PDA

View Full Version : New I1 SNP packs, but need explanations



lgmayka
08-01-2016, 01:50 AM
FTDNA is now offering two new SNP packs for the I1 haplogroup:
I1-CTS6364
I1-CTS10028

However, I don't see an explanation in this forum of who these are really meant for.

I1-CTS6364 appears to mostly cover CTS6364(xCTS10028). So for example, it does not cover L22 or subclades thereof.

I1-CTS10028 appears to mostly cover CTS10028(xZ2338). So for example, it does not cover L205, P109, Z74 or subclades thereof.

The I1-CTS6364 SNP Pack is apparently meant for men who have tested CTS6364+ L22- , a common occurrence.

The I1-CTS10028 SNP Pack appears designed to spite the many men who have tested L22+ (or L22+ P109-), a very common occurrence due to the Deep Clade suites that used to be offered.

Does anyone have a coherent explanation of what all the L22+ men are supposed to do?

JMcB
08-01-2016, 03:38 AM
Thank you for passing that along Igmayka.


I wonder if they'll ever offer a SNP pack that covers my - I1-F2642+CTS6772+ Y1966+ [05] Predicted Y3649+ test Y3649 to confirm. I can't even find the latter on their tree.

Although, it probably doesn't matter because knowing that I'm Y3649 doesn't really take me beyond what I learned in a short email exchange with Ken Nordtvedt after I got my results. So I'll probably just wait for a BigY sale to arise at a fortuitous time.

spruithean
08-01-2016, 07:04 PM
Thank you for passing that along Igmayka.


I wonder if they'll ever offer a SNP pack that covers my - I1-F2642+CTS6772+ Y1966+ [05] Predicted Y3649+ test Y3649 to confirm. I can't even find the latter on their tree.

Although, it probably doesn't matter because knowing that I'm Y3649 doesn't really take me beyond what I learned in a short email exchange with Ken Nordtvedt after I got my results. So I'll probably just wait for a BigY sale to arise at a fortuitous time.

I am wondering this too, I recall being in this group or one of the similar ones in that project.

JMcB
08-02-2016, 11:48 PM
I am wondering this too, I recall being in this group or one of the similar ones in that project.

Yes, we do match down to Y1966. Bill Hartley has placed people into 14 different sub-groups below Y1966. With some of those sub-groups being sparsely populated. I haven't bothered to test anything below I M253 and will probably wait for an opportune moment to finally take BigY.

Do you know where you place using Nordtvedt system? He put me in the 14/22 Complex which he believes was located in the North Western coastal regions of Germany, the area of the Angles, Saxons & Frisians. If I remember correctly from his papers, he dated the 14/22 Complex to around 400 BC. And according to YFull's estimate, Y3649 dates to around 700 BC. Which is why I'm not really in a big hurry to confirm it.

I'm hoping that BigY will be able to shed some light on when my paternal ancestors migrated and what was the pathway that took them to Scotland.

Perhaps, a tall order.

spruithean
08-03-2016, 01:00 AM
Yes, we do match down to Y1966. Bill Hartley has placed people into 14 different sub-groups below Y1966. With some of those sub-groups being sparsely populated. I haven't bothered to test anything below I M253 and will probably wait for an opportune moment to finally take BigY.

Do you know where you place using Nordtvedt system? He put me in the 14/22 Complex which he believes was located in the North Western coastal regions of Germany, the area of the Angles, Saxons & Frisians. If I remember correctly from his papers, he dated the 14/22 Complex to around 400 BC. And according to YFull's estimate, Y3649 dates to around 700 BC. Which is why I'm not really in a big hurry to confirm it.

I'm hoping that BigY will be able to shed some light on when my paternal ancestors migrated and what was the pathway that took them to Scotland.

Perhaps, a tall order.

My cousins and I haven't tested much past Z140. I believe Nordtvedt system had my group in 14/22 complex for a time and then I think recently due to an upgraded STR profile put us in AS6. I don't remember if AS5, AS6 and 14/22-complex have similar origins.

I would also really like to know how my paternal ancestors ended up in Scotland... perhaps even roughly what timeframe.

JMcB
08-03-2016, 04:10 AM
My cousins and I haven't tested much past Z140. I believe Nordtvedt system had my group in 14/22 complex for a time and then I think recently due to an upgraded STR profile put us in AS6. I don't remember if AS5, AS6 and 14/22-complex have similar origins.

I would also really like to know how my paternal ancestors ended up in Scotland... perhaps even roughly what timeframe.



I would imagine that they're closely related. Although to be honest, I've had a hard time finding any information on what the distinctions actually are.

When I used Cullen's haplogroup predictor, which is based on Nordtvedt's research, my results came up like this:

I-M253-AS6 =>51% I-M253-AS5 =>27% I-M253-ASgen =>4% I-M253-AS10 =>4% I-L22-Bothnia =>4% I-M253-AS1H =>3% I-M253-AS1 =>2% I-M253-AS2 =>1% I-M253-AS4 =>1% I-M253-T13 =>1%

http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm

And according to his spread sheet on I1 modalities, he places AS5, AS6 and the 14/22 Complex all in the same time period of 2400 bp. So it's probably safe to say that the same general information he gave to me, applies to you, too.

I1 Modalities
Look on the left just under I1xL22. If it loads like mine, you may have to scroll down a bit.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=8b35adffc37790d0&page=view&resid=8B35ADFFC37790D0!89696&parId=8B35ADFFC37790D0!89654&app=Excel

If you're interested in browsing through some of his papers, you can find them here:

https://onedrive.live.com/?id=8B35ADFFC37790D0%2189654&cid=8B35ADFFC37790D0