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sktibo
09-17-2016, 12:05 AM
Hello all,

I would like to compile a thread that catalogues Eurogenes admixture results for "pure bred" people in Britain and Ireland. I'm requesting either a gedmatch number or Eurogenes EUtest, k13, and k15 results. I think this would be a fun thread for members of the forum to refer to so that they can see the difference (in gedmatch terms) of the different populations of Britain and Ireland. If people are comfortable with it and think it is a good idea, I think it would be very cool to eventually include people from other areas as well. Please let me know if you are willing to let me use your gedmatch info and you want to participate.

Thank you very much

Stephen1986
09-17-2016, 12:38 AM
The Gedmatch numbers for myself and my brother (23andMe data used) respectively are M050828 and M072040, neither of us mind giving these numbers publicly. Our ancestry is c76% English (which may include some other non-English ancestry but that isn't known), c13% Irish (via various branches of varying distances), c1% Welsh and the rest unknown with an unknown percentage of Scottish.

firemonkey
09-17-2016, 01:43 AM
My known ancestry is 50% English 31% Scottish and 19% Irish. My Gedmatch numbers are T113527 M812599 and A050067 .

A Norfolk L-M20
09-17-2016, 10:05 AM
I can provide samples from the Eastern side (East Anglia, Eastern English).

M551698 alternatively T444495 (former 23andMe, latter FTDNA)

My ancestry. I'm an East Anglian living in Norfolk, England - residing only 400 yards from where my Generation 7 mtDNA grandmother married in 1818 . I have a fairly extensive family tree, which includes 207 direct ancestors, all SE English. The majority lived in Norfolk, but some lines (including my Y line) from Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Lincolnshire, and Suffolk. Seven out of eight of my great grandparents were Norfolk born. 100% record at Generation 5. All appear English surnames and religious denominations. It might be worth explaining that my recorded ancestors over the past 380 years were mainly very rural working class. They were not the mercantile or bourgeois classes that moved longer distances frequently, or often migrated (although one great great great grandfather received a mandatory boarding pass to Tasmania). Just your plain, rural English that descended from local peasantry.

Then I have:

M786040

My mother. She has 123 recorded direct ancestors, each and everyone of them lived here in East Anglia, particularly clustered up in East Norfolk near the River Yare. She makes an excellent sample for Norfolk, East Anglia. Right on the front line of early medieval North Sea migration.

sktibo
09-17-2016, 11:00 AM
I can provide samples from the Eastern side (East Anglia, Eastern English).

M551698 alternatively T444495 (former 23andMe, latter FTDNA)

My ancestry. I'm an East Anglian living in Norfolk, England - residing only 400 yards from where my Generation 7 mtDNA grandmother married in 1818 . I have a fairly extensive family tree, which includes 207 direct ancestors, all SE English. The majority lived in Norfolk, but some lines (including my Y line) from Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Lincolnshire, and Suffolk. Seven out of eight of my great grandparents were Norfolk born. 100% record at Generation 5. All appear English surnames and religious denominations. It might be worth explaining that my recorded ancestors over the past 380 years were mainly very rural working class. They were not the mercantile or bourgeois classes that moved longer distances frequently, or often migrated (although one great great great grandfather received a mandatory boarding pass to Tasmania). Just your plain, rural English that descended from local peasantry.

Then I have:

M786040

My mother. She has 123 recorded direct ancestors, each and everyone of them lived here in East Anglia, particularly clustered up in East Norfolk near the River Yare. She makes an excellent sample for Norfolk, East Anglia. Right on the front line of early medieval North Sea migration.

Absolutely fantastic, I was actually hoping you would notice this thread. Thank you for allowing this.

A Norfolk L-M20
09-19-2016, 07:47 PM
No problem. I'm pretty sure that there must be other Irish or British board members, with known fairly localised ancestry here that can contribute GEDMATCH numbers.

L1983
09-19-2016, 08:38 PM
Hiya I'm English with an Irish great grandmother, but the ethnicity of my maternal great grandmother is still up for debate, so not sure if that skews my results at all?

Edit: gedmatch numbers deleted as been up long enough for anyone who was interested. :)

FredBats
10-29-2016, 10:42 PM
Hello all,

I would like to compile a thread that catalogues Eurogenes admixture results for "pure bred" people in Britain and Ireland. I'm requesting either a gedmatch number or Eurogenes EUtest, k13, and k15 results. Thank you very much

You asked for pure breds so I'll just post if you don't mind.

K13 - Liverpudlian x Somerset region ancestry. Grandma, mum's mother. Her mother's father is old rather affluent Scot. I said on another post couldn't understand the southeast English but forgot that the Somerset is Canterbury originated.
1 North_Atlantic 55.80
2 Baltic 22.56
3 West_Med 12.18
4 East_Med 6.97
5 West_Asian 2.49

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 6.404736
2 West_Scottish @ 6.894023
3 Southwest_English @ 7.042993
4 Orcadian @ 7.274567
5 Irish @ 7.966732
6 North_Dutch @ 8.534344
7 Danish @ 8.830537
8 Norwegian @ 10.111301
9 North_German @ 11.548450
10 South_Dutch @ 12.454658

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 6.202082

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 6.185998

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.185998
2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.202082
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.291972
4 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.391117
5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.400607
6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.404736
7 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.416444
8 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.445946
9 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.463030
10 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.495893
Mixed
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.9% Southeast_English + 38.1% West_Scottish @ 5.39
2 85.1% Southeast_English + 14.9% Southwest_English @ 5.6
3 95.3% Southeast_English + 4.7% Irish @ 5.61
4 97.4% Southeast_English + 2.6% Orcadian @ 5.62
5 100% Southeast_English + 0% Norwegian @ 5.62
6 100% Southeast_English + 0% Abhkasian @ 5.62
7 100% Southeast_English + 0% Adygei @ 5.62
8 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.62
9 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.62
10 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.62
11 100% Southeast_English + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.62
12 100% Southeast_English + 0% Algerian @ 5.62
13 100% Southeast_English + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.62
14 100% Southeast_English + 0% Altaian @ 5.62
15 100% Southeast_English + 0% Armenian @ 5.62
16 100% Southeast_English + 0% Ashkenazi @ 5.62
17 100% Southeast_English + 0% Assyrian @ 5.62
18 100% Southeast_English + 0% Austrian @ 5.62
19 100% Southeast_English + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 5.62
20 100% Southeast_English + 0% Azeri @ 5.62


k15 - same woman
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.89
2 Atlantic 32.78
3 Baltic 10.01
4 West_Med 7.84
5 Eastern_Euro 7.23
6 East_Med 4.26

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 5.457835
2 Irish @ 5.567333
3 Southeast_English @ 5.589218
4 Orcadian @ 6.953761
5 Southwest_English @ 7.270285
6 Danish @ 7.890871
7 North_Dutch @ 8.042401
8 North_German @ 10.253114
9 West_Norwegian @ 11.512930
10 South_Dutch @ 11.776781

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 5.278566

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 5.278566

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.278566
2 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.304932
3 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.322690
4 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.323412
5 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.365478
6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.379745
7 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.392426
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 5.434915
9 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.444201
10 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.444942

The Irish is pretty self explainatory I hope. Irish Liverpudlian. I did, after all, last weekend have a good laugh with an older Irish woman when I informed her how my grandmother's mother [herself British born] always insisted that tea wasn't tea unless the spoon was standing up. As she verified that's an Irish mickey on the rather weak tea you'll sometimes get in England.

Mixed
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% West_Scottish + 6.5% French_Basque @ 4.31
2 93% West_Scottish + 7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.35
3 93.3% West_Scottish + 6.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.39
4 93% West_Scottish + 7% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.4
5 92.8% West_Scottish + 7.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.44
6 94% West_Scottish + 6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.45
7 93.4% West_Scottish + 6.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.45
8 94.1% West_Scottish + 5.9% Southwest_French @ 4.47
9 94% West_Scottish + 6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.48
10 94.8% West_Scottish + 5.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.48
11 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.5
12 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Portuguese @ 4.51
13 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Sardinian @ 4.51
14 57% West_Scottish + 43% Southeast_English @ 4.52
15 95% West_Scottish + 5% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.56
16 96.7% West_Scottish + 3.3% North_Italian @ 4.6
17 50.8% Irish + 49.2% Southeast_English @ 4.62
18 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.63
19 95.7% Irish + 4.3% French_Basque @ 4.63
20 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.64




Grandpa - northern Brit / Scot. Give or take a little for accuracy his family has been in the same geographical region, both paternally & maternally, for oh a long, long time.

North_Atlantic 77.44
Baltic 22.56

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.893003
2 Irish @ 2.922424
3 Orcadian @ 3.367290
4 Norwegian @ 5.668932
5 Southwest_English @ 6.167591
6 North_Dutch @ 6.214083
7 Danish @ 6.419750
8 Southeast_English @ 7.121321
9 Swedish @ 8.039593
10 North_German @ 10.440533
11 North_Swedish @ 12.769054
12 South_Dutch @ 13.703354
13 West_German @ 14.952885
14 French @ 15.960205
15 East_German @ 16.670055

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.893003

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.893003

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.893003
2 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.140629
3 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.146341
4 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.326265
5 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.401321
6 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.403467
7 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.420912
8 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.436125
9 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.450876
10 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.469475

mixed
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 100% West_Scottish + 0% Abhkasian @ 2.39
2 100% West_Scottish + 0% Adygei @ 2.39
3 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.39
4 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.39
5 100% West_Scottish + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.39
6 100% West_Scottish + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 2.39
7 100% West_Scottish + 0% Algerian @ 2.39
8 100% West_Scottish + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.39
9 100% West_Scottish + 0% Altaian @ 2.39
10 100% West_Scottish + 0% Armenian @ 2.39
11 100% West_Scottish + 0% Ashkenazi @ 2.39
12 100% West_Scottish + 0% Assyrian @ 2.39
13 100% West_Scottish + 0% Austrian @ 2.39
14 100% West_Scottish + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 2.39
15 100% West_Scottish + 0% Azeri @ 2.39
16 100% West_Scottish + 0% Balkar @ 2.39
17 100% West_Scottish + 0% Balochi @ 2.39
18 100% West_Scottish + 0% Bangladeshi @ 2.39
19 100% West_Scottish + 0% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.39
20 100% West_Scottish + 0% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.39


k15 - I kid you not with these results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 98.62
2 Atlantic 1.38

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Norwegian @ 3.150997
2 Norwegian @ 5.656815
3 Swedish @ 6.060585
4 Orcadian @ 6.745979
5 North_Dutch @ 8.416214
6 North_Swedish @ 8.808983
7 West_Scottish @ 9.607597
8 Danish @ 9.628387
9 West_German @ 10.421661
10 Irish @ 10.598114
11 Southeast_English @ 71.101486
12 Southwest_English @ 71.265938
13 North_German @ 72.986412
14 South_Dutch @ 75.739044
15 Finnish @ 76.984810
16 Southwest_Finnish @ 77.321724
17 French @ 77.361542
18 East_German @ 78.997910
19 Hungarian @ 80.932327
20 East_Finnish @ 81.818222

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Norwegian +50% West_Norwegian @ 3.150997

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 3.150997

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.150997
2 Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.771866
3 Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.854134
4 Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.986954
5 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.396339
6 North_Dutch + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.453094
7 Norwegian + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.481239
8 North_Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.485306
9 Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.573845
10 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.598785


Mixed

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Abhkasian @ 3.88
2 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Adygei @ 3.88
3 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.88
4 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.88
5 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.88
6 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.88
7 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.88
8 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Algerian @ 3.88
9 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.88
10 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Altaian @ 3.88
11 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Anzick-1 @ 3.88
12 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Armenian @ 3.88
13 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 3.88
14 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Assyrian @ 3.88
15 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Austrian @ 3.88
16 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 3.88
17 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Azeri @ 3.88
18 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Balkar @ 3.88
19 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Balochi @ 3.88
20 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 3.88



I'll have to ask around to relatives, see who'd be willing to share, but I can probably get you some old Scots & Irish as a comparable to north & mid / south England

firemonkey
10-29-2016, 11:17 PM
My father known ancestry is English T 934034

K13

Mixed


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.39
2 Baltic 23.28
3 West_Med 12.89
4 West_Asian 5.51
5 East_Med 3.81
6 Red_Sea 1.65
7 Siberian 0.89
8 Oceanian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 2.38
2 Southeast_English 2.76
3 West_Scottish 2.85
4 Southwest_English 2.88
5 Irish 3.03
6 North_Dutch 3.65
7 Danish 4.45
8 Norwegian 5.96
9 North_German 6.06
10 South_Dutch 7.26
11 Swedish 8.48
12 West_German 8.62
13 French 12.41
14 Austrian 14.32
15 North_Swedish 14.5
16 East_German 14.86
17 Hungarian 19.01
18 Spanish_Cataluna 19.45
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 20.53
20 Southwest_French 20.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.6% West_Scottish + 25.4% South_Dutch @ 1.53
2 94.8% West_Scottish + 5.2% Ashkenazi @ 1.58
3 78.4% West_Scottish + 21.6% West_German @ 1.64
4 93.1% West_Scottish + 6.9% Tuscan @ 1.64
5 95.3% West_Scottish + 4.7% Italian_Jewish @ 1.65
6 93.8% West_Scottish + 6.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.65
7 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.65
8 94.7% West_Scottish + 5.3% East_Sicilian @ 1.66
9 94.6% West_Scottish + 5.4% Central_Greek @ 1.67
10 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.67
11 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% West_Sicilian @ 1.67
12 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.68
13 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Samaritan @ 1.68
14 58.1% Southwest_English + 41.9% North_Dutch @ 1.68
15 96.8% West_Scottish + 3.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.68
16 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.7
17 92.9% West_Scottish + 7.1% Bulgarian @ 1.7
18 94.1% West_Scottish + 5.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.7
19 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% Cyprian @ 1.7
20 91.3% West_Scottish + 8.7% Serbian @ 1.71


Oracle4
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 1.933735


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 1.933735


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.836784
2 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.919095
3 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.933735
4 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 1.965973
5 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.004037
6 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.014085
7 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.035935
8 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.047062
9 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.047155
10 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.048977
11 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.066592
12 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.074769
13 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.093337
14 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.095053
15 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.096501
16 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.103052
17 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.118886
18 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.128095
19 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.130492
20 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.135474


K15

Mixed

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.42
2 Atlantic 29.57
3 Baltic 10.8
4 West_Med 9.27
5 Eastern_Euro 6.54
6 West_Asian 4.58
7 Red_Sea 1.37
8 East_Med 0.83
9 Siberian 0.47
10 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.94
2 Southwest_English 3.05
3 Irish 3.12
4 West_Scottish 3.67
5 North_Dutch 4.36
6 Orcadian 4.38
7 Danish 5.34
8 North_German 6.06
9 South_Dutch 7.35
10 Norwegian 8.43
11 West_German 8.67
12 West_Norwegian 8.67
13 Swedish 9.56
14 French 11.03
15 North_Swedish 12.85
16 East_German 13.87
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.33
18 Austrian 17.85
19 Spanish_Cataluna 18.39
20 Hungarian 18.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.1% Southwest_English + 48.9% Irish @ 2.13
2 59.3% Southwest_English + 40.7% West_Scottish @ 2.35
3 66.9% Southwest_English + 33.1% North_Dutch @ 2.48
4 85.2% Irish + 14.8% French @ 2.5
5 67.4% Southwest_English + 32.6% Orcadian @ 2.5
6 91% Irish + 9% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.52
7 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Sardinian @ 2.52
8 88.3% North_Dutch + 11.7% French_Basque @ 2.54
9 92.2% Irish + 7.8% Portuguese @ 2.63
10 92.4% Irish + 7.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.68
11 92.9% Irish + 7.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.68
12 84% Irish + 16% West_German @ 2.69
13 93% Irish + 7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.7
14 81.2% West_Scottish + 18.8% French @ 2.71
15 92.2% Irish + 7.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.71
16 94.1% Irish + 5.9% North_Italian @ 2.71
17 55.5% Southeast_English + 44.5% Southwest_English @ 2.72
18 88.4% West_Scottish + 11.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.75
19 95.1% West_Scottish + 4.9% Sardinian @ 2.75
20 58.7% Southeast_English + 41.3% Irish @ 2.75


Oracle 4

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.407564


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 2.407564


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.407564
2 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.457956
3 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.531840
4 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.556333
5 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.672271
6 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.696665
7 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.704868
8 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.705406
9 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.707074
10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.720165
11 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.722464
12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.729608
13 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.730817
14 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.763653
15 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.771142
16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.778408
17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.799910
18 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.816885
19 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.820291
20 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.826402



Dodecad v3

Mixed

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 54.75
2 Mediterranean 24.74
3 East_European 10.59
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 Southwest_Asian 1.19
6 Northeast_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 1.84
2 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 2.11
3 Orcadian (HGDP) 2.2
4 N._European (Xing) 2.42
5 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 2.48
6 German (Dodecad) 6.77
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.02
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.27
9 Kent (1000 Genomes) 10.35
10 French (HGDP) 10.68
11 French (Dodecad) 11.2
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 12.05
13 British (Dodecad) 12.28
14 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 12.87
15 Irish (Dodecad) 14.96
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 14.97
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.71
18 Slovenian (Xing) 17.19
19 Hungarians (Behar) 21.45
20 French_Basque (HGDP) 22.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 27.4% Balkans (Dodecad) @ 0.71
2 96.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.72
3 96.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.78
4 96.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.6% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.8
5 96.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.1% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.81
6 96.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.81
7 96.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.82
8 96.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.83
9 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.84
10 96.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.84
11 96.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.5% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 0.86
12 97% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 0.87
13 96.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.88
14 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.9
15 96.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.9
16 96.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
17 96.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
18 96% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.93
19 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 0.93
20 96.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.7% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.95


Oracle 4

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU +50% Argyll @ 1.595132


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% Orcadian +25% Slovenian @ 1.175266


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balkans + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 0.809111
2 Balkans + Irish + Irish + Orkney @ 0.887875
3 Balkans + British_Isles + British_Isles + Dutch @ 0.950407
4 Balkans + British_Isles + British_Isles + Mixed_Germanic @ 0.953217
5 CEU + Dutch + Kent + Slovenian @ 0.981743
6 Balkans + Cornwall + Irish + Orkney @ 1.020348
7 Balkans + British_Isles + Kent + Kent @ 1.030203
8 Balkans + British_Isles + British_Isles + Kent @ 1.033918
9 Balkans + Cornwall + Irish + Orcadian @ 1.068517
10 CEU + Kent + Mixed_Germanic + Slovenian @ 1.104962
11 Balkans + CEU + Irish + Irish @ 1.113880
12 Balkans + Dutch + Irish + Kent @ 1.129007
13 Balkans + British + British_Isles + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.139244
14 CEU + Dutch + Dutch + Slovenian @ 1.140488
15 Balkans + British + British_Isles + Dutch @ 1.147108
16 Balkans + Irish + Irish + Argyll @ 1.149282
17 Balkans + British_Isles + Dutch + Kent @ 1.175028
18 Dutch + Dutch + Orcadian + Slovenian @ 1.175266
19 Balkans + Irish + Kent + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.194706
20 CEU + Kent + Kent + Slovenian @ 1.201009

Done.

FredBats
10-30-2016, 12:23 AM
All appear English surnames and religious denominations.

Question what's an "English" religious denomination?

AnnieD
10-30-2016, 04:08 AM
My father known ancestry is English T 934034

Do you mind to share if there is any genetic rationale for your use of FTDNA kit results vs. 23andMe? Just curious if you've detected a difference in Gedmatch results between the commercial calculators.

A Norfolk L-M20
10-30-2016, 07:37 AM
Question what's an "English" religious denomination?

I'm simply saying no sign of recent immigration as suggested by an unusual religious status for the region. Eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the "norm" for the region and social class being Anglican, Methodist, or Baptist. On the other hand, Roman Catholicism, Islam, or Judaism for example could be taken as evidence of recent immigration into the region at that point of history.

JohnHowellsTyrfro
10-30-2016, 08:57 AM
I think you have my info already Skitbo, which you are welcome to use. Mine are almost entirely Welsh borders folk which I've decided to label as "Cambro Saxons" :)
If you need anything else, just let me know. John

FredBats
10-30-2016, 09:24 AM
I'm simply saying no sign of recent immigration as suggested by an unusual religious status for the region. Eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the "norm" for the region and social class being Anglican, Methodist, or Baptist. On the other hand, Roman Catholicism, Islam, or Judaism for example could be taken as evidence of recent immigration into the region at that point of history.

Methodist - 1700s, Baptist - 1600s of course both influenced by Protestant and by extension Huguenot arrivals.

Islam - 1000s & 1500s.
Judaism - 1000s & 1600s many like to believe Jews didn't exist after 1200s but that's a fairy tale seeing as some like Jacob Barnet were still there before the 1670s resettlement era
Roman Catholicism - 800s, 1100s, and 1500s
Anglican - may have been there for a while but it really only separated properly in the 1500s.


You'll have to forgive if I don't see any English religious denomination. I mean someone could so easily have run to the Anglican church on whatever day with their neighbors like a "good person" and behind closed doors practiced Judaism. After all, the Domus Conversorum kept Jewish "converts" but in reality that doesn't mean much of anything for in the venture of survival one does what one must do and if that means saying "spare me I'm a convert" then so be it.

A Norfolk L-M20
10-30-2016, 09:37 AM
Yes, but forgive me, I'm simply suggesting that if any of my ancestors in the 18th and 19th centuries had been recorded as Jewish, Roman Catholic, etc. That could be suggestive evidence of recent immigration. I don't see any of that evidence. That's all. I'm not trying to play for some sort of purity or bigotry. I'm not trying to prove anything. Just stating that I have not yet found any evidence of recent of immigration in my documented family tree.

Edit
In addition, even if it matters, I think it's a stretch to link British Methodism to Huguenot immigrations. As for early Baptists, sure there were some early kinks to the Netherlands. The first Baptist church was launched in the Netherlands by an Englishman. But again, not really a link of being founded in Britain by recent immigrants.

By the way, it wasn't just the Huguenots that immigrated here. There was for an example, a significant immigration of the "Strangers" into Norwich much earlier, representing earlier but more local to me, immigration of Protestant refugees from the Low Countries.

Many English families today have recent Irish ancestry in their trees, often represented for example by Roman Catholicism in their family. Southern European again, might be indicated by Catholicism. They wouldn't have needed to hide it the past two hundred years at all. Equally with Judaism, etc.

So when I say, that I have only English denominations in my tree, I feel that I'm simply saying this as additional evidence supporting that I have no record of anything but English ancestry. I'm not saying that I don't have immigration hidden somewhere, or that it proves anything.

firemonkey
10-30-2016, 09:54 AM
Do you mind to share if there is any genetic rationale for your use of FTDNA kit results vs. 23andMe? Just curious if you've detected a difference in Gedmatch results between the commercial calculators.

I have used FTDNA,Ancestry, and 23andMe. I think there can be differences in the Gedmatch results but not major ones.

With my father I got him to test FTDNA because of the matches and because of the fact it's a swab test . I wasn't sure how he would cope at nearly 86, at the time, with spitting into a tube. There was no genetic rationale behind persuading him to use FTDNA.


I think each company has something to offer while lacking something the others provide. An ideal would be a combination of all three. With my father I was disappointed with his My origins results which gave him 14% South European. That having been said he gets several Italian as secondary populations in mixed mode using Gedmatch.

jdean
10-30-2016, 11:15 AM
Mother 90% Welsh, 10% English > T415626
Father 10% Welsh, 90% English > T312562

firemonkey
10-30-2016, 11:53 PM
Mother 90% Welsh, 10% English > T415626
Father 10% Welsh, 90% English > T312562


Comparing Kit T113527 (Timothy James Gatty) and T415626

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 5.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
8 41,660,206 54,061,187 5.5 1,256
Largest segment = 5.5 cM
Total of segments > 5 cM = 5.5 cM
1 matching segments


Comparing Kit T113527 (Timothy James Gatty) and T312562
Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 7.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
14 30,421,536 32,931,003 7.6 720
Largest segment = 7.6 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 7.6 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.4

A Norfolk L-M20
10-31-2016, 02:18 PM
Comparing 23andMe V4 kit raw file to FT-DNA raw file.

Both for myself.

Using GEDmatch DNA file diagnostic utility

Kit M551698 (23andMe V4)

Token File data:
Chr Token SNP Count
1 40974
2 42110
3 34199
4 31020
5 30421
6 36383
7 26352
8 27900
9 23644
10 27888
11 25363
12 25395
13 19880
14 15957
15 15529
16 16551
17 13745
18 16775
19 9006
20 13530
21 7324
22 7386
X 15359

Processed in batch 5355
Number of SNPs utilized by GEDmatch template = 523997
Number of regular SNPs = 517780
Heterozygosity index = 0.302721 (fraction of total SNPs that are heterozygous)

No-calls = 4911 = 0.93956084952678 percent.

Kit M551698 has approximately 19959 total matches with other kits. Of these matches there are 4982 >= 7cM and 14977 < 7cM.


Kit T444495 (FT-DNA file):

Chr Token SNP Count
1 57931
2 59602
3 47094
4 41772
5 39314
6 47546
7 36567
8 36753
9 30643
10 36889
11 35941
12 35850
13 26763
14 22650
15 20899
16 21935
17 18379
18 22586
19 12773
20 19587
21 10001
22 9750
X 19176

Processed in batch 5914
Number of SNPs utilized by GEDmatch template = 709242
Number of regular SNPs = 694324
Heterozygosity index = 0.281384 (fraction of total SNPs that are heterozygous)

No-calls = 16077 = 2.263088030563 percent.

Kit T444495 has approximately 48755 total matches with other kits. Of these matches there are 9351 >= 7cM and 39404 < 7cM.

A Norfolk L-M20
10-31-2016, 02:23 PM
On Eurogenes K13 Oracle, my 23andMe kit gets as top ten closest GD's:

1 South_Dutch 3.89
2 Southeast_English 4.35
3 West_German 5.22
4 Southwest_English 6.24
5 Orcadian 6.97
6 French 7.63
7 North_Dutch 7.76
8 Danish 7.95
9 North_German 8.17
10 Irish 8.22

On the same, using my FT-DNA kit (with many more SNPs tested as demonstrated above:

1 Southeast_English 3.75
2 South_Dutch 4.03
3 West_German 5.42
4 Southwest_English 5.68
5 Orcadian 6.33
6 North_Dutch 7.15
7 Danish 7.36
8 Irish 7.59
9 West_Scottish 7.62
10 North_German 7.7

10-31-2016, 03:20 PM
Hey sktibo, think you already have my kit number, and yes your welcome to use it.

Judith
11-05-2016, 07:15 PM
Hi my mums gedmatch no is t212910 and she is 50% South Derbyshire 25% Burton on Trent 12% Shropshire and Worcestershire and 12% Cheshire. Mine is m730002 and I am as below.
Eurogenes give strange predictions like Orcadian and South East England, South west England which would would have caused my dad grief. He was emphatic that he was Northern English, 100% Cheshire, and did not know that he had a little Scottish.
I was surprised to find as much match as 4.7cM and 340 SNPs with Norfolk, (between our mothers) which demonstrates getting the thresholds right for a real match!
I hope it helps you to improve predictions!

CannabisErectusHibernius
11-20-2016, 02:12 AM
Howdy, Irish american of Mayo extraction on both sides. Father emigrated to US as did my mothers parents. Consistently been getting 3 to 5 percent south asian across calculators, but im still a noob and its probably noise. Here is my kit z583411, knock yourself out :)

Calas
01-31-2017, 11:40 PM
Mine is a private kit & apologize in advance. I can quite literally blame relatives for this little fact seeing as dad did happen to drop out of high school to join his cousin as a session musician until his 20s. One [dad] went on to gain his PhD & the other became a known guitarist. Well, in a way, he may not be overly famous but he is still one that most remember/know of either through his own work or who he's worked with. If you're wondering what's the issue, try surnames on for size.

But if there's anything else you or others want, just ask.

Now as A Norfolk L-M20 mentioned it elsewhere my ancestry is quite different than theirs. What having been urban & bourgeoisie. To the early 1600s. I have ancestry from all over England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. The generic regions would be northwestern Wales, western/highlands Scotland, northern / mid Ireland, and southern English. No obvious non-British ancestry.

K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.30
2 North_Sea 33.45
3 West_Med 9.25
4 Eastern_Euro 7.91
5 Baltic 7.39
6 West_Asian 4.82
7 East_Med 1.79
8 Southeast_Asian 1.09

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 5.929035
2 Southwest_English @ 6.647080
3 Irish @ 6.769068
4 West_Scottish @ 7.169946
5 Orcadian @ 8.744016
6 Danish @ 9.644057
7 South_Dutch @ 9.658177
8 North_German @ 10.014694
9 North_Dutch @ 10.228362
10 French @ 13.102540
11 West_German @ 13.866445
12 Norwegian @ 14.920676
13 West_Norwegian @ 15.246689
14 Swedish @ 16.473503
15 East_German @ 18.783976
16 North_Swedish @ 18.988117
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.401070
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.763067
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.185505
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.427137

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 5.929035

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 4.095163

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.718355
2 French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.721640
3 Danish + West_Scottish + Irish+ Orcadian @ 3.774484
4 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.789561
5 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 3.829794
6 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.876354
7 French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.932305
8 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 3.933484
9 Danish + West_Scottish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.945751
10 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.948176
11 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.979076
12 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 4.023670
13 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.035104
14 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.065264
15 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 4.082061
16 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 4.095163
17 French_Basque + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 4.101661
18 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.111936
19 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.128650
20 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 4.141764

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.05
2 North_Sea 33.2
3 West_Med 9.18
4 Eastern_Euro 7.85
5 Baltic 7.33
6 West_Asian 4.78
7 East_Med 1.78
8 Southeast_Asian 1.09
9 South_Asian 0.56
10 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 5.05
2 Southwest_English 5.67
3 Irish 5.87
4 West_Scottish 6.21
5 Orcadian 7.51
6 South_Dutch 8.11
7 Danish 8.26
8 North_German 8.57
9 North_Dutch 8.79
10 French 11.2
11 West_German 11.71
12 Norwegian 12.77
13 West_Norwegian 13.08
14 Swedish 14.16
15 East_German 16.01
16 North_Swedish 16.33
17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.74
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.98
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.39
20 Austrian 18.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.8% West_Scottish + 19.2% French_Basque @ 3.04
2 82.6% Irish + 17.4% French_Basque @ 3.4
3 77.3% Orcadian + 22.7% French_Basque @ 3.4
4 86.4% Southeast_English + 13.6% French_Basque @ 3.57
5 80.1% West_Scottish + 19.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.82
6 80% West_Scottish + 20% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.91
7 75.9% West_Scottish + 24.1% French_Basque @ 4.05
8 82.2% Irish + 17.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.06
9 80.6% West_Scottish + 19.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.09
10 82.2% Irish + 17.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.12
11 82.4% West_Scottish + 17.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.17
12 80.1% West_Scottish + 19.9% Southwest_French @ 4.18
13 79.9% West_Scottish + 20.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.2
14 82.9% Irish + 17.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.3
15 82.2% Irish + 17.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.35
16 88.5% Southeast_English + 11.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
17 84.6% Irish + 15.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.37
18 82.6% Irish + 17.4% Southwest_French @ 4.4
19 76.3% West_Scottish + 23.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.42
20 80.9% West_Scottish + 19.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.43



K13
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.31
2 Baltic 19.17
3 West_Med 13.98
4 West_Asian 6.81
5 East_Med 4.59
6 South_Asian 1.15
7 East_Asian 1.08

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.401749
2 Southeast_English @ 5.207952
3 West_Scottish @ 5.709457
4 Irish @ 6.175500
5 Orcadian @ 6.306055
6 North_Dutch @ 8.355516
7 Danish @ 8.760536
8 South_Dutch @ 9.142294
9 North_German @ 10.452009
10 West_German @ 10.626523
11 Norwegian @ 10.869911
12 French @ 13.125796
13 Swedish @ 13.924124
14 Austrian @ 18.966593
15 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.965982
16 East_German @ 19.986423
17 North_Swedish @ 20.798510
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.323727
19 Southwest_French @ 21.378325
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.644081

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% Southwest_English @ 4.401749

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Spanish_Cataluna +25% West_Scottish @ 4.061645

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.804180
2 Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.919558
3 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.966681
4 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.017216
5 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 4.061645
6 Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.069376
7 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.133121
8 Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.152803
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.173663
10 French + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.186246
11 Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.186651
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.193593
13 Irish + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.197333
14 Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.212928
15 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.235561
16 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 4.250186
17 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.250691
18 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 4.253838
19 Orcadian + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.259783
20 Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.265178

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.31
2 Baltic 19.17
3 West_Med 13.98
4 West_Asian 6.81
5 East_Med 4.59
6 South_Asian 1.15
7 East_Asian 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.61
9 Siberian 0.16
10 Red_Sea 0.08
11 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 3.95
2 Southeast_English 4.63
3 West_Scottish 5.06
4 Irish 5.47
5 Orcadian 5.61
6 North_Dutch 7.43
7 Danish 7.79
8 South_Dutch 7.99
9 North_German 9.26
10 West_German 9.26
11 Norwegian 9.64
12 French 11.5
13 Swedish 12.34
14 Austrian 16.57
15 East_German 17.5
16 Spanish_Cataluna 17.59
17 North_Swedish 18.45
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.85
19 Southwest_French 19.03
20 Spanish_Cantabria 19.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.4% West_Scottish + 15.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.03
2 83.2% West_Scottish + 16.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.08
3 81.3% West_Scottish + 18.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.14
4 83.6% West_Scottish + 16.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.14
5 83.6% West_Scottish + 16.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.16
6 83.5% West_Scottish + 16.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.17
7 84.4% West_Scottish + 15.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.29
8 82.9% West_Scottish + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.32
9 96.6% Southwest_English + 3.4% Armenian @ 3.36
10 96.1% Southwest_English + 3.9% Turkmen @ 3.36
11 96.6% Southwest_English + 3.4% Kurdish @ 3.37
12 96.4% Southwest_English + 3.6% Azeri @ 3.39
13 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Abhkasian @ 3.41
14 83.9% West_Scottish + 16.1% Portuguese @ 3.42
15 96.8% Southwest_English + 3.2% Assyrian @ 3.42
16 96.3% Southwest_English + 3.7% Turkish @ 3.42
17 96.9% Southwest_English + 3.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.42
18 96.8% Southeast_English + 3.2% Iranian @ 3.43
19 87.1% West_Scottish + 12.9% North_Italian @ 3.43
20 96.9% Southwest_English + 3.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.43





EuTest
# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 31.89
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.75
3 WEST_MED 13.86
4 EAST_EURO 12.11
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 8.77
6 WEST_ASIAN 5.59
7 EAST_MED 1.86


Using 1 population approximation:
1 IE @ 5.380853
2 Cornish @ 5.587140
3 Scottish @ 6.519358
4 Orcadian @ 6.575146
5 English @ 8.354007
6 NL @ 9.359020
7 West_&_Central_German @ 10.716370
8 DK @ 10.866701
9 FR @ 12.367744
10 NO @ 12.948187
11 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 14.379614
12 AT @ 17.616341
13 North_Swedish @ 17.663061
14 ES @ 19.572269
15 PT @ 20.363096
16 French_Basque @ 21.538914
17 HU @ 23.416864
18 North_Italian @ 25.484339
19 Serbian @ 25.762535
20 South_Finnish @ 26.871815

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% IE @ 5.070264


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +25% French_Basque +25% IE @ 4.061717


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cornish + French_Basque + IE + IE @ 3.393178
2 French_Basque + IE + IE + NO @ 3.455667
3 French_Basque + IE + IE + IE @ 3.618394
4 Cornish + French_Basque + IE + Orcadian @ 3.649296
5 Cornish + French_Basque + IE + Scottish @ 3.703419
6 French_Basque + IE + IE + Orcadian @ 3.730932
7 French_Basque + IE + NO + Scottish @ 3.735225
8 French_Basque + IE + NO + Orcadian @ 3.736003
9 English + French_Basque + IE + IE @ 3.803139
10 French_Basque + IE + IE + Cornish @ 3.807117
11 French_Basque + IE + IE + NL @ 3.822262
12 French_Basque + IE + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.876749
13 Cornish + French_Basque + Orcadian + Scottish @ 3.947898
14 IE + French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.954865
15 French_Basque + IE + IE + Scottish @ 3.986667
16 Cornish + French_Basque + IE + NO @ 4.002349
17 French_Basque + IE + IE + Scottish @ 4.007187
18 French_Basque + NO + Orcadian + Scottish @ 4.020409
19 English + French_Basque + IE + Orcadian @ 4.021255
20 French_Basque + IE + IE + North_Swedish @ 4.053718

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 31.89
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.75
3 WEST_MED 13.86
4 EAST_EURO 12.11
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 8.77
6 WEST_ASIAN 5.59
7 EAST_MED 1.86
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 IE 4.89
2 Cornish 4.95
3 Scottish 5.95
4 Orcadian 5.96
5 English 7.36
6 NL 8.26
7 West_&_Central_German 9.44
8 DK 9.63
9 FR 10.75
10 NO 11.52
11 South_&_Central_Swedish 12.83
12 AT 15.42
13 North_Swedish 15.82
14 ES 17.14
15 PT 17.79
16 French_Basque 19.13
17 HU 20.6
18 North_Italian 21.99
19 Serbian 22.3
20 South_Finnish 24.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% IE + 17.7% French_Basque @ 2.7
2 79.4% Orcadian + 20.6% French_Basque @ 3.42
3 93.3% IE + 6.7% Sardinian @ 3.42
4 90.9% Scottish + 9.1% Sardinian @ 3.44
5 83.9% IE + 16.1% ES @ 3.68
6 86.2% IE + 13.8% PT @ 4.03
7 78.5% IE + 21.5% FR @ 4.06
8 81.2% Scottish + 18.8% French_Basque @ 4.08
9 87.4% Cornish + 12.6% French_Basque @ 4.15
10 79.9% Scottish + 20.1% ES @ 4.24
11 68.3% IE + 31.7% French_Basque @ 4.27
12 63.6% IE + 36.4% French_Basque @ 4.36
13 90.8% IE + 9.2% North_Italian @ 4.38
14 92.4% IE + 7.6% Tuscan @ 4.39
15 71.2% Scottish + 28.8% FR @ 4.45
16 95.6% IE + 4.4% Moroccan @ 4.46
17 81.7% Scottish + 18.3% PT @ 4.54
18 52.1% IE + 47.9% Cornish @ 4.57
19 92.7% Orcadian + 7.3% Sardinian @ 4.6
20 96.9% IE + 3.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.6

JohnHowellsTyrfro
02-01-2017, 07:44 AM
Howdy, Irish american of Mayo extraction on both sides. Father emigrated to US as did my mothers parents. Consistently been getting 3 to 5 percent south asian across calculators, but im still a noob and its probably noise. Here is my kit z583411, knock yourself out :)

Just seen this, so it may be too late to comment, but here goes anyway.
I'm British ancestry, mostly Welsh as far as I know and also get South Asian. If it's Kalash, North West Pakistan (look up Kalash people) as mine is, it's un-typical of South Asia and could possibly, maybe even probably, have early origins in the Steppe peoples. Would be interested if that is what yours is showing. John

Calas
02-04-2017, 05:12 PM
Howdy, Irish american of Mayo extraction on both sides. Father emigrated to US as did my mothers parents. Consistently been getting 3 to 5 percent south asian across calculators, but im still a noob and its probably noise. Here is my kit z583411, knock yourself out :)


Just seen this, so it may be too late to comment, but here goes anyway.
I'm British ancestry, mostly Welsh as far as I know and also get South Asian. If it's Kalash, North West Pakistan (look up Kalash people) as mine is, it's un-typical of South Asia and could possibly, maybe even probably, have early origins in the Steppe peoples. Would be interested if that is what yours is showing. John

Possibly Romanichals, or Romani?

Jessie
02-05-2017, 07:17 AM
This is my K13 and K15. Father was from North Roscommon and his mother was from Sligo just over the border. My mother was from North Tipperary.

K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.04
2 Baltic 25.27
3 West_Med 9.81
4 West_Asian 7.25
5 East_Med 1.77
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 3.04
2 Irish 3.1
3 Norwegian 3.6
4 West_Scottish 3.61
5 Orcadian 3.82
6 Danish 3.86
7 North_German 5.45
8 Southeast_English 6.09
9 Southwest_English 6.26
10 Swedish 6.5
11 South_Dutch 10.22
12 West_German 11.04
13 North_Swedish 12.82
14 Austrian 15.29
15 East_German 15.45
16 French 15.89
17 Hungarian 19.56
18 Southwest_Finnish 21.09
19 Spanish_Cataluna 23.25
20 South_Polish 24.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.1% Irish + 42.9% Norwegian @ 2.28
2 50.1% Norwegian + 49.9% West_Scottish @ 2.33
3 77.2% Irish + 22.8% Swedish @ 2.54
4 51.6% North_Dutch + 48.4% Irish @ 2.56
5 70.2% West_Scottish + 29.8% Swedish @ 2.58
6 61.6% North_Dutch + 38.4% West_Scottish @ 2.6
7 88.2% Irish + 11.8% North_Swedish @ 2.61
8 94.4% Irish + 5.6% Finnish @ 2.67
9 94.5% Irish + 5.5% La_Brana-1 @ 2.68
10 93.4% Irish + 6.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.72
11 95.3% Irish + 4.7% East_Finnish @ 2.72
12 76.2% Irish + 23.8% North_German @ 2.72
13 66.7% West_Scottish + 33.3% North_German @ 2.74
14 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Chuvash @ 2.74
15 84.2% West_Scottish + 15.8% North_Swedish @ 2.75
16 65.5% Irish + 34.5% Danish @ 2.75
17 92% West_Scottish + 8% Finnish @ 2.77
18 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Mari @ 2.78
19 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Estonian @ 2.79
20 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Erzya @ 2.8

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.519424
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.522953
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.540311
4 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.548502
5 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.564251
6 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.622005
7 North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.648387
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.664680
9 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.680890
10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.683445
11 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.695799
12 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.721051
13 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.729033
14 Danish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.747781
15 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.753577
16 Irish + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.764748
17 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.766720
18 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.767802
19 Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.767981
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 2.775764

K15

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.1
9 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.03
2 West_Scottish 3.18
3 North_Dutch 3.71
4 Danish 3.92
5 Orcadian 4.92
6 Southeast_English 5.05
7 North_German 5.1
8 Southwest_English 6.72
9 Norwegian 7.23
10 West_Norwegian 7.49
11 Swedish 8.02
12 South_Dutch 9.76
13 West_German 10.83
14 North_Swedish 10.95
15 East_German 14.23
16 French 14.47
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
18 Austrian 18.1
19 Hungarian 18.79
20 Finnish 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Swedish @ 2.74
2 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Chechen @ 2.76
3 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.77
4 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Tabassaran @ 2.78
5 89.9% Irish + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 2.79
6 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Chechen @ 2.8
7 67.9% Irish + 32.1% North_Dutch @ 2.81
8 74.3% West_Scottish + 25.7% North_German @ 2.82
9 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Lezgin @ 2.82
10 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kabardin @ 2.82
11 86.3% Irish + 13.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.83
12 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Adygei @ 2.83
13 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.83
14 98% Irish + 2% North_Ossetian @ 2.84
15 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Lezgin @ 2.84
16 86.3% Irish + 13.7% Norwegian @ 2.84
17 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Balkar @ 2.85
18 94.8% Irish + 5.2% Finnish @ 2.85
19 96% Irish + 4% Estonian @ 2.86
20 98% Irish + 2% Kabardin @ 2.86

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.1
9 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.03
2 West_Scottish 3.18
3 North_Dutch 3.71
4 Danish 3.92
5 Orcadian 4.92
6 Southeast_English 5.05
7 North_German 5.1
8 Southwest_English 6.72
9 Norwegian 7.23
10 West_Norwegian 7.49
11 Swedish 8.02
12 South_Dutch 9.76
13 West_German 10.83
14 North_Swedish 10.95
15 East_German 14.23
16 French 14.47
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
18 Austrian 18.1
19 Hungarian 18.79
20 Finnish 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Swedish @ 2.74
2 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Chechen @ 2.76
3 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.77
4 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Tabassaran @ 2.78
5 89.9% Irish + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 2.79
6 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Chechen @ 2.8
7 67.9% Irish + 32.1% North_Dutch @ 2.81
8 74.3% West_Scottish + 25.7% North_German @ 2.82
9 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Lezgin @ 2.82
10 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kabardin @ 2.82
11 86.3% Irish + 13.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.83
12 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Adygei @ 2.83
13 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.83
14 98% Irish + 2% North_Ossetian @ 2.84
15 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Lezgin @ 2.84
16 86.3% Irish + 13.7% Norwegian @ 2.84
17 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Balkar @ 2.85
18 94.8% Irish + 5.2% Finnish @ 2.85
19 96% Irish + 4% Estonian @ 2.86
20 98% Irish + 2% Kabardin @ 2.86

JohnHowellsTyrfro
02-05-2017, 07:33 AM
Possibly Romanichals, or Romani?

That is a possibility which I have only discovered in the last few days. It is definitely an option. Thank you. John

sktibo
02-07-2017, 05:14 AM
13833

Hey folks,

This is what I have so far. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. So far, no Scots, perhaps they are even more elusive than the Welsh? if anyone knows a Scottish person who is into DNA testing bring them aboard here eh?

deadly77
02-07-2017, 08:42 PM
Apologies, I didn't see this thread until just now. I'm not very Scottish but my gig-grandmother listed her birthplace as Glasgow and a lot of my Y-DNA STR matches cone up with a Scottish origin. A large portion of my known ancestry is from the Northeast of England and all within the British Isles. I'm happy to go through my gedmatch data and share this evening after I get out of work if you're still collecting data.

sktibo
02-07-2017, 08:43 PM
Apologies, I didn't see this thread until just now. I'm not very Scottish but my gig-grandmother listed her birthplace as Glasgow and a lot of my Y-DNA STR matches cone up with a Scottish origin. A large portion of my known ancestry is from the Northeast of England and all within the British Isles. I'm happy to go through my gedmatch data and share this evening after I get out of work if you're still collecting data.

I'd love your grandmother's data if you have it, thanks

DMXX
02-07-2017, 08:56 PM
Hi all,

Please ensure you're sharing either your own GEDmatch ID's or ones under your control only per section 3.4 (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5054-Member-amp-Unregistered-User-Privacy).

If you've inadvertently shared someone else's ID publicly, please PM a member of staff.

deadly77
02-07-2017, 08:58 PM
Sorry, that's a typo. Not sure where gig came from but I meant to type great-great-grandmother, so no autosomal data apart from the approx 1/16 of mine that I would have inherited from her. I did inherit her mtDNA though - J1c1b2.

Jessie
02-08-2017, 01:22 AM
This is my brother's K13 and K15.

K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.51
2 Baltic 24.22
3 West_Med 12.51
4 West_Asian 8.6
5 South_Asian 1.63
6 Amerindian 1
7 East_Asian 0.3
8 Sub-Saharan 0.19
9 Red_Sea 0.02
10 East_Med 0.01

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.61
2 West_Scottish 3.62
3 Orcadian 4.03
4 North_Dutch 4.63
5 Danish 5.12
6 Southwest_English 5.23
7 Norwegian 5.6
8 Southeast_English 5.99
9 North_German 6.48
10 Swedish 8.06
11 South_Dutch 9.78
12 West_German 10.81
13 North_Swedish 14.46
14 French 15.18
15 Austrian 15.38
16 East_German 15.49
17 Hungarian 19.97
18 Spanish_Cataluna 22.09
19 Southwest_Finnish 22.44
20 Southwest_French 22.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Kalash @ 2.03
2 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Balochi @ 2.05
3 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Brahui @ 2.07
4 97% Irish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.11
5 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Burusho @ 2.14
6 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.14
7 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Chechen @ 2.15
8 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.17
9 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Lezgin @ 2.17
10 97.5% Irish + 2.5% North_Ossetian @ 2.18
11 97.9% Irish + 2.1% Makrani @ 2.18
12 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Ossetian @ 2.18
13 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Kabardin @ 2.19
14 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Pathan @ 2.19
15 97.9% Irish + 2.1% Sindhi @ 2.2
16 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Tadjik @ 2.2
17 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Balkar @ 2.21
18 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Adygei @ 2.23
19 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.27
20 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Abhkasian @ 2.27

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.953441


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.953441


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.953441
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.223475
3 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.278868
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.295299
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.296951
6 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.309850
7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.312600
8 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.415542
9 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.468552
10 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.503300
11 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.503497
12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.507485
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.507721
14 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.550465
15 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.573220
16 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.577136
17 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.584926
18 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Orcadian @ 3.669406
19 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.675050
20 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 3.688866

K15

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.02
2 Atlantic 28.5
3 Eastern_Euro 9.98
4 Baltic 9.12
5 West_Med 7.56
6 West_Asian 5.23
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 Amerindian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 2.86
2 West_Scottish 3.29
3 North_Dutch 3.86
4 Danish 3.88
5 Irish 3.94
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Southwest_English 4.99
8 North_German 6.29
9 Norwegian 6.64
10 West_Norwegian 6.68
11 Swedish 8.41
12 South_Dutch 8.96
13 West_German 9.41
14 North_Swedish 11.21
15 French 13.25
16 East_German 14.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.66
18 Austrian 18.83
19 Hungarian 19.23
20 Finnish 19.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.9% Orcadian + 6.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.13
2 94.7% Orcadian + 5.3% Erzya @ 2.15
3 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% East_German @ 2.16
4 94.1% Orcadian + 5.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.18
5 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.18
6 93.9% Orcadian + 6.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.2
7 96.2% Orcadian + 3.8% Tabassaran @ 2.21
8 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Chechen @ 2.21
9 76.6% Orcadian + 23.4% North_German @ 2.21
10 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Lezgin @ 2.21
11 93% Orcadian + 7% Croatian @ 2.22
12 93.1% Orcadian + 6.9% South_Polish @ 2.22
13 93.3% Orcadian + 6.7% Polish @ 2.23
14 93.4% Orcadian + 6.6% Moldavian @ 2.24
15 94.3% Orcadian + 5.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.24
16 93.6% Orcadian + 6.4% Ukrainian @ 2.26
17 91.5% Orcadian + 8.5% Austrian @ 2.27
18 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Kabardin @ 2.27
19 94.5% Orcadian + 5.5% Belorussian @ 2.29
20 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% Adygei @ 2.29

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Orcadian @ 2.700008


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 2.700008


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.468943
2 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.606963
3 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.664194
4 Danish + Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.700008
5 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.719922
6 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.725399
7 Danish + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.767285
8 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.777022
9 Danish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.791629
10 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.816727
11 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.820725
12 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.830852
13 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.836830
14 Danish + North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.876363
15 Irish + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.906238
16 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.906962
17 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.914979
18 North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.926702
19 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.933666
20 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.943340

deadly77
02-08-2017, 02:02 AM
Here's mine - all known ancestry within the British Isles.

Eurogenes Eu test

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 9.85
EAST_EURO 13.26
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 30.28
ATLANTIC 28.59
WEST_MED 11.88
EAST_MED 1.61
WEST_ASIAN 2.05
MIDDLE_EASTERN 2.35
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.13

Eurogenes K12

Population
South Asian -
Caucasus 2.55
Southwest Asian 2.41
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 10.57
East Asian -
West African 0.18
Volga-Ural 9.24
South Baltic 8.69
Western European 31.25
North Sea 35.11

Eurogenes V2 K15

Population
North_Sea 38.60
Atlantic 30.03
Baltic 8.00
Eastern_Euro 9.08
West_Med 8.88
West_Asian 1.48
East_Med 1.44
Red_Sea 1.24
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.09
Oceanian 0.34
Northeast_African 0.11
Sub-Saharan 0.71

deadly77
02-08-2017, 02:07 AM
Gave you K12 rather than K13. This is K13:

Population
North_Atlantic 53.51
Baltic 22.63
West_Med 12.45
West_Asian 2.78
East_Med 4.75
Red_Sea 1.63
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.07
Siberian 0.23
Amerindian 0.34
Oceanian 0.71
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.91

Bdeed
02-08-2017, 10:10 AM
My results T671125. My (current known) ancestry is English, predominantly Kent and Essex to at least 4, in some cases 7 generations.

Will this information be collated into something accessible at some point? I've been asking in various places for some means of simple comparison for British Isles populations rather than forever lumping us all together into the Isles off the coast! Britain and Ireland have a rich history of migration and invasions from across Europe and beyond. It would be great to see what influence that has had on modern landscape/genetics. (i realise there have been some papers on this but so much more could potentially be done through crowd sourcing the collection of data (or at least allowing people to compare with the findings of research).

EUtest:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.18
EAST_EURO 10.08
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 32.19
ATLANTIC 25.57
WEST_MED 10.33
EAST_MED 3.93
WEST_ASIAN 4.57
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.12

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 52.98
Baltic 23.18
West_Med 11.12
West_Asian 4.86
East_Med 4.20
Red_Sea 0.20
South_Asian 1.80
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66
Oceanian 1.00
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 40.95
Atlantic 27.24
Baltic 11.95
Eastern_Euro 5.64
West_Med 6.91
West_Asian 2.96
East_Med 1.83
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.38
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.34
Oceanian 0.75
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

kevinduffy
02-10-2017, 01:11 PM
Hello all,

I would like to compile a thread that catalogues Eurogenes admixture results for "pure bred" people in Britain and Ireland. I'm requesting either a gedmatch number or Eurogenes EUtest, k13, and k15 results. I think this would be a fun thread for members of the forum to refer to so that they can see the difference (in gedmatch terms) of the different populations of Britain and Ireland. If people are comfortable with it and think it is a good idea, I think it would be very cool to eventually include people from other areas as well. Please let me know if you are willing to let me use your gedmatch info and you want to participate.

Thank you very much

Fantastic idea! My Gedmatch number is T656173. Both my parents, sadly deceased, were born in Ireland. My father in County Monaghan and my mother in County Cavan.

sktibo
02-14-2017, 01:45 AM
My results T671125. My (current known) ancestry is English, predominantly Kent and Essex to at least 4, in some cases 7 generations.

Will this information be collated into something accessible at some point? I've been asking in various places for some means of simple comparison for British Isles populations rather than forever lumping us all together into the Isles off the coast! Britain and Ireland have a rich history of migration and invasions from across Europe and beyond. It would be great to see what influence that has had on modern landscape/genetics. (i realise there have been some papers on this but so much more could potentially be done through crowd sourcing the collection of data (or at least allowing people to compare with the findings of research).

EUtest:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.18
EAST_EURO 10.08
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 32.19
ATLANTIC 25.57
WEST_MED 10.33
EAST_MED 3.93
WEST_ASIAN 4.57
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.12

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 52.98
Baltic 23.18
West_Med 11.12
West_Asian 4.86
East_Med 4.20
Red_Sea 0.20
South_Asian 1.80
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66
Oceanian 1.00
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 40.95
Atlantic 27.24
Baltic 11.95
Eastern_Euro 5.64
West_Med 6.91
West_Asian 2.96
East_Med 1.83
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.38
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.34
Oceanian 0.75
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Thank you for sharing your info with me. The current document is accessible on page three, though I'll be moving it to the front page if I'm still able to edit that. If I'm not able to, I'll make a new thread in the aDNA section of our forums.

sktibo
02-14-2017, 02:03 AM
Just a note: I've decided to only include K15 results as I'm trying to keep the document small so that I'm able to post it here. I'm unable to edit the original post so I'll be starting a new thread where you will hopefully be able to access the document.
Thanks!

Calas
03-07-2017, 11:59 AM
Purebred. His family has been sitting in the rural settings, with the sporadic individual from nearby, for oh a long while. Quite an accurate/complete family tree via years of research.



Eurogenes K13


1 North_Atlantic 49.24
2 Baltic 29.15
3 West_Med 16.54
4 East_Med 4.29

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 7.678939
2 Orcadian @ 8.076707
3 North_Dutch @ 8.241812
4 Danish @ 8.530128
5 Norwegian @ 8.910529
6 Southwest_English @ 9.006293
7 Swedish @ 9.403177
8 North_German @ 9.461704
9 Irish @ 9.714862
10 West_Scottish @ 9.979230
11 South_Dutch @ 10.538367
12 West_German @ 11.950274
13 North_Swedish @ 13.621861
14 East_German @ 13.823234
15 Austrian @ 14.458487
16 French @ 15.878284
17 Hungarian @ 19.671068
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.171810
19 Southwest_French @ 22.605349
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.891159

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Swedish @ 6.914989

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Estonian +25% French_Basque @ 4.945170

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian + French_Basque + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 4.594334
2 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.708584
3 French_Basque + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 4.765189
4 Estonian + French_Basque + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 4.774896
5 Estonian + French_Basque + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 4.775927
6 Estonian + French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 4.789163
7 Danish + Estonian + French_Basque + Norwegian @ 4.795278
8 Estonian + French_Basque + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 4.795385
9 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.820278
10 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 4.848382
11 Danish + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 4.849865
12 Estonian + French_Basque + North_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 4.870441
13 Danish + Estonian + French_Basque + Southeast_English @ 4.871993
14 Estonian + French_Basque + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 4.872415
15 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 4.874487
16 Estonian + French_Basque + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 4.874670
17 Estonian + French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 4.879882
18 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.892591
19 Danish + Estonian + French_Basque + North_Dutch @ 4.899121
20 French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish + Swedish @ 4.899980

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 6.81
2 Orcadian 7.17
3 North_Dutch 7.31
4 Danish 7.58
5 Norwegian 7.93
6 Southwest_English 7.94
7 North_German 8.36
8 Swedish 8.42
9 Irish 8.56
10 West_Scottish 8.8
11 South_Dutch 9.23
12 West_German 10.44
13 East_German 12
14 North_Swedish 12.27
15 Austrian 12.53
16 French 13.95
17 Hungarian 17.08
18 Southwest_Finnish 18.91
19 Southwest_French 20.12
20 Spanish_Cataluna 20.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.1% North_Swedish + 29.9% French_Basque @ 4.59
2 74.1% Swedish + 25.9% Southwest_French @ 4.92
3 80.5% Southwest_English + 19.5% Estonian @ 5.06
4 82.7% Southwest_English + 17.3% Lithuanian @ 5.07
5 84.8% Southeast_English + 15.2% Estonian @ 5.08
6 81% Southwest_English + 19% Belorussian @ 5.1
7 81.2% Southwest_English + 18.8% Estonian_Polish @ 5.12
8 86.7% Southeast_English + 13.3% Lithuanian @ 5.12
9 80% Swedish + 20% French_Basque @ 5.17
10 80.5% Southeast_English + 19.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.2
11 75.2% Southwest_English + 24.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.22
12 85.8% Southeast_English + 14.2% Estonian_Polish @ 5.26
13 79% Southwest_English + 21% Polish @ 5.27
14 85.7% Southeast_English + 14.3% Belorussian @ 5.27
15 84% Southeast_English + 16% Polish @ 5.32
16 76% Swedish + 24% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.35
17 78% Swedish + 22% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.38
18 81.6% Southwest_English + 18.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.38
19 76.9% Norwegian + 23.1% Southwest_French @ 5.39
20 89.3% Norwegian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 5.4



V2 K15


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 42.71
2 Atlantic 25.27
3 Baltic 15.30
4 West_Med 11.90
5 Eastern_Euro 4.60

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Norwegian @ 9.275991
2 North_Dutch @ 10.014099
3 Norwegian @ 10.027483
4 Swedish @ 10.539203
5 Orcadian @ 10.725086
6 Southwest_English @ 11.333680
7 Irish @ 11.637211
8 West_Scottish @ 11.683151
9 Southeast_English @ 11.947542
10 Danish @ 12.046710
11 West_German @ 13.731303
12 North_German @ 13.999193
13 North_Swedish @ 15.540009
14 South_Dutch @ 15.875828
15 French @ 18.694536
16 East_German @ 19.750425
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.983847
18 Hungarian @ 24.278448
19 Finnish @ 24.594307
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 25.760862

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Norwegian @ 8.826067

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 8.826067

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.635004
2 Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.751150
3 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.826067
4 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.828547
5 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.862540
6 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.937649
7 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 8.948663
8 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 8.966339
9 French + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.990497
10 Southeast_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.994468
11 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 9.030303
12 Southwest_English + Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 9.033471
13 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.037867
14 Irish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.037924
15 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 9.041387
16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 9.080214
17 North_Dutch + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.087066
18 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 9.099641
19 Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.099770
20 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.100270


# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Norwegian 8.13
2 North_Dutch 8.7
3 Norwegian 8.74
4 Swedish 9.22
5 Orcadian 9.38
6 Southwest_English 9.73
7 Irish 10.08
8 West_Scottish 10.14
9 Southeast_English 10.29
10 Danish 10.44
11 West_German 11.74
12 North_German 12.06
13 North_Swedish 13.53
14 South_Dutch 13.56
15 French 16.05
16 East_German 16.83
17 Southwest_Finnish 19.07
18 Hungarian 20.71
19 Finnish 21.47
20 Austrian 22.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% West_Norwegian + 7.5% Sardinian @ 7.1
2 87.3% West_Norwegian + 12.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.34
3 87.7% West_Norwegian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 7.34
4 90% West_Norwegian + 10% French_Basque @ 7.36
5 87% West_Norwegian + 13% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.38
6 86.1% West_Norwegian + 13.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.38
7 89% West_Norwegian + 11% Spanish_Aragon @ 7.43
8 87.1% West_Norwegian + 12.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.46
9 66.3% West_Norwegian + 33.7% Southwest_English @ 7.49
10 87.8% West_Norwegian + 12.2% Portuguese @ 7.49
11 89.7% West_Norwegian + 10.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 7.55
12 89.8% West_Norwegian + 10.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.56
13 90.5% West_Norwegian + 9.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.57
14 89.4% West_Norwegian + 10.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.59
15 89.5% West_Norwegian + 10.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.6
16 83.7% West_Norwegian + 16.3% French @ 7.65
17 92% West_Norwegian + 8% North_Italian @ 7.76
18 76.3% West_Norwegian + 23.7% Southeast_English @ 7.86
19 81.6% West_Norwegian + 18.4% West_German @ 7.89
20 77.5% West_Norwegian + 22.5% Irish @ 7.92



EUtest

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 34.14
2 ATLANTIC 28.11
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 16.88
4 WEST_MED 13.53
5 EAST_EURO 6.34

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 9.533832
2 NL @ 11.046260
3 Cornish @ 11.060496
4 Orcadian @ 11.090463
5 DK @ 11.347793
6 IE @ 11.866946
7 NO @ 11.900558
8 Scottish @ 12.087342
9 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 12.173882
10 West_&_Central_German @ 12.478996
11 FR @ 16.907091
12 North_Swedish @ 17.475222
13 AT @ 20.160582
14 PT @ 24.529932
15 ES @ 24.770573
16 HU @ 25.444715
17 South_Finnish @ 26.463007
18 French_Basque @ 28.922310
19 PL @ 29.346569
20 Serbian @ 29.576881

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% English @ 9.533832

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English +25% English @ 9.533832

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English + English @ 9.533832
2 English + English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.535270
3 English + English + English + NO @ 9.606091
4 Cornish + English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.716570
5 English + English + English + Orcadian @ 9.723313
6 English + English + English + Scottish @ 9.755815
7 DK + English + English + English @ 9.762347
8 Cornish + English + English + English @ 9.780047
9 English + English + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.789914
10 Cornish + English + English + NO @ 9.800515
11 English + English + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.802374
12 English + English + English + IE @ 9.841205
13 English + English + English + NL @ 9.850580
14 English + English + NO + Scottish @ 9.874397
15 English + English + NO + Orcadian @ 9.876669
16 English + English + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.884380
17 English + English + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.937480
18 Cornish + DK + English + English @ 9.969012
19 English + English + IE + NO @ 9.973070
20 English + English + NL + NO @ 9.985666

# Population (source) Distance
1 English 8.31
2 NL 9.58
3 Cornish 9.66
4 Orcadian 9.72
5 DK 9.91
6 NO 10.4
7 IE 10.41
8 Scottish 10.64
9 South_&_Central_Swedish 10.66
10 West_&_Central_German 10.81
11 FR 14.79
12 North_Swedish 15.4
13 AT 17.43
14 PT 21.56
15 ES 21.81
16 HU 22.11
17 South_Finnish 23.51
18 Serbian 25.5
19 French_Basque 25.7
20 PL 25.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.5% English + 12.5% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 8.25
2 92.6% English + 7.4% NO @ 8.29
3 99.9% English + 0.1% LIT @ 8.31
4 100% English + 0% AJ @ 8.31
5 100% English + 0% Algerian @ 8.31
6 100% English + 0% Armenian @ 8.31
7 100% English + 0% Assyrian @ 8.31
8 100% English + 0% AT @ 8.31
9 100% English + 0% Balochi @ 8.31
10 100% English + 0% Bangladeshi @ 8.31
11 100% English + 0% Bedouin @ 8.31
12 100% English + 0% Belorussian @ 8.31
13 100% English + 0% Brahui @ 8.31
14 100% English + 0% Burusho @ 8.31
15 100% English + 0% Chinese @ 8.31
16 100% English + 0% Chukchi @ 8.31
17 100% English + 0% Cornish @ 8.31
18 100% English + 0% DK @ 8.31
19 100% English + 0% Druze @ 8.31
20 100% English + 0% East_Finnish @ 8.31

sktibo
03-08-2017, 11:54 PM
Purebred. His family has been sitting in the rural settings, with the sporadic individual from nearby, for oh a long while. Quite an accurate/complete family tree via years of research.



Eurogenes K13



V2 K15




EUtest

Hey Calas, thanks for sharing. What is this individual? English?

Calas
03-09-2017, 10:49 PM
Hey Calas, thanks for sharing. What is this individual? English?

Oops, I'll get back to you. Wrong area.

Calas
03-10-2017, 02:44 AM
I'm back. Sorry, was asking a friend from another forum who has the MDLP 16 DIY files uploaded to their computer to do something for me. They just got back to me.

But is he English? ... hmm, sure. We can call him that.


On second thought, he may not a good example. Not because he is not a purebred.

Rather his family has by & large lived in the same region for over 400 years. They've gone bout 40-60 miles north & about 60-80 miles south from one spot on the map. Didn't really wander east to west. And as said above it is a well-researched tree with years & money (genealogists) put into it. I mean his other kit on gedmatch below. They, in a way, may seem a little "on-the-outskirts" for the same reason I suppose A Norfolk L-M20's does. Just between him & Norfolk different geographic areas represented.


EUTEST

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 34.46
2 ATLANTIC 28.94
3 EAST_EURO 16.40
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 10.74
5 WEST_MED 9.44

1 DK @ 7.163717
2 NO @ 8.409492
3 English @ 9.894192
4 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.976036
5 Orcadian @ 9.988523
6 IE @ 10.376341
7 Scottish @ 10.779912
8 NL @ 11.275923
9 Cornish @ 11.384615
10 West_&_Central_German @ 12.911263

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% DK +50% DK @ 7.163717

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% DK +25% DK +25% DK @ 7.163717

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 DK + DK + DK + DK @ 7.163717
2 DK + DK + DK + NO @ 7.330772
3 DK + DK + DK + Scottish @ 7.359673
4 DK + DK + DK + IE @ 7.448926
5 DK + DK + NO + Scottish @ 7.467652
6 DK + DK + DK + Orcadian @ 7.507466
7 DK + DK + IE + NO @ 7.565409
8 DK + DK + NO + NO @ 7.603476
9 DK + DK + DK + English @ 7.609332
10 DK + DK + NO + Orcadian @ 7.634597

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.3% DK + 4.7% Scottish @ 6.24
2 99.3% DK + 0.7% French_Basque @ 6.25
3 100% DK + 0% AJ @ 6.25
4 100% DK + 0% Algerian @ 6.25
5 100% DK + 0% Armenian @ 6.25
6 100% DK + 0% Assyrian @ 6.25
7 100% DK + 0% AT @ 6.25
8 100% DK + 0% Balochi @ 6.25
9 100% DK + 0% Bangladeshi @ 6.25
10 100% DK + 0% Bedouin @ 6.25




K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 55.96
2 Baltic 27.86
3 West_Med 11.93
4 West_Asian 3.17

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Norwegian @ 6.133435
2 West_Scottish @ 6.269922
3 Irish @ 6.537652
4 Orcadian @ 6.748636
5 North_Dutch @ 7.224559
6 Danish @ 7.892931
7 Southwest_English @ 8.497623
8 Swedish @ 9.014374
9 Southeast_English @ 9.173241
10 North_German @ 10.817922
11 North_Swedish @ 15.411798
12 South_Dutch @ 15.575612

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% West_Scottish @ 5.364255

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 5.364255

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.364255
2 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 5.526300
3 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 5.551111
4 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 5.608680
5 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.618326
6 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 5.640794
7 Norwegian + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.660242
8 Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.695588
9 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 5.702578
10 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 5.708231

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.9% Norwegian + 47.1% West_Scottish @ 4.68
2 92.9% Norwegian + 7.1% French_Basque @ 4.87
3 58.5% Norwegian + 41.5% Irish @ 4.95
4 73.8% Norwegian + 26.2% Southwest_English @ 4.96
5 72.4% West_Scottish + 27.6% Swedish @ 4.99
6 85.2% West_Scottish + 14.8% North_Swedish @ 5.06
7 65.2% Norwegian + 34.8% Orcadian @ 5.11
8 91.1% West_Scottish + 8.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.12
9 93.4% West_Scottish + 6.6% Estonian @ 5.13
10 93.4% West_Scottish + 6.6% La_Brana-1 @ 5.18
11 93.6% West_Scottish + 6.4% Finnish @ 5.19
12 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Lithuanian @ 5.22





K15

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 43.38
2 Atlantic 28.50
3 Eastern_Euro 12.98
4 Baltic 8.78
5 West_Med 6.30

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Norwegian @ 6.529536
2 Orcadian @ 7.424703
3 Norwegian @ 8.246962
4 West_Scottish @ 8.443438
5 Danish @ 8.745391
6 North_Dutch @ 8.877787
7 Irish @ 9.849734
8 Southeast_English @ 10.500647
9 Swedish @ 10.542439
10 Southwest_English @ 11.503290

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Norwegian @ 5.911663

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 5.911663

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.911663
2 Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.942652
3 West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 5.996234
4 Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 5.997935
5 West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.213774
6 Danish + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.234618
7 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 6.264335
8 Irish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.289475
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.293722
10 Irish + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.324214

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% West_Norwegian + 39.5% Orcadian @ 5.04
2 68.7% West_Norwegian + 31.3% West_Scottish @ 5.16
3 94.9% West_Norwegian + 5.1% French_Basque @ 5.37
4 80.1% West_Norwegian + 19.9% Irish @ 5.42
5 82.2% West_Norwegian + 17.8% Southeast_English @ 5.43
6 87.6% West_Norwegian + 12.4% Southwest_English @ 5.53
7 82% West_Norwegian + 18% Danish @ 5.54
8 97.4% West_Norwegian + 2.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.59
9 97.9% West_Norwegian + 2.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.62
10 98% West_Norwegian + 2% Southwest_French @ 5.62

Jessie
03-10-2017, 04:56 AM
Purebred. His family has been sitting in the rural settings, with the sporadic individual from nearby, for oh a long while. Quite an accurate/complete family tree via years of research.



Eurogenes K13



V2 K15




EUtest

Hi Calas - What I find interesting about these results is that the person is reasonably distant to their No 1 pop so its not exactly a good fit. Anything on these calcs under 10 is not particularly close and at their no 1 pop 6.8 appears to be the closest but 9.5 distance for a no 1 pop is unusual in my experience. Most of my Top 10 pops are under 9.5 so for a No 1 pop that's not particularly close. Not sure what it means if anything but they are obviously not that close to the reference pops.

Calas
03-10-2017, 09:54 AM
Hi Calas - What I find interesting about these results is that the person is reasonably distant to their No 1 pop so its not exactly a good fit. Anything on these calcs under 10 is not particularly close and at their no 1 pop 6.8 appears to be the closest but 9.5 distance for a no 1 pop is unusual in my experience. Most of my Top 10 pops are under 9.5 so for a No 1 pop that's not particularly close. Not sure what it means if anything but they are obviously not that close to the reference pops.

Jessie given his history, which as said spans 400 years in the same small geographic location [and this is well researched history, 50 years in fact], I wouldn't expect him to be excessively close to the reference populations per say.



Calas
k15
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 5.929035
2 Southwest_English @ 6.647080
3 Irish @ 6.769068
4 West_Scottish @ 7.169946

and

K13

1 Southwest_English @ 4.401749
2 Southeast_English @ 5.207952
3 West_Scottish @ 5.709457
4 Irish @ 6.175500
5 Orcadian @ 6.306055

and

EUtest

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IE @ 5.380853
2 Cornish @ 5.587140
3 Scottish @ 6.519358
4 Orcadian @ 6.575146

I am not reasonably close either Jessie and I wouldn't expect myself to be given as though British my ancestry is not what Eurogenes tries to say. Don't have a lot of southern British ancestry, and what I do is widely western not eastern; I have no real degree of Orcadian as my ancestry doesn't go anywhere near north enough, and a tiny fraction that I'd call legitimate Irish as most my "Irish" is of British or Scottish root.


One, after all, has to have reasonably same ancestral mix to match with the reference populations. But further off your ancestry from the assumed ancestry of the references then the further off your match. That is why on Living DNA some of the people of colonist ancestry have gotten higher "British" than people like Norfolk. It isn't because they're purer "British" it is merely because they fit the mixed bag criteria of Living DNA's references far better than Norfolk with his stationary ancestry does.



I mean this friend's EUtest is


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 13.822035
2 AT @ 14.001189
3 North_Italian @ 15.204582
4 FR @ 15.667855
5 RO @ 15.784930
6 PT @ 16.101343

She's not Serbian. But her ancestry, apparently to EUtest, equals Serb. Or not given the distance.


Besides Eurogenes is, in some ways, old and outdated. I have, more than once, questioned just how good the references are. Another test for him for example.


puntDNAL K12
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 1.563222
2 English_South @ 2.709705
3 German_North @ 2.780355
4 Dutch_North @ 2.912799
5 Scottish_West @ 3.433724

He's not Irish either but given where his ancestry is from I can, in a way, understand why gedmatch thinks he's "Irish".

sktibo
03-11-2017, 07:11 AM
Big problem with gedmatch oracles is that they often have just one sample to reference your numbers against. I think that's why people get such strange top matches. IIRC the new MDLP calcs have multiple reference samples for some of the oracle ethnicities. Step in the right direction. Hopefully one day we'll get to the point where these gedmatch calcs have hundreds of references for each ethnic population.. I suppose that could give major testing companies some competition

gstockman
03-11-2017, 03:59 PM
According to Living DNA, I am approximately 40% England, 30% Scotland, 25% Ireland, and 5% Wales. The odd thing is that my mother was born in Hamilton Scotland and her family had been there (in Scotland) at least 200 years yet I'm only 30% Scot.
My GED kit numbers are M134023 and T497283.

Graham
03-11-2017, 05:32 PM
My ancestry is a bit of a British mix. Grandad( Little) is from an area of the Lake District next to Blencathra. My grannie( Innes) is spread throughout Scotland. nana ( Metcalfe) Is Northumbrian/Cumbrian in ancestry with some Southern English & my (Finlay) Grandad side is spread through Scotland. Great Gran( Coutts) is a Shetlander with ancestry mostly on west of Islands, Walls, Papa Stour, Foula etc..

Not useful for an individual area mind. :P

Gedmatch is M333431
K15

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
North_Sea
42.98


2
Atlantic
28.72


3
Eastern_Euro
10.07


4
Baltic
7.46


5
West_Med
6.63


6
West_Asian
1.87


7
Oceanian
1.07


8
East_Med
0.99


9
Northeast_African
0.2



K13

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
54.84


2
Baltic
23.71


3
West_Med
10.83


4
West_Asian
4.57


5
East_Med
3.57


6
Oceanian
1.29


7
East_Asian
0.35


8
Northeast_African
0.31


9
South_Asian
0.21


10
Amerindian
0.17


11
Siberian
0.1


12
Sub-Saharan
0.05

Calas
03-11-2017, 09:02 PM
According to Living DNA, I am approximately 40% England, 30% Scotland, 25% Ireland, and 5% Wales. The odd thing is that my mother was born in Hamilton Scotland and her family had been there (in Scotland) at least 200 years yet I'm only 30% Scot.
My GED kit numbers are M134023 and T497283.

Your mother is a Lowlander and so such results are, in a way, to be expected. Unlike Highlanders, well in many ways it has changed nowadays due to the Clearance, most Lowlanders are of Scottish & English ancestry. How thorough of a family tree does she have? Hamilton is right by Glasgow and that has had more than its fair share of English migrants over the centuries.

The curious thing is the Irish - do you have any Irish ancestry of note? If not that maybe due more to the Lowlander ancestry than legitimate Irish ancestry. Is it actually Ireland or Northern Irish?

Solothurn
03-11-2017, 09:35 PM
All UK :)

T936709






T567414






T050484

T330927

T025154

T607219

T789237

sktibo
03-11-2017, 11:05 PM
All UK :)

T936709






T567414






T050484

T330927

T025154

T607219

T789237



















































Thank you, but where in the UK - the goal of these compilations is to find people who are not necessarily from the UK but to get people who are solely or almost solely from England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland.

gstockman
03-12-2017, 12:30 AM
Reply moved...

gstockman
03-12-2017, 12:47 AM
Your mother is a Lowlander and so such results are, in a way, to be expected. Unlike Highlanders, well in many ways it has changed nowadays due to the Clearance, most Lowlanders are of Scottish & English ancestry. How thorough of a family tree does she have? Hamilton is right by Glasgow and that has had more than its fair share of English migrants over the centuries.

The curious thing is the Irish - do you have any Irish ancestry of note? If not that maybe due more to the Lowlander ancestry than legitimate Irish ancestry. Is it actually Ireland or Northern Irish?

Calas,
Her father was born in Dundee in 1889 and he wound up at Smyllum orphanage 0n the 1901 census. His family moved from Sligo, Ireland to Dundee in the early 1800s. Her maternal grandmother was born in Fodderty, Ross & Cromarty, near Dingwall and Strathpeffer.
Now on my father's side, his great grandparents were born in County Cork, Ireland.
Thanks,
George

Calas
03-12-2017, 12:56 AM
Calas,
Her father was born in Dundee in 1889 and he wound up at Smyllum orphanage 0n the 1901 census. His family moved from Sligo, Ireland to Dundee in the early 1800s. Her maternal grandmother was born in Fodderty, Ross & Cromarty, near Dingwall and Strathpeffer.
Now on my father's side, his great grandparents were born in County Cork, Ireland.
Thanks,
George

George. Thanks for the info. Do you know if the Sligo to Dundee movement was work related or not? And her mother is from Hamilton then seeing as you mentioned someone's been in the area for 200 years.

gstockman
03-12-2017, 01:41 AM
George. Thanks for the info. Do you know if the Sligo to Dundee movement was work related or not? And her mother is from Hamilton then seeing as you mentioned someone's been in the area for 200 years.

When I said my mother's family was in the area 200 years I really didn't mean Hamilton, I meant Scotland. I know her family was in Scotland in the early 1800's As far as the Hamilton area only, her father moved there as an infant or young child in the 1890s. Her mother was born in Hamilton in 1893.

I don't think the move to Dundee was job related, I don't really know. Her father, William's, occupation in Hamilton was coal hewer. His father, James, in Dundee was a shipyard labourer; and his father, Patrick, in Glamis was a mason's labourer. The surname of each is Burns.

Solothurn
03-12-2017, 09:00 AM
Counties or countries?
Thank you, but where in the UK - the goal of these compilations is to find people who are not necessarily from the UK but to get people who are solely or almost solely from England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland.

sktibo
03-12-2017, 09:24 AM
Counties or countries?

Country, I don't think I'll ever get to the point of being down to a county, but wouldn't that just be amazing? For some areas with more samples, such as England, I have some samples listed from East England. If they're all from England, that'll do even if scattered across the country, but if some are from a specific part, say, Cornwall or even SW England in general that's even better. If this doesn't make sense I'm happy to clarify.

Solothurn
03-12-2017, 09:59 AM
T936709, T025154 England and a little North Wales.

T567414, T330927, T607219, England and a little Scotland (Banffshire).

T050484, T789237 England but NPEs involved :(

Hope this helps.

Solothurn
03-12-2017, 10:08 AM
All mainly Northwest England with Staffordshire. T936709, T050484 and T789237 do have more Northumbria than the others.

My wife kit T567414 was given 9% British by FTDNA 68% Scandinavian and 28% Western Europe! All known Ancestry is British!



Country, I don't think I'll ever get to the point of being down to a county, but wouldn't that just be amazing? For some areas with more samples, such as England, I have some samples listed from East England. If they're all from England, that'll do even if scattered across the country, but if some are from a specific part, say, Cornwall or even SW England in general that's even better. If this doesn't make sense I'm happy to clarify.

sktibo
03-12-2017, 08:54 PM
All mainly Northwest England with Staffordshire. T936709, T050484 and T789237 do have more Northumbria than the others.

My wife kit T567414 was given 9% British by FTDNA 68% Scandinavian and 28% Western Europe! All known Ancestry is British!

From what I've seen FTDNA ethnicity estimates are downright crazy. thanks for the kit numbers!

Calas
03-13-2017, 10:36 AM
Hi Calas - What I find interesting about these results is that the person is reasonably distant to their No 1 pop so its not exactly a good fit. Anything on these calcs under 10 is not particularly close and at their no 1 pop 6.8 appears to be the closest but 9.5 distance for a no 1 pop is unusual in my experience. Most of my Top 10 pops are under 9.5 so for a No 1 pop that's not particularly close. Not sure what it means if anything but they are obviously not that close to the reference pops.

Hey Jessie.

Sorry about the grumpy mood earlier. Learnt a patient where I work happened to have passed away. Possibly doctor's fault. Doctors are human sure but when they tell you there's nothing wrong when your half-blind grandmother can tell you there's something wrong well that's a different story.

Regarding the chap earlier, as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

https://i.imgsafe.org/66c7be506d.png


The problem with gedmatch, as like any ethnicity based genetic testing, is two-fold. One is sample size, you can't necessarily expect a sample size of 200 people to represent the whole of rural southwestern England for example (do you happen to know how many southwestern English may have Welsh ancestry by any chance), and two is what is the references' ancestry. Sure some populations > Finns, Jewish, etc. > will be close regardless as they are similar to one another. But countries like England which has seen its fair share of population movement both historial (Vikings, Saxons, etc.), old (Huguenots, Palatinates, etc.), and modern (Industrial Revolution, Potato Famine, Scottish Clearances) isn't by any means that homogeneous.

But I believe it was on anthrogenica where dodecad earned complaints for using Germans, eastern French (not a good idea given French/German proximity) in their French sample. I read it somewhere where it was implied one of these oracles used mostly Americans as their references for "British" > that likely means British mixed (e.g. German, etc.) ancestry. I mean it was cute, in the good-god sense of the word, when a Montrealer (of Quebec/Acadian ancestry, with a Paris-born great-grandfather, a Norwegian great-grandmother, and one Irish great-great-grandfather) I met when living in Quebec turned out to be an EUtest special & "English". We had a good laugh over facebook about it.

But, for example, check out MDLP 16 and Mindhive's post. Then borrow their kit number & visit EUtest & Jtest. They're apparently very "Irish", an option MDLP 23b shares.


Though not a Brit I'd think this Finn is something of a good example, what being, as like myself & having distance from the reference population. I mentioned this on MDLP 16 when I gave a summary of the Finnish kits I've got in my possession, through having a close friendship with a Finnish-Norwegian, that the distance in population range at population #1 > 1.9 to 6.7 is what I've seen. I've seen Finns with bigger distances on K15 for the population #1 > 7, 8 and 9 aren't as unusual as you'd think. So if a group like that can have distances then why wouldn't Brits?

https://i.imgsafe.org/67034be0ce.png

Calas
03-18-2017, 08:54 PM
This person really came to mind ever since I saw skitbo's request for "purebred" Brits. The one reason why I didn't post is because she was away visiting her grandmother in Tyneside and well family comes first. I only got permission a couple days ago. She starts loosing ancestors at the 3rd great-grandparent level, becomes spotty by the mid 1700s. They have lived in the same region - the towns but a hop, skip & jump away [aka short distance] - for that entire timeframe.

EUtest
# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 31.00
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.10
3 WEST_MED 13.63
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 11.74
5 EAST_EURO 11.49
6 EAST_MED 3.36
7 WEST_ASIAN 0.69

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cornish @ 3.947600
2 English @ 5.865143
3 Orcadian @ 5.999600
4 IE @ 6.334435
5 Scottish @ 6.680215
6 NL @ 7.346426
7 DK @ 8.272312
8 West_&_Central_German @ 8.954713
9 NO @ 10.763965
10 FR @ 11.834908
11 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 11.950054
12 North_Swedish @ 15.763744
13 AT @ 16.542858
14 ES @ 19.533062
15 PT @ 19.993988
16 HU @ 22.665871
17 French_Basque @ 22.829578
18 South_Finnish @ 24.994249
19 Serbian @ 25.541512
20 North_Italian @ 25.892857

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% Cornish @ 3.947600

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% DK +25% DK +25% French_Basque @ 2.268351

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 DK + DK + DK + French_Basque @ 2.268351
2 DK + English + French_Basque + NO @ 2.428690
3 DK + DK + English + French_Basque @ 2.466121
4 DK + DK + French_Basque + NO @ 2.522060
5 DK + English + French_Basque + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.540140
6 DK + DK + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 2.675049
7 DK + DK + French_Basque + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.691853
8 English + French_Basque + NO + NO @ 2.749500
9 Cornish + DK + French_Basque + NO @ 2.778610
10 DK + French_Basque + NO + Orcadian @ 2.818714
11 DK + DK + French_Basque + Scottish @ 2.822519
12 Cornish + DK + French_Basque + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.840988
13 DK + DK + French_Basque + NL @ 2.843203
14 Cornish + DK + DK + French_Basque @ 2.852300
15 DK + French_Basque + NO + Scottish @ 2.892612
16 DK + French_Basque + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.899749
17 English + French_Basque + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.924970
18 DK + French_Basque + NL + NO @ 2.934707
19 DK + French_Basque + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.940219
20 DK + DK + French_Basque + IE @ 2.958162


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.2% DK + 25.8% French_Basque @ 1.99
2 68.8% NO + 31.2% French_Basque @ 2.67
3 66.4% South_&_Central_Swedish + 33.6% French_Basque @ 3.02
4 83.1% English + 16.9% French_Basque @ 3.15
5 94% Cornish + 6% French_Basque @ 3.21
6 99.5% Cornish + 0.5% Sardinian @ 3.45
7 99.6% Cornish + 0.4% ES @ 3.46
8 100% Cornish + 0% AJ @ 3.46
9 100% Cornish + 0% Algerian @ 3.46
10 100% Cornish + 0% Armenian @ 3.46
11 100% Cornish + 0% Assyrian @ 3.46
12 100% Cornish + 0% AT @ 3.46
13 100% Cornish + 0% Balochi @ 3.46
14 100% Cornish + 0% Bangladeshi @ 3.46
15 100% Cornish + 0% Bedouin @ 3.46
16 100% Cornish + 0% Belorussian @ 3.46
17 100% Cornish + 0% Brahui @ 3.46
18 100% Cornish + 0% Burusho @ 3.46
19 100% Cornish + 0% Chinese @ 3.46
20 100% Cornish + 0% Chukchi @ 3.46




k13
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 55.75
2 Baltic 22.59
3 West_Med 12.24
4 East_Med 6.87
5 West_Asian 2.56

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 6.288004
2 West_Scottish @ 6.766016
3 Southwest_English @ 6.905725
4 Orcadian @ 7.147210
5 Irish @ 7.836722
6 North_Dutch @ 8.426191
7 Danish @ 8.733928
8 Norwegian @ 10.015609
9 North_German @ 11.455563
10 South_Dutch @ 12.368403
11 Swedish @ 13.183258
12 West_German @ 13.753818
13 French @ 16.691696
14 North_Swedish @ 19.561295
15 Austrian @ 20.707335
16 East_German @ 21.274548
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.295345
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.505812
19 Southwest_French @ 24.591230
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 25.040083

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 6.069936

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 6.059282

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.059282
2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.069936
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.158650
4 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.261464
5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.275178
6 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.280189
7 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.288004
8 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.313358
9 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.340375
10 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.366641
11 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.369148
12 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.370991
13 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 6.376431
14 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.376724
15 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.405476
16 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.411093
17 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.445248
18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.452905
19 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.476940
20 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.505923

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.3% Southeast_English + 38.7% West_Scottish @ 5.27
2 83.4% Southeast_English + 16.6% Southwest_English @ 5.5
3 94.1% Southeast_English + 5.9% Irish @ 5.51
4 96.1% Southeast_English + 3.9% Orcadian @ 5.52
5 99.7% Southeast_English + 0.3% Norwegian @ 5.52
6 100% Southeast_English + 0% Abhkasian @ 5.52
7 100% Southeast_English + 0% Adygei @ 5.52
8 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.52
9 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.52
10 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.52
11 100% Southeast_English + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.52
12 100% Southeast_English + 0% Algerian @ 5.52
13 100% Southeast_English + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.52
14 100% Southeast_English + 0% Altaian @ 5.52
15 100% Southeast_English + 0% Armenian @ 5.52
16 100% Southeast_English + 0% Ashkenazi @ 5.52
17 100% Southeast_English + 0% Assyrian @ 5.52
18 100% Southeast_English + 0% Austrian @ 5.52
19 100% Southeast_English + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 5.52
20 100% Southeast_English + 0% Azeri @ 5.52



k15 v2

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.91
2 Atlantic 32.72
3 Baltic 10.00
4 West_Med 7.91
5 Eastern_Euro 7.26
6 East_Med 4.21

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 5.410146
2 Irish @ 5.531063
3 Southeast_English @ 5.534183
4 Orcadian @ 6.884541
5 Southwest_English @ 7.193975
6 Danish @ 7.847061
7 North_Dutch @ 7.987662
8 North_German @ 10.233199
9 West_Norwegian @ 11.444650
10 South_Dutch @ 11.740524
11 Norwegian @ 11.744214
12 Swedish @ 13.182474
13 West_German @ 13.283398
14 French @ 15.379271
15 North_Swedish @ 16.556662
16 East_German @ 19.640038
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.712646
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.341904
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 23.347872
20 Austrian @ 23.368345

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 5.222458

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 5.222458

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.222458
2 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.252956
3 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.271028
4 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.274951
5 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.320120
6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.324529
7 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.345068
8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.392556
9 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 5.392826
10 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.399072
11 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.403878
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.410146
13 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.412385
14 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.415770
15 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.420904
16 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 5.427359
17 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.430168
18 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.434543
19 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.459716
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.459986

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% West_Scottish + 6.4% French_Basque @ 4.27
2 93% West_Scottish + 7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.31
3 93.3% West_Scottish + 6.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.35
4 93% West_Scottish + 7% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.36
5 92.7% West_Scottish + 7.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.4
6 94% West_Scottish + 6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.41
7 93.4% West_Scottish + 6.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.41
8 94% West_Scottish + 6% Southwest_French @ 4.43
9 94% West_Scottish + 6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.43
10 94.8% West_Scottish + 5.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.44
11 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.46
12 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Sardinian @ 4.46
13 94.2% West_Scottish + 5.8% Portuguese @ 4.47
14 56.4% West_Scottish + 43.6% Southeast_English @ 4.47
15 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.52
16 96.7% West_Scottish + 3.3% North_Italian @ 4.56
17 50.6% Southeast_English + 49.4% Irish @ 4.59
18 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.59
19 95.2% West_Scottish + 4.8% French @ 4.6
20 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.6


snapshot

https://i.imgsafe.org/d9b5307433.png

Left to right - eutest, k13, k15




To give you an idea what that looks like as EuroGenes is in a way limited.

MDLP 23b

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.02
2 European_Early_Farmers 29.99
3 Caucasian 22.35
4 South_Central_Asian 4.84
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.58
6 African_Pygmy 0.21


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Frisian @ 2.285788
2 Belgian @ 2.489433
3 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.499354
4 English @ 3.684088
5 Irish @ 3.900960
6 North_European @ 3.981608
7 CEU @ 4.616198
8 British @ 4.803442
9 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 5.049387
10 Welsh @ 5.489554
11 South_German @ 5.573723
12 Dutch @ 5.829662
13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 6.859119
14 Norwegian_West @ 7.155132
15 German-Volga @ 7.205881
16 Norwegian_East @ 7.269833
17 Orcadian @ 7.324290
18 Icelandic @ 7.990617
19 North_German @ 8.832700
20 Dane @ 9.097457

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent_GBR +50% Frisian @ 2.086315

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +25% English_Kent_GBR +25% Frisian @ 1.949842

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.865197
2 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.912607
3 French_South + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_East @ 1.940955
4 Belgian + Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian @ 1.949842
5 French_South + Frisian + Frisian + Pole @ 1.955425
6 English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + South_German @ 1.980621
7 French + Frisian + Frisian + Swede @ 1.985658
8 Belarusian-East + French_South + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.002935
9 French + Frisian + Frisian + North_German @ 2.008651
10 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Frisian + South_German @ 2.033942
11 French_South + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian @ 2.048559
12 British + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + South_German @ 2.085428
13 English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.086315
14 Belgian + Belgian + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.090415
15 Belgian + Frisian + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.098929
16 British + Frisian + Frisian + South_German @ 2.099356
17 French_South + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_Center @ 2.106402
18 Don_cossack + French_South + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.108600
19 French_South + Frisian + Frisian + Russian-West @ 2.120278
20 Belgian + British + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.121360

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Frisian ( ) + 12.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 1.24
2 95.8% Frisian ( ) + 4.2% Sardinian ( ) @ 1.33
3 95.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 4.9% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.36
4 94.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.1% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.4
5 95% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.43
6 94.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.2% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.47
7 94.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.2% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.48
8 94.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.8% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.54
9 89.5% Frisian ( ) + 10.5% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 1.54
10 90.6% Frisian ( ) + 9.4% Spaniard ( ) @ 1.54
11 91.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.4% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 1.55
12 94.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.4% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.55
13 82.9% Frisian ( ) + 17.1% French ( ) @ 1.55
14 94.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.3% Georgian ( ) @ 1.55
15 94.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.2% Adjara ( ) @ 1.57
16 83.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 16.7% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 1.59
17 91.8% Frisian ( ) + 8.2% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 1.61
18 89% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11% Gagauz ( ) @ 1.61
19 93.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 6.8% Circassian ( ) @ 1.62
20 86% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 14% Bulgarian ( ) @ 1.64





Dodecad World9

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 77.01
2 Southern 12.02
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 10.10
4 Amerindian 0.87

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kent @ 1.218668
2 British_Isles @ 1.490436
3 Cornwall @ 1.501995
4 British @ 1.566114
5 CEU30 @ 2.250832
6 Irish @ 2.547588
7 Orcadian @ 2.631429
8 German @ 2.663224
9 Orkney @ 2.801897
10 Dutch @ 3.126547
11 Argyll @ 3.215500
12 Mixed_Germanic @ 3.645881
13 Polish @ 5.857626
14 Norwegian @ 6.786087
15 Swedish @ 7.459074
16 Belorussian @ 7.872117
17 Ukranians @ 7.883289
18 Hungarians @ 9.880707
19 French @ 9.975016
20 Russian_B @ 10.383518

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% British_Isles +50% Kent @ 1.184033

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% British_Isles +25% Kent +25% Kent @ 1.184033

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orkney + Kent + Kent + Kent @ 1.145496
2 British_Isles + Kent + Kent + Kent @ 1.158777
3 Orcadian + Kent + Kent + Kent @ 1.171248
4 Orkney + Kent + Kent + Cornwall @ 1.175979
5 Orcadian + Kent + Kent + Cornwall @ 1.177801
6 Irish + Kent + Kent + Kent @ 1.178354
7 British_Isles + British_Isles + Kent + Kent @ 1.184033
8 British_Isles + Kent + Kent + Cornwall @ 1.191773
9 Orkney + Kent + Cornwall + Cornwall @ 1.197090
10 Irish + Kent + Kent + Cornwall @ 1.199240
11 Irish + Kent + Cornwall + Cornwall @ 1.213385
12 Kent + Kent + Kent + Kent @ 1.218668
13 Irish + British_Isles + Kent + Kent @ 1.233949
14 British_Isles + British_Isles + Kent + Cornwall @ 1.235955
15 British + British_Isles + Kent + Kent @ 1.240283
16 British_Isles + Kent + Cornwall + Cornwall @ 1.246617
17 Orcadian + Kent + Cornwall + Cornwall @ 1.252767
18 Orkney + Cornwall + Cornwall + Cornwall @ 1.258569
19 Irish + Cornwall + Cornwall + Cornwall @ 1.260379
20 British + Irish + Kent + Kent @ 1.268785

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 15.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 1.07
2 93.6% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 6.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.07
3 96.7% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 3.3% Lithuanians @ 1.07
4 96.9% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 3.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.08
5 69% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 31% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.08
6 85.6% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 14.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.09
7 95.3% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 4.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.1
8 87% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 13% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.1
9 95.2% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 4.8% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 1.14
10 98% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.15
11 98.7% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 1.3% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.15
12 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% Indian (Dodecad) @ 1.15
13 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.15
14 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% British (Dodecad) @ 1.15
15 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.15
16 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.15
17 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.15
18 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.15
19 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 1.15
20 100% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0% German (Dodecad) @ 1.15




https://i.imgsafe.org/d9cefc2149.png


Left to right > MLDP 23b & World9.

ashstar
05-06-2017, 09:37 AM
Mostly South English results

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.37
2 Atlantic 22.93
3 West_Med 11.57
4 Eastern_Euro 7.99
5 Baltic 7.89
6 West_Asian 5.02
7 Oceanian 1.82
8 Amerindian 1.75
9 South_Asian 1.16
10 Northeast_African 1.15


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 7.811434
2 Orcadian @ 8.022852
3 West_German @ 8.308820
4 North_Dutch @ 8.490183
5 Southeast_English @ 9.021976
6 Norwegian @ 9.110832
7 West_Norwegian @ 9.434696
8 Danish @ 9.534600
9 West_Scottish @ 9.973377
10 Irish @ 10.256671
11 Swedish @ 10.975130
12 South_Dutch @ 11.016238
13 North_German @ 11.130486
14 French @ 13.641824
15 North_Swedish @ 14.254834
16 East_German @ 16.924810
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 20.989595
18 Hungarian @ 21.517561
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.535721
20 Austrian @ 22.731007

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_German @ 5.732194


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_German +25% West_German @ 5.732194


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 5.732194
2 Orcadian + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.766521
3 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.790080
4 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.911788
5 Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.945464
6 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 5.963388
7 Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 5.984137
8 French + Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.996781
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.996797
10 Southwest_English + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 6.006130
11 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 6.027649
12 French + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.049925
13 Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.066319
14 French + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.075099
15 Orcadian + Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.080380
16 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 6.093629
17 French + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.100175
18 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German @ 6.126260
19 French + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 6.130984
20 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.147222

sktibo
05-06-2017, 07:11 PM
This person really came to mind ever since I saw skitbo's request for "purebred" Brits. The one reason why I didn't post is because she was away visiting her grandmother in Tyneside and well family comes first. I only got permission a couple days ago. She starts loosing ancestors at the 3rd great-grandparent level, becomes spotty by the mid 1700s. They have lived in the same region - the towns but a hop, skip & jump away [aka short distance] - for that entire timeframe.


Hi Calas, where is all this individuals family from? Tyneside? also is that K13 complete? Thank you

sktibo
05-06-2017, 07:13 PM
Mostly South English results

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.37
2 Atlantic 22.93
3 West_Med 11.57
4 Eastern_Euro 7.99
5 Baltic 7.89
6 West_Asian 5.02
7 Oceanian 1.82
8 Amerindian 1.75
9 South_Asian 1.16
10 Northeast_African 1.15


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 7.811434
2 Orcadian @ 8.022852
3 West_German @ 8.308820
4 North_Dutch @ 8.490183
5 Southeast_English @ 9.021976
6 Norwegian @ 9.110832
7 West_Norwegian @ 9.434696
8 Danish @ 9.534600
9 West_Scottish @ 9.973377
10 Irish @ 10.256671
11 Swedish @ 10.975130
12 South_Dutch @ 11.016238
13 North_German @ 11.130486
14 French @ 13.641824
15 North_Swedish @ 14.254834
16 East_German @ 16.924810
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 20.989595
18 Hungarian @ 21.517561
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.535721
20 Austrian @ 22.731007

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_German @ 5.732194


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_German +25% West_German @ 5.732194


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 5.732194
2 Orcadian + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.766521
3 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.790080
4 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.911788
5 Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.945464
6 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 5.963388
7 Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 5.984137
8 French + Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.996781
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.996797
10 Southwest_English + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 6.006130
11 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 6.027649
12 French + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.049925
13 Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.066319
14 French + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.075099
15 Orcadian + Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.080380
16 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 6.093629
17 French + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.100175
18 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German @ 6.126260
19 French + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 6.130984
20 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.147222

Hi Ashstar, can I get a K13 for this please? I don't need the oracle just the primary set of numbers, such as
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.37
2 Atlantic 22.93
3 West_Med 11.57
4 Eastern_Euro 7.99
5 Baltic 7.89
6 West_Asian 5.02
7 Oceanian 1.82
8 Amerindian 1.75
9 South_Asian 1.16
10 Northeast_African 1.15

Thank you very much

ashstar
05-07-2017, 02:23 AM
Hi Ashstar, can I get a K13 for this please? I don't need the oracle just the primary set of numbers, such as
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.37
2 Atlantic 22.93
3 West_Med 11.57
4 Eastern_Euro 7.99
5 Baltic 7.89
6 West_Asian 5.02
7 Oceanian 1.82
8 Amerindian 1.75
9 South_Asian 1.16
10 Northeast_African 1.15

Thank you very much

Yes no problem, here it is.

K13
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.03
2 Baltic 20.8
3 West_Med 14.62
4 West_Asian 6.46
5 East_Med 4.44
6 Amerindian 2.06
7 Oceanian 2.05
8 South_Asian 1.15
9 Northeast_African 1.08
10 East_Asian 0.31

ashstar
05-07-2017, 02:52 AM
[QUOTE=Calas;220808]This person really came to mind ever since I saw skitbo's request for "purebred" Brits. The one reason why I didn't post is because she was away visiting her grandmother in Tyneside and well family comes first. I only got permission a couple days ago. She starts loosing ancestors at the 3rd great-grandparent level, becomes spotty by the mid 1700s. They have lived in the same region - the towns but a hop, skip & jump away [aka short distance] - for that entire timeframe.


k13
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 55.75
2 Baltic 22.59
3 West_Med 12.24
4 East_Med 6.87
5 West_Asian 2.56

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 6.288004
2 West_Scottish @ 6.766016
3 Southwest_English @ 6.905725
4 Orcadian @ 7.147210
5 Irish @ 7.836722
6 North_Dutch @ 8.426191
7 Danish @ 8.733928
8 Norwegian @ 10.015609
9 North_German @ 11.455563
10 South_Dutch @ 12.368403
11 Swedish @ 13.183258
12 West_German @ 13.753818
13 French @ 16.691696
14 North_Swedish @ 19.561295
15 Austrian @ 20.707335
16 East_German @ 21.274548
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.295345
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.505812
19 Southwest_French @ 24.591230
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 25.040083

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 6.069936

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 6.059282

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.059282
2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.069936
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.158650
4 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.261464
5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.275178
6 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.280189
7 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.288004
8 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.313358
9 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.340375
10 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.366641
11 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.369148
12 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.370991
13 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 6.376431
14 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.376724
15 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 6.405476
16 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.411093
17 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.445248
18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 6.452905
19 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 6.476940
20 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 6.505923

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.3% Southeast_English + 38.7% West_Scottish @ 5.27
2 83.4% Southeast_English + 16.6% Southwest_English @ 5.5
3 94.1% Southeast_English + 5.9% Irish @ 5.51
4 96.1% Southeast_English + 3.9% Orcadian @ 5.52
5 99.7% Southeast_English + 0.3% Norwegian @ 5.52
6 100% Southeast_English + 0% Abhkasian @ 5.52
7 100% Southeast_English + 0% Adygei @ 5.52
8 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.52
9 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.52
10 100% Southeast_English + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.52
11 100% Southeast_English + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.52
12 100% Southeast_English + 0% Algerian @ 5.52
13 100% Southeast_English + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.52
14 100% Southeast_English + 0% Altaian @ 5.52
15 100% Southeast_English + 0% Armenian @ 5.52
16 100% Southeast_English + 0% Ashkenazi @ 5.52
17 100% Southeast_English + 0% Assyrian @ 5.52
18 100% Southeast_English + 0% Austrian @ 5.52
19 100% Southeast_English + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 5.52
20 100% Southeast_English + 0% Azeri @ 5.52


If this person is 'purebred' (I know such a thing does not exist but they sound close) does this suggest recent admixture in myself or reflect regional differences in England?
k13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.1% Irish + 20.9% North_Italian @ 3.34
2 85% Irish + 15% West_Sicilian @ 3.36
3 82.3% Irish + 17.7% Tuscan @ 3.38
4 50.4% West_German + 49.6% Southwest_English @ 3.44
5 93.6% Southeast_English + 6.4% Ossetian @ 3.45
6 93.4% Southeast_English + 6.6% Balkar @ 3.47
7 86.9% Irish + 13.1% South_Italian @ 3.47
8 88.4% Irish + 11.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.5
9 91.2% Southwest_English + 8.8% Turkish @ 3.5
10 91.7% Southwest_English + 8.3% Azeri @ 3.52
11 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Abhkasian @ 3.53
12 94.3% Southeast_English + 5.7% Georgian @ 3.54
13 91.4% Southwest_English + 8.6% Turkmen @ 3.54
14 93.4% Southeast_English + 6.6% Kabardin @ 3.54
15 88.2% Irish + 11.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.55
16 86.4% Irish + 13.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.56
17 93.3% Southeast_English + 6.7% Kumyk @ 3.57
18 93.8% Southeast_English + 6.2% North_Ossetian @ 3.57
19 93.6% Southeast_English + 6.4% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.57
20 93.8% Southeast_English + 6.2% Adygei @ 3.59

Kane_Valentine_Walker
09-19-2018, 10:12 AM
A940330

MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.71
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.90
3 Caucasian 23.25
4 Ancestral_Altaic 7.13
5 South_Central_Asian 4.84


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch_ @ 3.348841
2 Frisian_ @ 4.480691
3 Belgian_ @ 4.659381
4 German-Volga_ @ 5.292044
5 South_German_ @ 5.684177
6 Irish_ @ 5.694741
7 English_ @ 5.808403
8 North_European_ @ 6.667609
9 Dane_ @ 6.847067
10 Norwegian_East_ @ 7.263335
11 North_German_ @ 7.349187
12 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 7.869706
13 Swede_ @ 8.049898
14 CEU_ @ 8.209118
15 Austrian_ @ 8.356219
16 Norwegian_West_ @ 8.382527
17 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 8.558599
18 British_ @ 8.607338
19 Icelandic_ @ 8.871739
20 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 9.392570

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch_ +50% Frisian_ @ 3.311753


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Frisian_ +25% German-Volga_ +25% Swede_Saami_ @ 2.556159


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 Frisian_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.556159
2 Belgian_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.625901
3 British_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.778908
4 British_ + Frisian_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.800740
5 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Frisian_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.804457
6 British_ + British_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.813807
7 Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Irish_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.835624
8 Belgian_ + Belgian_ + German-Volga_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.840934
9 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.841929
10 Frisian_ + Orcadian_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.858988
11 Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + German-Volga_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.875533
12 Belgian_ + German-Volga_ + Irish_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.887551
13 Dutch_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.888321
14 British_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.896170
15 French_ + Frisian_ + Frisian_ + Moksha_ @ 2.912291
16 English_Kent_GBR_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.918776
17 British_ + Irish_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.924184
18 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.926064
19 Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + German-Volga_ + Swede_ @ 2.927602
20 Dane_ + Dutch_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ @ 2.928567

Done.

glentane
10-12-2018, 02:37 PM
Here's mine, T740631
South Lancashire all the way down, with the exception of a Cornish greatgreatgrandfather, a Staffordshire greatgrandmother and a Brummie greatgrandmother, all immigrants to the same few parishes just north of Manchester. Both parents' surnames are of very local origin and go back to mediaeval minor gentry in the area (of which there were absolute roaming herds round there; every Tom, Dick and Harry seems to have been a brassick pie-munching <i>hidalgo</i> of some sort, back then).

Eurogenes EU Test
1 North_Sea 40.25
2 Atlantic 24.39
3 Baltic 10.8
4 Eastern_Euro 10.46
5 West_Med 8.9
6 West_Asian 2.14
7 East_Med 1.79
8 Siberian 0.54
9 Northeast_African 0.53
10 Oceanian 0.21

Eurogenes K13
1 North_Atlantic 50.67
2 Baltic 25.79
3 West_Med 12.4
4 East_Med 5.6
5 West_Asian 3.16
6 Siberian 1.25
7 Northeast_African 0.41
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Amerindian 0.16
10 South_Asian 0.07
11 East_Asian 0.05
12 Sub-Saharan 0.05

mildlycurly
10-18-2018, 05:54 PM
PM me for my GEDmatch and Genesis numbers.

My results aren't typically Anglo-Celtic- I have some Romani and Jewish ancestry but I've been told otherwise I'm extremely NW Euro.

Eurogenes K13:

1 North_Atlantic 46.74
2 Baltic 24.07
3 West_Med 14.34
4 West_Asian 9.49
5 East_Med 2.54
6 South_Asian 1.64
7 Amerindian 0.61
8 Oceanian 0.57

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15:

1 North_Sea 37.92
2 Atlantic 22.87
3 Baltic 10.87
4 West_Med 10.37
5 Eastern_Euro 8.64
6 West_Asian 7.46
7 South_Asian 1.2
8 Oceanian 0.32
9 Amerindian 0.25
10 East_Med 0.1

Nqp15hhu
01-11-2019, 08:41 PM
A055025

Northern Irish and Irish. Anybody share anything with me?

jadegreg
08-16-2019, 05:55 PM
Hello all,

I would like to compile a thread that catalogues Eurogenes admixture results for "pure bred" people in Britain and Ireland. I'm requesting either a gedmatch number or Eurogenes EUtest, k13, and k15 results. I think this would be a fun thread for members of the forum to refer to so that they can see the difference (in gedmatch terms) of the different populations of Britain and Ireland. If people are comfortable with it and think it is a good idea, I think it would be very cool to eventually include people from other areas as well. Please let me know if you are willing to let me use your gedmatch info and you want to participate.

Thank you very much

Hi sktibo

Have you come to any conclusions from perusing this data? Are their any common patterns you've observed with respect to the data, such as differences between components for different regions of Britain, common oracles etc. It might also be interesting to look at K36 in addition to Lukasz K47 test in addition to K13/15 tests. I'm sure others here would be interested if you've found anything.

Cheers

sktibo
08-20-2019, 05:17 AM
Edit: looks like I didn't state that I had stopped collecting these, so thanks to everyone who had contributed. I stopped looking into this because much better platforms to compare became available. Ultimately nothing valuable came of this due to these calculators becoming obsolete.

jadegreg
08-20-2019, 01:01 PM
What are you using now for comparisons now? Are you referring to nMonte, PCAs etc?

Yep, I'm a total noob.

sktibo
08-22-2019, 06:33 AM
What are you using now for comparisons now? Are you referring to nMonte, PCAs etc?

Yep, I'm a total noob.

Right now I'm not doing anything actively, it looks like Capitalis has been covering the areas I find most interesting over in the Eurogenes Celtic vs Germanic PCA thread. I've more or less been relaxing and enjoying the conversation. It's a very interesting thread and I think it contains a lot of good info/ideas on the genetics of Britain and Ireland.

Amy
11-07-2019, 03:59 AM
Can anyone cast their eye over my results and give me an opinion? Gedmatch doesn't give me a close match to any population. But the closest seems to be Orcadian or West Scottish which surprises me, as by and large on one side of my family my ancestors are South East English and didn't move around much from their home towns in Essex and surrounding counties.

The notable exceptions I have to this are:

- One set of GGG grandparents who were from Tullamore, Ireland. They were Campbells so it's possible they were originally Scottish.

- One set of GGG grandparents from Devonshire. I could see how this could swing the results South West English.

- One set of great grandparents of whom my great grandmother is of French Huguenot & Welsh descent, and a great grandfather who came en route from the Carribbean so his pre Carribbean roots are a little patchy, some are traceably English, but it's rumoured others were Scottish Covenanters - some of them, anyway, but we're taking about the 1600s.

- One GG grandmother from Nottingham.

These are all on my mother's side - she is a bit of a mutt as she's descended from settlers who were a bit of a mixed bag. But none of them are traceably from Northern England or Scotland. Father's a first generation immigrant from Colchester in the region his family has been living for hundreds of years. What would skew these calcs so much; are the Irish and Welsh ancestors on my mother's side enough to do this? Or are some of my ancestors likely not from where they appear to be? My parentage is not in doubt; I match enough close cousins to link me to my great grandparents.

Kit# SW6793958

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 8.454787
2 Irish @ 9.165651
3 Southwest_English @ 9.884924
4 Orcadian @ 10.773040
5 Southeast_English @ 12.022798
6 North_Dutch @ 12.146136
7 Danish @ 12.847082
8 Norwegian @ 13.257340
9 North_German @ 15.046189
10 Swedish @ 16.686337
11 South_Dutch @ 16.878399
12 West_German @ 18.250357
13 French @ 20.832855
14 North_Swedish @ 23.781359
15 Austrian @ 25.563457
16 East_German @ 26.235834
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 27.249226
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 28.078007
19 Southwest_French @ 28.159531
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 28.301418

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 8.454787


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 8.454787

Greekscholar
11-07-2019, 04:22 AM
Can anyone cast their eye over my results and give me an opinion? Gedmatch doesn't give me a close match to any population. But the closest seems to be Orcadian or West Scottish which surprises me, as by and large on one side of my family my ancestors are South East English and didn't move around much from their home towns in Essex and surrounding counties.

The notable exceptions I have to this are:

- One set of GGG grandparents who were from Tullamore, Ireland. They were Campbells so it's possible they were originally Scottish.

- One set of GGG grandparents from Devonshire. I could see how this could swing the results South West English.

- One set of great grandparents of whom my great grandmother is of French Huguenot & Welsh descent, and a great grandfather who came en route from the Carribbean so his pre Carribbean roots are a little patchy, some are traceably English, but it's rumoured others were Scottish Covenanters - some of them, anyway, but we're taking about the 1600s.

- One GG grandmother from Nottingham.

These are all on my mother's side - she is a bit of a mutt as she's descended from settlers who were a bit of a mixed bag. But none of them are traceably from Northern England or Scotland. Father's a first generation immigrant from Colchester in the region his family has been living for hundreds of years. What would skew these calcs so much; are the Irish and Welsh ancestors on my mother's side enough to do this? Or are some of my ancestors likely not from where they appear to be? My parentage is not in doubt; I match enough close cousins to link me to my great grandparents.

Kit# SW6793958

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 8.454787
2 Irish @ 9.165651
3 Southwest_English @ 9.884924
4 Orcadian @ 10.773040
5 Southeast_English @ 12.022798
6 North_Dutch @ 12.146136
7 Danish @ 12.847082
8 Norwegian @ 13.257340
9 North_German @ 15.046189
10 Swedish @ 16.686337
11 South_Dutch @ 16.878399
12 West_German @ 18.250357
13 French @ 20.832855
14 North_Swedish @ 23.781359
15 Austrian @ 25.563457
16 East_German @ 26.235834
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 27.249226
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 28.078007
19 Southwest_French @ 28.159531
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 28.301418

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 8.454787


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 8.454787

I have run your kit number through many different tests on GEDmatch, and they all seem to be showing low, but consistent, amounts of Sub-Saharan African DNA. Based on what you posted, your Caribbean ancestor could be the source. I think that is why your Oracle distances are rather high for someone who otherwise does look pretty NW Euro on these calculators.

Amy
11-07-2019, 09:36 AM
I thought there was a higher amount of African than usual, but I've been told that that was likely ancestral. But I would have thought NE African was more typical for a European, remnants of South European migration - 23 & Me's latest update gives me trace Italian.

Some Gedmatch calculators give me trace amounts of unusual populations like Biaka Pygmy. The Biaka/Aka were common in the Carribbean. Based on the weird trace amounts I had a wild theory about a member of a nomadic population kidnapped by Angolan slave traders.

But that's just wild speculation; my Bajan ancestor was European at least as far as I can trace. Some of his ancestors were recorded slavers, and he had enough money to leave the island in 1910, but was still pretty poor, sleeping 4-5 kids to a bed. His children, including
my grandmother, never even saw his birthplace, but she too spoke in a thick accent, which sounded like a mix of West Indian, Scottish and Irish. "Cows" were "cohs" etc. Nothing like the modern Bajans I've heard speak who seem to swing Jamaican with an American lilt, which I'd get slapped for saying. Found a vid of an old black Bajan speaking and he was a lot more like my great uncle.

Wish I had more on that line as it's a heck of an interesting place, but storms have seen a lot of records destroyed and some were never taken down in the first place. I've seen a lot of copies of the originals and 'mulatto' is scrawled accusingly in beautiful handwriting next to the entry above that for an ancestor of mine. Confronting stuff to read. Some of the records are painstakingly made, others are barely legible and my ancestors names morphed over time due to pronunciation and presumably literacy barriers. So he was completely Euro as far as we can tell, but DNA from one ancestor in the 1600-1700s could be just about completely gone, and the only photo I have of the guy is really bad. They were bronzed, but that could be from time outdoors or Southern European. And they were short enough to be either Biaka or Scottish Picts!

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Sikeliot
11-07-2019, 12:37 PM
I have a lot of Irish and English GEDmatch results. I posted them in a thread. Let me know what you'd like to see, I could show you MOST regions of Ireland.

Björnsson
11-07-2019, 01:07 PM
Yes, but forgive me, I'm simply suggesting that if any of my ancestors in the 18th and 19th centuries had been recorded as Jewish, Roman Catholic, etc. That could be suggestive evidence of recent immigration. I don't see any of that evidence. That's all. I'm not trying to play for some sort of purity or bigotry. I'm not trying to prove anything. Just stating that I have not yet found any evidence of recent of immigration in my documented family tree.

Edit
In addition, even if it matters, I think it's a stretch to link British Methodism to Huguenot immigrations. As for early Baptists, sure there were some early kinks to the Netherlands. The first Baptist church was launched in the Netherlands by an Englishman. But again, not really a link of being founded in Britain by recent immigrants.

By the way, it wasn't just the Huguenots that immigrated here. There was for an example, a significant immigration of the "Strangers" into Norwich much earlier, representing earlier but more local to me, immigration of Protestant refugees from the Low Countries.

Many English families today have recent Irish ancestry in their trees, often represented for example by Roman Catholicism in their family. Southern European again, might be indicated by Catholicism. They wouldn't have needed to hide it the past two hundred years at all. Equally with Judaism, etc.

So when I say, that I have only English denominations in my tree, I feel that I'm simply saying this as additional evidence supporting that I have no record of anything but English ancestry. I'm not saying that I don't have immigration hidden somewhere, or that it proves anything.Then again, if you're a Northerner, you can count on Popery at least into the time of Cromwell, or even the Regency--in my case. My kin became Anglican after the Jacobites lost, but remained locally tied to Papists until they moved into Leeds, about the time Infallibility was declared. Urban Anglicanism didn't work very well, since we were not long members of the parish, so some branches of the family took to Methodism and Mormonism, as they moved on to Halifax and Bradford. Metropolitan life is not kind to liturgical worship, but radicalism flourishes. Oddly enough, that led to not just marriages with Congregationalists and Baptists, but there's a significant Irish influx of Romanists in this same scenario. That breaks everyone down to a sort of non-denominational Christianity.

Ormsworm
05-12-2020, 08:55 PM
I thought it worth contributing, seems as my results portray a rather different story.
Both my parents come from very rural British families , from different ends of the country, my father comes from northern Cumbria (all documented English, some Lancashire and some Yorkshire, although not a lot). We have traced back to rural Cumbria to around 1600.

My mother comes from rural west wales, from a welsh speaking family - however one grandmother came from Yorkshire in this side. I would be really interested to hear if you have any valuable interpretations here, as I have no idea what a typical British result should be like. My results are as follows:

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K15

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.397368
2 Southeast_English @ 3.793971
3 West_Scottish @ 3.812973
4 Southwest_English @ 4.616103
5 North_Dutch @ 4.815078
6 Danish @ 4.867485
7 Orcadian @ 6.192846
8 North_German @ 6.463421
9 Norwegian @ 8.630272
10 South_Dutch @ 9.048936
11 West_Norwegian @ 9.482421
12 Swedish @ 9.952909
13 West_German @ 11.372940
14 North_Swedish @ 12.741563
15 French @ 14.121313
16 East_German @ 15.025238
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.265369
18 Austrian @ 19.978468
19 Hungarian @ 20.934414
20 Finnish @ 21.282547

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 3.202488


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Southwest_English @ 3.061345


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.636044
2 French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.795166
3 French_Basque + North_Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.834997
4 French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.901356
5 French_Basque + Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.980463
6 French_Basque + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.998946
7 Danish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.032496
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.061345
9 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 3.063636
10 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.093075
11 Danish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.119874
12 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.131754
13 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.139617
14 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.171649
15 Danish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.177108
16 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 3.179089
17 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.184908
18 Danish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 3.188362
19 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 3.199007
20 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.202488

K13

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 3.439113
2 North_Dutch @ 3.461265
3 Danish @ 3.881709
4 Southeast_English @ 4.086827
5 Norwegian @ 5.028830
6 Irish @ 5.357831
7 West_Scottish @ 5.599052
8 North_German @ 5.773954
9 Southwest_English @ 5.831639
10 Swedish @ 7.096549
11 South_Dutch @ 8.858898
12 West_German @ 10.185679
13 North_Swedish @ 13.303694
14 East_German @ 14.803706
15 Austrian @ 14.805397
16 French @ 15.333448
17 Hungarian @ 20.038902
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.154301
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.220751
20 Southwest_French @ 23.956728

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Southeast_English @ 2.475140


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Swedish @ 2.371686


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.052100
2 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.193836
3 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.237405
4 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.292953
5 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.302967
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.308339
7 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.308342
8 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.371686
9 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.400114
10 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.442644
11 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.455396
12 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.475140
13 Irish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.479853
14 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.486502
15 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.538858
16 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.545613
17 Danish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.580249
18 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.585080
19 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.599736