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Kurd
08-19-2016, 03:14 AM
A repository of DNA Land Results for the northern Iraqi Kurd samples for easy access:

Kurd C3

http://i.imgur.com/hj28haD.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/NxDym9m.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/YmbVwVK.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/t0pjDPH.png?2

Kurd
08-19-2016, 03:16 AM
KURD C2

http://i.imgur.com/dKxjD5c.png?1

Kurd
08-19-2016, 03:27 AM
KURD C2



http://i.imgur.com/dKxjD5c.png?2

Kurd
08-19-2016, 03:29 AM
KURD C1



http://i.imgur.com/oAwqlvr.png?1

Lupus82
01-14-2018, 11:46 PM
Kurds seem to have Ashkenazi genes. How should we interpret this? Is it a sign of Neolithic ancestry?

Lupus82
01-15-2018, 11:48 AM
My roots are from the province of Dersim. I will message you.

EDIT: Yes, I have had a few Iranian matches on 23andme.

Lupus82
01-15-2018, 01:02 PM
Thanks for posting your results. You have higher South Central Asia than I do. Look at my results. Also post your Dodecad K12, MDLP K23b, Puntnal K13 Global, MDLP World-22, please!


Population
Amerindian 0.14
Arabian 1.62
Armenian 11.98
Basque 0.16
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.82
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.23
East_Med 18.43
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 3.18
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 16.35
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 21.71
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 1.21
South_Central_Asian 12.38
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.58
West_African -
West_Caucasian 9.69
West_Med 0.47

Lupus82
01-15-2018, 01:30 PM
You have higher Gedrosian/South Central Asian and Iranian is your top match before Kurdish. Do you have any recent ancestry from Iran?

Kurd
01-15-2018, 01:37 PM
Kurds seem to have Ashkenazi genes. How should we interpret this? Is it a sign of Neolithic ancestry?

It is Neolithic to BA shared farmer ancestry captured by AJs. BTW did you ever figure out why you share much less SC Asian alleles than other Kurds including the ones from Turkey

Lupus82
01-15-2018, 01:43 PM
It is Neolithic to BA shared farmer ancestry captured by AJs. BTW did you ever figure out why you share much less SC Asian alleles than other Kurds including the ones from Turkey

Actually my average is closer to the Northern Kurd averages. I think we are mixed with various Anatolian ethnicities such as Laz, Arab, Turkmen and Armenian.

Lupus82
01-15-2018, 01:46 PM
I dont know. I got 55 DNA relatives from turkey and 20 from iran. The relatives I have in turkey are turkish or kurds and some are from dersim. One of my iranian relative was a kurd from khorasan. But I also had some relatives from balkan and some of them were probabliy gypsy/roma. So I wonder if it is Roma ancestry that makes my DNA match with iranians or do I have both roma and iranian ancestry.

Are you Alevi?

By the way, I got what you mean by Khorasan. Part of the Khorasani Kurds were loyal Safevid subjects. They accepted to re-settle in Khorasan for the defence of Persia.

There was a thread on Romani/Gypsy ancestry on Autosomal DNA forum.

Magnetic
01-15-2018, 02:33 PM
mori yek what is your homeprovince ? your gedmatch results are interesting and a little atypical for us turkey kurds


Actually my average is closer to the Northern Kurd averages. I think we are mixed with various Anatolian ethnicities such as Laz, Arab, Turkmen and Armenian.

no we arent . rather say we have a lot of native anatolian ancestry that is more accuarate . but we are kurdish

some turkoman and armenian influence/mix here and there is of course normal but armenians in most cases know that they are armenian and armenian admix is not common neither is any other admix in northern provinces . in the south some are admixed with arabs and roma/doms . especially in urfa and surrounding

Kurd
01-15-2018, 05:21 PM
I dont know. I got 55 DNA relatives from turkey and 20 from iran. The relatives I have in turkey are turkish or kurds and some are from dersim. One of my iranian relative was a kurd from khorasan. But I also had some relatives from balkan and some of them were probabliy gypsy/roma. So I wonder if it is Roma ancestry that makes my DNA match with iranians or do I have both roma and iranian ancestry.

All the results you posted so far are perfectly in line with Iraqi Kurds. No non-Kurdish admixture is needed to produce such results

Lupus82
01-15-2018, 09:09 PM
Two of them had number 1. iranian like me. But i am the only one who gets indian/south asian populations as secondary source. may be its just variation in northern kurds?

I think in your case, this indicates that you are much more Iranian plateau shifted than regular Anatolian Kurd. Perhaps you have a recent ancestor from Iran. I know there are marriages between Iranian and Anatolian Kurds. Perhaps your pedigree includes such a a person from Iran.


Lupus82 and Magnetic what do you get in MDLP K16 modern?


Contrary to you, I do not get "Kurd" as the primary population source. Instead, I get Georgian. I, also, have higher amount of North Caucasian score in Eurogenes K36. So it is no coincidence.


MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 50.35
2 Steppe 15.45
3 Indian 12.7
4 Neolithic 10.78
5 NearEast 7.7
6 Oceanic 1.31
7 EastAfrican 0.68
8 Arctic 0.59
9 SouthEastAsian 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd (Syria) 5.87
2 Armenian (Chambarak) 6.28
3 Armenian (Martuni) 6.41
4 Armenian (Dprabak) 6.8
5 Armenian (Yegvard) 6.86
6 Azerbaijani (Azerbaijan) 7.07
7 Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) 7.12
8 Adjar (Adjaria) 7.14
9 Azeri (Azerbaijan) 7.18
10 Armenian (Yerevan) 7.23
11 Assyrian (Turkey) 7.26
12 Georgian (Kakheti) 7.27
13 Armenian (Gavar) 7.32
14 Jew (Uzbekistan) 7.38
15 Armenian (Erzrum) 7.39
16 Azerbaijani_Dagestan (Azerbaijan_Dagestan) 7.41
17 Iran_Lor (Lor) 7.64
18 Assyrian (Iraq) 7.66
19 Jew (Azerbaijan) 7.91
20 Azerbaijani_Dagestan (Azerbaijan_Dagestan) 7.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% Georgian (Kakheti) + 20.8% Roma (Gypsy) @ 3.64
2 58.2% Kurd (Syria) + 41.8% Georgian (Kakheti) @ 3.86
3 87.1% Georgian (Kakheti) + 12.9% Jew (Cochin) @ 3.87
4 55.1% Georgian (Kakheti) + 44.9% Zoroastrian (Iran) @ 3.91
5 51.7% Georgian (Kakheti) + 48.3% Iran_Lor (Lor) @ 4.09
6 62.3% Georgian (Kakheti) + 37.7% Iranian (Kerman) @ 4.13
7 91.7% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.3% Punjabi (Lahore) @ 4.14
8 91.9% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.1% Bengali (Bangladesh_BEB) @ 4.16
9 52.6% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) + 47.4% Iran_Lor (Lor) @ 4.17
10 91.6% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.4% Malayan (Andhra_Pradesh) @ 4.18
11 58.3% Kurd (Syria) + 41.7% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 4.19
12 50.5% Azeri (Azerbaijan) + 49.5% Georgian (Kakheti) @ 4.2
13 90.9% Georgian (Kakheti) + 9.1% Lodi (Pakistan) @ 4.21
14 91.6% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.4% Pulliyar (Kerala) @ 4.21
15 91.3% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.7% Satnami (Uttar_Pradesh) @ 4.22
16 91.6% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.4% North_Kannadi (Kerala) @ 4.22
17 85.6% Georgian (Kakheti) + 14.4% Jew (Mumbai) @ 4.22
18 89.6% Georgian (Kakheti) + 10.4% GujaratiA (Gujarat) @ 4.22
19 91.6% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.4% Hakkipikki (Karnataka) @ 4.23
20 91.4% Georgian (Kakheti) + 8.6% Chenchu (Andhra_Pradesh) @ 4.23

Lupus82
01-15-2018, 09:21 PM
I am more shifted towards Southern Caucasus.... Look at all the Azeri, Georgian, Abhkaz. By the way would you take the K47 calculator? I have sent you the link via PM! If you cannot do it on your own, I can run it for you instead. You can PM now!

Lupus82
01-16-2018, 12:27 PM
You are Iran shifted. It is evident.

alhan
01-18-2018, 02:10 PM
You are Iran shifted. It is evident.

And, here is mine, thanks to Lupus82 for running it.

FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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0.00% Kushitic
2.72% North-Iberian
0.01% East-Iberian
0.01% Tibeto-Burman
1.22% North-African
17.76% South-Caucasian
20.19% North-Caucasian
1.52% Paleo-Balkan
0.00% Turkic-Altai
0.17% Proto-Austronesian
0.00% Nilotic
14.88% East-Med
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Munda
0.00% North-Amerind
7.05% Arabic
0.02% East-Euro
0.00% Central-African_HG
0.00% Andean
0.00% Indo-Chinese
2.49% South-Indian
0.00% NE-Asian
0.00% Volgan
0.00% Mongolian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% North-Sea_Germanic
0.15% Celtic
0.00% West-African
0.00% West-Finnic
0.00% Uralic
0.00% Sahelian
3.86% NW-Indian
0.00% East-African_HG
0.00% East-Asian
0.00% Amuro-Manchurian
0.02% Scando-Germanic
18.31% Iranian
0.00% South-African_HG
0.38% Amazonian
0.00% Baltic
0.00% Malay
0.00% Meso-Amerind
0.00% South-Chinese
0.00% Papuan
2.10% West-Med
5.09% Pamirian
2.06% Central-Med

CPU time = 303.94 sec

CatsRule
08-02-2018, 08:54 PM
Central Indo-European 50%
Central Asian 29% (Indo-Iranian 24%, Kalash 3.1%, Indus Valley 2.5%)
Mediterranean Islander 21%

CatsRule
08-21-2018, 05:25 PM
Where is your ancestry from?

Both of my parents were born in Tehran. However, my grandpa on my father's side was either a Kurd or Azeri. I've been trying to figure this out lately.

Here are my K47 results:

Iranian 25.50%
North Caucasian 20.49%
South Caucasian 17.13%
East Mediterranean 10.22%
Arabic 6.07%
Pamirian 4.80%
Paleo Balkan 3.77%
South Indian 3.58%
Central Mediterranean 2.56%
East Iberian 1.82%
North African 1.26%
North East Asian 0.79%
Baltic 0.69%
West Mediterranean 0.62%
North West Indian 0.34%
Meso Amerind 0.24%
Siberian 0.15%

havik95
08-22-2018, 06:56 PM
Can someone please contact me and run my data with the K47? I'm an Iraqi Kurd

havik95
08-23-2018, 12:50 PM
Here are some of my gedmatch results as well:


Eurogenes K13

1West_Asian 42.38
2 East_Med 23.81
3 South_Asian 8.82
4 West_Med 5.83
5 North_Atlantic 5.17
6 Baltic 4.90
7 Red_Sea 4.30
8 Sub-Saharan 1.38
9 Oceanian 1.25


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15
1West_Asian 38.31
2 East_Med 26.15
3 South_Asian 9.70
4 Eastern_Euro 9.29
5 North_Sea 5.02
6 Red_Sea 3.89
7 Atlantic 1.83
8 West_Med 1.68
9 Sub-Saharan 1.33

MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Caucasian 36.64
2 South_Central_Asian 29.33
3 Near_East 9.77
4 European_Early_Farmers 5.71
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.59
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.44
7 South_Indian 3.25
8 North_African 2.42
9 Subsaharian 1.29

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

1 Caucasus 36.49
2 Gedrosia 28.27
3 Southwest_Asian 12.03
4 North_European 9.74
5 Atlantic_Med 5.91
6 South_Asian 4.38
7 Northwest_African 1.42
8 Siberian 1.05

puntDNAL K13 Global 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 West_Asia 44.84
2 SW_Europe 18.78
3 SW_Asia 13.57
4 NE_Europe 9.46
5 South_Asia 7.50
6 Siberia1.30
7 West_Africa 1.05
8 East_Africa 1.02

StarDS9
08-25-2018, 10:35 PM
Thanks for your results. Your results seem to be in line with Kurds and Iranians, based on your result I am guessing you are Sorani Kurd? You seem to have slightly higher North European score in some calculators compared to other Kurds and Iranians.

Helves
08-25-2018, 10:59 PM
Here are some of my gedmatch results as well:

Eurogenes K13

1West_Asian 42.38
2 East_Med 23.81
3 South_Asian 8.82
4 West_Med 5.83
5 North_Atlantic 5.17
6 Baltic 4.90
7 Red_Sea 4.30
8 Sub-Saharan 1.38
9 Oceanian 1.25


This must be one of the lowest "East Med" I've seen a Kurd score. What raw data are you using? 23andme v5?

havik95
08-26-2018, 03:55 PM
Thanks for your results. Your results seem to be in line with Kurds and Iranians, based on your result I am guessing you are Sorani Kurd? You seem to have slightly higher North European score in some calculators compared to other Kurds and Iranians.

You're welcome. Nice guess, I'm indeed a Sorani Kurd :).

havik95
08-26-2018, 03:56 PM
This must be one of the lowest "East Med" I've seen a Kurd score. What raw data are you using? 23andme v5?

It's from Myheritage DNA. Maybe that's why?

Helves
08-26-2018, 05:24 PM
It's from Myheritage DNA. Maybe that's why?

MyHeritage raw data works fine on Gedmatch, I don't think that's it. But that's really interesting you score 5-6% under the Kurdish average. Instead you score a bit more West Asian and North Euro.
Are you from the Arbil area? Or are Arbil Kurds not Sorani speakers?

StarDS9
08-26-2018, 05:50 PM
MyHeritage raw data works fine on Gedmatch, I don't think that's it. But that's really interesting you score 5-6% under the Kurdish average. Instead you score a bit more West Asian and North Euro.
Are you from the Arbil area? Or are Arbil Kurds not Sorani speakers?

Might be a Kurd who's family were from Kurdistan Provence Iran, as kurds there might have lower med compared to kurds from west, central and north

Helves
08-26-2018, 06:01 PM
Might be a Kurd who's family were from Kurdistan Provence Iran, as kurds there might have lower med compared to kurds from west, central and north

That's even lower than the Iranian average though.

StarDS9
08-26-2018, 06:14 PM
That's even lower than the Iranian average though.
Might be just her results as she also has higher Northern Euro, as I have seen a Sorani Kurd from Iran also having that.

Magnetic
08-27-2018, 09:26 PM
mine : I am Kurd from Dersim

http://up.picr.de/32099843if.jpg

havik95
08-29-2018, 09:08 PM
MyHeritage raw data works fine on Gedmatch, I don't think that's it. But that's really interesting you score 5-6% under the Kurdish average. Instead you score a bit more West Asian and North Euro.
Are you from the Arbil area? Or are Arbil Kurds not Sorani speakers?

I am from Sulaimaniya, but Arbil Kurds are also Sorani speakers.

havik95
08-29-2018, 09:10 PM
Might be a Kurd who's family were from Kurdistan Provence Iran, as kurds there might have lower med compared to kurds from west, central and north

This makes sense. My dad keeps saying that we originally are from the Iranian parts of Kurdistan (Baneh).

Magnetic
09-10-2018, 05:41 PM
I don't know why the iranian sample score that high "east med", but it is not representative for all iranians. Most of the iranians I have seen score lower numbers. also iranians around the caspian sea have very low "east med", like this sample:



1
West_Asian
47.12


2
East_Med
20.1


3
South_Asian
11.73


4
Baltic
6.92


5
Red_Sea
6.09


6
West_Med
2.83


7
Siberian
2.8


8
Sub-Saharan
0.85


9
East_Asian
0.57


10
Northeast_African
0.57


11
Amerindian
0.42



Compared to me:


1
West_Asian
40.98


2
East_Med
25.83


3
South_Asian
9.44


4
West_Med
6.71


5
Red_Sea
6.1


6
Baltic
3.98


7
North_Atlantic
3.58


8
Amerindian
1.49


9
Sub-Saharan
0.81


10
Oceanian
0.44


11
Siberian
0.41


12
Northeast_African
0.23



I have noticed among kurds, most of the time higher east-med + higher west-med is correlated with lower south-asia (and lower east-euro/north-euro in other calculators)
Most likely due to assyrian-armenian type of admixture, like the kurds in global 25 spreadsheet or this sample:

(a kurd from dersim)(similar to lupus82 and other some other users)


1
West_Asian
37.24


2
East_Med
32.03


3
West_Med
8.82


4
South_Asian
7.53


5
Baltic
6.41


6
Red_Sea
4.67


7
Siberian
1.55


8
North_Atlantic
0.78


9
Sub-Saharan
0.45


10
Oceanian
0.32


11
Amerindian
0.21



__________


puntDNAL K13 Global 4-Ancestors Oracle

Havik95
1 West_Asia 44.84
2 SW_Europe 18.78
3 SW_Asia 13.57
4 NE_Europe 9.46
5 South_Asia 7.50
6 Siberia1.30
7 West_Africa 1.05
8 East_Africa 1.02

Me:


1

West_Asia
44.14


2

SW_Europe

18.92


3
SW_Asia
14.69


4
NE_Europe
9.90


5
South_Asia
6.87



6
Americas
1.52


7
West_Africa
1.39


8
Siberia
1.39


9
Oceania
1.02




the kurd from dersim:


1

West_Asia
43.99


2

SW_Europe
23.71


3

SW_Asia

15.11



4
NE_Europe
6.8



5
South_Asia
5.05



6
Siberia
1.58


7
SE_Asia
1.18


8
Americas
0.84


9
South_Africa
0.83


10
Oceania
0.73


11
West_Africa
0.18



Notice, the kurd from dersim has more SW europe and SW asia and less NE europe and and south asia.

Mine


1 West_Asian 36.06
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.27
4 South_Asian 6.84
5 Red_Sea 6.06
6 North_Atlantic 4.67
7 Baltic 2.74
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Siberian 1.29
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.82