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-MvD-
08-02-2016, 01:18 PM
I have searched for all the available sequences of I3a (full and partial) and have made an overview of these sequences. There are clearly a lot of (sub)divisions that are not yet in the latest phylotree build (v 17). If you know of some sequences that I have not mentioned please tell me and then I can insert them as well.

MvD

E_M81_I3A
08-02-2016, 05:29 PM
Thanks for this, I can see mine in the file.

FredH
12-02-2016, 07:11 AM
I have searched for all the available sequences of I3a (full and partial) and have made an overview of these sequences. There are clearly a lot of (sub)divisions that are not yet in the latest phylotree build (v 17). If you know of some sequences that I have not mentioned please tell me and then I can insert them as well.

MvD

I wonder if that all people mentioned in your document share the same I0117 Mt-gene mutations . Then it means that I0117 is our common maternal ancestor. I0117 is a woman buried 4000 years ago at Esperstedt GR Unetice Culture (Early Bronze Age). I0440 is even older than I0117, found at Lopatino (Samara) Sok River, tributary of the Volga River. I am I3a and I have 16357C mutation which is not on your tree.
I check the Mt-DNA of the Yamnaya sample I0440, It is identical to the Unetice sample of Western Europe , then we can say that I0440 & I0117 are closely relared with respect to the maternal line.

Osiris
12-31-2016, 01:42 AM
My father-in-law's on there. He's 278732. I'm looking forward to them defining that one further step below I3a but that will be all he get. No more mutations.

faulconer
02-28-2017, 08:07 PM
http://www.unica.it/pub/print.jsp?id=34799&iso=96&is=7


The Mesolithic sequences of samples of Su Carroppu, in fact, belong to groups called J2b1 and I3, whose current certification in Europe record low frequencies (J, <16%) or very low (I <3%).

If this gets confirmed in the actual paper, this would be the oldest I3 found so far. If truly mesolithic, it would also be close to the current age estimates of I3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(mtDNA)#Historic_and_Pre-Historic_Samples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(mtDNA)#Tree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Nuragic_Sardinia#Mesolithic

faulconer
03-05-2017, 06:11 PM
The paper is out (http://www.nature.com/articles/srep42869) . The age range is currently very close to the current age estimate of I3. Could this be the geo origin of I3? As I3a has been connected to the spread of IE, how does this result change things (if it does)?

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E_M81_I3A
03-05-2017, 07:37 PM
According to Maciamo at Eupedia "It looks like there might have been a Mesolithic expansion from the Steppe to the West Mediterranean long before the PIE migrations"

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33683-MtDna-from-Mesolithic-Sardinia

"Those results are really strange. Nowadays haplogroup I3 is found mostly in northwestern Europe. In ancient samples it only showed up in the Unetice culture and in Scythian sample from southern Russia. Mt-haplogroup I is generally associated with Yamna-derived cultures, except I5 which appears to be related to the Kura-Araxes expansion.

MtDNA J2b is found in most of Europe and the Middle East, but some subclades are specifically European. This is the case of J2b1a (NW Europe + Russia like I3), J2b1b (Britain and Ireland), J2b1c (Greece and Russia). Once again, it appears to have a Yamna origin and spread with R1b tribes. Why on Earth would they be found in Mesolithic Sardinia of all places? This reminds me of the equally strange presence of typical Eastern European haplogroups (H2a1, H6a1, U4a2, U4c1) in Mesolithic Northwest Africa. It looks like there might have been a Mesolithic expansion from the Steppe to the West Mediterranean long before the PIE migrations. Perhaps that would explain how Y-haplogroup R1a* (not even the EHG R1a1a-M17, but the older M420 or SRY1532.2) and mtDNA U4 got into Cantabria (Pasiegos) too."

faulconer
03-05-2017, 08:51 PM
I3 came about around the same time that this person lived (at least according to current estimates based on mutations). It would require a very quick movement to Sardinia after being born in the Steppe. Definitely an interesting find.

FredH
03-06-2017, 09:49 AM
The paper is out (http://www.nature.com/articles/srep42869) . The age range is currently very close to the current age estimate of I3. Could this be the geo origin of I3? As I3a has been connected to the spread of IE, how does this result change things (if it does)?

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This result is very very amazing. Since there is no I3 at all in continental Europe during Mesolithic. U Mt-haplogroup is overwhelming.

faulconer
05-10-2017, 07:35 PM
I've added a couple more I3a from the new Beaker paper to my list (I3602, I3529 & I1775). Interesting to see this subclade and shared haplotype found from Russia to Hungary to Germany to Wales. Seems to line up nicely with the western spread of IE.

I0440 I3a, Lopatina II, Russia 2885-2665 calBCE (Beta 392492) Poltavka

I3602 I3a Hungary Budakalász,*Csajerszke (M0 Site 12) 2500–2200 BCE Heavy Steppe component BB
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

I3529 I3a Germany Alburg-Lerchenhaid, Spedition Häring, Stkr. Straubing,Bavaria 2300–2150 BCE Less Steppe than i3602 BB
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

I0117 I3a Germany Esperstedt 2272-2039 calBCE (3743±25 BP, MAMS-21496) Unetice
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C
(RSRS from paper) C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, T239C, A247G, T250C, 573.XC, A769G, A825t, A1018G, G1719A, A2758G, C2885T, T3594C, G4104A, T4312C, A4529t, G7146A, T7256C, A7521G, G8251A, T8468C, T8655C, G8701A, C9540T, T10034C, T10238C, T10664C, A10688G, C10810T, C10873T, C10915T, A11914G, G12501A, G13105A, G13276A, T13506C, T13650C, A13780G, G15043A, A15924G, T16086C, T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, T16278C, C16311T, G16391A

I0114 I3a Germany Esperstedt 2130-1978 cabBCE
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C
(RSRS from paper) C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, T239C, A247G, T250C, 573.XC, A769G, A825t, A1018G, G1719A, A2758G, C2885T, T3594C, G4104A, T4312C, A4529t, G7146A, T7256C, A7521G, G8251A, T8468C, T8655C, G8701A, C9540T, T10034C, T10238C, T10664C, A10688G, C10810T, C10873T, C10915T, A11914G, G12501A, G13105A, G13276A, T13506C, T13650C, A13780G, G15043A, A15924G, T16086C, T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, T16278C, C16311T, G16391A

I1775 I3a? Wales Great Orme Mines, Llandudno, North Wales 1693–1600 calBCE (3344±27 BP, OxA-14308) Britain BA
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C/T(85/15 heteroplasmy), 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

-MvD-
05-19-2017, 02:54 PM
Thanks for these sequences. I have updated my overview. I found that a lot of the I3d sequences also had the 16086C mutation (which is the defining mutation for I3a), after a closer examination of the sequences I think that I3d belongs in I3a, and that there has been a backmutation of 16086C for a part of this group. By joining these in the I3a scheme I could also place some of the sequences that I already had in I3a in this group. It seems that this group is mainly from the east (Russia).

faulconer
05-19-2018, 04:42 PM
Updated list of I3a in aDNA:

PG2001 I3a, Eneolithic Steppe Progress 2 kurgan Russia 4336-4178 calBCE

I0440 I3a, Lopatina II, Russia 2885-2665 calBCE (Beta 392492) Poltavka

I3602 I3a Hungary Budakalász,*Csajerszke (M0 Site 12) 2500–2200 BCE Heavy Steppe component BB
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

I3529 I3a Germany Alburg-Lerchenhaid, Spedition Häring, Stkr. Straubing,Bavaria 2300–2150 BCE Less Steppe than i3602 BB
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

I0117 I3a Germany Esperstedt 2272-2039 calBCE (3743±25 BP, MAMS-21496) Unetice
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C
(RSRS from paper) C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, T239C, A247G, T250C, 573.XC, A769G, A825t, A1018G, G1719A, A2758G, C2885T, T3594C, G4104A, T4312C, A4529t, G7146A, T7256C, A7521G, G8251A, T8468C, T8655C, G8701A, C9540T, T10034C, T10238C, T10664C, A10688G, C10810T, C10873T, C10915T, A11914G, G12501A, G13105A, G13276A, T13506C, T13650C, A13780G, G15043A, A15924G, T16086C, T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, T16278C, C16311T, G16391A

I0114 I3a Germany Esperstedt 2130-1978 cabBCE
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C
(RSRS from paper) C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, T239C, A247G, T250C, 573.XC, A769G, A825t, A1018G, G1719A, A2758G, C2885T, T3594C, G4104A, T4312C, A4529t, G7146A, T7256C, A7521G, G8251A, T8468C, T8655C, G8701A, C9540T, T10034C, T10238C, T10664C, A10688G, C10810T, C10873T, C10915T, A11914G, G12501A, G13105A, G13276A, T13506C, T13650C, A13780G, G15043A, A15924G, T16086C, T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, T16278C, C16311T, G16391A

I1775 I3a? Wales Great Orme Mines, Llandudno, North Wales 1693–1600 calBCE (3344±27 BP, OxA-14308) Britain BA
73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C/T(85/15 heteroplasmy), 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

E_M81_I3A
07-18-2019, 04:39 PM
First I3a1 reported so far in Ancient DNA has been found in a Viking from St John’s College, Oxford, UK, 880-1000 CE (Population genomics of the Viking world, July 2019):

VK164 : St John’s College, Oxford, UK, 880-1000 CE

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?17812-Population-genomics-of-the-Viking-world-(bioxiv-2019-Copenhagen)

St John’s College, Oxford, UK : "It is proposed that this is not a battle grave for fresh Vikings newly landed, but Danes who had been settled in Oxford for some years, possibly some of the younger ones may even be second generation . The unusual occurrence of charring of some skeletal elements examined in context with historical documentation points strongly towards these men being the Danish victims of King Aethelred’s decree ordering their extermination in AD 1002, during the event known as the ‘St Brice’s Day Massacre’ "

E_M81_I3A
12-13-2019, 06:50 AM
I3a reported in a sample (4200 BP) from a Late Copper Age Bell Beaker culture cemetery of South Germany :

Kinship and social organization in Copper Age Europe. A cross-disciplinary analysis of archaeology, DNA, isotopes, and anthropology from two Bell Beaker cemeteries, Karl-Göran Sjögren 2019 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/863944v1)

"ALB 16, as said likely coming from across the Danube from the Bayerischer Wald region, yields the rare mitochondrial haplotype I3a and is, in contrast, among the samples with highest Steppe/Corded Ware-related ancestry from both cemeteries"