38
12 Red_Sea 0.26

1 68% West_German + 32% Orcadian @ 2.46
2 63.7% West_German + 36.3% Danish @ 2.56
3 69.2% West_German + 30.8% West_Scottish @ 2.6
4 63.4% West_German + 36.6% Southeast_English @ 2.72
5 70.6% West_German + 29.4% Irish @ 2.83
6 72.9% Orcadian + 27.1% Serbian @ 2.91
7 62.5% West_German + 37.5% Southwest_English @ 2.93
8 66.4% West_German + 33.6% North_Dutch @ 2.96
9 55.5% Norwegian + 44.5% French @ 2.96
10 80.9% Orcadian + 19.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.96

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 2.630369
2 Danish + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.631373
3 French + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German @ 2.755421
4 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.761809
5 Danish + French + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.770905
6 Danish + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.781228
7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.798872
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 2.846535
9 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.854961
10 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.886591

Gedrosia Eurasia K10
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 35.06
2 CHG 22.56
3 Anatolian_Farmers 20.06
4 EHG 13.91
5 SW_Asian 6.22
6 S_Indian 1.64
7 Amerindian 0.56

1 92% Croatian + 8% Kalash @ 2.15
2 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 2.17
3 92.3% Croatian + 7.7% Kurd_SE @ 2.21
4 91.2% Croatian + 8.8% Pashtun_Afghan @ 2.35
5 92.3% Croatian + 7.7% Pathan @ 2.44
6 62.2% Bulgarian + 37.8% Ukrainian @ 2.52
7 87.3% Hungarian + 12.7% Kurd_C @ 2.54
8 93% Croatian + 7% Balochi @ 2.58
9 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% Brahui @ 2.6
10 93% Croatian + 7% Makrani @ 2.63

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +50% Ukrainian @ 3.104809


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% RISE_baSin +25% Spanish @ 2.168813


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + French + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 1.940463
2 Albanian + English + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 2.055532
3 English + RISE_baSin + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 2.067177
4 Albanian + Bulgarian + French + RISE_baSin @ 2.112955
5 RISE_baSin + Scottish + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 2.120337
6 Norwegian + RISE_baSin + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 2.127663
7 Icelandic + RISE_baSin + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 2.153245
8 Albanian + RISE_baSin + Scottish + Tuscan @ 2.157776
9 Albanian + Czech + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 2.159971
10 Czech + RISE_baSin + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 2.163277
11 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + RISE_baSin + Spanish @ 2.168813
12 Croatian + Greek + RISE_baSin + Spanish @ 2.238063
13 Bulgarian + Croatian + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 2.294048
14 Bulgarian + French + Greek + RISE_baSin @ 2.297221
15 Albanian + Norwegian + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 2.304506
16 Greek + Icelandic + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 2.317343
17 Albanian + Albanian + English + RISE_baSin @ 2.318446
18 Albanian + Icelandic + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 2.319972
19 Greek + Hungarian + RISE_baSin + Spanish @ 2.336854
20 Bulgarian + Hungarian + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 2.371421

DNA Land

Northwest European 80%
South European 13% (Balkan 12% South/Central European 1.7%)
Central Asian 4.2% (Kalash 2.9% Indo-Iranian 1.2%)
Sardinian 1.6%
Finnish 1%

wegene

98.12% Europe
38.75% French
30.20% English
11.62% Finnish
9.11% Hungarian
5.29% Ashkenazi Jews
3.13% Sardinian
0.02% Others
1.64% Other Asia
1.64% Southern Asia ?
0% Others
0.21% Northest Asia & America
0.20% Maya
0.01% Others
0.03% Others

DNA Tribes

European 98.3%
North African and Middle Eastern 1.7%

Edited to include Eurasia K10

Mestace
07-24-2016, 07:20 PM
Just a follow up. Why would less West Asian, and not more, mean Iberian ancestry. As for Ashstar's numbers being standard, I have friends with documented distant Spanish/Port branches and they had similar Gedmatch results as Ashstar, a few percentage point more, but in the same range. I have friends with plain vanilla ancestry from British Isles on all four sides going back, at least, to the early 1600s, and their West Med is only in the range of 3-5%. They are nowhere near Ashstar's combination of West_Med 14.62/West_Asian 6.46 which, I think, is pretty significant and points to Iberian ancestry, albeit deep, no? You do correctly point out that the East Med and Red Sea components are lacking for someone with Middle Eastern ancestry. I have Middle Eastern ancestry and my East Med/Red sea/West Asian are 17%/5%/12%.

I guess you are comparing K13 scores (K15 scores are different), she s actually below the average on west_med, east med and red sea for S.England on K13's spreadsheet. Any recent Spanish would skyrocket her west med (early neolithic basically) and to some extent east med and red sea too, also lower greatly the Baltic. Of course something distant is possible but since she's in the average and in the normal variation for south England, there s just nothing pointing to Iberians in particular, more like the opposite.

I was talking about West Asian because to me it's the most obvious marker, it lowers when you head towards the southwest, it's at 0 in Basques, and only rises again slightly in "mainland" Iberians. CHG isn't exactly the same thing but a more modern adna calculator is the drawing the same picture : rather high CHG, not much Anat_farmer nor SW_Asian etc... actually she would be drifting east/southeast on a pca, in the opposite direction of Iberians, though partly due to the little Oceanian.

Svabinsky
07-24-2016, 08:30 PM
I guess you are comparing K13 scores (K15 scores are different), she s actually below the average on west_med, east med and red sea for S.England on K13's spreadsheet. Any recent Spanish would skyrocket her west med (early neolithic basically) and to some extent east med and red sea too, also lower greatly the Baltic. Of course something distant is possible but since she's in the average and in the normal variation for south England, there s just nothing pointing to Iberians in particular, more like the opposite.

I was talking about West Asian because to me it's the most obvious marker, it lowers when you head towards the southwest, it's at 0 in Basques, and only rises again slightly in "mainland" Iberians. CHG isn't exactly the same thing but a more modern adna calculator is the drawing the same picture : rather high CHG, not much Anat_farmer nor SW_Asian etc... actually she would be drifting east/southeast on a pca, in the opposite direction of Iberians, though partly due to the little Oceanian.

I do wish that the Gedmatch calculators had geographical definitions. I know that a few do but many do not. To my understanding, West Asia is the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq Iran, part of the Caucuses and, to a certain extent, the Levan (which could also be part of the Eastern Med). What specific geographical area falls under West Asia in Eurogenes? Western Med, I presume, is the Iberian Peninsula. To me, Ashstar's percentages seem much more than noise, in both K13 and K15. I can the .X% as noise but the Western Med is 14% on K13 and 9.7% on K15. That seems to me much more than noise.

You stated that she's in the average and in the normal variation for south England, there s just nothing pointing to Iberians in particular, more like the opposite. What would explain Western Med and Western Asian DNA in the admixtures of south England? Wouldn't it be some ancient ancestry from Iberia and the Near East. I know that the Near East accounts for a significant chunk of European ancestry, as the farmers migrated out of the fertile crescent into Europe after the last ice age so, presumably, that could explain the Near Eastern DNA in the British admixture, but how do you explain the Western Med DNA?

Mestace
07-24-2016, 08:52 PM
I do wish that the Gedmatch calculators had geographical definitions. I know that a few do but many do not. To my understanding, West Asia is the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq Iran, part of the Caucuses and, to a certain extent, the Levan (which could also be part of the Eastern Med). What specific geographical area falls under West Asia in Eurogenes? Western Med, I presume, is the Iberian Peninsula. To me, Ashstar's percentages seem much more than noise, in both K13 and K15.

You stated that she's in the average and in the normal variation for south England, there s just nothing pointing to Iberians in particular, more like the opposite. What would explain Western Med and Western Asian DNA in the admixtures of south England? Wouldn't it be some ancient ancestry from Iberia and the Near East. I know that the Near East accounts for a significant chunk of European ancestry, as the farmers migrated out of the fertile crescent into Europe after the last ice age so, presumably, that could explain the Near Eastern DNA in the British admixture, but how do you explain the Western Med DNA?

Well they kinda of have geographical definition, it's the peak you find in the spreadsheets. Im recently less inclined to look into all these virtual made up components like West med, Atlantic and such. It's all some gradients of WHG, early neo, etc.. which inflates artificially some of the difference that can be found in Europe. It's a bit like making up a Tuscan component and a Lombard one. Both will get close 100% of it and you would assume based on this, they are totally different when they are in fact extremely related of course.

For an English it's just basic neolithic to get west med, your regular anat farmer early wave, it isn't something Iberian, simply shared among all Europeans and Iberians tend to have a lot of it, as well as Sardinians where it peaks. Keep in mind for example even a average Norwegian gets 10% West med, it's really the least dramatic neolithic input. Overall i find it hazardous to associate these components to a particular population, specially when they don't peak at 100% somewhere. There s also a lot in other components which is again one my concern with these type of calculators, it won't give you the amount of a true ancestral component that clearly, you need more deep seated calcs. West Asian peaks in Caucasus and central/south Asian, but yes the Levant get some decent level of it too, though their main component is usually east med and red sea, which we rather call SW_Asian now, and very recently as we get more genomes, a mix of high Natufian/Iran_neo i would say, or simply high Basal Eurasian + several gradients of WHG and/or ANE. Genetic admixture is the greatest Russian dolls game there is.

ashstar
07-25-2016, 01:50 AM
Thanks for posting your results L1983 :) we have similar results overall apart from the fact that you have a East med score on eurogenes calcs and I do not, you also have small amounts of other areas like red sea, Siberian which I do not. I obviously have an Oceanian component of around 2% which you do not.

I noticed on the gedrosia K10 you also get a high result for SW asian and a result for S Indian that is not standard for an English person according to the spreadsheet. It would be interesting to see a Irish average on the K10 spreadsheet but I don't imagine it would be all that different from the English? Both our CHG and Anatolian farmer is slightly higher than English average and our WHG is quite lower than the English average. However I am not knowledgeable enough to interpret what this all means! other admixture into English gene pool? not sure..

What parts of England / Ireland do you descend from?

Gray Fox
07-25-2016, 02:06 AM
Here are mine as well. I am predominately of British extraction (Colonial American) and then southern German, perhaps a line or two from France. The British is from all over, but mostly the more western areas (West country, Midlands, Border area with Scotland, Wales etc.).

Eurogenes K13

Population
North_Atlantic 47.71
Baltic 22.40
West_Med 16.45
West_Asian 7.07
East_Med 0.93
Red_Sea 1.65
South_Asian 2.34
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.80
Northeast_African 0.56
Sub-Saharan 0.08

Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.536907
2 Southeast_English @ 6.598611
3 Irish @ 6.627919
4 Orcadian @ 6.646937
5 West_Scottish @ 7.362957
6 South_Dutch @ 7.483386
7 North_Dutch @ 7.962877
8 Danish @ 8.444126
9 North_German @ 8.678823
10 West_German @ 9.199832
11 Norwegian @ 10.166459
12 Swedish @ 11.719330
13 French @ 12.493008
14 Austrian @ 15.031477
15 East_German @ 15.490885
16 North_Swedish @ 17.775402
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.009535
18 Southwest_French @ 20.156233
19 Hungarian @ 20.673208
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 20.912029

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 4.744200


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Southwest_French @ 4.041972


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Swedish @ 3.853248
2 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 3.900500
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_French @ 4.041972
4 Irish + Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish @ 4.071383
5 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 4.081935
6 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Norwegian @ 4.107916
7 Danish + French_Basque + North_German + North_German @ 4.192881
8 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_German + North_German @ 4.208834
9 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + North_Swedish @ 4.234457
10 Danish + French_Basque + North_German + Swedish @ 4.235085
11 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + Swedish @ 4.236475
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.239171
13 Irish + North_German + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 4.250018
14 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 4.251694
15 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_German + Swedish @ 4.252956
16 French_Basque + North_German + Swedish + Swedish @ 4.264365
17 Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.265576
18 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 4.279115
19 East_German + French_Basque + Irish + Swedish @ 4.285917
20 Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.286542


Eurogenes K15


North_Sea 38.16
Atlantic 24.85
Baltic 7.91
Eastern_Euro 8.28
West_Med 12.42
West_Asian 4.56
East_Med 0.07
Red_Sea 0.89
South_Asian 1.80
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.53
Northeast_African 0.36
Sub-Saharan 0.17


Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 6.005629
2 Orcadian @ 6.923914
3 Southeast_English @ 7.661818
4 North_Dutch @ 7.884391
5 West_German @ 8.668456
6 West_Scottish @ 8.750549
7 Danish @ 8.846440
8 Irish @ 9.058284
9 Norwegian @ 9.390085
10 West_Norwegian @ 9.644341
11 South_Dutch @ 10.076649
12 North_German @ 10.623752
13 Swedish @ 11.445212
14 French @ 12.749083
15 North_Swedish @ 14.749412
16 East_German @ 16.866287
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.754553
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.191389
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.870279
20 Hungarian @ 21.979189

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_German @ 5.253280


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_Norwegian @ 4.813499


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.810384
2 Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 4.813499
3 French + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 5.032036
4 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.038402
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.059635
6 French + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 5.065968
7 Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 5.071299
8 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.114113
9 Orcadian + Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.120989
10 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.136764
11 French + Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.140501
12 Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.181106
13 French + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.208220
14 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.211314
15 Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.215261
16 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 5.253280
17 French + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 5.280590
18 Spanish_Cantabria + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.297429
19 Orcadian + Orcadian + Portuguese + West_Norwegian @ 5.309790
20 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 5.320391

ashstar
07-25-2016, 02:42 AM
Thanks for sharing Gray Fox :) its interesting to compare to others of similar background.

I also consistently get a west german result but have no documented 'germanic' lines unlike yourself. My top 4 results on most calculators are a mix of dutch, german, frisian, belgian with different english / irish variants depending on which calculator I use.

Does anyone know if this indicates 'germanic' input somewhere or is it that most English people are too genetically similar to distinguish accurately from continental neighbours perhaps?

L1983
07-25-2016, 06:10 AM
Thanks for posting your results L1983 :) we have similar results overall apart from the fact that you have a East med score on eurogenes calcs and I do not, you also have small amounts of other areas like red sea, Siberian which I do not. I obviously have an Oceanian component of around 2% which you do not.

I noticed on the gedrosia K10 you also get a high result for SW asian and a result for S Indian that is not standard for an English person according to the spreadsheet. It would be interesting to see a Irish average on the K10 spreadsheet but I don't imagine it would be all that different from the English? Both our CHG and Anatolian farmer is slightly higher than English average and our WHG is quite lower than the English average. However I am not knowledgeable enough to interpret what this all means! other admixture into English gene pool? not sure..

What parts of England / Ireland do you descend from?

The lines I know about are: Kent, Sussex, South London, East London, Hertfordshire, Somerset, Lincolnshire, Essex, Liverpool, Cork and County Tyrone :)