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Judith
09-29-2016, 09:03 PM
Dear all
I am looking for a heat map of the modern H4 distribution across Europe and the Near East. Does anyone know of one please that is not copyright? I am thinking of something like the 23&me map, and in an ideal world it would gave the 2007 North Africa (Berber tribe) results of Roostalu too.

Also does anyone know where H4c occurs in the world?
Thanks

C J Wyatt III
09-30-2016, 02:00 PM
Dear all
I am looking for a heat map of the modern H4 distribution across Europe and the Near East. Does anyone know of one please that is not copyright? I am thinking of something like the 23&me map, and in an ideal world it would gave the 2007 North Africa (Berber tribe) results of Roostalu too.

Also does anyone know where H4c occurs in the world?
Thanks

Judith,

I see two H4c1's on the H4 Project (are you the Judith who is an administrator?) and the same ones on the H/HV Project. That is pretty sparse. Do you know of any others which are H4c?

Right now, if someone told me that the H4c's branched off a thousand years ago, I would not believe them. I'd say that the date was a lot closer, but what do I know.

Very interesting!

Jack Wyatt

astondive
09-30-2016, 06:03 PM
Not sure if this is what you're looking for, it's my mums Britain's DNA she is also H4a1a1a1a1

11893

Hope the attachment works.

Judith
10-01-2016, 01:18 PM
According to Behar (2013) the date of the mutation is 2588 years ago with an SD ((uncertainty) of 5697years. On a personal basis when I see uncertainties in a measurement which are larger than the value I do wonder about the necessity of using so many significant figures!
So H4c mutation was sometime between 8000 years ago and now. Given how few samples there are then it is either a recent mutation as Jack suggests above or from a population which is undersampled by either academics or commercial testing companies. At present no-one knows?
I look forward to finding out, if someone knows, which modern countries it occurs in!

C J Wyatt III
10-01-2016, 02:14 PM
Thank you, Judith

The date versus Standard Deviation is a great credibility check. When I look at something, even if it is not my field, I try to find such checks on whether what is being presented makes sense. Here's another one in regards to mtDNA. The James Lick tool usually does not give an absolute placement in a particular subclade, but suggests several in order of likeliness. If someone can give a date that a split occurred a long time ago with precision, there should be little doubt as to the classification of the subject's haplogroup.

I am glad to see a person take a look at this question like you are doing.

Jack

astondive
10-01-2016, 03:15 PM
Hello Judith,
I'm unable to send a PM as I have not contributed enough posts yet.
I'm glad the map is of interest.
Sorry I have no software skills on gene banks it's way beyond me too, I'm struggling to understand my own DNA.

astondive
10-02-2016, 06:47 PM
Hello Judith.
I copied from my Britains DNA account, That' the company I used to test my DNA.

palamede
10-15-2016, 07:48 PM
Not sure if this is what you're looking for, it's my mums Britain's DNA she is also H4a1a1a1a1

11893

Hope the attachment works.

I don't understand the meaning of he map and where the frequencies come from. It seems me it is too high to be the frequenc of H4 and it doesn't correspond to the known frequencies of H, nor to any branch of H.

Judith
10-16-2016, 09:56 PM
Thanks palamede
I thought there was something funny too. The figure is certainly not H4 all the values are too high. I am slowly trawling through the papers. I cannot find any of those values in the literature for any other H branch either. At least with some sites such as http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml you can find where the figures come from.

astondive
10-17-2016, 05:30 PM
This is the heading for the map:-

World Distribution of the H Haplogroup

and this is the explanation:-

Since the markers which define your haplogroup first arose, they have been spread far and wide by the migrations of people over many millennia. The frequency estimated for each population relates to the whereabouts of your haplogroup about 1500, in the era before inter-continental travel.

When a country is greyed out it means that we do not at present have data to plot, it does not mean that your haplogroup is not found there. A graduated colour scale is provided to highlight where your group is common and rare. When a country is coloured the lightest colour, it means that reasonable numbers have been tested but that your haplogroup has not been found there.

A list of the populations tested is provided with their frequencies shown descending from highest to lowest. In some cases the figures relate to a particular people within that country.

The results for the world distribution have been brought to you from a combination of the published literature, our own data and databases available from other research projects.

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palamede
10-17-2016, 09:28 PM
It doesn't correspond to

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml

R.Rocca
11-12-2016, 02:22 PM
Dear all
I am looking for a heat map of the modern H4 distribution across Europe and the Near East. Does anyone know of one please that is not copyright? I am thinking of something like the 23&me map, and in an ideal world it would gave the 2007 North Africa (Berber tribe) results of Roostalu too.

Also does anyone know where H4c occurs in the world?
Thanks

Hello Judith,

Below is a zoomed in version of the only academic frequency map I've ever seen for H4.

As long as you give a source, you should be OK with re-using it. The study is the following:

New Population and Phylogenetic Features of the Internal Variation within Mitochondrial DNA Macro-Haplogroup R0
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0005112

http://r1b.org/imgs/mtDNA_H4_Frequency.png