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johen
10-08-2016, 06:26 AM
In the japanese website regarding famous person's Hg, Q-M346 is the royal Hg in shang dynasty, when the civilization started in China. I don't know how they found the royal hg to be related with Q. There has been no genetic research paper regarding shang. I heard that some mexican had the Q-M346.


古代中国・殷の末代王である帝辛紂王(在位:BC1075-BC1046)のY染色体は、ハプログループQ1a2(Q-M346)であると推定される(注1)(注2)
http://famousdna.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/Y%E6%9F%93%E8%89%B2%E4%BD%93Q%E7%B3%BB%E7%B5%B1

I think that shang dynasty is related with Indo european and american Indian civilization, especially Mayan. So I think shang people was related to american Indian, staying in Altai with the same recipe(idea or philosophy) from their ancestor as ancient Mayan had.

shang's horse burial similar to shintasha's
http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20080215-chariot%20osu.jpg

1. KC Chang, Harvard University professor of Archeology and Anthropology described shang civilization as China-Maya Continuum. It means two civilizations had the same origin.


Chinese civilization and American civilizations are actually the descendants of the same ancestors, from different locations and times. KC Chang called this entire cultural background "the Mayan-Chinese Culture Continuum.” The geographical scope of this continuum covers the entire Old World and the New World. Their time dates back much further than the origin of Chinese civilization, or the Mayan civilization, and at least as early as the Upper Paleolithic Period.
Based on this point of view, the Paleolithic ancestors, their culture, in particular the level of development of the arts, ideas and ideology, far exceed how we view them from limited archaeological data. As such, we often underestimate the level of their culture.
20,000-30,000 years ago when most of the Indigenous groups passed through the Bering Strait from Asia to the Americas, they brought along a culture with unexpected richness. This extended to the New World and became known as "the Mayan-Chinese culture continuum. Its core element comprised of "sorcery and shaman culture". When viewing the world, they divided it into different levels, and the shaman interchanged between the different levels. They engaged in this communication, some aides and tools: various law , which may include a gourd, alcohol, drugs, a variety of animals and a heaven-earth pole.
20,000 to 30,000 years ago, people journeyed across the Bering Strait to the New World. During this process, they were said to have brought over a variety of cultural background. From this rich basis of culture, similar societies were formed at different places and different times. This included the Bronze Age civilization that occurred two to three thousand years ago in China, the Mayan civilization in Mexico, as well as other similar civilizations.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=sP-...tinuum&f=false

2. Moreover, Old Chinese language was lots of IE borrowings.
http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp007_old_chinese.pdf

- The Riddle of the White `Mummies' Of Ancient China,
By Dr. Alexander Jacob


It is known that the Chinese borrowed a number of words dealing with wheels and chariots from Indo-European sources. Archeology tells us that the art of making spoked wheels, and thus chariots light enough to be drawn by horses, was developed at the western end of Asia, around the southern Urals, in the third and early second millennia B.C. We do not know for certain that the mummy people used chariots, but given the known facts, it seems likely that they did, and that they transmitted this know-how to the Shan tribe of Chinese. There is no doubt that a sizable chunk of ancient Chinese vocabulary came from Indo-European—not only to do with chariotry, but also in architecture, divination, healing and other matters.

3. artifacts similar to mayan's.

4. lots of pyramids in China.
http://www.ancientpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/chinesepyram1.jpg

Ancient records preserved in an old monastery near the Mongolian border describe the Xian pyramid.

The structure was said to measure 1,000 feet in height which made it the highest pyramid in the world (the Great Pyramid of Egypt is 450 feet in height).

According to the monastic documents the pyramid was already extremely old when the records were made.
In the valleys surrounding the Xian pyramid were dozens of other pyramids, some rising to an elevation almost as great.
Surviving traces of original pigments show that the Xian pyramid was painted with different colours on each on its four flanks.
The east side was bluish grey, with white facing the west, black on the north, and red on the south.

It should be noted that other ancient monuments such as the Maya, Aztecs, and many Indian tribes of North America associated the four cardinal directions with different colours.


In 1994, archaeologists discovered several pyramids near the Wei River, north of Xian. Hausdorf estimates there may be as many 90 to 100 pyramids in China, including the White Pyramid which is the highest of them all. All of them are mostly unheard of in the Western world.
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/mysterious-great-pyramid-of-china-almost-totally-unknown-even-to-most-chinese/

Lathdrinor
10-13-2016, 02:41 AM
I don't know how they found the royal hg to be related with Q. There has been no genetic research paper regarding shang. I heard that some mexican had the Q-M346.

The answer is they didn't. The information comes from a random blog author who cites no actual evidence besides his own opinion about Native American-Shang continuity at a superficial level. In effect it's the same argument as what you just posted, except the author also believes in some weird crack pot theory about ancient Egyptians being Mongoloids and founders of Chinese dynasties.

johen
10-13-2016, 03:51 AM
The answer is they didn't. The information comes from a random blog author who cites no actual evidence besides his own opinion about Native American-Shang continuity at a superficial level. In effect it's the same argument as what you just posted, except the author also believes in some weird crack pot theory about ancient Egyptians being Mongoloids and founders of Chinese dynasties.

1. Who do you think built lots of pyramid in China?


https://s3.postimg.org/yq3lfkk1f/Capture.png
see the artifacts with big almond eyes. First one: maya, second one: axe for human sacrifice in shang, third : shu culture in sichuan of China.

Megalophias
10-13-2016, 03:56 AM
I heard that some mexican had the Q-M346.

Q1a2-M346 is the dominant haplogroup among Amerindians. But it is around 20 000 years old and has many branches, some in the Old World and some in the New, which separated from one another 15 000 years ago or more, so this has nothing to do with Shang and Mayans. Q-M346 is presently found in northern Han Chinese at a frequency of about 0.4%, less in the south. It is more common, but still quite rare, among minority groups in NW China. This may be Q-L330 or Q-L53*, both of which are found in Turkic-speaking peoples. Q-M3, the main Amerindian form, is not found in China at all.

johen
10-13-2016, 06:02 AM
Q1a2-M346 is the dominant haplogroup among Amerindians. But it is around 20 000 years old and has many branches, some in the Old World and some in the New, which separated from one another 15 000 years ago or more, so this has nothing to do with Shang and Mayans. Q-M346 is presently found in northern Han Chinese at a frequency of about 0.4%, less in the south. It is more common, but still quite rare, among minority groups in NW China. This may be Q-L330 or Q-L53*, both of which are found in Turkic-speaking peoples. Q-M3, the main Amerindian form, is not found in China at all.

some smart chinese got a picture from the long-time archaeological claim of the following migration:from shang to american civilization.
(american Indian should have rode horses 1,500bc)

http://www.ancient-encounters.com/AESE/Encounters_files/shapeimage_4.png

I think sooner or later Xian pyramid will open.

johen
10-23-2016, 02:53 AM
Q1a2-M346 is the dominant haplogroup among Amerindians. But it is around 20 000 years old and has many branches, some in the Old World and some in the New, which separated from one another 15 000 years ago or more, so this has nothing to do with Shang and Mayans. Q-M346 is presently found in northern Han Chinese at a frequency of about 0.4%, less in the south. It is more common, but still quite rare, among minority groups in NW China. This may be Q-L330 or Q-L53*, both of which are found in Turkic-speaking peoples. Q-M3, the main Amerindian form, is not found in China at all.

The Q1a2-M346 is Q1a3, isn't it?
I think that the Q brought indo-european language to shang. And the neolithic Q people in lake baikal had the same language of R1a1, who may be a direct ancestor of scythian speaking Indo-Iranian.

Maternal and Paternal Polymorphisms in Prehistoric Siberian Populations of Lake Baikal

Individuals from Lokomotiv and Shamanka II were found to possess haplogroups K, R1a1 and C3, and individuals from Ust’-Ida and Kurma XI were found to belong to haplogroups Q, K and unidentified SNP (L914). For those individuals belonging to haplogroup Q, further experimentation to examine sub-haplogroups of Q revealed that these individuals belong to sub-haplogroup Q1a3

https://s12.postimg.org/sotpekpl9/Capture.png

johen
10-23-2016, 05:54 AM
the Pazyryk SCYTHIAN culture.


http://www.archaeology.org/news/4872...-pazyryk-grave


GORNO-ALTAISK, RUSSIA—The Siberian Timesreports that a 2,500-year-old grave from the Pazyryk culture has been found in the Altai Mountains. The grave was looted in antiquity, but still contained the remains of an adult and a child or teenager, who had been buried with two small bronze mirrors, ceramics, gold foil, and wearing fur garments. Their heads, however, had been removed and placed at their knees. Nikita Konstantinov of Gorno-Altaisk State University said the Pazyryks often buried defeated enemies without their heads, since they made the skulls into bowls. “But this is obviously a different case,” he said. It is possible that the heads were detached when the grave was looted, but the rest of the skeletons remained undisturbed. Konstantinov and his team will try to determine the age and sex of the skeletons, and study the cervical vertebrae to try to learn more about how the heads were removed. “We have no similar cases, so we need to investigate this one very thoroughly,” he said.

American Indian culture:

A 3,000 year-old village discovered in central California has been found to contain an unusual set of burials — with more than a half dozen individuals buried without their heads, and nearly as many others buried intact, with an extra skull by their side.
In two of the graves, the crowns of the severed skulls had even been fashioned into smooth, polished bowls
http://westerndigs.org/severed-heads...s-study-finds/

western scythian

According to Herodotus' Histories, Scythians killed their enemies and made their skulls into drinking cups.

johen
10-23-2016, 05:03 PM
Pazyryk SCYTHIANs are iron age altai people, aren't they?

The admixture seems to say that iron age altai people get their genes from Okunevo, american indian who were altai natives from Malta boy 24,000y ago.

https://s31.postimg.org/5qn0sb09n/Capture2.png

Anthrologist C. Brace also mentioned that mongol bronze crania specimen be close to Native american


Mongolia is a long way east of any of the other samples used, but it has previously been shown that the Mongolian Bronze Age sample is unrelated to modern Mongols and has more in common with prehistoric Europeans and the Native Americans of the United States-Canada border.

Hollard et al., Strong genetic admixture in the Altai at the Middle Bronze Age


In the same way, the patrilineal gene pool revealed the presence of different haplogroups (Q1a2a1-L54, R1a1a1b2-Z93 and C),

johen
10-24-2016, 06:32 AM
Pazyryk hairstyle
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/PazyrikHorseman.JPG

american indian mohawk hairstyle

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Short_Mohawk.jpg

johen
11-02-2016, 03:34 PM
^ I think it was chicken hairstyle.

But it was bird's.
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/wp-content/uploads/files/2012/April/MAIC_HULU_2012_05.jpg

Kurd people have old scythian tradition of the following dance, which looks like american indian bird dance.

Scythian Origin of the Kurds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6F1X7Df7PQ
https://s17.postimg.org/q7loignr3/Capture.png
http://thexfrontrange.com/files/2012/06/native-american-rain-dance-600x630.jpg

Huitzilopochtli
11-02-2016, 04:08 PM
The Q1a2-M346 is Q1a3, isn't it?
I think that the Q brought indo-european language to shang. And the neolithic Q people in lake baikal had the same language of R1a1, who may be a direct ancestor of scythian speaking Indo-Iranian.

Maternal and Paternal Polymorphisms in Prehistoric Siberian Populations of Lake Baikal


https://s12.postimg.org/sotpekpl9/Capture.png

They might have spoken Yeniseian languages. Xiongnu as a Yeniseian language seems very viable and at least one Xiongnu group spoke a Yeniseian language (the Jie). The Yeniseians may have adopted IE culture early on and displaced Afanas'evo culture with Okunevo and later displaced Andronovo culture with Karasuk culture.

johen
11-02-2016, 04:32 PM
They might have spoken Yeniseian languages. Xiongnu as a Yeniseian language seems very viable and at least one Xiongnu group spoke a Yeniseian language (the Jie). The Yeniseians may have adopted IE culture early on and displaced Afanas'evo culture with Okunevo and later displaced Andronovo culture with Karasuk culture.

Xiongu was related with Q1a1, not Q1a2.

"A study of 2010 [137] analysed six human remains of a nomadic group, excavated fromPengyang County. From the mtDNA, six haplotypes were identified as three haplogroups: C, D4 and M10. The analyses revealed that these individuals were closely associated with the ancient Xiongnu and modern northern Asians. The analysis of Y chromosomes from four male samples that were typed as haplogroup Q-M242(all Q1a1-M120)[138]indicated that these people had originated in Siberia."

By the way, who do you think brought Indoeuropean language into china shang dynasty(1,600bc)?
I think they were the same people who built the Xian pyramid. I am 100% sure that they were not R people. I think Q1a2 people did that, considering their culture.

shang:
- horse and chariot
http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20080215-chariot%20osu.jpg

-human sacrifice
https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/user/millerg/ANTH_151/IMAGES/A151Unit3images/chinabodies.jpg

johen
11-07-2016, 05:43 PM
Xiongu was related with Q1a1, not Q1a2.


By the way, who do you think brought Indoeuropean language into china shang dynasty(1,600bc)?
I think they were the same people who built the Xian pyramid. I am 100% sure that they were not R people. I think Q1a2 people did that, considering their culture.

shang:

-human sacrifice
https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/user/millerg/ANTH_151/IMAGES/A151Unit3images/chinabodies.jpg

Compare Cahokia American Indian human sacrifice missing heads and hands also:
http://lithiccastinglab.com/images/mound72headlessburials.jpg

johen
11-13-2016, 12:54 AM
^ I think it was chicken hairstyle.

But it was bird's.
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/wp-content/uploads/files/2012/April/MAIC_HULU_2012_05.jpg

Kurd people have old scythian tradition of the following dance, which looks like american indian bird dance.

Scythian Origin of the Kurds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6F1X7Df7PQ
https://s17.postimg.org/q7loignr3/Capture.png
http://thexfrontrange.com/files/2012/06/native-american-rain-dance-600x630.jpg

Mandan Native American Man With Braids, Spotted Bull
{IMAGE DELETED DUE TO COPYRIGHT VIOLATION}

Traditional Slavic Hair Styles: http://www.slavorum.org/forum/discussion/2760/traditional-slavic-hair-styles-male-and-female
http://www.slovacivosvete.sk/data/att/525_obr.jpg

Yazidi man with plaited hair. Northern Iraq:
https://s12.postimg.org/oj0m25yp9/abc.jpg



==> Magyar people shaved their head except three long braids. you can see the braids of magyar horseman also.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=dvV...20long&f=false
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Rajzom.JPG

==> I think the source of this hair style was american indian in Alati

Agamemnon
11-13-2016, 01:28 AM
What on earth is going on here?

Awale
11-13-2016, 02:34 AM
Yeah... Someone's mistaken Anthrogenica for a "raceboard" or something. :|

ADW_1981
11-13-2016, 02:40 AM
I'm pretty much concluding there is no connection between any of it, not the language, not the haplogroups, not even the hair.

johen
11-13-2016, 03:18 AM
What on earth is going on here?

I think everythings are related with Q1a2.
When I have studied Indo-Euroepean, especially yamna, I learnt that the yamna was related to north American Indian mound culture. Especially sintashta leads me to china shang dynasty. I knew that the shang dynasty was closely related with central american indian Q1a2.
The problem is the Q1a2 was always with R1a1 from neolithic and bronze in Altai. And iron age R1a1 is scythian, who had american Indian culture. This Q1a2 culture survived until Magyar and even recently in some area.
However, that is all my research, not a fact proved by any other people. So I posted to ask other member opinion.

AJL
11-13-2016, 03:19 AM
Please see our Terms of Service (http://www.anthrogenica.com/faq.php) sections 3.10 and 3.11. I am closing this thread for reasons others have noted.