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08-13-2016, 02:34 PM
Hello. I am of European descent and have haplogroup C2e1b2. This haplogroup so far has only been found in China and Korea. I have no Asian autosomal DNA so I am confused. Does anyone offer any insights?

08-13-2016, 03:11 PM
Alphanumeric names like C2e1b2 are obsolete, because they have meanings that change across time and across sources/vendors/experts. According to last year's ISOGG haplotree (http://isogg.org/tree/2015/ISOGG_HapgrpC15.html), C2e1b2 is marked by CTS3385. Is that your clade? YFull's haplotree lists only one such entry (https://yfull.com/tree/C-CTS3385/), a research sample from Beijing.

Which testing company did you use?

08-13-2016, 03:16 PM
Yes, that's my clade. I did AncestryDNA v2 and I uploaded my raw data to Wegene and they told me that I am Haplogroup C2e1b2. I looked them up and found that the were the same. Yes, I saw the Beijing sample as well on FTDNA, I found a Korean man with the same clade too. Do you have an ideas?

08-13-2016, 05:10 PM
How cool! You might be the direct descendant of a Hun who came west into Europe from East Asia with their ruler Attila in the early Middle Ages. Do you have descent from folks who lived in western Germany? There is an area there called the Hunsrück. Some feel the origin of the name derives from the Huns. There may have been a remnant of Hunnish people who settled in that region possibly. I read this many years ago but don't remember the source. It might be worth checking into.

08-13-2016, 05:16 PM
Interesting. Thank you Grossvater. Would a Hun have the Chinese and Korean subclade though? What's interesting is my direct paternal line goes back to Western Germany so there might be something there...

08-13-2016, 06:26 PM
I think it's present in some native american tribes... maybe you're native american from far back?

08-13-2016, 06:35 PM
I am negative for the P39 Native SNP, and my line goes directly back to Germany there.

08-13-2016, 07:03 PM
Astonishing result! Definitely needs some further testing. Have you considered FTDNA?

08-13-2016, 07:05 PM
Yes, I plan to do it soon! :) Saving up funds for it! :-)

08-13-2016, 07:11 PM
According to Eupedia:

Haplogroup C is a very rare lineage in Europe. The few Europeans who belong C either belong to the European C-V20, the Middle Eastern C-M358, or the Mongolian C3-M217. Haplogroup C3 has also been identified in one Hunnic skeleton from the Iron Age in present-day Mongolia. Its presence in Europe can therefore be linked to the Hunnic and Mongolian invasions, like haplogroup Q1a.

08-13-2016, 07:14 PM
Interesting...I just have yet to find any Europeans who belong to my subclade...

08-13-2016, 07:55 PM
Haplogroup C2e1b2 was identified in one Kurdish sample by Sabitov et al. (2014). The presence of C2a2b-F1756 in Eastern European samples is associated with the migration of the Xiongnu tribes from Central Asia to Europe. C2e1b2 in Europe may also be associated with the migration of nomadic tribes from Central Asia such as the Xiongnu and the Avars.

C2a2b-F1756 are similar to haplotypes from the Xiongnu family in Egin Gol (burials 46, 47, 50, 52, 53, 54) [3]. This fact is most likely associated with the migration of the Xiongnu tribes. In favor of this view a geography of this subclade plays: currently the Kazakh refers to this subclade (214274), the Turk (304254), the Arab (273492), the Pole (N61150 and N67268), Czech (125097) and Manchu (176). Potentially some of the Kazakhs refer to this cluster (at close values of the STR-markers), but they were not tested on the presence of this SNP-marker. Also it must be noted, that the SNP-marker F3830 marks one of the branches of C2a2bF1756. In the version ISOGG of 2014 this SNPmarker is absent.

08-13-2016, 08:42 PM
Hmm. Interesting. Thank you. At this point, I will conclude that it comes from a nomadic group from North-central Asia; maybe Huns, Xiongnu, Mongols, Avars.

08-13-2016, 08:45 PM
Thread moved to the yDNA C subforum with a 1-week expiring redirect.

08-13-2016, 08:49 PM
I didn't see there was a Haplogroup C forum...sorry!

12-31-2018, 03:59 PM
Theres a possibility you have ancestry stemming eventually from the area which is now northern Russia and your ancient ancestors eventually contributed to east Asian ethnicities like the Chinese and Koreans. Fascinating indeed!!

02-07-2021, 05:59 PM
CTS3385, the same haplogroup with you, was found among ancient North Di group of Shengedaliang site, North of Shaanxi province, China, where was not far from the upper Ordos Loop, Inner Mongolia. The original east Hunnic people of Xiongnu probably ethnically linked to the North Di groups in Ordos Loop.

Ning C, et al. Ancient genomes from northern China suggest links between subsistence changes and human migration. Nat Commun. 2020 Jun 1;11(1):2700. doi: 10.1038/s41467-020-16557-2. PMID: 32483115; PMCID: PMC7264253.
North Di group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beidi