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Sikeliot
07-27-2016, 01:23 AM
They seem to demonstrate what many suggested: the "Celtic" vs "Germanic" language divide is not a genetic one, and that Irish, English, and Scottish are all very close to one another and to northern Germanic peoples. I am not seeing a big difference across different regions of Ireland, either.


Dublin/Meath (Leinster):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 39.96
2 Atlantic 25.05
3 Baltic 10.86
4 West_Med 9.61
5 Eastern_Euro 6.72
6 West_Asian 3.97
7 South_Asian 1.63
8 Amerindian 1.46
9 Northeast_African 0.4
10 Oceanian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 4.94
2 North_Dutch 5.04
3 West_Norwegian 5.81
4 Norwegian 5.97
5 Southwest_English 6.18
6 West_Scottish 6.46
7 Southeast_English 6.48
8 Danish 6.51
9 Irish 6.58
10 Swedish 7.44
11 West_German 8.32
12 North_German 8.37
13 South_Dutch 10.1
14 North_Swedish 11.46
15 French 13.3
16 East_German 14.81
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.51
18 Hungarian 18.94
19 Austrian 19.85
20 Finnish 20.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.5% West_Norwegian + 47.5% Southwest_English @ 3.73
2 84.5% West_Norwegian + 15.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.9
3 83.9% West_Norwegian + 16.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.98
4 75.1% West_Norwegian + 24.9% French @ 4.02
5 82.9% West_Norwegian + 17.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.02
6 85.8% West_Norwegian + 14.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.03
7 86% West_Norwegian + 14% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.03
8 83.3% West_Norwegian + 16.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.05
9 83.9% West_Norwegian + 16.1% Portuguese @ 4.05
10 86.7% West_Norwegian + 13.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.09
11 61.2% Orcadian + 38.8% Norwegian @ 4.1
12 72.5% Orcadian + 27.5% West_German @ 4.11
13 85% West_Norwegian + 15% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.11
14 85.5% West_Norwegian + 14.5% Southwest_French @ 4.13
15 88.2% West_Norwegian + 11.8% French_Basque @ 4.15
16 85.2% West_Norwegian + 14.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.15
17 92.3% West_Norwegian + 7.7% Sardinian @ 4.15
18 69.8% Orcadian + 30.2% Swedish @ 4.15
19 86.1% West_Norwegian + 13.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.16
20 51.6% Norwegian + 48.4% Southwest_English @ 4.2



Cavan (Ulster):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 34.38
2 Atlantic 31.77
3 Baltic 10.83
4 Eastern_Euro 9.19
5 West_Med 7.89
6 West_Asian 4.32
7 Red_Sea 0.95
8 Sub-Saharan 0.25
9 Amerindian 0.22
10 Oceanian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.79
2 Southeast_English 3.36
3 West_Scottish 3.39
4 Southwest_English 4.51
5 Danish 5.03
6 North_Dutch 5.33
7 North_German 5.36
8 Orcadian 5.71
9 South_Dutch 7.55
10 Norwegian 9.31
11 West_Norwegian 9.94
12 Swedish 10.42
13 West_German 10.55
14 French 12.07
15 North_Swedish 12.69
16 East_German 13.46
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.2
18 Austrian 16.96
19 Hungarian 18.56
20 Spanish_Cataluna 18.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% Irish + 6.4% French_Basque @ 2.17
2 93.1% Irish + 6.9% Southwest_French @ 2.32
3 91.3% West_Scottish + 8.7% French_Basque @ 2.34
4 93.6% Irish + 6.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.41
5 94.2% Irish + 5.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.43
6 94.2% Irish + 5.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.43
7 90% West_Scottish + 10% Southwest_French @ 2.47
8 95% Irish + 5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.48
9 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.49
10 94.8% Irish + 5.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.57
11 94.5% Irish + 5.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.57
12 86.7% Irish + 13.3% South_Dutch @ 2.57
13 95.2% Irish + 4.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.58
14 95.5% Irish + 4.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.6
15 94.4% Irish + 5.6% Austrian @ 2.61
16 98% Irish + 2% Sardinian @ 2.61
17 95.7% Irish + 4.3% Portuguese @ 2.63
18 98.3% Irish + 1.7% Balkar @ 2.65
19 98.3% Irish + 1.7% Kabardin @ 2.65
20 90.7% West_Scottish + 9.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.66



Leinster province (multiple counties)

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.27
2 Atlantic 30.17
3 Baltic 12.44
4 West_Med 8.62
5 Eastern_Euro 8.36
6 West_Asian 3.42
7 Amerindian 1.16
8 South_Asian 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.56
2 Southeast_English 3.29
3 West_Scottish 3.48
4 Southwest_English 4.1
5 North_Dutch 4.22
6 Danish 4.5
7 North_German 5.02
8 Orcadian 5.47
9 South_Dutch 7.55
10 Norwegian 7.82
11 West_Norwegian 8.61
12 Swedish 8.85
13 West_German 9.63
14 North_Swedish 11.6
15 French 12.07
16 East_German 12.68
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.39
18 Austrian 16.77
19 Hungarian 17.67
20 Finnish 18.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.1% Irish + 10.9% East_German @ 2.05
2 94.4% Irish + 5.6% Ukrainian @ 2.15
3 94.3% Irish + 5.7% South_Polish @ 2.17
4 94.1% Irish + 5.9% Croatian @ 2.17
5 94.5% Irish + 5.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.17
6 94.4% Irish + 5.6% Polish @ 2.18
7 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.19
8 95.2% Irish + 4.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.21
9 95.9% Irish + 4.1% Lithuanian @ 2.22
10 95.6% Irish + 4.4% Belorussian @ 2.24
11 95% Irish + 5% Moldavian @ 2.24
12 95.8% Irish + 4.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.25
13 95.8% Irish + 4.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.25
14 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Southwest_French @ 2.26
15 93.6% Irish + 6.4% Hungarian @ 2.27
16 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Sardinian @ 2.28
17 95.5% Irish + 4.5% Estonian @ 2.3
18 93.7% Irish + 6.3% Austrian @ 2.3
19 96.2% Irish + 3.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.3
20 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Erzya @ 2.31


Kildare (Leinster):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.48
2 Atlantic 29.99
3 Baltic 11.25
4 Eastern_Euro 7.64
5 West_Med 7.17
6 West_Asian 3.29
7 Amerindian 1.55
8 South_Asian 0.78
9 Red_Sea 0.74
10 Northeast_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 1.97
2 West_Scottish 2.29
3 North_Dutch 3.67
4 Southeast_English 3.68
5 Orcadian 3.69
6 Danish 4.27
7 Southwest_English 5.02
8 North_German 6.08
9 Norwegian 7.21
10 West_Norwegian 7.33
11 Swedish 8.45
12 South_Dutch 9.17
13 West_German 10.19
14 North_Swedish 11.72
15 French 13.36
16 East_German 14.6
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.53
18 Austrian 18.72
19 Hungarian 19.28
20 Finnish 19.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Karitiana @ 1.71
2 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Pima @ 1.73
3 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Anzick-1 @ 1.73
4 99.1% Irish + 0.9% Mayan @ 1.73
5 88.5% Irish + 11.5% West_Norwegian @ 1.74
6 99.1% Irish + 0.9% North_Amerindian @ 1.78
7 80.1% Irish + 19.9% Orcadian @ 1.8
8 90.5% Irish + 9.5% Norwegian @ 1.83
9 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Karitiana @ 1.84
10 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Mayan @ 1.85
11 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Pima @ 1.86
12 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Anzick-1 @ 1.87
13 93.2% Irish + 6.8% Swedish @ 1.88
14 99.4% Irish + 0.6% East_Greenlander @ 1.91
15 99.4% Irish + 0.6% West_Greenlander @ 1.92
16 87.6% Irish + 12.4% North_Dutch @ 1.92
17 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% North_Amerindian @ 1.94
18 98.1% Irish + 1.9% North_Swedish @ 1.96
19 99.7% Irish + 0.3% MA-1 @ 1.96
20 99.8% Irish + 0.2% Chukchi @ 1.96


Kildare (Leinster):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 33.13
2 North_Sea 32.91
3 Baltic 10.23
4 Eastern_Euro 9.54
5 West_Med 6.91
6 West_Asian 6.64
7 Amerindian 0.38
8 Sub-Saharan 0.23
9 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 5.01
2 Southeast_English 5.44
3 West_Scottish 5.54
4 North_German 6.24
5 Southwest_English 6.59
6 Danish 6.77
7 North_Dutch 7.41
8 Orcadian 7.55
9 South_Dutch 8.41
10 Norwegian 11.3
11 West_German 11.93
12 West_Norwegian 11.95
13 Swedish 12.26
14 French 12.89
15 East_German 14.11
16 North_Swedish 14.16
17 Austrian 16.88
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.97
19 Hungarian 19.08
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.9% Irish + 5.1% Chechen @ 4.31
2 95.3% Irish + 4.7% North_Ossetian @ 4.31
3 95% Irish + 5% Kabardin @ 4.32
4 95.1% Irish + 4.9% Balkar @ 4.33
5 95.3% Irish + 4.7% Adygei @ 4.34
6 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Ossetian @ 4.35
7 91.2% Irish + 8.8% French_Basque @ 4.39
8 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Abhkasian @ 4.4
9 95.3% Irish + 4.7% Lezgin @ 4.45
10 96% Irish + 4% Georgian @ 4.45
11 95.3% Irish + 4.7% Tabassaran @ 4.5
12 95.5% Irish + 4.5% Kumyk @ 4.52
13 95.3% Irish + 4.7% Nogay @ 4.56
14 88.9% West_Scottish + 11.1% French_Basque @ 4.57
15 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% North_Ossetian @ 4.61
16 94.1% West_Scottish + 5.9% Kabardin @ 4.65
17 94.2% West_Scottish + 5.8% Balkar @ 4.65
18 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% Adygei @ 4.67
19 94.1% West_Scottish + 5.9% Chechen @ 4.67
20 96% Irish + 4% Tadjik @ 4.67



Donegal (Ulster):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.44
2 Atlantic 35.96
3 Eastern_Euro 9.62
4 Baltic 7.77
5 West_Med 7.21
6 West_Asian 2.36
7 Amerindian 0.61
8 South_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 5.52
2 Irish 5.78
3 Southeast_English 6.33
4 Orcadian 6.96
5 Southwest_English 7.68
6 Danish 8.2
7 North_Dutch 8.86
8 North_German 9.91
9 South_Dutch 11.48
10 West_Norwegian 12.01
11 Norwegian 12.23
12 Swedish 13.76
13 West_German 14.32
14 French 15.12
15 North_Swedish 15.9
16 East_German 18.17
17 Southwest_Finnish 19.77
18 Spanish_Cataluna 20.74
19 Austrian 21.18
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.9% West_Scottish + 11.1% French_Basque @ 4.54
2 90.7% Irish + 9.3% French_Basque @ 5.18
3 84.7% Orcadian + 15.3% French_Basque @ 5.3
4 93.8% West_Scottish + 6.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.3
5 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Southwest_French @ 5.36
6 95% West_Scottish + 5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.38
7 95.1% West_Scottish + 4.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.4
8 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.42
9 97% West_Scottish + 3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.46
10 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.49
11 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.5
12 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.5
13 98.6% West_Scottish + 1.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.51
14 100% West_Scottish + 0% Abhkasian @ 5.52
15 100% West_Scottish + 0% Adygei @ 5.52
16 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.52
17 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.52
18 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.52
19 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.52
20 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 5.52


Ulster province:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 34.4
2 Atlantic 30.85
3 Eastern_Euro 11.33
4 Baltic 9.76
5 West_Med 8.03
6 West_Asian 5.29
7 South_Asian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 4.01
2 Irish 4.19
3 West_Scottish 4.19
4 Danish 4.78
5 Southwest_English 4.9
6 North_German 5.43
7 North_Dutch 5.62
8 Orcadian 5.9
9 South_Dutch 7.47
10 Norwegian 8.98
11 West_Norwegian 9.72
12 West_German 10.27
13 Swedish 10.35
14 North_Swedish 12.09
15 French 12.23
16 East_German 13.09
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.77
18 Austrian 16.72
19 Hungarian 18.26
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.3% Danish + 11.7% French_Basque @ 3.26
2 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Chechen @ 3.51
3 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Kabardin @ 3.52
4 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Balkar @ 3.52
5 74.7% West_Scottish + 25.3% South_Dutch @ 3.55
6 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Lezgin @ 3.56
7 95.9% West_Scottish + 4.1% Adygei @ 3.56
8 96% West_Scottish + 4% Ossetian @ 3.58
9 96% West_Scottish + 4% North_Ossetian @ 3.59
10 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Tabassaran @ 3.59
11 88.4% West_Scottish + 11.6% Austrian @ 3.6
12 85.8% West_Scottish + 14.2% East_German @ 3.64
13 96.7% West_Scottish + 3.3% Abhkasian @ 3.66
14 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Nogay @ 3.66
15 91.2% West_Scottish + 8.8% Southwest_French @ 3.66
16 95.9% West_Scottish + 4.1% Kumyk @ 3.67
17 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% Georgian @ 3.69
18 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Chuvash @ 3.69
19 94.1% West_Scottish + 5.9% Tatar @ 3.7
20 91.7% West_Scottish + 8.3% Croatian @ 3.7


Unknown (just lists "100% Irish")

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.92
2 Atlantic 25.48
3 Baltic 9.92
4 West_Med 9.63
5 Eastern_Euro 8.39
6 West_Asian 5.08
7 East_Med 2.7
8 Sub-Saharan 0.77
9 South_Asian 0.47
10 Red_Sea 0.23
11 Amerindian 0.22
12 Oceanian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 4.01
2 North_Dutch 4.14
3 Southeast_English 4.37
4 Danish 4.92
5 Orcadian 5
6 West_German 5.37
7 West_Scottish 5.58
8 Irish 5.62
9 North_German 5.98
10 Norwegian 6.55
11 South_Dutch 6.67
12 West_Norwegian 7.17
13 Swedish 7.91
14 French 10.34
15 North_Swedish 11.05
16 East_German 12.53
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.36
18 Hungarian 16.64
19 Austrian 16.9
20 Spanish_Galicia 18.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.9% Orcadian + 48.1% West_German @ 1.39
2 86.9% Orcadian + 13.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.14
3 51.1% West_German + 48.9% West_Scottish @ 2.18
4 83.9% Orcadian + 16.1% Romanian @ 2.2
5 85.5% Orcadian + 14.5% Bulgarian @ 2.27
6 81.7% Orcadian + 18.3% Serbian @ 2.28
7 59.7% West_Norwegian + 40.3% French @ 2.3
8 58.8% North_Dutch + 41.2% West_German @ 2.41
9 83.8% Orcadian + 16.2% Moldavian @ 2.47
10 51.4% West_German + 48.6% Irish @ 2.48
11 88.2% Orcadian + 11.8% Greek @ 2.5
12 78.4% West_Norwegian + 21.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.58
13 79.3% Orcadian + 20.7% Hungarian @ 2.59
14 57.3% Southeast_English + 42.7% West_German @ 2.64
15 73.3% West_Norwegian + 26.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.64
16 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Central_Greek @ 2.67
17 52.1% South_Dutch + 47.9% West_Norwegian @ 2.69
18 77.4% West_Norwegian + 22.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.69
19 75.8% West_Norwegian + 24.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.72
20 89.4% Orcadian + 10.6% Ashkenazi @ 2.76


Donegal:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.01
2 Atlantic 33.58
3 Eastern_Euro 9.96
4 Baltic 8.43
5 West_Asian 5.65
6 West_Med 5.09
7 South_Asian 0.57
8 Amerindian 0.41
9 Oceanian 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 4.52
2 Irish 4.78
3 Southeast_English 5.76
4 Orcadian 5.96
5 Danish 6.4
6 North_Dutch 7.22
7 Southwest_English 7.5
8 North_German 7.66
9 South_Dutch 10.62
10 Norwegian 10.72
11 West_Norwegian 10.74
12 Swedish 12.01
13 West_German 13
14 North_Swedish 14.12
15 French 14.95
16 East_German 16.59
17 Southwest_Finnish 18.15
18 Austrian 19.61
19 Hungarian 21.41
20 Spanish_Cataluna 21.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Chechen @ 4.35
2 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Ossetian @ 4.37
3 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% North_Ossetian @ 4.37
4 98% West_Scottish + 2% Adygei @ 4.38
5 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Tabassaran @ 4.39
6 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Kabardin @ 4.39
7 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Abhkasian @ 4.39
8 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Lezgin @ 4.39
9 98% West_Scottish + 2% Balkar @ 4.39
10 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Georgian @ 4.41
11 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% French_Basque @ 4.41
12 98.6% West_Scottish + 1.4% Kalash @ 4.44
13 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Kumyk @ 4.45
14 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.45
15 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Tadjik @ 4.46
16 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Burusho @ 4.47
17 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Balochi @ 4.47
18 98.6% West_Scottish + 1.4% Nogay @ 4.47
19 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Brahui @ 4.48
20 99.1% West_Scottish + 0.9% Pathan @ 4.49


Kerry (Munster) and Sligo, Mayo, Roscommon (Connacht):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.09
2 Atlantic 30.22
3 Eastern_Euro 11.55
4 Baltic 10.02
5 West_Med 9.12
6 West_Asian 3.34
7 South_Asian 0.76
8 Red_Sea 0.76
9 East_Med 0.67
10 Amerindian 0.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.82
2 Southwest_English 4.28
3 Irish 4.63
4 West_Scottish 4.83
5 Danish 5.03
6 North_German 5.37
7 North_Dutch 5.95
8 South_Dutch 6.06
9 Orcadian 6.78
10 Norwegian 9.02
11 West_German 9.46
12 West_Norwegian 10.15
13 Swedish 10.4
14 French 10.81
15 North_Swedish 11.75
16 East_German 11.92
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.99
18 Austrian 15.53
19 Hungarian 17.12
20 Spanish_Cataluna 17.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Danish + 14.9% French_Basque @ 2.34
2 82.5% Danish + 17.5% Southwest_French @ 2.82
3 92.1% Southeast_English + 7.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 3
4 82.9% Danish + 17.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.02
5 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Chuvash @ 3.06
6 93.3% Southeast_English + 6.7% Erzya @ 3.06
7 84.4% Danish + 15.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.08
8 95.4% Southeast_English + 4.6% Mari @ 3.12
9 92.5% Southeast_English + 7.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.13
10 58.7% West_Scottish + 41.3% South_Dutch @ 3.17
11 91.5% Southeast_English + 8.5% East_Finnish @ 3.19
12 84.4% Danish + 15.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.19
13 92.4% Southeast_English + 7.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.2
14 91.5% Southeast_English + 8.5% Polish @ 3.21
15 92.9% Southeast_English + 7.1% Southwest_Russian @ 3.22
16 93% Southeast_English + 7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.23
17 84.6% West_Scottish + 15.4% Southwest_French @ 3.25
18 96.5% Southeast_English + 3.5% MA-1 @ 3.25
19 93.1% Southeast_English + 6.9% Belorussian @ 3.26
20 88.1% Southeast_English + 11.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.26


Connacht:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.25
2 Atlantic 29.43
3 Baltic 8.92
4 West_Med 8.73
5 Eastern_Euro 6.92
6 West_Asian 5.66
7 East_Med 3.87
8 Northeast_African 0.63
9 Amerindian 0.19
10 Siberian 0.18
11 Oceanian 0.18
12 Red_Sea 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.91
2 Southwest_English 3.66
3 Irish 4.42
4 West_Scottish 4.77
5 Orcadian 5.35
6 North_Dutch 5.61
7 Danish 5.72
8 North_German 6.05
9 South_Dutch 6.27
10 West_German 7.54
11 Norwegian 9.55
12 French 9.82
13 West_Norwegian 9.91
14 Swedish 10.74
15 North_Swedish 13.65
16 East_German 13.98
17 Austrian 17.06
18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.06
19 Spanish_Galicia 17.78
20 Southwest_Finnish 17.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Southeast_English + 3.8% Georgian @ 1.94
2 96.4% Southeast_English + 3.6% Abhkasian @ 1.94
3 96.1% Southeast_English + 3.9% Armenian @ 2.01
4 96.1% Southeast_English + 3.9% Ossetian @ 2.06
5 96.3% Southeast_English + 3.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.09
6 96.3% Southeast_English + 3.7% North_Ossetian @ 2.12
7 96.2% Southeast_English + 3.8% Adygei @ 2.14
8 96.4% Southeast_English + 3.6% Assyrian @ 2.15
9 96% Southeast_English + 4% Kumyk @ 2.17
10 96.2% Southeast_English + 3.8% Balkar @ 2.18
11 95.9% Southeast_English + 4.1% Turkish @ 2.19
12 96.4% Southeast_English + 3.6% Kurdish @ 2.2
13 96.2% Southeast_English + 3.8% Kabardin @ 2.21
14 96.7% Southeast_English + 3.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.22
15 96.2% Southeast_English + 3.8% Azeri @ 2.23
16 96.2% Southeast_English + 3.8% Chechen @ 2.23
17 96.8% Southeast_English + 3.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.26
18 96.6% Southeast_English + 3.4% Iranian @ 2.27
19 96.5% Southeast_English + 3.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.27
20 96.3% Southeast_English + 3.7% Lezgin @ 2.27


Galway, Connacht:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 41.61
2 Atlantic 26.72
3 Eastern_Euro 10.46
4 West_Med 7.51
5 Baltic 6.61
6 West_Asian 6.41
7 Northeast_African 0.37
8 Siberian 0.17
9 Amerindian 0.12
10 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 4.63
2 West_Norwegian 6.68
3 North_Dutch 6.79
4 West_Scottish 6.81
5 Danish 7.14
6 Southeast_English 7.66
7 Irish 7.76
8 Norwegian 7.79
9 Southwest_English 8.04
10 Swedish 9.74
11 North_German 9.85
12 West_German 10.83
13 South_Dutch 11.95
14 North_Swedish 12.62
15 French 15.45
16 East_German 17.38
17 Southwest_Finnish 19.16
18 Hungarian 21.7
19 Finnish 21.84
20 Austrian 21.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.9% Orcadian + 4.1% Tabassaran @ 4.19
2 96.5% Orcadian + 3.5% Lezgin @ 4.3
3 96.9% Orcadian + 3.1% Chechen @ 4.35
4 97.2% Orcadian + 2.8% Ossetian @ 4.38
5 77.8% Orcadian + 22.2% West_Norwegian @ 4.4
6 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Abhkasian @ 4.41
7 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Georgian @ 4.42
8 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% Adygei @ 4.43
9 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Balkar @ 4.43
10 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Kabardin @ 4.43
11 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% North_Ossetian @ 4.44
12 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Kumyk @ 4.45
13 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% Nogay @ 4.55
14 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.55
15 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Kalash @ 4.56
16 88.9% Orcadian + 11.1% Norwegian @ 4.56
17 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Tadjik @ 4.57
18 98.2% Orcadian + 1.8% Chuvash @ 4.57
19 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Armenian @ 4.57
20 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.57


Connacht:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.83
2 Atlantic 32.48
3 Eastern_Euro 11.93
4 West_Med 8.28
5 Baltic 6.68
6 West_Asian 3.55
7 Amerindian 0.5
8 Oceanian 0.49
9 South_Asian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 5.05
2 Southeast_English 5.21
3 Irish 5.63
4 Orcadian 5.91
5 Southwest_English 6.11
6 Danish 6.68
7 North_Dutch 7.59
8 North_German 8.54
9 South_Dutch 9.53
10 Norwegian 10.45
11 West_Norwegian 10.6
12 West_German 12.04
13 Swedish 12.3
14 French 13.41
15 North_Swedish 13.92
16 East_German 16.11
17 Southwest_Finnish 18.16
18 Austrian 19.52
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.82
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.4% West_Scottish + 8.6% French_Basque @ 4.43
2 87.5% Orcadian + 12.5% French_Basque @ 4.63
3 92.4% West_Scottish + 7.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.74
4 93% West_Scottish + 7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.74
5 93% West_Scottish + 7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.75
6 92.7% West_Scottish + 7.3% Southwest_French @ 4.76
7 93.8% West_Scottish + 6.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.82
8 94.5% West_Scottish + 5.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.84
9 94.5% West_Scottish + 5.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.89
10 94.5% West_Scottish + 5.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.89
11 94% West_Scottish + 6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.9
12 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Sardinian @ 4.9
13 76.2% West_Scottish + 23.8% Southwest_English @ 4.92
14 60.2% West_Scottish + 39.8% Southeast_English @ 4.92
15 95.2% West_Scottish + 4.8% Portuguese @ 4.94
16 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.95
17 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% MA-1 @ 4.96
18 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Mari @ 4.98
19 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.98
20 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% French @ 4.99


Donegal:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 40.12
2 Atlantic 27.26
3 Eastern_Euro 10.09
4 Baltic 9.92
5 West_Med 8.25
6 West_Asian 2.37
7 South_Asian 1.43
8 Sub-Saharan 0.23
9 Oceanian 0.17
10 Amerindian 0.12
11 East_Med 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 3.06
2 North_Dutch 3.95
3 West_Scottish 4.33
4 Danish 4.45
5 West_Norwegian 4.6
6 Norwegian 5.02
7 Irish 5.2
8 Southeast_English 5.34
9 Southwest_English 5.81
10 Swedish 7.14
11 North_German 7.77
12 West_German 9.66
13 South_Dutch 10.25
14 North_Swedish 10.34
15 French 14.22
16 East_German 15.14
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.61
18 Finnish 19.59
19 Hungarian 19.76
20 Austrian 19.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.7% Orcadian + 34.3% Norwegian @ 1.86
2 64% Orcadian + 36% West_Norwegian @ 2
3 88.3% West_Norwegian + 11.7% French_Basque @ 2.19
4 57.2% West_Norwegian + 42.8% Southwest_English @ 2.23
5 82.8% Orcadian + 17.2% North_Swedish @ 2.24
6 76.5% Orcadian + 23.5% Swedish @ 2.25
7 54.9% West_Norwegian + 45.1% Southeast_English @ 2.39
8 93.5% Orcadian + 6.5% Estonian @ 2.49
9 52.2% West_Scottish + 47.8% West_Norwegian @ 2.54
10 91.9% Orcadian + 8.1% Finnish @ 2.54
11 93.7% Orcadian + 6.3% Ukrainian @ 2.56
12 93.6% Orcadian + 6.4% East_Finnish @ 2.57
13 90.8% Orcadian + 9.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.58
14 95.4% Orcadian + 4.6% Erzya @ 2.58
15 95.2% Orcadian + 4.8% Lithuanian @ 2.59
16 94.9% Orcadian + 5.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.6
17 94% Orcadian + 6% Polish @ 2.61
18 94.9% Orcadian + 5.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.62
19 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.64
20 95.1% Orcadian + 4.9% Belorussian @ 2.65

Sikeliot
07-27-2016, 01:35 AM
Also, contrary to what people would expect, they seem closer to SE England (Kent) than to Scotland.

AnnieD
07-28-2016, 05:06 AM
I would be keen to see the 23andMe and AncestryDNA British / Irish AC results for these samples. The working theory on many 23andMe B/I discussions is that the lower B/I for typical English vs. Irish ratio is greater continental admixture for English. One nearly fully East English poster looked almost Dutch-like in his AC ratios. What does AncestryDNA "see" that the other big DNA companies don't in order to break-out Irish from British? B) These results seem to align with the current Irish DNA Atlas discussion on this forum which is leaning towards a similar genetic mix for entire NW Euro - Atlantic from Early Bronze Age. Or, maybe Irish DNA will torment the anthro-geneticists like the Irish pysche appeared to torment the psycho-analysts:

Reputedly said by Freud: "... the Irish are a mass of contradictions" and psychoanalysis is no use on them. They have their poetry, stories and songs.

Jessie
07-28-2016, 07:43 AM
Also, contrary to what people would expect, they seem closer to SE England (Kent) than to Scotland.

That would depend as all those areas are very close using Gedmatch calculators. Studies conducted by geneticists do support that the Irish are closest to Scots but we will have to wait for the upcoming Irish DNA Atlas results to come out.

On my K15 West Scots is my no 2 after Irish. My brother gets Orcadian first and West Scots as his no 2 before Irish so I wouldn't be so quick to make assertions from a few Gedmatch results.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.1
9 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.03
2 West_Scottish 3.18
3 North_Dutch 3.71
4 Danish 3.92
5 Orcadian 4.92
6 Southeast_English 5.05
7 North_German 5.1
8 Southwest_English 6.72
9 Norwegian 7.23
10 West_Norwegian 7.49
11 Swedish 8.02
12 South_Dutch 9.76
13 West_German 10.83
14 North_Swedish 10.95
15 East_German 14.23
16 French 14.47
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
18 Austrian 18.1
19 Hungarian 18.79
20 Finnish 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Swedish @ 2.74
2 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Chechen @ 2.76
3 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.77
4 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Tabassaran @ 2.78
5 89.9% Irish + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 2.79
6 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Chechen @ 2.8
7 67.9% Irish + 32.1% North_Dutch @ 2.81
8 74.3% West_Scottish + 25.7% North_German @ 2.82
9 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Lezgin @ 2.82
10 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kabardin @ 2.82
11 86.3% Irish + 13.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.83
12 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Adygei @ 2.83
13 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.83
14 98% Irish + 2% North_Ossetian @ 2.84
15 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Lezgin @ 2.84
16 86.3% Irish + 13.7% Norwegian @ 2.84
17 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Balkar @ 2.85
18 94.8% Irish + 5.2% Finnish @ 2.85
19 96% Irish + 4% Estonian @ 2.86
20 98% Irish + 2% Kabardin @ 2.86

And this is my brother's K15
Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.02
2 Atlantic 28.5
3 Eastern_Euro 9.98
4 Baltic 9.12
5 West_Med 7.56
6 West_Asian 5.23
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 Amerindian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 2.86
2 West_Scottish 3.29
3 North_Dutch 3.86
4 Danish 3.88
5 Irish 3.94
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Southwest_English 4.99
8 North_German 6.29
9 Norwegian 6.64
10 West_Norwegian 6.68
11 Swedish 8.41
12 South_Dutch 8.96
13 West_German 9.41
14 North_Swedish 11.21
15 French 13.25
16 East_German 14.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.66
18 Austrian 18.83
19 Hungarian 19.23
20 Finnish 19.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.9% Orcadian + 6.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.13
2 94.7% Orcadian + 5.3% Erzya @ 2.15
3 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% East_German @ 2.16
4 94.1% Orcadian + 5.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.18
5 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.18
6 93.9% Orcadian + 6.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.2
7 96.2% Orcadian + 3.8% Tabassaran @ 2.21
8 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Chechen @ 2.21
9 76.6% Orcadian + 23.4% North_German @ 2.21
10 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Lezgin @ 2.21
11 93% Orcadian + 7% Croatian @ 2.22
12 93.1% Orcadian + 6.9% South_Polish @ 2.22
13 93.3% Orcadian + 6.7% Polish @ 2.23
14 93.4% Orcadian + 6.6% Moldavian @ 2.24
15 94.3% Orcadian + 5.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.24
16 93.6% Orcadian + 6.4% Ukrainian @ 2.26
17 91.5% Orcadian + 8.5% Austrian @ 2.27
18 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Kabardin @ 2.27
19 94.5% Orcadian + 5.5% Belorussian @ 2.29
20 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% Adygei @ 2.29

Hopefully some other Irish people will contribute to this thread. It might get more notice in the Celtic subforum.

Jessie
07-28-2016, 07:56 AM
I would be keen to see the 23andMe and AncestryDNA British / Irish AC results for these samples. The working theory on many 23andMe B/I discussions is that the lower B/I for typical English vs. Irish ratio is greater continental admixture for English. One nearly fully East English poster looked almost Dutch-like in his AC ratios. What does AncestryDNA "see" that the other big DNA companies don't in order to break-out Irish from British? B) These results seem to align with the current Irish DNA Atlas discussion on this forum which is leaning towards a similar genetic mix for entire NW Euro - Atlantic from Early Bronze Age. Or, maybe Irish DNA will torment the anthro-geneticists like the Irish pysche appeared to torment the psycho-analysts:

Reputedly said by Freud: "... the Irish are a mass of contradictions" and psychoanalysis is no use on them. They have their poetry, stories and songs.

I remember looking into that quote a few years ago. It is apparently not authentic which is no great surprise really.

http://scienceblogs.com/drcharlesHIDDEN/2007/03/16/the-academy-award-winning-misq-1/

kevinduffy
07-28-2016, 12:28 PM
Kit Num: T656173
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.

Gedmatch.Com

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.06
2 Atlantic 30.70
3 Baltic 12.49
4 Eastern_Euro 10.43
5 West_Med 7.32
6 West_Asian 4.72


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 4.475718
2 Irish @ 4.761482
3 Southeast_English @ 5.328879
4 Danish @ 5.453609
5 West_Scottish @ 5.515063
6 North_Dutch @ 6.316955
7 Southwest_English @ 6.429143
8 Orcadian @ 8.261535
9 South_Dutch @ 8.304565
10 Norwegian @ 10.330671
11 Swedish @ 11.206722
12 West_Norwegian @ 11.764356
13 West_German @ 12.053037
14 North_Swedish @ 13.030462
15 East_German @ 13.401763
16 French @ 14.157553
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 16.091887
18 Austrian @ 17.657801
19 Hungarian @ 19.498487
20 Finnish @ 20.329037

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_German @ 3.512303


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% North_German @ 3.512303


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 East_German + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.442617
2 East_German + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.465837
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 3.512303
4 East_German + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.541175
5 Irish + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.617957
6 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southeast_English @ 3.618968
7 Austrian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.641629
8 Austrian + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.644076
9 East_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.644983
10 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.650259
11 Austrian + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.680385
12 East_German + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 3.712899
13 North_German + North_German + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.715837
14 North_German + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.721386
15 East_German + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.737662
16 Irish + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 3.741007
17 North_German + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.754737
18 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.759870
19 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.767809
20 North_German + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.771665

Done.

Elapsed time 1.7720 seconds.

Sikeliot
07-29-2016, 10:28 PM
Kit Num: T656173
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode..

Where in Ireland is your ancestry from?

Sikeliot
07-30-2016, 08:01 PM
The closeness of Irish results to Dutch, SE English, and Scottish do not imply to me that there is a lack of continental Germanic admixture in Ireland, but exactly the opposite.

Amerijoe
07-30-2016, 09:28 PM
Maternal Aunt
23andme 90.6% British and Irish

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.48
2 Atlantic 35.25
3 Baltic 10.27
4 West_Med 6.25
5 West_Asian 6.01
6 Eastern_Euro 4.70
7 Amerindian 1.81

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 6.762696
2 West_Scottish @ 7.546523
3 Southeast_English @ 8.049035
4 Orcadian @ 9.019348
5 Southwest_English @ 9.399821
6 North_Dutch @ 10.334514
7 Danish @ 10.501074
8 North_German @ 10.696624
9 South_Dutch @ 13.145977
10 West_Norwegian @ 15.014508
11 Norwegian @ 15.122149
12 Swedish @ 16.083105
13 West_German @ 16.190060
14 French @ 16.968241
15 North_Swedish @ 19.571533
16 East_German @ 20.626558
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.483728
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 23.492723
19 Austrian @ 23.857611
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.461117

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 6.762696

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 6.762696

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 6.762696
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 6.934604
3 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 7.000017
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 7.111821
5 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.123464
6 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 7.166396
7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 7.195672
8 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 7.294004
9 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 7.325139
10 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.327962
11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.347746
12 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 7.350641
13 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 7.358138
14 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 7.458005
15 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 7.496479
16 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 7.521595
17 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.521621
18 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.546523
19 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.546882
20 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.547862

My Results
23andme 90.8% Britain & Irish

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.49
2 Atlantic 31.86
3 Eastern_Euro 10.37
4 West_Med 7.40
5 West_Asian 4.06
6 Baltic 4.00
7 South_Asian 1.85
8 East_Med 1.46

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 6.132384
2 West_Scottish @ 7.040536
3 Southeast_English @ 7.550269
4 Irish @ 8.081570
5 Southwest_English @ 8.591435
6 Danish @ 9.042513
7 North_Dutch @ 9.870012
8 North_German @ 11.960868
9 West_Norwegian @ 12.290524
10 Norwegian @ 12.866243
11 South_Dutch @ 13.062667
12 West_German @ 14.452965
13 Swedish @ 15.162580
14 French @ 16.624475
15 North_Swedish @ 17.642721
16 East_German @ 21.548481
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 23.671003
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 24.220856
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 24.883635
20 Austrian @ 25.524454

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 6.132384

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 6.132384

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 6.132384
2 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 6.144243
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 6.184345
4 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 6.302929
5 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.324688
6 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.356218
7 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 6.370862
8 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.405067
9 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.451453
10 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 6.546504
11 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 6.560585
12 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 6.569880
13 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.577403
14 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.625294
15 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.643481
16 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 6.695612
17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.706832
18 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 6.715137
19 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.716515
20 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 6.723423

The peoples of the United Kingdom are difficult to absolutely differentiate from each other. My aunt's 2, 3, & 4 pop. results indicate Irish and mine Orcadian. Is their 'Orcadian' Northwestern Europe? What is the average genetic Irish distance for someone from Ireland?

Sikeliot
07-30-2016, 10:13 PM
The peoples of the United Kingdom are difficult to absolutely differentiate from each other. My aunt's 2, 3, & 4 pop. results indicate Irish and mine Orcadian. Is their 'Orcadian' Northwestern Europe? What is the average genetic Irish distance for someone from Ireland?

I am unsure, but I notice your results are further from both SE England and from Sweden/Norway than the Irish results posted above, both by me and kevinduffy.

Amerijoe
07-31-2016, 03:21 AM
I am unsure, but I notice your results are further from both SE England and from Sweden/Norway than the Irish results posted above, both by me and kevinduffy.

I agree with your conclusions, but it still confuses me on the admixtures distances. What do these numbers infer? Is an Irish GD of 6, three times further than a GD of 2?

Maternal Aunt's

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.9% Irish + 8.1% French_Basque @ 5.43
2 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Karitiana @ 5.79
3 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.8
4 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Mayan @ 5.81
5 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Pima @ 5.81
6 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Anzick-1 @ 5.81
7 96.8% Irish + 3.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.82
8 89.4% West_Scottish + 10.6% French_Basque @ 5.82
9 99.3% Irish + 0.7% North_Amerindian @ 5.84
10 98.9% Irish + 1.1% North_Ossetian @ 5.84
11 99% Irish + 1% Abhkasian @ 5.84
12 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.84
13 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Southwest_French @ 5.84
14 98% Irish + 2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.85
15 99.1% Irish + 0.9% Ossetian @ 5.85
16 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Georgian @ 5.85
17 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.86
18 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Adygei @ 5.86
19 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Balkar @ 5.86
20 99.4% Irish + 0.6% Chechen @ 5.86

Mine

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% Orcadian + 6.7% French_Basque @ 4.98
2 94.3% Orcadian + 5.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.15
3 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.15
4 94.8% Orcadian + 5.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.2
5 95.6% Orcadian + 4.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.22
6 94.9% Orcadian + 5.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.22
7 95% Orcadian + 5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.22
8 95.4% Orcadian + 4.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.24
9 95.7% Orcadian + 4.3% Southwest_French @ 5.25
10 95.6% Orcadian + 4.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.27
11 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Portuguese @ 5.3
12 96.7% Orcadian + 3.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.3
13 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Balochi @ 5.31
14 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Brahui @ 5.31
15 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Burusho @ 5.32
16 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% West_Sicilian @ 5.32
17 99% Orcadian + 1% Sindhi @ 5.32
18 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.32
19 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Makrani @ 5.32
20 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Kalash @ 5.32

kevinduffy
07-31-2016, 03:59 AM
The closeness of Irish results to Dutch, SE English, and Scottish do not imply to me that there is a lack of continental Germanic admixture in Ireland, but exactly the opposite.

Actually, what I think happened is that when Germanic populations moved into places such as the Netherlands and England, they absorbed some of the pre-existing Celtic populations. It is not uncommon for male invaders to mate with indigenous females.

Sikeliot
07-31-2016, 04:02 AM
Actually, what I think happened is that when Germanic populations moved into places such as the Netherlands and England, they absorbed some of the pre-existing Celtic populations. It is not uncommon for male invaders to mate with indigenous females.


Where in Ireland is your family from?

There is also the fact that eastern Ireland has more British ancestry than the west, so whatever arrived in England also arrived indirectly to Ireland.

kevinduffy
07-31-2016, 04:03 AM
Where in Ireland is your ancestry from?

My father is from County Monaghan and my mother is from County Cavan.

kevinduffy
07-31-2016, 04:07 AM
Where in Ireland is your family from?

There is also the fact that eastern Ireland has more British ancestry than the west, so whatever arrived in England also arrived indirectly to Ireland.

Most of the British ancestry in the Irish Republic would probably be around the Dublin area since Dublin was part of the Pale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale

kevinduffy
07-31-2016, 04:14 AM
GEDmatch.Com Oracle

This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Kit T656173

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.06
2 Atlantic 30.7
3 Baltic 12.49
4 Eastern_Euro 10.43
5 West_Med 7.32
6 West_Asian 4.72
7 South_Asian 0.92
8 Siberian 0.26
9 Oceanian 0.08
10 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 3.86
2 Irish 4.11
3 Southeast_English 4.61
4 Danish 4.68
5 West_Scottish 4.75
6 North_Dutch 5.41
7 Southwest_English 5.64
8 Orcadian 7.12
9 South_Dutch 7.2
10 Norwegian 8.85
11 Swedish 9.62
12 West_Norwegian 10.06
13 West_German 10.34
14 North_Swedish 11.28
15 East_German 11.53
16 French 12.37
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.06
18 Austrian 15.08
19 Hungarian 16.71
20 Finnish 17.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Irish + 11.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.73
2 89.6% Irish + 10.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.79
3 89.5% Irish + 10.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.8
4 89.7% Irish + 10.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.84
5 90.1% Irish + 9.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.86
6 87.8% Irish + 12.2% Polish @ 2.87
7 83.5% Irish + 16.5% Austrian @ 2.88
8 91.4% Irish + 8.6% Erzya @ 2.9
9 87.8% Irish + 12.2% South_Polish @ 2.92
10 89.8% Irish + 10.2% Belorussian @ 2.92
11 79.4% Irish + 20.6% East_German @ 2.92
12 87.6% Irish + 12.4% Croatian @ 2.94
13 80% West_Scottish + 20% Austrian @ 2.98
14 86.8% West_Scottish + 13.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3
15 53.8% North_German + 46.2% Irish @ 3.04
16 92% North_German + 8% French_Basque @ 3.1
17 89.2% Irish + 10.8% Ukrainian @ 3.1
18 91.4% Irish + 8.6% Lithuanian @ 3.1
19 91.9% Irish + 8.1% Tatar @ 3.11
20 84.9% West_Scottish + 15.1% Croatian @ 3.11

Sikeliot
07-31-2016, 04:15 AM
Most of the British ancestry in the Irish Republic would probably be around the Dublin area since Dublin was part of the Pale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale


Are those the names of the clans that ruled over the lands? McMurrough has been Anglicized to "Murphy" right?

Sikeliot
07-31-2016, 04:16 AM
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 3.86
2 Irish 4.11
3 Southeast_English 4.61
4 Danish 4.68
5 West_Scottish 4.75
6 North_Dutch 5.41
7 Southwest_English 5.64
8 Orcadian 7.12
9 South_Dutch 7.2
10 Norwegian 8.85
11 Swedish 9.62
12 West_Norwegian 10.06
13 West_German 10.34
14 North_Swedish 11.28
15 East_German 11.53
16 French 12.37
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.06
18 Austrian 15.08
19 Hungarian 16.71
20 Finnish 17.84



What confuses me is why most Irish get SE England before SW England, when the former has much more Anglo-Saxon admixture. This is why I wonder if we can effectively distinguish "Germanic" from insular Celtic genes. Even an Irish person with 0% English ancestry should still be genetically quite similar to an English person, no?

kevinduffy
07-31-2016, 04:26 AM
Are those the names of the clans that ruled over the lands? McMurrough has been Anglicized to "Murphy" right?

I am really no expert when it comes to Irish names, but I think that you may be right about that. If memory serves, Murphy is more common in Ulster while McMurrough is more common in Leinster.

kevinduffy
07-31-2016, 04:28 AM
What confuses me is why most Irish get SE England before SW England, when the former has much more Anglo-Saxon admixture. This is why I wonder if we can effectively distinguish "Germanic" from insular Celtic genes. Even an Irish person with 0% English ancestry should still be genetically quite similar to an English person, no?

Or there may be a problem with the calculators that Gedmatch uses. Nothing is ever going to be 100% accurate.

kevinduffy
07-31-2016, 04:34 AM
What confuses me is why most Irish get SE England before SW England, when the former has much more Anglo-Saxon admixture. This is why I wonder if we can effectively distinguish "Germanic" from insular Celtic genes. Even an Irish person with 0% English ancestry should still be genetically quite similar to an English person, no?

From what I understand, most Northern Europeans are genetically similar to each other.

Shaikorth
07-31-2016, 08:44 AM
Celtic and germanic ancestry can be distinguished, but the analysis needs to be localized or use methods like Chromopainter, rarecoal, etc.

If you run a PCA on IBD numbers on a West European set, there is an "upward" pull on the British Isles from Holland and Germany.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQV0g4aW1mZnNJeHM/edit?pref=2&pli=1

But on a Europe-wide PCA it is already a bit harder to see.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQWWFJRi1pRWRfWjA/edit?pref=2&pli=1

Sikeliot
07-31-2016, 02:53 PM
Celtic and germanic ancestry can be distinguished, but the analysis needs to be localized or use methods like Chromopainter, rarecoal, etc.

If you run a PCA on IBD numbers on a West European set, there is an "upward" pull on the British Isles from Holland and Germany.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQV0g4aW1mZnNJeHM/edit?pref=2&pli=1

But on a Europe-wide PCA it is already a bit harder to see.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQWWFJRi1pRWRfWjA/edit?pref=2&pli=1

You can still see it from the Europe-wide PCA but not as much, no.

AnnieD
07-31-2016, 04:02 PM
The closeness of Irish results to Dutch, SE English, and Scottish do not imply to me that there is a lack of continental Germanic admixture in Ireland, but exactly the opposite.

I don't believe that references to continental European admixture generally imply a "Germanic" ethnicity, at least among most posters of NW Euro ancestry. Indeed, 23andMe's lumping of French & German together has spawned many a thread debate on the underlying ethnicities. Thus far, it seems to me that due to cultural & political reasons there are few European French or German testers for comparison.

Given the lack of Irish testing with the recent POBI study but currently underway Irish DNA Atlas study, I would suggest to "hold your horses" with drawing inferences from Gedmatch alone. I have at least 1 Irish surname on my family tree, so I have at least 1 horse in this race - LOL! :) What kinds of Gedmatch Eurogenes results do Dutch testers get?

23andMe has 2 recent threads with mostly European Dutch posters comparing their results. However, most of the results are test company-based rather than Gedmatch. A Dutch genealogy blogger has written quite informatively of her DNA testing experience:

"What Dutch DNA looks like"
http://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/what-dutch-dna-looks-like/

With nearly 100% Dutch ancestors traced for 100s of years, she documents how diverse her results look over the 3 major test companies. B) If 23andMe generally shows a 80-99% B/I result for testers declaring themselves as mostly or fully Irish vs. Dutch as roughly 10-30% B/I (impression-not statistically compiled), with remainder comprising F/G & Scandinavian, then why is Gedmatch so out of alignment with this? The Dutch blogger's 23andMe results were reported as F/G 38%, B/I 28%, & Scandinavian 6.5%, an apparently not uncommon result for European Dutch.

Are all of your Irish results from fully-documented Irish-European genealogies for at least 300-400 years?

anglesqueville
07-31-2016, 04:41 PM
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/28/066431:
A tutorial on how (not) to over-interpret STRUCTURE/ADMIXTURE bar plots Useful reading when it comes to detailed issues in admixtures results ...


Indeed, 23andMe's lumping of French & German together has spawned many a thread debate on the underlying ethnicities
It's not a problem of sampling in 23&me's models. All the recent studies show that northern France, Germany ( at least the most western part), Belgium and The Netherlands are nearly impossible to untangle with admixtures based models. Furthermore AIMs based studies seem to confirm this observation. For example: https://www.academia.edu/20275663/European_population_genetic_substructure_Further_d efinition_of_ancestry_informative_markers_for_dist inguishing_among_diverse_European_ethnic_groups
extract: 10719 10720

AnnieD
08-01-2016, 06:25 AM
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/28/066431: Useful reading when it comes to detailed issues in admixtures results ...


It's not a problem of sampling in 23&me's models. All the recent studies show that northern France, Germany ( at least the most western part), Belgium and The Netherlands are nearly impossible to untangle with admixtures based models. Furthermore AIMs based studies seem to confirm this observation. For example: https://www.academia.edu/20275663/European_population_genetic_substructure_Further_d efinition_of_ancestry_informative_markers_for_dist inguishing_among_diverse_European_ethnic_groups
extract:

Drats! The 1st link returned a page not found message. However, the 2nd link should probably be required reading for DNA testers like me who need a little more help in not taking results too literally.

This comment regarding Orcadians in regard to British populations seemed on point:
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"Furthermore,the inclusion or exclusion of particular ethnic groups (that is, Ashkenazi Jewish, and Sardinian for southern European, and Orcadian for Northern European) shifted the relationships in PCA when southern or northern Europeans were examined separately."

And this result finding:
"The current study focuses on the PC1and PC2 results in analyses of European substructure. Additional PCs do show additional substructure, however, the amount of variation is relatively small compared with PC1 and PC2 when northern and southern European populations are considered separately (Supple-mental Figure 3)."
________________
Yikes, this article was dated 2009. This could have saved me from a gazillion B/I threads over at 23andMe (except it needs a good grammar editor B)). Interesting that the web page shows that it has only had 139 views although it is apparently funded within academia in USA.

anglesqueville
08-01-2016, 06:36 AM
First link http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/28/066431 (without the ":")


This could have saved me from a gazillion B/I threads over at 23andMe
Hehe... I'm like you, I cannot help intervening in those debates ( still recently about the hilarious story of south-english allegedly less ANE than irish or scottish, don't recall), but when I do this all the alarm indicators in my mind are red. ;)

Jessie
08-01-2016, 12:29 PM
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/28/066431: Useful reading when it comes to detailed issues in admixtures results ...


It's not a problem of sampling in 23&me's models. All the recent studies show that northern France, Germany ( at least the most western part), Belgium and The Netherlands are nearly impossible to untangle with admixtures based models. Furthermore AIMs based studies seem to confirm this observation. For example: https://www.academia.edu/20275663/European_population_genetic_substructure_Further_d efinition_of_ancestry_informative_markers_for_dist inguishing_among_diverse_European_ethnic_groups
extract: 10719 10720

Thanks for this. It even has some genetic distances included. A very informative read.