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Deftextra
09-28-2016, 03:12 AM
Where is its highest frequency, place of origin, etc?

Thanks

Morges
09-28-2016, 10:33 AM
Look this paper: http://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-12-234

B2oubsi
04-12-2017, 02:54 PM
Hi, Im berber from Northern Morocco,

My maternal haplogroup is M1a3a, a typical indigenous North African haplogroup.

Rwaka
06-10-2019, 04:52 AM
I'm Tutsi from Rwanda and my haplogroup is M1a1f

palamede
06-10-2019, 07:29 AM
I'm Tutsi from Rwanda and my haplogroup is M1a1f

I'm not a specialist, but it seems me your Y-hg E1b1b--M293 and your mt-hg M1 comes from Soudan and Ethiopia with Couchitic pastoralists which mixed with Nilotics to form Tutsis , Himas , Turkanas, Massais and other peoples. More recently , some adopted the language of the Bantus who were the majority in their new regions and there has been a beginning of mixings when no slaughterings.

Rwaka
06-10-2019, 09:08 AM
Yes E-M293 is responsible for the spread of pastoralism in South Eastern Africa and Southern Africa. A recent study about the introduction of pastoralism in Sub Saharan Africa, most of the samples that were founded were also E-M293 Y-dna.

Rwaka
06-10-2019, 09:09 AM
I'm not a specialist, but it seems me your Y-hg E1b1b--M293 and your mt-hg M1 comes from Soudan and Ethiopia with Couchitic pastoralists which mixed with Nilotics to form Tutsis , Himas , Turkanas, Massais and other peoples. More recently , some adopted the language of the Bantus who were the majority in their new regions and there has been a beginning of mixings when no slaughterings.

Yes E-M293 is responsible for the spread of pastoralism in South Eastern Africa and Southern Africa. A recent study about the introduction of pastoralism in Sub Saharan Africa, most of the samples that were found were also E-M293 Y-dna. Yeah M1a1 is from the horn. But most of the Tutsis carry local hunter gatherer maternal haplogroups. Very few carry middle eastern mtdnas too.

NetNomad
06-10-2019, 11:16 AM
Yeah M1a1 is from the horn.

M1 did not originate in the Horn. It most likely is an early back-to-Africa lineage that re-entered Africa via the Sinai.

But I guess you mean Tutsis got it via Horn, but even that is a dubious claim as studies show that the South Cushites descend from a North Sudanese population and migrated through Ethiopia rather quickly and did not have a long history there.

Rwaka
06-10-2019, 11:48 AM
M1 did not originate in the Horn. It most likely is an early back-to-Africa lineage that re-entered Africa via the Sinai.

But I guess you mean Tutsis got it via Horn, but even that is a dubious claim as studies show that the South Cushites descend from a North Sudanese population and migrated through Ethiopia rather quickly and did not have a long history there.

Yes I meant the clade M1a1f. I know M1 is also a Eurasian haplogroup. Oh do you have those studies? I'm interested in reading them.

NetNomad
06-10-2019, 11:54 AM
Yes I meant the clade M1a1f. I know M1 is also a Eurasian haplogroup. Oh do you have those studies? I'm interested in reading them.

The deeper the subclade the easier it is to pinpoint the origins. So yeah, your subclade of M1 is likely from South Cushites who passed through Ethiopia.

But I think the Paleolithic Horn mostly only had L0, L4, L6, and certain types of L3 (not all of them). Most of the other maternal lineages found in the Horn today come from the North Sudanese Neolithic Pastoralists.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_PrendergastLipsonSawchuk_Science_PastoralNeol ithic.pdf

Alfa
06-10-2019, 10:52 PM
M1 did not originate in the Horn. It most likely is an early back-to-Africa lineage that re-entered Africa via the Sinai.

But I guess you mean Tutsis got it via Horn, but even that is a dubious claim as studies show that the South Cushites descend from a North Sudanese population and migrated through Ethiopia rather quickly and did not have a long history there.

I agree with you that the south cushites didnt spend much time in Ethiopia, but I think their ancestors were also in Eritrea. There is 1 guy (likely from Eritrea) who claimed to have number of eritreans relatives with E-M293 who tested on 23andme.

NetNomad
06-11-2019, 01:58 PM
I agree with you that the south cushites didnt spend much time in Ethiopia, but I think their ancestors were also in Eritrea. There is 1 guy (likely from Eritrea) who claimed to have number of eritreans relatives with E-M293 who tested on 23andme.

According to Trombetta et al:

''We observed the highest frequency and diversity of this haplogroup in the northern part of the Horn of Africa (present day Eritrea and northern Ethiopia), where the majority of the deepest E-V1515 subhaplogroups and paragroups were found. In the southern part of the Horn (southern Ethiopia, Somalia and northern Kenya), haplogroup E-V1515 is almost exclusively represented by the recent (3.5 ka; 95% CI: 1.7–5.9 ka) subhaplogroup E-V1486. Further south, in southern Kenya and southern Africa, a single E-V1486 terminal clade, known as E-M293 (Henn et al. 2008), was found (fig. 3). This phylogeographic pattern is strongly suggestive of human movements from the northern part of the Horn to the Ethiopian/Kenyan borders between 12 ka (the coalescence of E-V1515) and 3.5 ka (the coalescence of E-V1486), and from here toward southern Africa across the equatorial belt in more recent times.[2]''

Which is also in agreement with the hypothesized more northerly ENP population (p. 13) in this study:

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_PrendergastLipsonSawchuk_Science_PastoralNeol ithic.pdf

Deftextra
02-11-2021, 12:36 AM
New Somali added to the M1a1 MT tree m1a1d2 with TMRCA 5000. There is a chance I belong to this line, since I ran my uncles raw DNA data with jameslick and predicted it as M1a1d.

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/M1a1d2/

NetNomad
02-11-2021, 06:31 AM
New Somali added to the M1a1 MT tree m1a1d2 with TMRCA 5000. There is a chance I belong to this line, since I ran my uncles raw DNA data with jameslick and predicted it as M1a1d.

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/M1a1d2/

Interesting that an Afram from the States also got it. Either it is a half Horner Afram (more common these days) or a regular one with a maternal lineage going to Kenya or Madagascar (a few of them do).

Numidian
02-11-2021, 10:27 PM
Interesting that an Afram from the States also got it. Either it is a half Horner Afram (more common these days) or a regular one with a maternal lineage going to Kenya or Madagascar (a few of them do).

It's probably not that interesting. That sample seems to be from Full mtGenome reference data: Development and characterization of 588 forensic-quality haplotypes representing three U.S. populations (https://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(14)00211-7/fulltext) and ultimately comes from the Department of Defense Serum Repository. The repository just keeps basic ethnic/racial identification so it's probably from an immigrant or 1st generation military recruit of Horn African descent.

NetNomad
02-11-2021, 11:32 PM
It's probably not that interesting. That sample seems to be from Full mtGenome reference data: Development and characterization of 588 forensic-quality haplotypes representing three U.S. populations (https://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(14)00211-7/fulltext) and ultimately comes from the Department of Defense Serum Repository. The repository just keeps basic ethnic/racial identification so it's probably from an immigrant or 1st generation military recruit of Horn African descent.

Ah, thanks. Some Aframs do exist with rather rare East African and/or Malagasy lineages, seen a couple on 23andMe. However, it is probably more likely a 1st/2nd gen migrant in this case.

Ashina
04-15-2021, 10:34 AM
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/M1a8/

^My dadís subclade. Itís a very rare haplogroup in Turkey and his matches are way too old to make something out of them, unfortunately.