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DMXX
08-08-2012, 09:11 PM
Post yours in this thread and feel free to update the community on new results.

I've experienced a sudden boon in mine. As of 8/08/2012, they (excluding matches with those either showing no information or only listing New World countries) currently are;

Europe


Dutch-German (3-1) 5.4cM
Irish (full) 6.7cM
Swedish-Hungarian (2-2) 5.1cM
Greek (full) 5.3cM
Swiss (full) 5.3cM
Serbian (full) 5.1cM
Russian-Unknown (2-2) 5.3cM

Near-East

Iranian (full) 8.8cM
Iranian (full) 6.6cM
Iranian (full, Zoroastrian) 4.8cM
Iranian (full) 5.7cM
Iranian-British (2-2) 6.4cM

South Asia

Pakistani-Indian-Unknown (1-1-2) 6.2cM

Africa

South African (full) 5.2cM

Americas

Russian-German-American (2-1-1) 7.1cM
Chilean (Sephardic, full) 5.9cM
Italian-American (2-2) 5.9cM
Ukrainian-American (1-2) 5cM
American Euro mix (pre. Irish) 5.9cM
American Euro mix (Russian, Polish, Finnish, Irish) 5.5cM
American (British) 5.3cM
American Euro mix (Ireland, Lithuania, Italy, Greece) 5.2cM
Ashkenazi Jewish American (full) 5.1cM
Ashkenazi Jewish American (full) 5.3cM
Polish-Slovakian-American (2-1-1) 5.2cM
American Euro mix (Swedish, Bavarian, Polish?, Irish) 5.2cM

Some very quick comments on trends;
- Most of the Euro descent matches seem to be Eastern European (particularly Poland and Russia), Irish or Italian.
- The only Near-Eastern matches I have are with other Iranians, including a Zoroastrian from Yazd on my X-Chromosome, indicating I share a recent ancestor with them on my Persian maternal side.
- None of my Armenian Relative Finder matches (of which there are three) have elected to place their information on AF.

AJL
08-08-2012, 11:02 PM
Well, I do have a 4GP from Iran, 7.3 cM, but not quite as many as you. :)

I suspect matches at ~5 - ~6.5 cM and sometimes higher might be of questionable validity or remote antiquity, just based on some cases I have seen comparing people's matches over several generations. Ann Turner wrote a very astute piece about this.

A quick look at mine at 5 cM, 4 grandparents, primarily colonial un-checked:

Russia 7.4%
Ukraine 5.7%
Poland 4.2%
Hungary 2.4%
Belarus 2.1%
United Kingdom 1.8%
Lithuania 1.3%
Germany 1.0%
Latvia 0.9%
Romania 0.8%
France 0.7%
Argentina 0.6%
Finland 0.5%
Moldova 0.4%
Czech Republic 0.4%
Brazil 0.2%
Syria 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Morocco 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
Cape Verde 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Mexico 0.0%
Bulgaria 0.0%-0.5%

These matches are predominately from my father's side. My mother overwhelmingly matches Britain, Ireland, France, Germany, with some distant Spain/Portugal, and some Hungary/Eastern Euro that are seemingly connected to Oestdeutsch, and a couple of Scandinavians. {EDIT This has changed a bit as of 19 Aug. 2012}

Comparing to my grandfather, most of the Central/Eastern Europe is from him (and most of this appears Ashkenazi). "Russia" is also hard to pin down because in many cases it will mean imperial Russia/USSR, so should be folded into Belarus, Ukraine, or elsewhere. My grandfather additionally has a number of Italian matches that I do not -- one as high as 8.9 cM -- and appears to have an unexpectedly recent link to the Balkans as well that I did not inherit.

The intriguing matches in my kit mainly seem to come from my late grandmother, who had Sephardi/Mizrahi ancestry from Syria. (I have a 4 grandparent 7.4 cM match from there.) Having scattered matches at the bottom with the Near East and Caucasus with 4 grandparents, I wish there were more testing from these areas, as I am sure you do, Humata! Database bias is quite the thing...

Day Tripper
08-08-2012, 11:11 PM
Here are mine at 4 gp and 5+ cM:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7263/afaug8.png

In case anyone is wondering about UKR/RUS, my paternal grandparents were Russian Germans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Germans_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union) .

Scarlet Ibis
08-09-2012, 05:35 AM
Nothing's changed in my Ancestry Finder results for the past month or so, although I continue to watch with the new Build 37 upgrade going on.

At 5cM, 4grandparents, colonies box unticked.

http://oi46.tinypic.com/359bjv8.jpg
http://oi48.tinypic.com/2yytphi.jpg

Spark
08-09-2012, 05:49 AM
No changes to report. Note the poor African matches for New World Diasporans due to lack of sampling from ancestral regions. 4 GPs, 5cM+ matches, excluding the U.S., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

Me
Europe
Ireland -- 0.8%
United Kingdom -- 0.7%
Sweden -- 0.1%
Norway -- 0.1%
Germany -- 0.1%
France-- 0.1%
Slovakia -- 0.0%

Africa
Nigeria -- 0.1%

Mother
Europe
United Kingdom -- 0.7%
Ireland -- 0.7%
Norway -- 0.1%

North America
Barbados -- 0.4%

Father
Europe
United Kingdom -- 0.4%
Ireland -- 0.2%
Sweden -- 0.1%

Africa
Nigeria -- 0.1%
Cote d'Ivoire -- 0.1%

North America
Jamaica -- 0.2%
Belize -- 0.1%

Lank
08-09-2012, 09:39 AM
Nothing much for me.

Ethiopia (4 gp Tigray) - 6.8 cM
Iraq - 6.1 cM
Eritrea/Ethiopia (2 gp Hamasien Eritrea, 2 gp Gojjam Ethiopia) - 5.3 cM

History-of-Things
08-11-2012, 06:00 PM
At 5cm, 4 grandparents, colonial box unchecked:

United Kingdom 2.2%
Ireland 0.5%
Norway 0.3%
Poland 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Russia 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Austria 0.1%

Same, with colonial box checked:):

United States 36.4%
United Kingdom 2.2%
Australia 0.9%
Ireland 0.5%
Canada 0.5%
Norway 0.3%
Poland 0.2%
New Zealand 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Russia 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Austria 0.1%

I think the second set of figures are also interesting....

evon
08-12-2012, 07:42 PM
Me:



United States 26.0%
Norway 4.3%
Canada 1.6%
United Kingdom 1.3%
Sweden 0.8%
Denmark 0.6%
Ireland 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Italy 0.3%
Australia 0.3%
Poland 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
India 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
South Africa 0.0%
Russia 0.0%
Luxembourg 0.0%



Paternal aunt:


United States 16.9%
Norway 7.7%
United Kingdom 0.8%
Canada 0.6%
Sweden 0.5%
Ireland 0.5%
Germany 0.5%
Denmark 0.5%
Netherlands 0.3%
Spain 0.2%
Russia 0.2%
Finland 0.2%
Estonia 0.2%
Australia 0.2%
Venezuela 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Italy 0.0%

Maternal uncle:


United States 22.3%
Norway 5.8%
Canada 1.6%
United Kingdom 0.8%
Sweden 0.5%
Iceland 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Finland 0.4%
Denmark 0.4%
Poland 0.3%
Russia 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Ireland 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.2%
Australia 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
New Zealand 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Cyprus 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%


Maternal grandmother:



United States 22.0%
Norway 5.8%
United Kingdom 1.1%
Canada 0.7%
Netherlands 0.6%
Denmark 0.5%
Sweden 0.4%
Finland 0.4%
Ireland 0.3%
Poland 0.2%
Mexico 0.2%
Macedonia 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Serbia 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
New Zealand 0.1%
India 0.1%
Hungary 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Ukraine 0.0%
Russia 0.0%
Portugal 0.0%
Australia 0.0%

Solothurn
08-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Mine at 5cM 4GP

United Kingdom 2.6%
Ireland 1.5%
Netherlands 0.7%
Norway 0.4%
Hungary 0.3%
Germany 0.3%
Spain 0.2%
Romania 0.2%
Portugal 0.2%
India 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Sweden 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Haiti 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Iran 0.0%

joe
08-14-2012, 07:48 PM
United Kingdom 1.2%
Ireland 0.4%
Switzerland 0.2%
Russia 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%

ilmari
08-14-2012, 11:33 PM
Me 4 GP 5 cM+

Finland 35.6%
Sweden 1.0%
Norway 0.6%
Lithuania 0.4%
Russia 0.3%
Germany 0.2%
Estonia 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Ireland 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
France 0.1%
Austria 0.1%


My Mom 4 GP 5 cM+

Finland 21.8%
Norway 1.4%
Sweden 1.1%
Russia 0.3%
Denmark 0.2%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Austria 0.1%


My Paternal 2nd Cousin 4 GP 5 cM+

Finland 44.9%
Sweden 1.8%
Russia 1.5%
Norway 0.8%
Estonia 0.5%
Poland 0.4%
Italy 0.4%
Belarus 0.3%
United Kingdom 0.2%
Turkey 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Ireland 0.0%
Germany 0.0%
Denmark 0.0%
Bulgaria 0.0%


My Maternal 1st Cousin 1 Removed 4 GP 5 cM+

Finland 31.8%
Norway 3.2%
Sweden 1.9%
Russia 0.4%
United Kingdom 0.3%
Estonia 0.2%
Romania 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
France 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%

It should be noted that the above are as of 14 Aug. 2012 and there is a flag that says: 9 August 2012 — Relative Finder and Ancestry Finder results are being recomputed following the Build [of whichever platform you are currently on].

AJL
08-15-2012, 12:16 AM
^ Great idea to post multiple kits, I'll post my mother's at 4 GP/5 cM/colonies off.

United Kingdom 2.0%
Ireland 0.6%
Russia 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
France 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Poland 0.0%

The patterns appears plausible based on matches and paper trail, except Greece, which is a single marginal match and does not fit with anything else. (However I should note she does have another Ancestry Finder match to someone of partial Armenian descent.) The Colombian is also something of a mystery but again, is a rather small match.

Her most significant score is with colonies on: US 18.7%.

Calamus
08-16-2012, 08:30 PM
Results for me and my parents at 4GP/5 cM/colonies ON

me:
United States 27.8%
Norway 8.4%
Sweden 1.8%
United Kingdom 0.5%
Finland 0.5%
Ireland 0.4%
Canada 0.4%
Netherlands 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Macedonia 0.1%
Latvia 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
France 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Australia 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%
Israel 0.0%
Iceland 0.0%
Germany 0.0%

my dad:
United States 26.8%
Norway 8.0%
Sweden 1.2%
United Kingdom 0.7%
Canada 0.7%
Switzerland 0.3%
Germany 0.3%
Denmark 0.3%
Iceland 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovenia 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Latvia 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Ireland 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Bolivia 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Greece 0.0%

my mom:
United States 27.6%
Norway 9.3%
Sweden 1.2%
Netherlands 0.7%
United Kingdom 0.5%
Finland 0.4%
Canada 0.4%
Denmark 0.3%
Belgium 0.3%
Germany 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
South Africa 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Australia 0.1%

Day Tripper
08-19-2012, 02:09 AM
Mine have changed:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7462/afaug18.png

It looks like they've fixed the thing where overlapping segments would both be counted in the "% of genome" value.

AJL
08-19-2012, 05:36 AM
^ Thanks for pointing that out -- mine have changed too, I will go back and add the new figures.

apophis99942
08-26-2012, 05:48 PM
This is what I had at the lowest setting:

133

This what I have at the highest (15cm):

135

Griff
09-03-2012, 07:15 PM
I'm sorry to put a wet blanket over this thread, but I find the Ancestry Finder to be nothing more than an electronic version of a spin-the-wheel lottery.

My family history is probably representative of a lot of Americans: we've been in this country for more than 8 generations on both sides. I cannot see how this game sorts through and determines my ancestry based upon choosing four grandparental origins, which may in fact, be useful if you or your parents are recent arrivals in the US.

Another anomaly, at least in my thinking, is the "choice" of "Great Britain" which is after all a geographical amalgamation of various tribes, occupiers and invaders. It has no practical meaning from a genealogists perspective.

But it's a nice game, so have at it, and enjoy. Just don't take it too seriously!

-Griff

ilmari
09-03-2012, 07:54 PM
If I were adopted, my results would be an enormous clue.

Griff
09-03-2012, 08:30 PM
If I were adopted, my results would be an enormous clue.

Funny ... I WAS adopted, but think it would be a stretch to call such a game an "enormous" clue. In fact, the lack of specificity leads me to think it would cause great confusion instead!

Cheers,
-Griff

R. Walker
09-04-2012, 02:56 AM
I have to agree with Griff. All AFI is doing is adding up the percentages of where the matches report their GPs were from. It is not doing a genome calculation. The science isn't there yet. Look at it sort of like a horoscope.

ilmari
09-04-2012, 10:28 PM
Do either of you not agree with my statement?

I think it holds an enormous potential for people.

Just because the shoe doesn't fit everyone doesn't mean the shoe is broken.

R. Walker
09-06-2012, 03:20 AM
Well, I do have to admit that there are some possible clues. Our highest (me and bro) listed name is Randolph. An unlikely name for two people whose ancestors have lived either in Northern Italy or the Swiss Alps for many many generations. So where does Randolph come in? It seems that a family of Walkers, whom we match in varying percentages, have Randolph listed in their list of family names. There are three Walkers, Uncle, niece, nephew, whose grandfather came from the same village in Switzerland as our Walkers. They are, of course all related to the Randolphs on one of their lines, and so have Randolph listed in all three of their lists. But WE are not related to the Randolphs, only the Walker line. Now, if we hadn't already found the Walker link, following up on Randolph might have led us to the Walker link. So we are related to people who are related to Randolphs.

The same with AF. We are related to people whose ancestors came from such exotic places as Poland, Germany, Netherlands, Russia. And maybe there is an ancient link. But we haven't any recent ancestors from those places. Or some of our ancestor's relatives settled in those places for whatever reason, and we still carry the genetic connection. But we'll never find the link.

Scarlet Ibis
10-04-2012, 05:07 AM
For comparison, here are my current results, at the 4 grandparents from the same country & 5cM level, along with my parents'.

Mine:

http://oi50.tinypic.com/11l60e1.jpg
http://oi49.tinypic.com/2j0xhfn.jpg

My Mother's:

http://oi45.tinypic.com/s2xzf4.jpg

My Father's:

http://oi48.tinypic.com/29o050o.jpg
http://oi47.tinypic.com/2i1ea.jpg

PureEvil
01-05-2013, 06:12 AM
Mine at 4GP/5cM:

United Kingdom
1.0%
Norway
0.3%
Germany
0.3%
Spain
0.2%
Finland
0.2%
Ukraine
0.1%
Sweden
0.1%
Russia
0.1%
Poland
0.1%
Netherlands
0.1%
Italy
0.1%
Ireland
0.1%
Hungary
0.1%
Ecuador
0.1%
Denmark
0.1%
Belgium
0.1%

Don Felipe
02-17-2013, 03:31 PM
Set at 5cM and 4GP. Although I'm somewhat sceptical about how many of those set at 5~7cM would be genuine IBD matches. Also many of my closest relatives found by RF are either not sharing with me or have not filled in the Ancestry Survey. So not sure how representative these results really are but still a pretty cool tool.

I was initially surprised by the relatively high Russian score , but i soon learnt it involved two relatives with German/Dutch Mennonite background. So they must be related with me through my Dutch side. Funny thing is both these cousins, based solely on the nationalities of their grand parents, have apparently been used by 23&me as reference sample for the East European category in AC. They came out 100% East Euro on AC while all their familynames are in fact German or Dutch Mennonite :biggrin1:

Also the Phillipines, Mexico, Colombia and Cuba results intrigued me at first, i was only expecting Brazil to pop up. But by comparing with the AF results of Capeverdeans and Portuguese i learnt it's pretty standard to have such a wide array of Hispanic matches. It's also known that on their Euro side Capeverdeans descend not only from the Portuguese but have other Iberian ancestry as well, incl. Catalans, Andalusians but also Conversos and Morescos who flled from Spain to Portugal because of Inquisition. The Bahaman match turned out to be a lady of strictly Euro/English ancestry although very deep rooted on the Bahamas.

Right now I'm only somewhat puzzled by the Serbian and Croatian results but they could be IBS matches i suppose.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/AF16-02-2013.jpg



No changes to report. Note the poor African matches for New World Diasporans due to lack of sampling from ancestral regions.

Very true, I made a suggestion on the 23&me board that this problem might be fixed by introducing well chosen, ethnically defined African samples (not from paying customers) into their AF & RF database just in order to generate more matches for Afrodescendants. These samples could also be used for AC.


I have to agree with Griff. All AFI is doing is adding up the percentages of where the matches report their GPs were from. It is not doing a genome calculation. The science isn't there yet. Look at it sort of like a horoscope.

It's indeed dependent on the underlying database and how many of your found relatives actually care to participate by filling in the Ancestry Survey. Still when used at higher settings of 10-15cM, i suspect for many people the results would roughly correspond with their known background. At 12cM (and colonial box switched off) i indeed only get a Dutch and Cape Verdean score.

william
03-05-2013, 04:13 AM
Hello:

My paternal grandmother, H1as1, was born a WOTTRICH, 1859 Germany.
Her family is unknown. The test sample was from her g.granddaughter.
Skimpy data, but the H1as1

william
03-05-2013, 04:18 AM
My paternal grandmother was a H1as1, surname WOTTRICH, born 1859 Germany or vicinity.
That is skimpy data, but the H1as1 WOTTRICH combination might be familiar to someone.
William

geebee
03-05-2013, 10:20 AM
Do either of you not agree with my statement?

I think it holds an enormous potential for people.

Just because the shoe doesn't fit everyone doesn't mean the shoe is broken.

Nice, but I don't think this is quite an apt analogy. With a shoe, you put it on your foot and presumably you can tell rather quickly that it doesn't fit, so you simply discard it. No harm, no foul.

But what if we changed the analogy to some like, "Just because the medicine doesn't cure everyone, doesn't mean it's useless". That might well be true, but it's one thing if the medicine cures some and harms no one; and quite another if it cures some, but makes others worse. If you don't know in advance who will be helped and who will be harmed, then you have to think about whether its potential usefulness is worth the risk.

I don't deny that Ancestry Finder may help some, and even with those it doesn't help, it's certainly not likely to do any physical harm. But it isn't necessarily helpful for some and indifferent to all others. For some people, with few clues to their ancestry, it might actually lead them in completely wrong directions. So, yes, it holds potential for many people. Unfortunately, that includes the potential to cause one to spend a great deal of time following the wrong trails.

Scarlet Ibis
06-01-2013, 04:24 PM
Could this segment be significant, assuming the "unknown" grandparent is not an American? It appears on my dad's AF on the same spot, so I know I"m "related" to the person through my paternal ancestry.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2uny3iw.jpg

AJL
06-01-2013, 07:34 PM
Do you have any mutual overlapping matches on the same spot (you can access your match's Ancestry Finder Excel file too to verify this)?

Scarlet Ibis
06-01-2013, 08:04 PM
Hi AJL,

There are a few overlaps, but they're anonymous Americans, which can mean practically anything ancestrally. How does one access a match's AF excel file?

AJL
06-01-2013, 08:25 PM
Ibis: at Ancestry Tools > Countries of Ancestry, you can select anyone you're sharing genomes with from the dropdown menu, then download their file with the blue button at the bottom-left of the page.

Scarlet Ibis
06-01-2013, 08:27 PM
Oh ok, I see. Unfortunately, this person is anonymous, so I have no idea who to send a share invite to. Ah well.

AJL
06-01-2013, 09:33 PM
Ah, that's too bad.

Telfermagne
06-13-2013, 11:59 PM
Went through mine, got some new matches:

4 gp from same country, minus New Worlders.

1.) United Kingdom of Great Britain and N. Ireland
14.5 cM, 14.5 cM, 11.4 cM, 11.3 cM, 11.1 cM, 9.2 cM, 9.1 cM, 8.8 cM, 8.4 cM, 8.0 cM, 7.8 cM, 6.7 cM, 6.3 cM, 6.2 cM, 6.1 cM, 6.1 cM, 6.0 cM, 5.6 cM, 5.3 cM, 5.1 cM, 5.1 cM

2.) Republic of Ireland
21.6 cM, 7.5 cM, and 5.2 cM.

3.) Germany
10.5 cM, 6.9 cM, 5.6 cM, 5.5 cM.

4.) France
10.8 cM, 5.3 cM

5.) Russia
8.6 cM (on X-Chromosome), 5.3 cM

6.) Netherlands
5.7 cM, 5.7 cM

7.) Ukraine 8.6 cM (one segment on the X-Chromosome)

8.) Lithuania 5.8 cM (one segment on the X-Chromosome)

9.) Denmark 5.8 cM (one segment)

10.) Italy 5.6 cM (one segment)

11.) Finland 5.4 cM (one segment)

12.) Poland 5.3 cM (one segment)

Scarlet Ibis
07-02-2013, 03:35 AM
New changes for me and my mom. My dad's results are about the same:

Mine:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2enpavr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/2r2adz6.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/sq6xee.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2rqng20.jpg

Mom's:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2po2ofs.jpg

ADW_1981
07-06-2013, 03:20 AM
Anyone else get a massive update? My AF hasn't updated, but both my parents have
Dad's
519520517518

ADW_1981
07-06-2013, 03:47 AM
Mum's
522523524525

Sangarius
07-08-2013, 04:32 PM
@4gp/5cm

534

AJL
07-09-2013, 03:44 AM
The general consensus seems to be there's some kind of display problem with the web page that's appeared over the last days -- a bunch of matches appear in the CSV file that are absent from the GUI.

Scarlet Ibis
07-11-2013, 02:32 AM
@4gp/5cm

534


I see Japan. Do you have any Koreans on your list? There is a member named Ashina who does, and I have to say it fascinates me.

Scarlet Ibis
07-11-2013, 02:38 AM
MAJOR overhaul for my dad's:

http://i42.tinypic.com/347h9bs.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2j47e50.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/ra3tw4.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ijjfwh.jpg

Sangarius
07-11-2013, 11:42 PM
I see Japan. Do you have any Koreans on your list? There is a member named Ashina who does, and I have to say it fascinates me.

No, I don't have any other East-Asian relatives. On the chromosome painting the Japanese segment overlaps with Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. So I guess that shared segment isn't related to the Turkic tribes that invaded Anatolia from the east, but other Central-Asian tribes who entered Europe via Russia and settled in the Balkans. Probably Huns. :P

Regarding the Korean segment that Ashina shares, it's only partially Korean (2 grandparents). So the connection might not be East-Asian in her case. It's impossible to tell.

Esmeralda
07-13-2013, 10:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/f3s4P1s.png
http://i.imgur.com/hvvgsU2.png
http://i.imgur.com/kSo7S7G.png
http://i.imgur.com/XBCaban.png
http://i.imgur.com/f6PI9V5.png

Telfermagne
07-19-2013, 01:19 AM
Looks like mine got updated again:

Countries with segments over 7 cM -

Ireland - the largest segment 21.6 cM
United Kingdom - the largest segment 14.5 cM
Poland - the largest segment is 11.6 cM
Hungary - the largest segment is 8.6 cM
Ukraine - the largest segment is 8.3 cM and is on the X-Chromosome
Russia - the largest segment is 8.3 cM and is on the X-Chromosome
Germany - the largest segment is 7.7 cM

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/sar1227/Screenshot2013-07-18at91547PM_zpsdbecb883.png (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/sar1227/media/Screenshot2013-07-18at91547PM_zpsdbecb883.png.html)
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/sar1227/Screenshot2013-07-18at91621PM_zpsdc62837c.png (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/sar1227/media/Screenshot2013-07-18at91621PM_zpsdc62837c.png.html)
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/sar1227/Screenshot2013-07-18at91655PM_zps4093ca58.png (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/sar1227/media/Screenshot2013-07-18at91655PM_zps4093ca58.png.html)

History-of-Things
07-19-2013, 03:27 AM
Mine have become a bit bizarre. At 7cM, the percentages are still very small, I assume because of my long colonial background:

UK 1.6%
Ireland 0.4%
Slovakia (?) 0.1% that's a stumper
Norway 0.1%
Netherland 0.1%
Finland 0.1%

I can buy the last three because of my mom's ancestral roots in the 17th century Delaware River Valley.
Now, at 5cM, the list has some startling entries:

UK 4.4%
Norway .8%
Ireland .8%
Netherlands .3%
Hungary .3%
Tunisia .2%
Slovakia .2%
Russia .2%
Lebanon .2%
Germany .2%
Sweden .1%
Serbia .1%
Portugal .1%
Poland, Italy, France, Finland, Denmark, Croatia, Austria, all .1%

I should have lots more Germany and France, and where the Eastern Europe stuff and Tunisia and Lebanon come from, I have no idea--this must be some very ancient DNA!

Checking the colonial box of course makes a bit more sense:

United States 25.1%
United Kingdom 4.4%
Canada 1.1%
Australia .9%
Norway .8
Ireland .8
and so on... with of course New Zealand also joining the .1%

BTW at 15cM all my matches are US (9.5% of genome covered), and at 10cM 19.9% US, 1.1% UK, .5% Australia, .2% Canada.

At the standard .7cM search my dad's is:
1.9% UK, .6% Ireland, .5% Italy, .3% Germany, .2% Norway, .2% Finland. The Italian thing would have come as a surprise, but actually he has an ancestor whose name was improbably Musco Atkinson, who I think (though I haven't found the connection yet), may be a descendant of Salvatore Musco, a rare Italian immigrant to colonial Virginia. I don't know from where he would derive Scandinavian ancestry, though, since I would think it would all be on mom's side. The Italian chunk is actually quite large (and I didn't inherit any of it): dad's results at 15 cM are: 13.3% US, .9% UK, .5% Italy (it's all in one chunk apparently), then .4% Ireland.

Scarlet Ibis
07-19-2013, 03:39 AM
Ancestry Finder/Countries of Ancestry is good for regional ancestry, and good for picking up clues, but I still think it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

It seems to me like the results can be a bit of a crap shoot sometimes, due to recombination, overlapping populations, and certain groups being underrepresented (like the Germans & French). That last bit could at least partially explain why your Germany % is so low.

I've been going through my share list, and I'm seeing where 100% Dutch are getting UK as their highest score.

I also saw where someone I know is 1/8 Sicilian. However, he has no 4gp matches from Italy, and he clusters with the Norwegians & French on the Global Similarity map. If he didn't share a massive chunk with a 3rd cousin through his Italian ancestor, a full 12.5% of his ancestry would be seemingly absent from his results.

Also, I can take myself as a personal example. I am 50% Korean, but I don't have any 4gp Korean matches. I have some Japanese ones, and 1 from Hong Kong. So if I were an adoptee, I would know that I'm half East Asian, but I wouldn't be able to tell I'm half Korean. Good for regional ancestry, but not for pinpointing it.

Sorry about the rambling...I'm tired, and I've been spending a bit too much time staring at everyone's new results on my share list.

Telfermagne
07-19-2013, 01:03 PM
Even though 23andMe reports as low as 5cM - that's low enough to be noise, FTDNA through studying the progression of the Family Finder program clues that segments starting around 7cM are what are possibly indicative then 10 cM and higher being quite solid.

Also, border changes and diaspora may affect results - for an example take my 11.6 cM of Polish on the X-Chromosome, that would indicate recentish maternal relations with someone from Poland.

I don't recall any recent Polish relations, but what can be said about Poland? It used to be partitioned between Russia and Prussia and is currently bordered by Germany, Ukraine and Kaliningrad Oblast - consider the Ukrainian and Russian segments that are also on the X-Chromosome, there seems to be a recurring maternal trend.

What do I know about my maternal ancestry? They claim to be half German, but is modern Germany what Germany always was? No, consider the extent of Prussia - it used to encompass territory of Poland and Russia and I know that a number of my German ancestors were eastern, and it so happens that these easterners were the more recent immigrants in my genealogy. So there's some consistency.

The Countries of Ancestry utility I think gets an unnecessary bad rep at times, it is true that it doesn't claim to infer complete ancestral percentages - but ancestral percentages ain't all they're cracked up to be, this is a utility that helps one find specific relatives as an adjunct of sorts to Relative Finder.

David4750
08-30-2013, 05:46 PM
Im new to this forum and this part of the forum seems to be dead, thought i would try and revive it.

Post your CoA results along with your known ancestry.

Sephardim Jew, Polish, Ireland, German

1gp, 5cM

United Kingdom
Poland
Germany
Ireland
Russia
Norway
Ukraine
Sweden
Netherlands
Denmark
Finland
Hungary
Switzerland
Portugal
France
Italy
Czech Republic
Romania
Lithuania
Spain
Mexico
Greece
Tunisia
Croatia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
United States
Canada
Austria
Iceland
Slovakia
Iran
India
Turkey
South Africa
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Moldova
Latvia
Grenada
Belarus
Australia
Zimbabwe
South Korea
Slovenia
Samoa
New Zealand
Morocco
Luxembourg
Lebanon
Japan
Jamaica
Cuba
Costa Rica
Brazil
Bahamas
Armenia
Argentina
Palestinian Territory
Kuwait

4gp, 5cM

United Kingdom
Poland
Germany
Ireland
Ukraine
Russia
Norway
Switzerland
Sweden
Portugal
Netherlands
Hungary
France
Finland
Denmark
Tunisia
Spain
Romania
Mexico
Lithuania
Italy
Greece
Czech Republic
Croatia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Slovakia
Kuwait
Jamaica

EDIT: I didnt notice the sticky where people can post your CoA results

AJL
08-30-2013, 06:38 PM
That's okay, I have merged it into the existing thread.

Don Felipe
08-31-2013, 03:33 PM
Ancestry Finder/Countries of Ancestry is good for regional ancestry, and good for picking up clues, but I still think it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

I've been going through my share list, and I'm seeing where 100% Dutch are getting UK as their highest score.

I'm sceptic as well about some of the AF results, especially when applying lower settings. But keeping in mind its inherent limitations it can still be pretty indicative of someone's ancestry or otherwise reveal some telling patterns. I just made a thread on the AF results of some Dutch persons i'm sharing with. Indeed 2 of them get the UK with the highest % but shared equally with their Dutch %. When set at 10cM only Germany appears two times as biggest score but otherwise it's only Netherlands at the top position.

Dutch Ancestry Finder (CoA) results (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1285-Dutch-Ancestry-Finder-(CoA)-results)

evon
09-01-2013, 11:22 AM
Our current results at 5cM and 4gp:

Mine:

Norway 7.4%
United Kingdom 1.9%
Sweden 1.4%
Ireland 1.1%
Denmark 0.8%
Netherlands 0.6%
Finland 0.6%
Greece 0.5%
Germany 0.5%
Italy 0.3%
India 0.3%
Russia 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Austria 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
France 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Luxembourg 0.0%


Maternal Uncle:

Norway 6.8%
United Kingdom 1.4%
Sweden 0.7%
Ireland 0.6%
Germany 0.6%
Denmark 0.6%
Finland 0.5%
Russia 0.3%
Iceland 0.3%
Poland 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Cyprus 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Jordan 0.0%


Maternal grandmother:

Norway 8.0%
United Kingdom 1.7%
Ireland 1.5%
Sweden 1.0%
Denmark 1.0%
Netherlands 0.6%
Germany 0.5%
Finland 0.5%
Italy 0.4%
Poland 0.3%
Macedonia 0.3%
Hungary 0.3%
Mexico 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Serbia 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
India 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Ukraine 0.0%
Portugal 0.0%
Cuba 0.0%


Paternal Aunt:

Norway 9.9%
United Kingdom 1.2%
Germany 0.7%
Sweden 0.6%
Netherlands 0.6%
Ireland 0.6%
Denmark 0.5%
Belgium 0.4%
Russia 0.3%
Finland 0.3%
Spain 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Estonia 0.2%
Venezuela 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Kuwait 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
France 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Slovenia 0.0%

Telfermagne
09-17-2013, 03:36 AM
Got another update for Countries of Ancestry. With the default settings the picture is looking more and more in line with "prior knowledge" as new matches are discovered. My largest matching segment is still 21.6 cM with an Irish individual who elected to remain anonymous.

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/sar1227/CountriesofAncestryDefaultScreenshot2013-09-16at105117PM_zps62939edf.png (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/sar1227/media/CountriesofAncestryDefaultScreenshot2013-09-16at105117PM_zps62939edf.png.html)

Scarlet Ibis
10-05-2013, 04:26 AM
Yeah, it definitely seems like they did some tweaking at some point over the past month when I wasn't checking. It seems like more British/British-descended people & Swedes have gotten a bump in each others' scores.


Also, finally, Korea has appeared on my default! At 7cM, Mexico also appears.

7cM setting:
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy290/guesspics_bucket/my7cm_zps889bee82.jpg


5cM setting:
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy290/guesspics_bucket/my5cm_zpsc6b40686.jpg

Calamus
10-05-2013, 08:14 AM
23andMe have updated my Country of Ancestry results. Here is my current result at 4gp and 5cM (colonies excluded):

1. Norway 13.2%
2. Sweden 3.3%
3. United Kingdom 1.7%
4. Finland 0.9%
5. Italy 0.7%
5. Ireland 0.7%
5. Denmark 0.7%
8. Germany 0.5%
9. Ukraine 0.4%
9. Poland 0.4%
11. India 0.3%
12. Russia 0.2%
12. Netherlands 0.2%
12. Mexico 0.2%
12. France 0.2%
12. Azerbaijan 0.2%
17. Venezuela 0.1%
17. Latvia 0.1%
17. Hungary 0.1%
17. Greece 0.1%
17. Estonia 0.1%
17. Cuba 0.1%
17. Bulgaria 0.1%
17. Brazil 0.1%
17. Belgium 0.1%
17. Austria 0.1%
17. Argentina 0.1%
28. Switzerland 0.0%
28. Serbia 0.0%
28. Portugal 0.0%
28. Israel 0.0%

Venezuela, Hungaqry, Serbia and Portugal are new countries on my list. Looks fairly correct based on what I know about my ancestry (Norwgian with 1 GGGG-grandfather from Swedan and some Danish, Finnish, German and Dutch ancestors who immigrated to Norway in the 1600's).

The Italy, India, Azerbaijan and Israel scores are unexpected and interresting.

Sein
10-05-2013, 11:06 AM
My results for the default settings:

732

Four grandparents, 5cM:

Pakistan=0.3%
United Kingdom=0.2%
Turkey=0.2%
Poland=0.2%
Afghanistan=0.2%
Ukraine=0.1%
Sweden=0.1%
South Korea=0.1%
Russia=0.1%
Romania=0.1%
Italy=0.1%
Iran=0.1%
Greece=0.1%
Finland=0.1%
Bulgaria=0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina=0.1%
Belarus=0.1%

AJL
10-05-2013, 02:52 PM
What might be happening is that -- similar to the cap in Relative Finder -- there is a cap in Countries of Ancestry matches? This would mean that people are starting to see matches more to whatever nationalities they are most closely descended from; or whatever nationalities are best represented in the database; or some combination of these.

Unfortunately for me at least, that means the more interesting matches are dropping off. But the unidentificable giant matches are more frustrating ones anyway. I just wish my new Irish match with a single segment of 43 cM was public: I suspect that's around 3rd-5th cousin territory.>:(

ADW_1981
10-05-2013, 03:22 PM
A little surprised at my large Irish connections due to fairly modern political tensions between Ireland and UK and having no recent Irish ties in my family tree that I am aware of. (some surnames may be Anglicized such as Day)

United Kingdom 2.9%
Ireland 0.8%
Netherlands 0.7%
Germany 0.7%
Poland 0.5%
Denmark 0.5%
Sweden 0.4%
Italy 0.4%
Norway 0.3%
France 0.3%
Finland 0.3%
Switzerland 0.2%
Spain 0.2%
Portugal 0.2%
Iceland 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Romania 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Bahamas 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Slovakia 0.0%


My mother's results finally shows potential eastern ancestry, due to her 2.7% v3chip /1.2% v2chip East Asian (not Native Am.) on Ancestry Composition

United Kingdom 4.1% (well documented English tree)
Ireland 1.9%
Germany 1.2%
Norway 0.8%
Russia 0.7%
Netherlands 0.6%
Denmark 0.6%
Sweden 0.5%
France 0.5%
Poland 0.4%
Italy 0.4%
Belgium 0.4%
Portugal 0.3%
Brazil 0.3%
Lithuania 0.2%
Greece 0.2%
Finland 0.2%
Switzerland 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Peru 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Indonesia 0.1%
Hungary 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Chile 0.1%
Slovakia 0.0%
Croatia 0.0%

My dad's AF. Documented English, Dutch, French Huguenot/Belgian. He's not very 'matchy', outside UK and North American white, so where are his matches?

United Kingdom 3.4%
Netherlands 1.1%
Germany 0.8%
Ireland 0.7%
Italy 0.4%
Finland 0.3%
Romania 0.2%
Norway 0.2%
Iceland 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Switzerland 0.1%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Bahamas 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
France 0.0%

Dr_McNinja
10-05-2013, 03:36 PM
4 grandparents, 5cM, including US/Canada/etc (most of my US matches are European descendants):


United States 0.5%
India 0.2%
Bangladesh 0.2%
Ireland 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Austria 0.1%

1 grandparent, 5cM, including US/Canada/etc:


United States 0.5%–0.7%
India 0.2%–0.6%
Bangladesh 0.2%
Ireland 0.1%–0.2%
Cuba 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Pakistan 0.0%–0.3%
Canada 0.0%–0.3%
Italy 0.0%–0.2%
Czech Republic 0.0%–0.2%
Ukraine 0.0%–0.1%
Slovakia 0.0%–0.1%
Poland 0.0%–0.1%
Greece 0.0%–0.1%
Sweden 0.0%–0.0%
Denmark 0.0%–0.0%Gedmatch's one-to-many tool is a far superior. Allowed me to identify portions of my genome which must be of European ancestry which 23andMe's Ancestry Composition's Chromosome View did not yet (about all it was useful for in my case because most people in the database are European descendants in the US).

Scarlet Ibis
10-05-2013, 04:41 PM
My results for the default settings:

732

Four grandparents, 5cM:

Pakistan=0.3%
United Kingdom=0.2%
Turkey=0.2%
Poland=0.2%
Afghanistan=0.2%
Ukraine=0.1%
Sweden=0.1%
South Korea=0.1%
Russia=0.1%
Romania=0.1%
Italy=0.1%
Iran=0.1%
Greece=0.1%
Finland=0.1%
Bulgaria=0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina=0.1%
Belarus=0.1%


How big is the South Korean match?

Sein
10-05-2013, 05:53 PM
My South Korean match is pretty cool, at 5.3cM. I expected at least one East Asian match, since I tend to display substantial Siberian-Northeast Asian admixture on all of the DIY calculators, and on Dr. McDonald's chromosome painting. Although, the one thing that I do find problematic is the conspicuous lack of Indian matches (I have to adjust the settings to two grandparents, and in that case all of my matches are of mixed European and Indian ancestry, and still constitute a very small minority amongst my matches). I really didn't expect most of matches to be European. This mirrors the situation I have with relative finder, as I think I might have more Polish and Ukrainian cousins than Indo-Pakistani ones. This must be a reflection of 23andMe's customer database.

leonardo
10-05-2013, 06:21 PM
@ default:
Ireland 0.4%
Italy 0.3%
United Kingdom 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Netherlands 0.1%
Germany 0.1%


@ 4GPs, 5cM:
United Kingdom 1.2%
Italy 0.8%
Ireland 0.8%
Poland 0.5%
Germany 0.4%
Switzerland 0.3%
Norway 0.3%
Netherlands 0.3%
Finland 0.3%



@1+GP, 5CM:
United Kingdom 1.2%–5.4%
Ireland 0.8%–3.4%
Italy 0.8%–3.2%
Poland 0.5%–2.2%
Germany 0.4%–3.8%
Switzerland 0.3%–1.1%
Norway 0.3%–1.1%
Finland 0.3%–1.0%
Netherlands 0.3%–0.9%
Russia 0.2%–1.4%
France 0.2%–0.7%
Serbia 0.2%–0.4%
Ukraine 0.1%–1.2%
Denmark 0.1%–0.7%
Austria 0.1%–0.7%

The default setting reflects what I know to be my top ancestries. At the 1+ GP setting, my known German ancestry is under represented and my Italian and Irish are probably over represented. However, I am not surprised by this, given that I have heard many Germans choose not to do autosomal dna tests.

Dr_McNinja
10-05-2013, 11:46 PM
My South Korean match is pretty cool, at 5.3cM. I expected at least one East Asian match, since I tend to display substantial Siberian-Northeast Asian admixture on all of the DIY calculators, and on Dr. McDonald's chromosome painting. Although, the one thing that I do find problematic is the conspicuous lack of Indian matches (I have to adjust the settings to two grandparents, and in that case all of my matches are of mixed European and Indian ancestry, and still constitute a very small minority amongst my matches). I really didn't expect most of matches to be European. This mirrors the situation I have with relative finder, as I think I might have more Polish and Ukrainian cousins than Indo-Pakistani ones. This must be a reflection of 23andMe's customer database.Yeah it's their customer database. I have far more European/American matches than South Asian matches on 23andMe and Gedmatch. Gedmatch has more users but even less South Asian users (only one turned up in my matches there).

I did find some distant 5th cousin matches with some Sikh descendants on the 23andMe relative finder (total 11 matches). Of the half whose profiles/names weren't private.

Dr_McNinja
10-07-2013, 03:55 AM
This is what my Gedmatch One-to-Many results look like:

http://i.imgur.com/yez8h99.png

http://i.imgur.com/hz86MVG.png

All but a handful of these seem to be of European descent, the majority being Americans of European descent. 23andMe's Ancestry Composition recognized only the hits on Chromosomes 1 and 15 as European (and a little on 6 and 8 not paralleled here).

The 23andMe Countries of Ancestry results from Americans were mostly in the same spots as these.

Sein
10-07-2013, 05:49 AM
Interesting. I just tried this tool right now, and it seems all of my matches are of European descent, just like yours. There seems to be a real lack of non-Europeans in these databases.

Dr_McNinja
10-07-2013, 04:43 PM
Interesting. I just tried this tool right now, and it seems all of my matches are of European descent, just like yours. There seems to be a real lack of non-Europeans in these databases.Mostly Western Europeans at that. They're overwhelmingly R1b. Did you have more R1a matches?

Sein
10-08-2013, 02:38 AM
Not even one R1a match (although, I might actually have a match with an R1a person, but a lot of my matches have not revealed their paternal haplogroup, and quite a few of them are females).

evon
10-26-2013, 06:44 PM
My updated results:

Default:

Norway 5.1%
United Kingdom 0.4%
Ireland 0.4%
Sweden 0.3%
Germany 0.3%
Ukraine 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Finland 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%


5gp:

Norway 8.6%
United Kingdom 2.8%
Sweden 1.9%
Ireland 1.4%
Germany 0.9%
Finland 0.8%
Denmark 0.8%
Netherlands 0.7%
Russia 0.6%
Greece 0.5%
Turkey 0.4%
Ukraine 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
India 0.3%
Poland 0.2%
France 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Austria 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Luxembourg 0.0%
Hungary 0.0%

Telfermagne
11-05-2013, 01:44 AM
Got an updated list.

Default settings -

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/sar1227/CountriesofAncestryDefaultScreenshot2013-11-04at83953PM_zpsf06f9119.png (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/sar1227/media/CountriesofAncestryDefaultScreenshot2013-11-04at83953PM_zpsf06f9119.png.html)

This may be of use for those who are looking for how to interpret one's matches with Countries of Ancestry and Relative Finder.

http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_By_Descent_segment#Ranges_of_total_centi morgans_of_IBD_segments_expected.2C_based_on_famil y_relationship
Ranges of total centimorgans of IBD segments expected, based on family relationship

Parent/child: 3539-3748 centimorgans (cMs)
1st cousins: 548-1034 cMs
1st cousins once removed: 248-638 cMs
2nd cousins: 101-378 cMs
2nd cousins once removed: 43-191 cMs
3rd cousins: 43-ca 150 cMs
3rd cousins once removed: 11.5-99 cMs
4th and more distant cousins: 5-ca 50 cMs

AJL
11-05-2013, 02:30 AM
Interesting. I just tried this tool right now, and it seems all of my matches are of European descent, just like yours. There seems to be a real lack of non-Europeans in these databases.

Hang in there. I now have five matches from Turkey, not too long ago I only had one or two. The trend must eventually spread from West Asia to South and Central. :)

Wulf Talented
12-08-2013, 09:30 PM
4 Grandparents, 5cM colonial Nations unchecked,

Country
United Kingdom 4.4%
Ireland 1.2%
Poland 0.7%
Russia 0.6%
Sweden 0.4%
Netherlands 0.4%
Italy 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Romania 0.3%
Portugal 0.3%
Belgium 0.3%
Mexico 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Serbia 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Chile 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%

Default, 4 Grandparents, unchecked colonial nations,

United Kingdom 1.2%
Russia 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Sweden 0.1%
Ireland 0.1%
Germany 0.1%

Stephen1986
12-09-2013, 08:13 PM
My current matches at 4GP/5cM (not including colonials) -
UK 10.4% - too many to list.
Ireland 1.7% - too many to list.
Sweden 0.9% - seven people. The anonymous ones share 5.1cM, 5.2cM, 6.3cM and 8.9cM with me. The other three share 8.1cM, 5.1cM and 6.6cM with me
Portugal 0.6% - four people, one sharing 5.1cM with me who has ancestry from the Algarve. Another shares 6.5cM and another 6.3cM. One shares 8.3cM with me
Germany 0.5% - six people, who share 5.6cM, 6.7cM, 5.3cM, 6.3cM and 5.1cM with me. The other shares 6.1cM with me and has mainly Bavarian and Volga ancestry
Poland 0.4% - three people, one of whom I share 5.4cM with, who is Polish-American with grandparents from southern Poland. Another shares 6.3cM with me, and is Polish Australian. The other shares 6.0cM.
Norway 0.4% - four people, with whom I share 5.2cM, 5.4cM, 5.5cM and 11.3cM
Italy 0.4% - three people, with whom I share 5.1cM, 5.9cM and 8.1cM.
Denmark 0.4% - three people, one I share 5.4cM and has ancestry from various parts of Denmark as well as Norway. The other two are grandson and grandmother, with whom I share 6.3cM and 5.1cM respectively. They have Danish and Norwegian, as well as possible Scottish and other continental ancestry
Russia 0.3% - four people, with whom I share 5.1cM, 5.3cM, 5.8cM and 6.1cM
Finland 0.3% - two people, one with whom I share 6.3cM, and the other with whom I share 5.3cM, their ancestry is from western and eastern Finland as well as Karelia
Netherlands 0.2%, two people, one with whom I share 5.4cM, and the other with whom I share 5.0cM
Cuba 0.2% - one person, with whom I share 6.2cM. Their ancestry includes Spanish, French and German
Ukraine 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.8cM
Romania 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.6cM
Mexico 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.1cM
Jamaica 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 9.9cM. They are of multiple region ancestry
Iceland 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 6.3cM
Hungary 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.3cM. Their ancestry is from around Budapest
France 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 6.5cM. Their ancestry seems to be from southern France
Estonia 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.1cM
Croatia 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.4cM, although their surname is Serbian.
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.2cM
Belgium 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.5cM
Belarus 0.1% - two people, one an Ashkenazi Jew with whom I share 5.6cM, and another with whom I share 5.3cM, their surname appears to be Polish.
Austria 0.1% - one person, with whom I share 5.3cM.
Switzerland 0.0% - one person, with whom I share 5.1cM.
Greece 0.0% - one person, with whom I share 5.6cM. Their ancestry is from western Greece.

My brother has the following -

UK 12.3% - too many to list.
Ireland 2.2% - too many to list.
Germany 0.8% - seven people, including the Bavarian/Volga cousin, with whom he shares 6.1cM. The only other public one shares 5.7cM with him, and has northern German ancestry, including from places now in Poland. The others share 6.6cM, 5.6cM, 6.3cM, 5.3cM and 6.2cM with him.
Sweden 0.6% - six people, with whom he shares 6.4cM, 6.5cM, 5.1cM, 5.4cM, 5.3cM and 5.7cM.
Finland 0.6% - seven people. One shares 5.6cM with him and is anonymous. Another shares 5.6cM and has ancestry from southern Finland. Another shares 5.3cM and is the west/east/Karelian Finn I share with as well. ANother shares 5.1cM but is from the UK and has a British name. ANother shares 5.9cM but is anonymous. The remaining two share 5.4cM and 5.7cM with him.
Poland 0.4% - four people. Two share 5.2cM with him, whilst the other two share with me as well and have 6.4cM and 5.3cM in common with him.
Norway 0.4% - Six people, two of whom share 5.4cM with him. He also shares 12.1cM, 10.9cM and 5.1cM, and with one other he shares 5.9cM in the same area we match our Danish distant cousin.
France 0.4% - three people. He shares 5.1cM with one, 5.3cM with another and 6.6cM with the third, who is French-American.
Netherlands 0.3% - two people, 5.9cM and 6.1cM, the latter being Dutch-American with Brabant ancestry
Denmark 0.3% - three people, one he shares 6.8cM with. Another he shares 6.1cM with is the grandson I share with, and the last shares 5.4cM with him, and he has some recent German ancestry
Cuba 0.3% - two people, sharing 6.2cM with the person I match with as well, and 6.8cM with the other.
Austria 0.3% - two people, sharing 6.6cM and 5.1cM with him
Russia 0.2% - three people, including one with whom he shares 5.3cM. Another shares 6.2cM with him and has ancestry from the border area with Belarus and Ukraine, and the other shares 6.2cM with him
Portugal 0.2% - three people, sharing 5.1cM, 6.0cM and 6.5cM with him
Italy 0.2% - three people, sharing 5.9cM, 5.3cM (Sicilian and Abruzzan ancestry), and 5.0cM (Sicilian ancestry)
Hungary 0.2% - two people, 5.3cM with the person I match, and 5.1cM with another
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.2% - two people, sharing 5.2cM with both of them, one with at least some Croatian ancestry
Belgium 0.2% - three people, sharing 5.3cM, 5.4cM and 5.5cM
Trinidad & Tobago 0.1% - one person, sharing 6.4cM with him
Romania 0.1% - one person, sharing 5.2cM with him
Jamaica 0.1% - one person, sharing 9.8cM with the Jamaican person I share with
Iceland 0.1% - one person, sharing 6.3cM with the Icelandic person I share with
Columbia 0.1% - one person, sharing 6cM with him, of mostly Spanish ancestry
Brazil 0.1% - one person, sharing 5.9cM with him
Argentina 0.1% - one person, sharing 6.3cM with him
Switzerland 0.0% - one person, sharing 5.1cM with him
Iran 0.0% - one person, sharing 5.3cM with him

Telfermagne
12-10-2013, 04:05 PM
Set at 4 gp, 5 cM, no colonials/new worlders:

United Kingdom & Northern Ireland - 5%
Ireland - 0.9%
Poland - 0.8%
Germany - 0.8%
Russia - 0.5%
Ukraine - 0.5%
France - 0.4%
Spain - 0.2%
Norway - 0.2%
Netherlands - 0.2%
Italy - 0.2%
Hungary - 0.2%
Sweden - 0.1%
Slovakia - 0.1%
Serbia - 0.1%
Lithuania - 0.1%
Finland - 0.1%
Czech Republic - 0.1%
Croatia - 0.1%
Bulgaria - 0.1%

Táltos
12-11-2013, 04:20 AM
I am surprised at some of my Mom's 4GP/5cM/ No Colonials. Such as the UK getting her top spot. She does have Colonial ancestry, that I'm not all too certain about her most distant maternal ancestor's ethnicity. Other big surprises are Poland and Russia coming in at 0.8 and 0.7. She even has a 4GP from India! I really have to wonder how all these paths have crossed over time. I have found her results to be very interesting.

United Kingdom- 2.9%
Greece- 1.5%
Italy- 1.3%
Romania- 0.8%
Poland- 0.8%
Russia- 0.7%
Germany- 0.6%
Bosnia and Herzegovina- 0.5%
Finland- 0.4%
Bulgaria- 0.4%
Netherlands- 0.3%
Ireland- 0.3%
Brazil- 0.3%
Albania- 0.3%
Ukraine- 0.2%
Spain- 0.2%
Slovenia- 0.2%
India- 0.2%
Croatia- 0.2%
Venezuela- 0.1%
Turkey- 0.1%
Sweden- 0.1%
Slovakia- 0.1%
Serbia- 0.1%
Palestinian Territory- 0.1%
Norway- 0.1%
Montenegro- 0.1%
Macedonia- 0.1%
Hungary- 0.1%
Guyana- 0.1%
France- 0.1%
Cyprus- 0.1%
Cuba- 0.1%
Colombia- 0.1%
Bolivia- 0.1%
Belarus- 0.1%
Malta- 0.1%

Joe B
12-11-2013, 10:59 PM
AC Speculative is 0.1% for Eastern Europe.
4 gp, 5 cM, Unchecked US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa matches

Russia 3.0%
Ukraine 2.7%
Germany 2.5%
Poland 1.8%
United Kingdom 1.6%
Ireland 1.5%
Hungary 1.5%
Netherlands 1.2%
Romania 1.1%
Austria 1.0%
Italy 0.8%
Belarus 0.6%
France 0.5%
Switzerland 0.3%
Lithuania 0.3%
Latvia 0.3%
Venezuela 0.2%
Mexico 0.2%
Greece 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.2%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Moldova 0.1%
Macedonia 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Ecuador 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Costa Rica 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%

MitchellSince1893
12-12-2013, 12:47 AM
4 gp, 5 cM, Unchecked US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa matches

United Kingdom 5.4%
Ireland 1.1%
Germany 1.1%
Finland 1.1%
Sweden 0.8%
Norway 0.4%
Russia 0.3%
Estonia 0.3%
Denmark 0.3%
Argentina 0.3%
Ukraine 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Cuba 0.2%
Switzerland 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
India 0.1%
Hungary 0.1%
Haiti 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
France 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%

Tolan
12-12-2013, 11:12 AM
4 gp, 5 cM, No Colonials:

Germany 0.5%
United Kingdom 0.4%
Ukraine 0.4%
Italy 0.4%
Ireland 0.4%
Finland 0.4%
Poland 0.3%
Norway 0.3%
Sweden 0.2%
Spain 0.2%
France 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.2%
Romania 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%


Colonials:
United States 6.4%
Canada 0.7%
Australia 0.5%
Mexico 0.1%
Dominican Republic 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%

evon
12-29-2013, 12:32 PM
My grandmother got her first fully Romanian at about 10cM (she has a few Romani matches with mixed countries included in the default setting from before), and my Uncle got his first fully Italian at about 10cM. Its funny about the Italian as it turns out the village where my grandfather is born in, has a low population and a Italian surname in circulation, so it might actually be the case that there is some distant Italian ancestry along that linage, i need to do some more digging into his family tree though, but since they were nomadic its very hard to find anything.

Default:

Granny:

Norway 6.6%
Netherlands 0.3%
Ireland 0.3%
Germany 0.3%
Denmark 0.3%
Sweden 0.2%
Romania 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Chile 0.1%

Uncle:

Norway 5.3%
Ukraine 0.2%
Sweden 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Ireland 0.2%
Iceland 0.2%
Germany 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Chile 0.1%
Netherlands 0.0%
Italy 0.0%

Ponto
12-31-2013, 01:45 PM
4 GP 5 cM, no Colonials

Malta 7.8%
Italy 3.1%
Greece 0.5%
United Kingdom 0.4%
Poland 0.3%
Dominican Republic 0.2%
Venezuela 0.1%
Uruguay 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Algeria 0.1%
Afghanistan 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%
Denmark 0.0%

Solothurn
12-31-2013, 02:02 PM
4 GP 5 cM

United Kingdom 6.7%
Ireland 2.8%
Netherlands 1.2%
Germany 0.8%
Norway 0.7%
Sweden 0.6%
Russia 0.6%
Brazil 0.6%
Romania 0.4%
Poland 0.4%
Italy 0.4%
Finland 0.4%
Denmark 0.4%
Portugal 0.3%
India 0.3%
Hungary 0.3%
Spain 0.2%
Iran 0.2%
Honduras 0.2%
Guyana 0.2%
France 0.2%
Belarus 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Mongolia 0.1%
Indonesia 0.1%
Haiti 0.1%
Dominican Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%

MfA
12-31-2013, 02:19 PM
4gp 5cM
3.5% - Turkey
0.8% - Iran
0.4% - Syria
0.4% - Poland
0.2% - Netherlands
0.2% - Germany
0.2% - Armenia
0.1% - United Kingdom
0.1% - Spain
0.1% - Russia
0.1% - Romania
0.1% - Norway
0.1% - Italy
0.1% - Greece

1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish:
9.8%–10.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish:
0.3%–1.1%

Dimanto
01-23-2014, 06:33 AM
Me: http://s20.postimg.org/tlcyh0zux/COA_Ruben.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/tlcyh0zux/)
I have to add that my Italian percentage must be higher in reality because I have a 1st match from Napoli who didn't list his father as Italian while he is Italian. And I have a 4th match from Napoli who isn't sharing any info or didn't fill in anything because she's not visible in my COA. But these are not the only ones I see this problem with.

This one is more representive as a realistic COA because the half Italians on this setting of 2+ are matching trough my paternal side: http://s20.postimg.org/s8iecnw5l/COA_new_with_2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/s8iecnw5l/)

My mum's: http://s20.postimg.org/sx43y3155/COA_mum.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/sx43y3155/)

My indicator for Jewish ancestry: Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 1.5%–1.7% Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%–0.2%

My mum's indicator for Jewish ancestry: Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 2.4%–2.8% Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%–0.4%

* these were all with the standard settings

AJL
01-23-2014, 05:24 PM
1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish:
9.8%–10.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish:
0.3%–1.1%

I would think this is more likely to indicate slight Kurdish Jewish ancestry in Ashkenazim, rather than actual Ashkenazi ancestry in you.

Mandoos
01-23-2014, 07:13 PM
I'm not sure why Ireland mistakenly shows up.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/10r2r2c.jpg

Scarlet Ibis
01-24-2014, 04:16 AM
Me: http://s20.postimg.org/tlcyh0zux/COA_Ruben.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/tlcyh0zux/)
I have to add that my Italian percentage must be higher in reality because I have a 1st match from Napoli who didn't list his father as Italian while he is Italian. And I have a 4th match from Napoli who isn't sharing any info or didn't fill in anything because she's not visible in my COA. But these are not the only ones I see this problem with.

This one is more representive as a realistic COA because the half Italians on this setting of 2+ are matching trough my paternal side: http://s20.postimg.org/s8iecnw5l/COA_new_with_2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/s8iecnw5l/)

My mum's: http://s20.postimg.org/sx43y3155/COA_mum.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/sx43y3155/)

My indicator for Jewish ancestry: Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 1.5%–1.7% Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%–0.2%

My mum's indicator for Jewish ancestry: Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 2.4%–2.8% Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%–0.4%

* these were all with the standard settings


If you don't mind my asking, where, in Italy, is your earliest known paternal ancestor from? I'm sure all of us here with U152 dads would be interested to know. :)

Dimanto
01-30-2014, 04:08 AM
Napoli (Campagnia region), but I don't no more than Napoli. I can probably have family from other regions in Italy, but I don't have the luck of knowing my paternal side of the family yet.


If you don't mind my asking, where, in Italy, is your earliest known paternal ancestor from? I'm sure all of us here with U152 dads would be interested to know. :)

Dimanto
01-31-2014, 01:38 AM
I have to add that I have a lot of Sicilian matches also. Mainly Palermo.


If you don't mind my asking, where, in Italy, is your earliest known paternal ancestor from? I'm sure all of us here with U152 dads would be interested to know. :)

rickymac54321
02-20-2014, 10:47 PM
This is what I got. My mom's side is from the Philippines. My dad's known ancestry was from England, Ireland, Germany and France.

1461

Kraai
02-27-2014, 05:44 AM
Here's under the default segment size:

United Kingdom
1.9%
Netherlands
1.1%
Poland
0.2%
Serbia
0.1%
Macedonia
0.1%
Italy
0.1%
Ireland
0.1%
Germany
0.1%
Denmark
0.1%
Belgium
0.1%
Sweden
0.0%

I must say that as the segments get smaller, it gets wackier... I have matches from India in the smaller segments! I suppose they're no relations that are recent or even real however.

Telfermagne
03-03-2014, 12:47 AM
Got some updates, the list grew a bit too long even at the default settings for a single screen capture so I present a typed version with some comments.


From ISOGG: Segments that are 10 cM or greater can indicate common ancestry within the past 5 generations. Segments that are 5-9 cM can cover a range of 6-11 generations. Segments that are under 5cM can indicate ancient ancestry.

additional notes: a generation is commonly held to be anywhere from 20-35 years.

(listed most recent to most distant)

Recent -

Ireland: 1 relevant genetic relative was revealed by this utility. The segment is 21.6 cM long which can indicate a 3rd cousin once removed with a common ancestor within the last 4-5 generations, so approximately 80-175 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1854 A.D. to 1909 A.D.).

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland: 14 relevant genetic relatives were revealed by this utility. The largest segment is 14.5 cM which can indicate a 4th cousin with a common relative within the last 5 generations, so approximately 100-175 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1854 A.D. to 1889 A.D.).

Poland: 3 relevant genetic relatives were revealed by this utility. The largest segment is 11.6 cM which can indicate a 4th cousin with a common relative within the last 5 generations, so approximately 100-175 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1854 A.D. to 1889 A.D.).

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Distant -

Croatia: 1 relevant genetic relative was revealed by this utility. The segment is 9.3 cM which can indicate a 4th cousin once removed with a common ancestor within the last 5-6 generations, so approximately 100-210 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1779 A.D. to 1889 A.D.).

Hungary: 2 relevant genetic relatives were revealed by this utility. The largest segment is 8.5 cM which can indicate a 4th cousin once removed with a common ancestor within the last 5-6 generations, so approximately 100-210 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1779 A.D. to 1889 A.D.).

Ukraine: 1 relevant genetic relative was revealed by this utility. The segment is 8.3 cM which can indicate a 4th cousin once removed with a common ancestor within the last 5-6 generations, so approximately 100-210 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1779 A.D. to 1889 A.D.).

Russia: 1 relevant genetic relative was revealed by this utility. The segment is 8.3 cM which can indicate a 4th cousin once removed with a common ancestor within the last 5-6 generations, so approximately 100-210 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1779 A.D. to 1889 A.D.).

Germany: 2 relevant genetic relatives were revealed by this utility. The largest segment is 7.7cM which can indicate a 4th cousin once removed with a common ancestor within the last 5-6 generations, so approximately 100-210 years prior to the emergence of my genetic signature in 1989 (1779 A.D. to 1889 A.D.).

MfA
03-03-2014, 12:36 PM
Update
4gp 5cM
4.4% - Turkey
0.8% - Iran
0.4% - Syria
0.4% - Poland
0.3% - Russia
0.3% - Italy
0.2% - Netherlands
0.2% - Germany
0.2% - Finland
0.2% - Armenia
0.1% - United Kingdom
0.1% - Spain
0.1% - Romania
0.1% - Norway
0.1% - Greece
0.1% - Denmark

1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
11.1%–11.4%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.3%–1.3%

DMXX
03-03-2014, 04:49 PM
Is there any indication of the ethnic background of your Turkish and Iranian matches, MfA? I'd imagine a large proportion (if not most) are Kurdish.

the SUN child
03-03-2014, 04:51 PM
I'm 100% Kurdish, 99.2% from Kurdistan Zagros Aryan mountains!


http://s29.postimg.org/ef15cb9rb/23and_Me.jpg

http://s30.postimg.org/wstrgp9gx/123.jpg


http://imageshack.com/a/img59/7097/b9op.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img547/269/l3np.jpg


I'm GREEN point.

https://imageshack.com/a/img835/2006/okef.jpg

https://imageshack.com/a/img845/8899/b2ob.jpg

MfA
03-03-2014, 05:21 PM
Is there any indication of the ethnic background of your Turkish and Iranian matches, MfA? I'd imagine a large proportion (if not most ) are Kurdish.

They are mostly Kurds or Turkish speaking Alevis from the area.. Good portion of Turkish diaspora are actually Kurds from Turkey who live in abroad for political and economical reasons.. Many Dersimis had to leave their homes for Europe and US. Dersim probably has one of the most immigrants outside of Turkey, that also boosts my match count.. This is also evident Kurdish individuals from Turkey in my database (https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zwaWMt9dBBcE.kGPSKk03GBe8). People from other regions couldn't afford to immigrate abroad and 23andme doesn't send kits to Turkey, many regions are undersampled because of that.

Only one of my Iranian match has returned to me so far who has a Kurdish mother..

Palisto
03-03-2014, 09:20 PM
They are mostly Kurds or Turkish speaking Alevis from the area..

It would be interesting to see if Turkish Alevis cluster closer to Kurdish/Zaza Alevis than to Turkish Sunnis. I believe that this is indeed the case suggesting that the Alevi branch of Islam is not necessary a "Turkish" phenomen but a "Kurdish/Zaza" one.

MfA
03-03-2014, 09:42 PM
It would be interesting to see if Turkish Alevis cluster closer to Kurdish/Zaza Alevis than to Turkish Sunnis. I believe that this is indeed the case suggesting that the Alevi branch of Islam is not necessary a "Turkish" phenomen but a "Kurdish/Zaza" one.

They are not just closer, they are right inside the Kurdish clusters like other Kurds, virtually no difference with close to nill East Eurasian admixture, high in Gedrosia, moderate Caucasus and pseudo South Asia.. I had another Alevi from Erzincan on my share list who's 23andMe ancestry composition is generic Kurdish, he also had high IBD matches with other Kurds.. I don't think Alevis from Western Turkey(Tahtadji) or Central is Kurdish, only the ones from Erzincan, Erzurum, Eastern Sivas, Malatya..

Palisto
03-04-2014, 12:51 AM
Update
4gp 5cM
4.4% - Turkey
0.8% - Iran
0.4% - Syria
0.4% - Poland
0.3% - Russia
0.3% - Italy
0.2% - Netherlands
0.2% - Germany
0.2% - Finland
0.2% - Armenia
0.1% - United Kingdom
0.1% - Spain
0.1% - Romania
0.1% - Norway
0.1% - Greece
0.1% - Denmark

1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
11.1%–11.4%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.3%–1.3%

My results:
4gp 5cM

1.5% - Iran
0.5% - Italy
0.3% - Turkey
the rest is 0.1%...

The last name of my Italian match is "Cordato" :)

Humanist
03-04-2014, 02:03 AM
4 gp, ≥ 5 cM (> 0.1%)
2.2% - Iraq
0.4% - Turkey
0.3% - Russia [an Assyrian from Iran]
0.2% - United Kingdom
0.2% - Lebanon


1 gp, ≥ 5 cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
8.5%–8.5%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.1%–0.1%

Mamluk
03-04-2014, 12:44 PM
My father's top countries matches, at 4 GP, 5cM:
1545

His relative matches, outside of Syria-Palestine:
1546

Since a couple of years ago, some relative matches he used to have are no longer listed.

Mamluk
03-04-2014, 12:50 PM
My wife's top countries matches, at 4 GP, 5cM:
1547

at 4 GP, 6.5cM:
1548

Her relative matches, outside of Syria-Palestine:
1549

I contacted the Moroccan match, and they are Sephardic Jews originally from Spain. The only connection we can think of there, is that during the Spanish Inquisition some Jews fled to Constantinople, and Safed (Tzfat) in Palestine (supposedly Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent granted them asylum in his territories), where our families come from.

evon
03-04-2014, 06:58 PM
I wonder, how many here experiences multiple matches on these seemingly "cold spots"?

Aprox(Not same persons as picture, but a overlapping segment): 19000000 23000000
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af228/njal2010/eeee.png

And

Aprox(Not same persons as picture, but a overlapping segment): 86000000 100000000
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af228/njal2010/bbbbb.png

MfA
03-04-2014, 08:41 PM
I wonder, how many here experiences multiple matches on these seemingly "cold spots"?

Aprox(Not same persons as picture, but a overlapping segment): 19000000 23000000

And

Aprox(Not same persons as picture, but a overlapping segment): 86000000 100000000


This was bugging me for some time.. I have total 250 CoA matches, 43 of them from this very segment..

evon
03-04-2014, 11:12 PM
This was bugging me for some time.. I have total 250 CoA matches, 43 of them from this very segment..

Yes, iknow, i have seen it many times...I think we are dealing with one, and possible two cold spots, i have had it in mind for a very long time, but it seems people dont have much to say on the subject..

The 2nd chr segment have an age of atleast 1000-1500 years, maybe longer, i can deduce this from matching people in India via my maternal Romani ancestry.

The 22nd chr segment might be just as old, but i dont have any confirmed Romani ancestry on my paternal side, but my paternal aunt matches a Turkish woman there, and the Turk match people from all over (from the top of my head i would think the segment has around 100-200 matches for her) on that spot, but only my aunt have the Afghan match and the Turkish women only have 995 matches, so she is not at the 1000 limit yet, so what does this mean, does it only seem to overlap, while not really doing so?

evon
03-05-2014, 11:14 AM
Ok, been looking at the overlap in FIA, there is clearly something not quite right with how 23andme functions at the moment, could it be due to differences in chipset and such?


-----------------Chromosome Start point End point Genetic distance # SNPs


Aunt < Turkish: 22 19000000 23000000 10.1 cM 908
Turkish < Norwegian: 22 18000000 23000000 12.7 cM 1010

But when i compare my Aunt with Norwegian i get another segment match on chr 9, and nothing on the 22nd chr:
Aunt < Norwegian: 9 91000000 99000000 7.6 cM 1500

Mamluk
03-08-2014, 03:03 AM
His relative matches, outside of Syria-Palestine:
1546

Our English match is puzzling. All of his ancestral surnames are English, and he lists the following as ancestral locations:
Family Locations: London, UK; Oldham, Uk; Rye, UK; Rotherham, UK; Wolverhampton, UK

Maybe it's from a medieval-era DNA segment.

AJL
03-08-2014, 03:53 AM
Maybe it's from a medieval-era DNA segment.

Given that Ashkenazim and Iberoamericans appear in each others' RFs pretty often, and these links must date back to Spain and Portugal before 1492, matches in the late Middle Ages seem quite possible. There's one match where I've identified a possible common ancestor born in the 1590s.

Then again that could also just be a phantom match. My mother has no paper-trail ancestry from anywhere east of Germany and yet among her CoA there's a match with all 4 grandparents from Greece (5.4 cM), another from Croatia (6.3 cM), and another from Palestine (6.0 cM). The matches are all very isolated from any other of her matches and are on different chromosomes so it's not as if this can be easily attributed to one ancestor.

At least her 8.8 cM match with a Cuban makes some sense because of a history of French settlement and English invasion there.

Mamluk
03-08-2014, 04:58 AM
Given that Ashkenazim and Iberoamericans appear in each others' RFs pretty often, and these links must date back to Spain and Portugal before 1492, matches in the late Middle Ages seem quite possible. There's one match where I've identified a possible common ancestor born in the 1590s.

Then again that could also just be a phantom match. My mother has no paper-trail ancestry from anywhere east of Germany and yet among her CoA there's a match with all 4 grandparents from Greece (5.4 cM), another from Croatia (6.3 cM), and another from Palestine (6.0 cM). The matches are all very isolated from any other of her matches and are on different chromosomes so it's not as if this can be easily attributed to one ancestor.

At least her 8.8 cM match with a Cuban makes some sense because of a history of French settlement and English invasion there.

Maybe in your mother's case the direction goes the other way. Maybe the Balkan matches have an ancestor that came from Germany. That area was in the Austro-Hungarian empire (except Greece?). Palestine, as we know, is a strange case... It's always been a melting pot, a spiritual destination and a geographic crossroads. (I'm testing my sister-in-law's father, who is from Jaffa, but his mother is of Prussian descent.). My grandfather went to a German (Templar) school in Jerusalem, and the German Templars (and their auxiliary support) resurrected a presence in Palestine (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22276494)during the Ottoman period.

Our Serbian-Croatian (and Macedonian and Albanian) matches confirms what my grandmother used to tell me about her family's ancestry.

Oftentimes we think of gene flow and population movements as primarily from south (Near East and Mediterranean) to north, as in Neolithic times, and not so much north to south, as in some historical events. (?)

AJL
03-08-2014, 06:06 PM
That's an excellent point. Certainly for a Croatian, German ancestry is not impossible; I also wonder if French ancestry is Lebanon is a possible explanation for a Palestinian match.

vettor
03-08-2014, 06:14 PM
That's an excellent point. Certainly for a Croatian, German ancestry is not impossible; I also wonder if French ancestry is Lebanon is a possible explanation for a Palestinian match.

I have a (gedmatch) french match (french christian and surname) from lebanon/syria ...........IIRC france owned this area after WW1. Person calls himself a lebanon christian.

evon
03-11-2014, 06:37 PM
Our latest CoA 5cM 4gp results:

Mine:

United States 14.9%
Norway 11.4%
United Kingdom 3.3%
Sweden 2.1%
Ireland 1.6%
Canada 1.6%
Germany 1.4%
Denmark 1.1%
Finland 1.0%
Netherlands 0.7%
Russia 0.6%
Greece 0.5%
France 0.5%
Turkey 0.4%
Ukraine 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
India 0.3%
Austria 0.3%
Australia 0.3%
Poland 0.2%
Croatia 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Luxembourg 0.0%
Hungary 0.0%

Paternal Aunt:


Norway 15.2%
United States 10.6%
United Kingdom 2.2%
Canada 1.4%
Germany 1.1%
Ireland 1.0%
Sweden 0.9%
Poland 0.8%
Netherlands 0.8%
Denmark 0.7%
Italy 0.6%
Russia 0.5%
Finland 0.5%
Belgium 0.4%
Australia 0.4%
Switzerland 0.3%
Spain 0.2%
Portugal 0.2%
Lithuania 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
France 0.2%
Estonia 0.2%
Cuba 0.2%
Venezuela 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Kuwait 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Afghanistan 0.1%
Slovenia 0.0%


Maternal Uncle:



United States 13.2%
Norway 9.7%
United Kingdom 1.9%
Canada 1.9%
Sweden 1.3%
Ireland 1.1%
Germany 1.0%
Denmark 1.0%
Netherlands 0.6%
Finland 0.6%
Russia 0.4%
Australia 0.4%
Ukraine 0.3%
Romania 0.3%
Poland 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
Iceland 0.3%
France 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.2%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.2%
Belgium 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
New Zealand 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Cyprus 0.1%
Chile 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Jordan 0.0%


Maternal Grandmother:



United States 14.3%
Norway 11.5%
United Kingdom 2.8%
Ireland 2.3%
Sweden 2.1%
Denmark 1.4%
Canada 1.2%
Germany 1.1%
Netherlands 1.0%
Finland 0.8%
Romania 0.6%
Italy 0.5%
Poland 0.4%
Hungary 0.4%
Mexico 0.3%
Macedonia 0.3%
Serbia 0.2%
Russia 0.2%
Jamaica 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Belgium 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
New Zealand 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
India 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
France 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Chile 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Australia 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Ukraine 0.0%
Slovakia 0.0%
Cuba 0.0%


No real surprises except the New Afghan match for my aunt..

Táltos
03-26-2014, 05:18 PM
That's an excellent point. Certainly for a Croatian, German ancestry is not impossible; I also wonder if French ancestry is Lebanon is a possible explanation for a Palestinian match.

My Mom has a 4GP to Palestinian Territory. Now that my daughter and my results are in for COA we also share this same match with my Mom. I have been wondering if it was a Balkan connection? They are listed as private so no idea.

Táltos
03-26-2014, 05:21 PM
Here are my husband's COA/4GP/5cm. He has a surprising match to Jamaica that shows up in his overview. They share 19.7 cm, but that match is private too.

Ireland 8.1%
United Kingdom 6.1%
Germany 1.8%
Sweden 1.3%
Netherlands 0.9%
Russia 0.7%
Romania 0.7%
Poland 0.7%
Norway 0.7%
Ukraine 0.5%
Italy 0.5%
Slovakia 0.4%
Finland 0.4%
Denmark 0.4%
Slovenia 0.3%
Lithuania 0.3%
India 0.3%
Czech Republic 0.3%
Colombia 0.3%
Portugal 0.2%
Mexico 0.2%
Jamaica 0.2%
France 0.2%
Croatia 0.2%
Turkey 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Macedonia 0.1%
Latvia 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
Hungary 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%
Costa Rica 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%
Malta 0.0%
Argentina 0.0%

Táltos
03-26-2014, 05:28 PM
My 4 GP/5cm. My daughter and myself also got the box about having Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry in our overview. I also discovered a match for my self that has Tatar ancestry, but I haven't been able to find them in COA yet to see where we match. Really cool stuff!

Poland 3.4%
Russia 2.5%
United Kingdom 2.3%
Germany 1.8%
Greece 1.6%
Romania 1.4%
Ukraine 1.2%
Italy 1.2%
Serbia 0.7%
Ireland 0.6%
Croatia 0.6%
Sweden 0.5%
Lithuania 0.5%
Hungary 0.5%
Finland 0.5%
Slovenia 0.4%
Netherlands 0.4%
Latvia 0.4%
Estonia 0.4%
Czech Republic 0.4%
Belgium 0.4%
Belarus 0.4%
Norway 0.3%
Iran 0.3%
France 0.3%
Cuba 0.3%
Bulgaria 0.3%
Austria 0.3%
Slovakia 0.2%
Morocco 0.2%
India 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.2%
Albania 0.2%
Turkey 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Palestinian Territory 0.1%
Montenegro 0.1%
Moldova 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Bolivia 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%

Táltos
03-26-2014, 05:32 PM
And our daughter's 4GP/5cm. She beat both my Mom and myself out at having more Albanian 4GP's! My Mom's current list has her at Albania 0.4. Our daughter also has a lot of interesting countries listed. So far I have been enjoying all the tools that are available at 23andme.

Ireland 4.6%
United Kingdom 3.9%
Russia 2.2%
Poland 1.6%
Italy 1.5%
Germany 1.4%
Ukraine 1.3%
Netherlands 1.0%
Hungary 1.0%
Greece 0.8%
Sweden 0.7%
Norway 0.7%
Finland 0.7%
Romania 0.6%
Denmark 0.6%
Albania 0.6%
Latvia 0.5%
Croatia 0.5%
Iran 0.4%
Slovenia 0.3%
Slovakia 0.3%
Mexico 0.3%
Lithuania 0.3%
Belarus 0.3%
Austria 0.3%
France 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Belgium 0.2%
Turkey 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Palestinian Territory 0.1%
Pakistan 0.1%
Montenegro 0.1%
Moldova 0.1%
Macedonia 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Chile 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Iraq 0.0%

AJL
03-26-2014, 05:52 PM
Here are my husband's COA/4GP/5cm. He has a surprising match to Jamaica that shows up in his overview. They share 19.7 cm, but that match is private too.

In my case, I have been able to pinpoint a Jamaican cousin as sharing English ancestry with me.

Táltos
03-26-2014, 06:15 PM
In my case, I have been able to pinpoint a Jamaican cousin as sharing English ancestry with me.
Thanks! His father is first generation American Irish, so I'm assuming (I know don't assume) that this match is through his Mom. She also has Irish/ some English lines, through her father. They have been in Maryland since the 1840s as far as she knows. So I'm guessing maybe more through New World connection? My husband's first two invites are from the same family. They have Colonial roots and are tri-racial. His parents are considering testing there next, so hopefully one of them will match the person from Jamaica as well to try to sort it out more.

Barellalee
04-28-2014, 10:45 PM
I was wondering, where does it stand now as what we generally know and interpret genetically, archaeologically, and historically about the transition from Roman Britain to Anglo-Saxon England; does the traditional mass Germanic migration from the Continent model still hold water, or is a minority elitist takeover more feasible, in which the Romano-Britons wholesale adopted Anglo-Saxon culture? I am half English, but of course my DNA results are only one persons. My Y DNA I2a1c is believed to have a North Sea Continental origin, and is MRCA dated for a spread from NW Germany no earlier than 2,000 YBP, so to me this is an obvious indicator of Sub Roman arrival from the Continent. BritainsDNA nicknames it the Chauci Subclade after the Ingaevonic Chauci tribe of NW Germany. My 23andMe Autosomal DNA I don't know how to interpret in these historical lights. In Conservative, all my English side is 100% Nonspecific Northern European. In Speculative, my English side is split to nearly 50% British/Irish and 50% French/German. In Standard, It's mostly Nonspecific North Euro, a large part French/German, and a tiny piece British/Irish.

Barellalee
06-10-2014, 11:28 PM
@Dimanto However realistic it may or may not be, there is some scientific speculation about the presence of pockets of R1b-U152 in Campania being tied to the Ligures Apuani that were deported there during the Roman Empire. Have you heard of this? Interestingly, one end of my Italian family is from Campania, and another end is from the Massa-Carrara Province in Tuscany, which is the heart of the Apuani original homeland. The Apuani were a major warrior tribe of the local Ligurians, were were quite a problem for Roman advancement in the area. In the Massa-Carrara and Lucca Provinces, R1b-U152 is beyond ridiculously profuse, and although I'd love to know what they are, none of my male relatives on that side of the famil have tested. Due to this, it can be reasonable ascertained that R1b-U152 was greatly present among the ancient Ligurians. Anyway, once conquered, multitudes of the population were deported to the Campania Region, I'm not sure but I think somewhere in the Benevento Province area. This transplant community, became known as the Apuani "Baebani". R1b-U152 is present, just must less so, in Campania. This has been one hypothesis, but to me, it could just also be a smaller extension of a particular Haplogroup spread with Italics or Pre-Italics.

Barellalee
06-10-2014, 11:47 PM
Im sorry I typed the above message on the wrong thread DUH! I cant figure out how to delete it. If it can be managed, please do so.

Barellalee
06-10-2014, 11:48 PM
@Dimanto However realistic it may or may not be, there is some scientific speculation about the presence of pockets of R1b-U152 in Campania being tied to the Ligures Apuani that were deported there during the Roman Empire. Have you heard of this? Interestingly, one end of my Italian family is from Campania, and another end is from the Massa-Carrara Province in Tuscany, which is the heart of the Apuani original homeland. The Apuani were a major warrior tribe of the local Ligurians, were were quite a problem for Roman advancement in the area. In the Massa-Carrara and Lucca Provinces, R1b-U152 is beyond ridiculously profuse, and although I'd love to know what they are, none of my male relatives on that side of the famil have tested. Due to this, it can be reasonable ascertained that R1b-U152 was greatly present among the ancient Ligurians. Anyway, once conquered, multitudes of the population were deported to the Campania Region, I'm not sure but I think somewhere in the Benevento Province area. This transplant community, became known as the Apuani "Baebani". R1b-U152 is present, just must less so, in Campania. This has been one hypothesis, but to me, it could just also be a smaller extension of a particular Haplogroup spread with Italics or Pre-Italics.

Barellalee
06-10-2014, 11:49 PM
Sorry it was the right thread just further up and Ive accidently posted it again by clicking something. Trying do delete all this, but cant.

FaerieQueene
06-25-2014, 07:04 AM
I'll post these screenshots in this thread for now:


Me
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad102/FaerieQueene517/3c01223894819e09a45b628979ffdc27_zps8ed924e8.jpg

Mom
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad102/FaerieQueene517/41657fe84d12690cfd2df328dcf34031_zps60c97fb6.jpg

Dad
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad102/FaerieQueene517/eafcc032fcc3e898fb726f97071e34f2_zps526780c2.jpg

Alpine Hominin
06-25-2014, 06:27 PM
My top 5 at 4GP/5cm:

United Kingdom 5.9%
Ireland 3.2%
Germany 1%
Poland 0.7%
Finland 0.7%

Stephen1986
06-25-2014, 07:48 PM
My current matches at 4GP and 5cM -

United Kingdom 11.8%
Ireland 2.1%
Sweden 0.9%
Germany 0.7%
Portugal 0.6%
Poland 0.6%
Denmark 0.6%
Norway 0.4%
Italy 0.4%
Finland 0.4%
Turkey 0.2%
Russia 0.2%
Romania 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
Cuba 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
France 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%
Greece 0.0%


My brother's current matches at 4GP and 5cM -

United Kingdom 13.2%
Ireland 2.4%
Germany 1.0%
Sweden 0.8%
France 0.6%
Finland 0.6%
Poland 0.5%
Norway 0.5%
Netherlands 0.4%
Portugal 0.3%
Hungary 0.3%
Denmark 0.3%
Cuba 0.3%
Austria 0.3%
Russia 0.2%
Romania 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Colombia 0.2%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.2%
Belgium 0.2%
Trinidad and Tobago 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Turkey 0.0%
Switzerland 0.0%
Iran 0.0%

Tolan
06-26-2014, 07:25 AM
Coutries of ancestry is a great tool, but it would be necessary to know the total number of people by country which have their 4 native grandparents, to be able to make percentages.
Because the number of people vary enormously from one country to another ...
23andme could certainly do it!

geebee
06-26-2014, 09:08 AM
I still have the objection that my most recent immigrant ancestors were three of my second great grandparents. The other thirteen great grandparents were each several generations removed from immigration.

So why is this significant? It's because my closest immigrant ancestry is generations before any of my cousins' grandparents. To put it another way, the fact that all four of my grandparents were born in the same country -- the U.S. -- and all but three of their sixteen grandparents also were born in the U.S., doesn't mean all my cousins have American ancestors. (Though virtually all of my near cousins do.)

For most people, "grandparents" are people born who were after 1900. Indeed, for my daughter -- who is well into her 20s -- a "grandparent" is someone born between 1923 and 1932. Just how much migration occurred even within Europe prior to these years? Or how about during the entire 19th century, or the 18th?

So say someone's four grandparents were all born in Italy, but one of those was from northern Italy. Maybe that grandparent has one or most grandparents who were born in Austria, or Switzerland? In such a case, if I share DNA with one of their descendants, does it mean I have Italian ancestry? Maybe it means my Italian cousin has Austrian ancestry, or maybe we both have German ancestry.

Thus, for Americans with colonial roots, matches to people who simply have all four grandparents from the same country may be close to meaningless. In my family, I've had occasion to trace ancestors back to the "Old Country", only to sometimes find that it was the "new" Old Country, and their ancestors were from another country before that! This is particularly true for people with colonial German ancestry, since there was no "Germany" as such during the American colonial period, but several "Germanies". Even if your ancestors didn't move, often the boundaries did.

The same persons could find themselves in France at one point, and in "Germany" at another, all without going anywhere. But, there was in fact a lot of movement within Europe -- especially within the various German states -- on account of events such as the "30 Years' War".

So people like my father, an American whose most recent immigrant ancestors seem to have arrived in this country by 1750, and all of them seem to have been from either the British Isles or "the Palatine", shows up with these "Countries of Ancestry":

United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany (fine so far); Finland, Poland, Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, Argentina, and Brazil. I find the inclusion of Argentina and Brazil a bit odd, since those are colonial countries in my book. I suppose they're included because a person from either might have indigenous ancestry. But that's actually true in the U.S., too, just not to the same degree.

Interestingly, nearly every country listed after Germany has at least a small German populous -- and yet these are "Countries of Ancestry" for my father. In fact, my father's ancestry is probably more relevant to these cousins than vice versa.

(Curiously, for a while "Italy" was one of the countries in my father's list, but it now seems to have disappeared. One purported Italian cousin of my father's was "public", though, so I was able to see his name. It turns out his surname is most commonly found in northern Italy, and Austria and Switzerland.)

For myself, "Countries of Ancestry" are: United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany -- all of which again make sense based on both my parents' ancestry. Then we have Denmark, Spain, Slovenia, and Portugal. Well, I'm not sure why Denmark, Slovenia, or Portugal; but two of my mother's great grandparents were from the Spanish island of Menorca, so Spain certainly would make some sense. But then Brazil and Norway round out the list, and I again suspect it isn't because of Brazilians or Norwegians in my tree, but maybe because of Germans in my cousins' trees.

EDIT: I might note that some of my siblings have "Russia" in their COA list. As it happens, my (rare) German surname is found among the names of the Volga colonists, who later migrated back to Germany; and even later migrated to places like ... Argentina.

2nd EDIT: Upon some further investigation, I found that the DNA I share with my (one) Brazilian cousin is in a region identified by Ancestry Composition as neither Northern nor Southern European, but as "broadly European". Because he's public, I could find his profile. One of his ancestral regions is the Azores. Of course that's out in the Atlantic and a long way from the Mediterranean, but I would still guess that our common connection is an Iberian one. Possibly Spanish, but who knows?

3rd EDIT: Okay, Italy is still in my father's list. In fact, it's 4th -- just after Germany and before Finland. However, I can now find only one segment, where before there were two. Still, the individual is public and her surname is associated with Northern Italy, with France, and with Switzerland. In fact, Tessin, Switzerland, has the 2nd highest frequency of the surname. (Emilia-Romagna has the highest frequency.)

Salkin
09-02-2014, 10:50 AM
I'm surprised Denmark isn't in the top three... And on default it's at the very bottom of the list!

At 4GP and 5cM:

Sweden 6.5%
Norway 3.8%
United Kingdom 2.2%
Germany 1.6%
Finland 1.5%
Ireland 1.4%
Netherlands 1.3%
Denmark 1.2%
Italy 1.1%
Spain 0.8%
Russia 0.8%
Poland 0.8%
Hungary 0.6%
Belgium 0.6%
Portugal 0.5%
Switzerland 0.3%
Romania 0.3%
Mexico 0.3%
France 0.3%
Estonia 0.3%
Belarus 0.3%
Uruguay 0.2%
Syria 0.2%
India 0.2%
Iceland 0.2%
Cuba 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Vietnam 0.1%
Turkey 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Serbia 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Lebanon 0.1%
Kazakhstan 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Ukraine 0.0%
El Salvador 0.0%
Cyprus 0.0%
Barbados 0.0%

vettor
09-02-2014, 06:34 PM
?

3rd EDIT: Okay, Italy is still in my father's list. In fact, it's 4th -- just after Germany and before Finland. However, I can now find only one segment, where before there were two. Still, the individual is public and her surname is associated with Northern Italy, with France, and with Switzerland. In fact, Tessin, Switzerland, has the 2nd highest frequency of the surname. (Emilia-Romagna has the highest frequency.)


There are not many north-italians in 23andme............here is a list of some of their associated surnames
Sbrissa
Corso
Cemin
Toigo
Guidolin
Bet
Rech
Less
Canato
and a few others

If you can let me know what surname, privately and also the town, I have access to BDM for north italy until 1806


Also, 23andme "borrow" north-italian, austrian and swiss from other companies, 23andme does not run a separate part for these groups........so you will end up with Italian or French-German

Dimanto
09-02-2014, 09:46 PM
Are you referring to me here ? I'm R1b-U152. I have some Sicilian matches who are also R1b-U152 by the way and I think there are more than a few Neapolitans with that same Y-DNA..What are you trying to say here ?


@Dimanto However realistic it may or may not be, there is some scientific speculation about the presence of pockets of R1b-U152 in Campania being tied to the Ligures Apuani that were deported there during the Roman Empire. Have you heard of this? Interestingly, one end of my Italian family is from Campania, and another end is from the Massa-Carrara Province in Tuscany, which is the heart of the Apuani original homeland. The Apuani were a major warrior tribe of the local Ligurians, were were quite a problem for Roman advancement in the area. In the Massa-Carrara and Lucca Provinces, R1b-U152 is beyond ridiculously profuse, and although I'd love to know what they are, none of my male relatives on that side of the famil have tested. Due to this, it can be reasonable ascertained that R1b-U152 was greatly present among the ancient Ligurians. Anyway, once conquered, multitudes of the population were deported to the Campania Region, I'm not sure but I think somewhere in the Benevento Province area. This transplant community, became known as the Apuani "Baebani". R1b-U152 is present, just must less so, in Campania. This has been one hypothesis, but to me, it could just also be a smaller extension of a particular Haplogroup spread with Italics or Pre-Italics.

J Man
11-01-2014, 09:07 PM
My updated results. Threshold set at the 4 gp 5cM level. Pretty much all of my Finnish matches are between the 5cM and 15cM sizes. Actually none exceed more than 15.5 cM

Finland: 10.0%
United Kingdom: 6.7%
Ireland: 2.3%
Sweden: 1.6%
Italy: 1.6%

Telfermagne
01-24-2015, 07:57 PM
Looked at mine again, using the default threshold (as such no segments smaller than roughly 7 cM were reported). *jpg showing results is attached below


I have some questions with regard to the length of segments/strength of genetic matches:


*Borrowed from ISOGG’s article about FTDNA’s Family Finder: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Family_Finder

• 10 cMs or higher indicates a match usually within 5 generations (4th or more recent cousins)* - better chance to find a match with a highly developed genealogy
• 5-9 cMs can cover a range of 6 to 11 generations (5th to distant cousins)* – later generations may include low level matches that show you probably share a common ancestor but may not be able to effectively trace genealogically
• Below 5 cMs (Mb) gives ancient ancestry

Is the above accurate, and what other reference material would anyone suggest to confirm or refute the above?


Implications (if the above is accurate):

Recent ancestry (within the past 5 generations) appears to be connected to the British, Irish, & Polish. Largest Irish segment is 21.6 cM. Largest British segment is 14.4 cM. Largest Polish segment is 11.6 cM.

More distant ancestry (greater than 5 generations back) appears to be connected to the Croatians (a single segment 9.3 cM in size), Hungarians (2 segments, 8.6 cM & 8.5 cM respectively), Ukrainians (a single segment 8.3 cM in size on the X-Chromosome), Russians (a single segment 8.3 cM in size on the X-Chromosome), and Eastern Germans from Brandenburg and modern day Kaliningrad/Königsberg [Russia] & Mrągowo/Sensburg [Poland] (a single segment 7.5 cM in size).

My questions arise from the lack of Western German matches, in both Relative Finder and Countries of Ancestry (if the above about segment sizes/strengths is accurate, then my Eastward matches seem quite recent and inconsistent with W. German claims regarding origin).

I've tried contacting the matches about the possibility of German ancestry but they send back no indications of such; these matches are distinct from my known Ashkenazi matches (the segment sizes were too small to meet the default threshold of Countries of Ancestry).

I'm curious if the Ostflucht, or Ruhrpolen, is an element to be considered as a lot of that side of the family came here near to or after 1850. The problem with the census documents is that they just list a general place e.g. Germany as place of birth as opposed to a specific municipality and maiden names that may indicate a locality were not always accounted for. Hungarian matches are easy enough to account for (Austro-Hungary), the question is more with Polish, Russian, Ukrainian and Croatian matches.


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Stephen1986
01-30-2015, 07:54 PM
My current matches at 4GP and 5cM -

My brother's current matches at 4GP and 5cM -


My current matches at 4GP and 5cM -

United Kingdom 15.2%
Ireland 2.8%
Germany 1.2%
Sweden 1.1%
Poland 1.0%
Denmark 0.8%
Portugal 0.6%
Norway 0.6%
Italy 0.4%
Finland 0.4%
Russia 0.3%
Hungary 0.3%
Turkey 0.2%
Romania 0.2%
Puerto Rico 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Cuba 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Syria 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Seychelles 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
France 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%

My brother's current matches at 4GP and 5cM -

United Kingdom 13.3%
Ireland 2.5%
Germany 1.0%
Sweden 0.8%
Norway 0.7%
France 0.6%
Finland 0.6%
Poland 0.5%
Netherlands 0.4%
Hungary 0.4%
Russia 0.3%
Portugal 0.3%
Denmark 0.3%
Cuba 0.3%
Austria 0.3%
Romania 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Colombia 0.2%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.2%
Belgium 0.2%
Trinidad and Tobago 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Turkey 0.0%
Switzerland 0.0%
Iran 0.0%

dp
01-30-2015, 09:22 PM
current matches at 4GP, 5cM

DPs aunt
4GP, 5cM
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3657&d=1422652881

4GP, 15cM


http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3658&d=1422652889


Italy seems much higher in her list than yours. I wish her German 27cM match wasn't anonymous... -dp

[edit]
Since we were playing with foreign matches I sent all out invites to many of them. One of the 10cM German matches is now sharing genomes. We only had one segment, about 70% chance of IBD [apparently ISOGG Wiki has changed the numbers, used to be 90% at 9cM I thought].
dp:biggrin1:

J Man
03-01-2015, 02:45 PM
Mine at default. I am only going to post my top 5 countries.

Finland: 5.6%
United Kingdom: 4.0%
Ireland: 1.1%
Sweden: 0.6%
Italy: 0.4%


Mine at the 5 cM 4 gp threshold. Again only my top 5 countries.

Finland: 10.9%
United Kingdom: 8.7%
Ireland: 2.6%
Sweden: 2.1%
Russia: 2.0%

Táltos
03-01-2015, 04:32 PM
My current at default, 4GP top 10.
Poland-1.5%
UK- 1.0%
Romania-0.9%
Italy-0.6%
Russia-0.5%
Latvia-0.5%
Ukraine-0.4%
Hungary-0.4%
Greece-0.4%
Slovakia-0.2%

At 5cm, 4GP.
Poland-4.9%
UK-3.4%
Russia-3.2%
Germany-2.2%
Italy-2.1%
Greece-1.9%
Romania-1.6%
Ukraine-1.5%
Ireland-1.1%
Serbia-0.8%


Ireland sneaking in there is surprising. With the UK I wouldn't expect that either. UK was in the top 10 since I received my results. I can only guess the UK and Ireland are through my Colonial roots.

If I put it all the way to 15cm, I only have one match on my X chromosome, they are from the UK for 15.1 cm. I have to check mark the US, Canada box to have any other matches at that level. Then I have 2.4% from the US. I also see an interesting 45 cm match there with 4GP from USA, but of course they are anonymous.

MfA
03-01-2015, 04:59 PM
Update
4gp 5cM
4.4% - Turkey
0.8% - Iran
0.4% - Syria
0.4% - Poland
0.3% - Russia
0.3% - Italy
0.2% - Netherlands
0.2% - Germany
0.2% - Finland
0.2% - Armenia
0.1% - United Kingdom
0.1% - Spain
0.1% - Romania
0.1% - Norway
0.1% - Greece
0.1% - Denmark

1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
11.1%–11.4%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.3%–1.3%

Update
4gp 5cM
5.8% - Turkey
0.9% - Iran
0.5% - Poland
0.5% - Italy
0.4% - Syria
0.3% - Russia
0.3% - Germany
0.3% - Finland
0.3% - Armenia
0.2% - United Kingdom
0.2% - Netherlands
0.1% - Spain
0.1% - Romania
0.1% - Norway
0.1% - Lithuania
0.1% - India
0.1% - Greece
0.1% - Denmark
0.1% - Czech Republic
0.0% - Portugal

1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
15.8%–16.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.4%–1.7%

Bold New Countries
Underlined New %

CelticGerman
03-01-2015, 05:09 PM
Default: On top Germany 1.0%, Netherlands 0.7%, Poland 0.5%, United Kingdom 0.3%, Denmark 0.2%, Belgium 0.2%, Ukraine 0.1%, Switzerland 0.1%, Sweden 0.1%, Jamaica 0.1%, Brazil 0.1%.

5cM (4 GP): Germany 3.8%, United Kingdom 2.9%, Poland 2.2%, Netherlands 2.1%, Norway 1.1%, Ukraine 0.9%, Sweden 0.9%, Denmark 0.9%, Russia 0.8%, Italy 0.8% ......

evon
03-01-2015, 05:13 PM
Dreaming of a day when the 100 person limit will be dropped...as now its merely a fraction of the people you match whom appear in both CoA and RF..


Default:
Norway 10.1%
United Kingdom 0.9%
Sweden 0.5%
Ireland 0.4%
Denmark 0.4%
Germany 0.3%
Ukraine 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Iceland 0.2%
Finland 0.2%
Austria 0.1%


5cM:
Norway 15.6%
United Kingdom 5.2%
Sweden 2.5%
Ireland 2.1%
Germany 1.9%
Finland 1.4%
Denmark 1.3%
Russia 1.2%
Netherlands 0.9%
Poland 0.6%
India 0.6%
Greece 0.5%
France 0.5%
Ukraine 0.4%
Turkey 0.4%
Italy 0.3%
Austria 0.3%
Portugal 0.2%
Pakistan 0.2%
Lithuania 0.2%
Iceland 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
Croatia 0.2%
Colombia 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Uruguay 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Luxembourg 0.0%

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
43.2%–43.3%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.1%–1.2%

Calamus
03-01-2015, 06:55 PM
My current results:

Default:
Norway 9.8%
Sweden 1.4%
Denmark 0.3%
United Kingdom 0.2%
Slovakia 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Germany 0.0%

5cM:
Norway 17.4%
Sweden 5.1%
United Kingdom 3.1%
Ireland 1.4%
Germany 1.3%
Italy 1.2%
Denmark 1.1%
Finland 1.0%
Netherlands 0.9%
Poland 0.8%
Mexico 0.7%
Ukraine 0.6%
Russia 0.6%
India 0.4%
France 0.4%
Brazil 0.3%
Turkey 0.2%
Portugal 0.2%
Latvia 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
Belgium 0.2%
Austria 0.2%
Venezuela 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Dominican Republic 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%
Spain 0.0%
Serbia 0.0%
Israel 0.0%
Iceland 0.0%

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 49.7%-50.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.2%-2.4%

Stephen1986
03-04-2015, 02:24 PM
My current matches at the default setting -

United Kingdom 8.3%
Sweden 0.4%
Ireland 0.4%
Italy 0.2%
Portugal 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%

My brother's current matches at the default setting -

United Kingdom 9.5%
Ireland 0.9%
Norway 0.4%
Ghana 0.2%
Jamaica 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%

ADW_1981
03-04-2015, 04:09 PM
Dreaming of a day when the 100 person limit will be dropped...as now its merely a fraction of the people you match whom appear in both CoA and RF..



I didn't realize the limit was 100, but I certainly noticed some of the smaller segments gradually dropping off as new ones come in. Extremely annoying.

Defaults

United Kingdom
2.9%
Germany
0.4%
Ireland
0.3%
Denmark
0.3%
Netherlands
0.2%
Spain
0.1%
Iceland
0.1%

Top 5 @ 5cM

United Kingdom
7.2%
Ireland
1.8%
Germany
1.5%
Netherlands
1.3%
Poland
1.0%

Wulf Warrior
03-04-2015, 04:21 PM
Default,

United Kingdom
3.0%
Ireland
0.4%
Germany
0.3%
Russia
0.2%
Poland
0.2%
Sweden
0.1%


Top 5 at 5cM

United Kingdom
8.0%
Ireland
1.9%
Germany
1.3%
Poland
1.1%
Netherlands
0.9%

icebreaker
03-04-2015, 04:42 PM
Default
Turkey 0.8%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Poland 0.1%


5cM
Turkey 1.6%
United Kingdom 0.6%
Russia 0.4%
Iran 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Ukraine 0.3%
Poland 0.3%
Mexico 0.3%
Romania 0.2%
Norway 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Ireland 0.2%
Iraq 0.2%
Greece 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Uzbekistan 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Pakistan 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Hungary 0.0%
Argentina 0.0%

evon
03-04-2015, 05:51 PM
I didn't realize the limit was 100, but I certainly noticed some of the smaller segments gradually dropping off as new ones come in. Extremely annoying.


That should say 1000, typing mistake on my part...

Mamluk
03-04-2015, 07:08 PM
These are the only countries listed on default setting:

Father's at default:
UK 0.2%
Turkey 0.1%
Syria 0.1%
Palestine 0.1%
Bulgaria 0.1%

Wife's at default:
Croatia 0.2%
Serbia 0.1%
Romania 0.1%

But on advanced controls, 4 grandparents at 5cM+ (excluding New World countries):

Father's top 10:
Italy 0.6%
Romania 0.4%
Palestine 0.3%
Lebanon 0.3%
UK 0.2%
Greece 0.2%
Albania 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Syria 0.1%

Wife's top 10:
Russia 0.3%
Poland 0.3%
Lebanon 0.3%
Romania 0.2%
Lithuania 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Ireland 0.2%
Greece 0.2%
Croatia 0.2%
UK 0.1%

If I set it for 3 grandparents from same country, just to see if I get a different variety:

Father's top 10:
Italy
Romania
Palestine
Lebanon
UK
Turkey
Greece
Albania
Syria
Croatia

Wife's top 10:
Poland
Russia
Lebanon
Romania
Ireland
Greece
Lithuania
Italy
Croatia
UK

pwm68
03-04-2015, 09:23 PM
My results at 4gp 5cM

TOP 10
United Kingdom 9.1%
Ireland 5.1%
Germany 2.0%
Poland 1.3%
Netherlands 1.1%
Italy 1.1%
Russia 1.0%
Finland 1.0%
Norway 0.9%
Czech Rep 0.5%

Italy being biggest mystery for me, 23&me AC showing no Southern European ancestry traces.

paulgill
03-28-2015, 12:16 AM
23andMe is garbage company only collecting information on you to sell or use it against you. Transfer your raw data to gedmatch and there be tons of matches from all over for you. If you need information on health related SNPs, get your full genome sequence done and check them at
Promethease (based on SNPedia)
GET-Evidence
Ingenuity Variant Analysis

Varun R
03-28-2015, 12:43 AM
Default:
India 3.4%
Ukraine 0.0%

4 gp, 5 cM
India 7.4%
US 1.3%
UK 0.3%
Canada 0.3%
Norway 0.2%
Russia 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Bangladesh 0.1%
Australia 0.1%
Ukraine 0.0%

Raskolnikov
03-28-2015, 08:04 AM
5 cM colonial unchecked.


India 1.1%


Pakistan 0.5%


United Kingdom 0.3%


Germany 0.1%


Finland 0.1%


Hungary 0.1%


Colombia 0.1%


Sweden 0.1%


Peru 0.1%


Ireland 0.1%


Saudi Arabia 0.1%


Ukraine 0.1%


Portugal 0.1%


Mexico 0.1%

Increasing the slider to 9 cM I get:

India 0.3%


Sweden 0.1%


Germany 0.1%

However, Sweden and Germany overlap and the American cousin with "German" ancestry is probably of Swedish ancestry because the Swedish cousin actually lives in Sweden. No idea how I could have ended up part Swedish if it's actually real ancestry.

BalkanKiwi
04-07-2015, 04:59 AM
Default:

United Kingdom 3.2%
Croatia 0.9%
Serbia 0.6%
Montenegro 0.6%
Italy 0.6%
Ireland 0.6%
Ukraine 0.5%
Poland 0.5%
Russia 0.4%
Romania 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Hungary 0.3%
Denmark 0.3%
Bulgaria 0.3%
Austria 0.2%
Turkey 0.1%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovenia 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Ghana 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%

Top 10 @ 5cM
United Kingdom 8.1%
Poland 2.3%
Ireland 2.3%
Croatia 1.5%
Germany 1.3%
Italy 1.1%
Russia 1.0%
Romania 1.0%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.0%
Ukraine 0.9%

The German is a bit surprising at 5cM. I must admit the matching system is much better at 23AndMe due to the greater range of testers. On FTDNA I mostly get British Isles people.

Bleuteufel
04-07-2015, 07:09 AM
Default

Russia 0.9%
Poland 0.8%
Ukraine 0.3%
Netherlands 0.3%
Germany 0.3%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Dominican Republic 0.1%

5 cm 4gp top 11

Russia 1.9%
Poland 1.7%
Germany 1.6%
United Kingdom 1.3%
Ukraine 1.0%
Romania 0.6%
Norway 0.5%
Latvia 0.5%
Ireland 0.5%
Estonia 0.5%
Denmark 0.5%

Scarlet Ibis
04-07-2015, 07:22 AM
Default

Russia 0.9%
Poland 0.8%
Ukraine 0.3%
Netherlands 0.3%
Germany 0.3%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Estonia 0.1%
Dominican Republic 0.1%

5 cm 4gp top 11

Russia 1.9%
Poland 1.7%
Germany 1.6%
United Kingdom 1.3%
Ukraine 1.0%
Romania 0.6%
Norway 0.5%
Latvia 0.5%
Ireland 0.5%
Estonia 0.5%
Denmark 0.5%

Does this make sense compared to your known ancestry?

Bleuteufel
04-07-2015, 07:38 AM
Yes, I am a quarter German and a quarter ethnic Lett (Latvian) plus some distant Askhenazi from one parent. The only ones I think are maybe from my African American side are the Dominican Republic and a few of the UK /Ireland matches.

BalkanKiwi
04-08-2015, 12:30 AM
Out of interest, how does 23andMe determine which countries appear in the "Countries of Ancestry" list on the Ancestry Overview page? For example here is my list on the Ancestry Overview page:

http://i.imgur.com/Kkn3uO1.png

However on both default and on 5cM, countries like Italy, Ireland, Germany and even Romania (higher than Ukraine on default) somehow appear on the overview list. How are they selected to appear on that list? I can understand that they represent my higher percentages on ancestry composition but I thought it was more match based.

I posted my full lists on the previous page but I'll post again here.

Default:

United Kingdom 3.2%
Croatia 0.9%
Serbia 0.6%
Montenegro 0.6%
Italy 0.6%
Ireland 0.6%
Ukraine 0.5%
Poland 0.5%
Russia 0.4%
Romania 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Hungary 0.3%
Denmark 0.3%
Bulgaria 0.3%
Austria 0.2%
Turkey 0.1%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Slovenia 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Ghana 0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%

Top 10 @ 5cM
United Kingdom 8.1%
Poland 2.3%
Ireland 2.3%
Croatia 1.5%
Germany 1.3%
Italy 1.1%
Russia 1.0%
Romania 1.0%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.0%
Ukraine 0.9%

Tolan
04-08-2015, 07:14 AM
Out of interest, how does 23andMe determine which countries appear in the "Countries of Ancestry" list on the Ancestry Overview page? For example here is my list on the Ancestry Overview page:


I would like to know the answer of this question too!
I also have a difference:
In Overview:
UK
France
Italy
Aland Islands
Ireland

In Ancestry tools:
Defaut:
UK: 0,4%
France: 0,3%
Sweden: 0,2%
Ireland: 0,2%
Estonia: 0,2%
The following are at 0,1%

5cM:
UK: 1,6%
Italy: 1%
Germany: 1%
Poland: 0,8%
Ireland: 0,7%
France: 0,7%

10Cm:
Ireland: 0,2%
France: 0,1%
Aland Islands: 0,1%

BalkanKiwi
04-08-2015, 08:17 AM
I would like to know the answer of this question too!
I also have a difference:
In Overview:
UK
France
Italy
Aland Islands
Ireland

In Ancestry tools:
Defaut:
UK: 0,4%
France: 0,3%
Sweden: 0,2%
Ireland: 0,2%
Estonia: 0,2%
The following are at 0,1%

5cM:
UK: 1,6%
Italy: 1%
Germany: 1%
Poland: 0,8%
Ireland: 0,7%
France: 0,7%

10Cm:
Ireland: 0,2%
France: 0,1%
Aland Islands: 0,1%

I've emailed 23andMe asking this question so hopefully they respond with an adequate answer.

evon
04-08-2015, 08:45 AM
I've emailed 23andMe asking this question so hopefully they respond with an adequate answer.

I think the "Ancestry Overview page list" is more free in showing you matches that will not show up in Countries of Ancestry since they either overlap with health related segments, and are therefore not visible there, and or show you larger segments that are not included in Countries of Ancestry..Remember Countries of Ancestry has a 1000 person limit..

Stephen1986
04-08-2015, 10:27 AM
My Ancestry Overview list in order is (my brother's list is in brackets) -

UK (UK)
Ireland (Ireland)
Jamaica (Norway)
Sweden (Jamaica)
Germany (Ghana)

In CoA default (my brother's in brackets) -

UK 8.8% (UK 9.7%)
Sweden 0.4% (Ireland 0.9%)
Ireland 0.4% (Norway 0.4%)
Italy 0.2% (Ghana 0.2%)
Portugal 0.1% (Jamaica 0.1%)

At 5cM -

UK 16.8% (UK 16.1%)
Ireland 3.2% (Ireland 3.9%)
Germany 1.2% (Germany 2.1%)
Sweden 1.1% (Norway 1.0%)
Poland 1.0% (Sweden 0.9%)

At 10cM (We only have four countries here at 4GP/no colonials) -

UK 5.3% (UK 7.0%)
Ireland 0.2% (Ireland 0.5%)
Norway 0.1% (Norway 0.2%)
Ghana 0.1% (Jamaica 0.1%)

BalkanKiwi
04-09-2015, 09:41 PM
Response from 23andMe.


The Ancestry Overview page and the Countries of Ancestry feature determines your top countries in slightly different ways. The display on the Ancestry Overview page determines your top countries based on segment size. The display in the Countries of Ancestry feature ranks your countries based on percent of genome covered.

It may be the case that you share a particularly long DNA segment with an individual from the United Kingdom but the percentage of genome covered is lower than other countries.

I don't really understand this. Is this segment size data we can't see? By this logic my 15.6cM Italian match should place Italy higher than Ukraine because none of my Ukrainian matches have a segment size that big. Maybe I'm interpreting this incorrectly so feel free to correct me.

Arbogan
04-14-2015, 02:14 AM
Seems mostly like bullshit to me. How the feck would I share ancestors with people from all these countries?





Iran
Iraq
Turkey

--------
United Kingdom
Italy
Russia
Norway
Ireland
Portugal
Netherlands
Finland
Germany
Sweden
Poland
Belarus
Lebanon
Hungary
Bulgaria
Romania
Slovenia
Greece
Egypt
Colombia
Afghanistan
Georgia
United States
Syria
Azerbaijan
France
Czech Republic
Austria
Ukraine
spain
Nicaragua
Mexico
Malta
Macedonia
Latvia
Canada
Belgium
Albania
Venezuela
Turkmenistan
Tunisia
Slovakia
Serbia
Panama
Palestinian Territory
Pakistan
Martinique
Lithuania
Kenya
Cuba
Croatia
Brazil
Argentina
Switzerland
Armenia

J Man
04-14-2015, 03:14 AM
Seems mostly like bullshit to me. How the feck would I share ancestors with people from all these countries?





Iran
Iraq
Turkey

--------
United Kingdom
Italy
Russia
Norway
Ireland
Portugal
Netherlands
Finland
Germany
Sweden
Poland
Belarus
Lebanon
Hungary
Bulgaria
Romania
Slovenia
Greece
Egypt
Colombia
Afghanistan
Georgia
United States
Syria
Azerbaijan
France
Czech Republic
Austria
Ukraine
spain
Nicaragua
Mexico
Malta
Macedonia
Latvia
Canada
Belgium
Albania
Venezuela
Turkmenistan
Tunisia
Slovakia
Serbia
Panama
Palestinian Territory
Pakistan
Martinique
Lithuania
Kenya
Cuba
Croatia
Brazil
Argentina
Switzerland
Armenia

Many of them are probably extremely ancient segments. They could be IBS instead of IBD even.

thrax
04-14-2015, 07:33 AM
Default
Greece 2.5%
Romania 0.9%
Albania 0.7%
Turkey 0.6%
Hungary 0.5%
Bulgaria 0.4%
Russia 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
Croatia 0.3%
Bosnia Herzegovina 0.3%
Ukraine 0.1%
Serbia 0.1%
Polnad 0.1%
FYROM 0.1%
Germany 0.1%

5cM
Greece 6.3%
Romania 2.5%
Poland 2.0%
Russia 1.8%
Italy 1.7%
Albania 1.5%
Hungary 1.4%
Germany 1.2%
Bulgaria 1.2%
UK 1.1%
Ukraine 0.8%
Serbia 0.8%
Bosnia Herzegovina 0.7%
Turkey 0.6%
FYROM 0.5%
Croatia 0.5%

jesus
04-14-2015, 08:09 AM
One grandparent 5 cm

1- Iran 0.8% - 1.4% (17 relative from Iranian Azerbaijan, Fars, Khuzestan and Khorasan)
2- Poland 0.3% - 0.6% ( 4 relatives, one of them is half Iranian)
3- Ukraine 0.3% - 0.3 ( 3 relatives )
4- Saudi Arabia 0.2% (One anonymous relative)
5- Kuwait 0.2% ( 3 relatives, 2 have Iranian ancestry and the other one is anonymous)
6- Iraq 0.2% ( 1 relative)
7- India 0.2% ( 1 relative with non Parsi related Iranian ancestry)
8- Italy 0.1% - 0.5% ( 7 relatives)
9- Russia 0.1% - 0.3% ( 2 relatives)
10- Mexico 0.1% - 0.3% ( 3 relatives, one is half Syrian with the last name Cohen)
11- Bahrain 0.1% - 0.2% ( 2 relatives)
12- Turkey 0.1% - 0.2% (3 relatives)
13- Syria 0.1% - 0.2% ( 3 relatives, one of them is the half Mexican Cohen)
14- Hungary 0.1% - 0.1% (2 relatives)



Over 9 cm and 1 grandparent from the same country
1- Iran ( 3 relatives, one is from Shiraz)
2- Kuwait ( 1 relative with full Iranian ancestry)
3- Bahrain ( 1 anonymous relative but I have some family there)



Overall it makes sense imo.

Wulf Warrior
04-14-2015, 03:44 PM
Top 5

Countries of Ancestry
It looks like you may have ancestry from these countries, because large pieces of your DNA are identical to that of other 23andMe members from those places.

United Kingdom
Ireland
Germany
Poland
Netherlands

4 Grandparents, 5cM

United Kingdom
8.1%
Ireland
1.9%
Germany
1.3%
Poland
1.1%
Netherlands
0.9%
Russia
0.8%
Sweden
0.5%
Portugal
0.4%
Italy
0.4%
Ukraine
0.3%
Romania
0.3%
Norway
0.3%
Mexico
0.3%
Hungary
0.3%
Denmark
0.3%
Belgium
0.3%
Switzerland
0.2%
Lithuania
0.2%
Finland
0.2%
Czech Republic
0.2%
Brazil
0.2%
Argentina
0.2%
Spain
0.1%
Slovakia
0.1%
Serbia
0.1%
Puerto Rico
0.1%
Nicaragua
0.1%
Jamaica
0.1%
Greece
0.1%
France
0.1%
Croatia
0.1%
Chile
0.1%
Bulgaria
0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina
0.1%

Stephen1986
04-24-2015, 09:56 AM
My brother and myself have a few new matches in CoA that are unusual for our cousins -

An American whose grandparents were from Georgia-Armenia-Azerbaijan-Armenia who shares 6.9cM with me and the same amount with my brother.
An American whose grandparents were from Russia-Norway-Germany-Germany (we seem to have a few Norwegian-American cousins with links to South Dakota, including at least one who we share more than 10cM with who is fully Norwegian as far as they know) who shares 8.9cM with me.
An Ashkenazi American whose grandparents were from USA-USA-Poland-Ukraine who shares 8.3cM with me and 8.8cM with my brother.
A German-Canadian whose grandparents were from Germany-Germany-Poland-Poland who shares 6.5cM with me.
An American whose grandparents were from Slovenia-Slovenia-Austria-Hungary who shares 6.3cM with my brother.
An American whose grandparents were from Poland who shares 7.9cM with my brother.
An American whose grandparents were from Poland-Poland-Germany-Germany and shares 6.5cM with my brother.

Stellaritic
05-09-2015, 08:45 AM
4 grandparents +7.5 cM
Algeria 0.3%
Sweden 0.1%
Saudi Arabia 0.1%
Morocco 0.0%

@ 7cM (4 grandparents )
Algeria 0.3%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Saudi Arabia 0.1%
Morocco 0.0%

@ 5 cM (4 grandparents)
Morocco 0.7%
Spain 0.5%
Italy 0.5%
Saudi Arabia 0.4%
Portugal 0.3%
Algeria 0.3%
Turkey 0.2%
Sweden 0.2%
Romania 0.2%
Qatar 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Peru 0.2%
Mexico 0.2%
Lebanon 0.2%
France 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
Bahrain 0.2%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Slovakia 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Ireland 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
Dominican Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Costa Rica 0.1%
Chile 0.1%
Albania 0.1%

Mellow
05-09-2015, 05:15 PM
Many of them are probably extremely ancient segments. They could be IBS instead of IBD even.

How does that work? I thought it only went back 500 years.

J Man
05-09-2015, 06:10 PM
How does that work? I thought it only went back 500 years.

It likely goes quite a bit further back than that. 23andme is likely wrong in some of their predictions. Nothing really is completely set in stone when it comes to genetics just yet.

BalkanKiwi
05-25-2015, 11:04 AM
My Ancestry Overview list had updated with the addition of Ireland in place of Russia.

http://i.imgur.com/Chcp6YQ.png

Jessie
05-25-2015, 02:58 PM
We all have varied COA. Here is the default setting at 4 grandparents. It appears to be all over the place. If I put it at 5cm the list gets huge for all of us so I've left it at the default setting.

Mother

Ireland 10.7%
United Kingdom 4.1%
Finland 0.6%
Sweden 0.3%
Netherlands 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
France 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%

My brother

Ireland 8.4%
United Kingdom 3.2%
Italy 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Sweden 0.3%
Norway 0.2%
Dominican Republic 0.2%
Jamaica 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Hungary 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Venezuela 0.0%

Mine

Ireland 8.6%
United Kingdom 3.9%
Sweden 0.2%
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0.2%
Dominican Republic 0.2%
Romania 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Netherlands 0.1%
Jamaica 0.1%
Iceland 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%

Daughter

Ireland 6.4%
United Kingdom 5.0%
Portugal 0.6%
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0.2%
Norway 0.2%
Dominican Republic 0.2%
Iceland 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%

Mellow
05-25-2015, 08:05 PM
Greece 9.4%
Albania 4.2%
Serbia 4.0%
Romania 3.2%
Italy 2.8%
Croatia 1.7%
Bulgaria 1.7%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.7%
Poland 1.3%
Montenegro 1.2%
Turkey 1.1%
United Kingdom 0.9%
Macedonia 0.7%
Germany 0.6%
Russia 0.4%
Ukraine 0.4%

leonardo
05-25-2015, 11:33 PM
Seems mostly like bullshit to me. How the feck would I share ancestors with people from all these countries?





Iran
Iraq
Turkey

--------
United Kingdom
Italy
Russia
Norway
Ireland
Portugal
Netherlands
Finland
Germany
Sweden
Poland
Belarus
Lebanon
Hungary
Bulgaria
Romania
Slovenia
Greece
Egypt
Colombia
Afghanistan
Georgia
United States
Syria
Azerbaijan
France
Czech Republic
Austria
Ukraine
spain
Nicaragua
Mexico
Malta
Macedonia
Latvia
Canada
Belgium
Albania
Venezuela
Turkmenistan
Tunisia
Slovakia
Serbia
Panama
Palestinian Territory
Pakistan
Martinique
Lithuania
Kenya
Cuba
Croatia
Brazil
Argentina
Switzerland
Armenia

Don't forget, this list is all inclusive of the ancestries of your matches. Some don't obviously pertain. For example, say you have a match with a person who is of German and Filipino descent. You may match him through your German ancestry, but the Philippines will be on your list as a place of possible ancestry, since 23andMe doesn't know how you match this person, or through which side of his ancestry. You have no Filipino ancestry, but it is on your list. That is why a person who has all 4 grandparents from the same nation is the best barometer. If you match, you know through what nation is the the shared ancestry.

Jutlander
06-08-2015, 02:42 PM
4725

I noticed some people were confused about why the list on the Ancestry overview was not the same as any list generated on the COA, regardless of adapting the thresholds. I went through the whole list on the spreadsheet file marking every single match that was 4GP from the same non-Melting pot Nations at only 7cms or above and what i got was the same as the overview list. This is exactly how it works.

Obviously its still only a guide and high possibility as it depends on who does a test in the first place and no doubt is less common for people from certain countries to take part in DNA testing.

ADW_1981
06-08-2015, 03:05 PM
Some changes, but still very much "north of the Alps".

United Kingdom
8.4%
Ireland
2.3%
Germany
1.7%
Netherlands
1.5%
Denmark
1.1%
Poland
1.0%
Finland
0.9%
Sweden
0.8%
Italy
0.6%
Spain
0.5%
Norway
0.5%
France
0.5%
Portugal
0.4%
Brazil
0.4%
Belgium
0.4%
Hungary
0.3%
Austria
0.3%
Ukraine
0.2%
Switzerland
0.2%
Russia
0.2%
Romania
0.2%
Iceland
0.2%
Greece
0.2%
Bulgaria
0.2%
United States Minor Outlying Islands
0.1%
Mexico
0.1%
Macedonia
0.1%
Lithuania
0.1%
Jamaica
0.1%
Estonia
0.1%
Cyprus
0.1%
Bosnia and Herzegovina
0.1%
Bahamas
0.1%
Argentina
0.1%
Slovakia
0.0%
Czech Republic
0.0%
Cuba
0.0%

In contrast my father's sister who inherited more South European DNA from my grandparents than my father did (0.5% Iberian, 0.1 Sardinian, 1.7% Non-Specific South Euro). Only slightly different CoA but more southern Europe.

United Kingdom
9.9%
Ireland
1.7%
Germany
1.1%
Sweden
1.0%
Netherlands
0.9%
Italy
0.9%
Finland
0.9%
Russia
0.8%
France
0.7%
Spain
0.6%
Romania
0.5%
Poland
0.5%
Norway
0.5%
Denmark
0.4%
Turkey
0.2%
Switzerland
0.2%
Mexico
0.2%
Iceland
0.2%
Belgium
0.2%
Argentina
0.2%
Venezuela
0.1%
Ukraine
0.1%
Puerto Rico
0.1%
Portugal
0.1%
Nicaragua
0.1%
Montenegro
0.1%
Jamaica
0.1%
Iraq
0.1%
Greece
0.1%
Estonia
0.1%
Czech Republic
0.1%
Cyprus
0.1%
Croatia
0.1%
Costa Rica
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
Chile
0.1%
Bulgaria
0.1%
Brazil
0.1%
Belarus
0.1%
Lithuania
0.0%

Mamluk
06-08-2015, 08:27 PM
4 GP at 7.5cM+

It seems as new data arrives in the system, also some data might get deleted if it's possible that users inactivate or delete their accounts (?). (Countries that used to show up are not there anymore.)

Dad's:
4744

Wife's:
4745

ADW_1981
06-08-2015, 10:23 PM
4 GP at 7.5cM+

It seems as new data arrives in the system, also some data might get deleted if it's possible that users inactivate or delete their accounts (?). (Countries that used to show up are not there anymore.)



I think it's a limitation on their side. It's probably some value in a config file somewhere. Generating matches is resource intensive and they either don't have the capacity or couldn't be bothered to increase this value.

PureEvil
06-09-2015, 12:57 AM
Mine:
United Kingdom
7.7%
Ireland
3.2%
Germany
2.5%
Netherlands
1.3%
Norway
1.2%
Sweden
0.7%
Finland
0.6%
Portugal
0.5%
Poland
0.5%
Denmark
0.5%
Mexico
0.4%
Italy
0.4%
Belgium
0.4%
Spain
0.3%
Russia
0.3%
Puerto Rico
0.3%
Hungary
0.3%
Peru
0.2%
Greece
0.2%
France
0.2%
Czech Republic
0.2%
Chile
0.2%
Bulgaria
0.2%
Ukraine
0.1%
Turkey
0.1%
Switzerland
0.1%
Slovakia
0.1%
Luxembourg
0.1%
Iran
0.1%
Ecuador
0.1%
Croatia
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
Argentina
0.1%
Albania
0.1%

shazou
06-13-2015, 08:31 AM
Mine, and my mom and dad's COA results.

Me:
http://i.imgur.com/IaV7u0a.jpg
Dad:
http://i.imgur.com/1bfdxBx.jpg
Mom:
http://i.imgur.com/fu8JoFS.jpg

Goujian
07-01-2015, 04:36 PM
http://puu.sh/iJBCG.png

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 07:41 PM
So far I'm the only afghan that score 0.3% Ashkenazi ancestry at 4GP, segment length i forgot.

Why do afghans have United Kingdom at top of their list? I have it at 0.5% 4GP, sharing with 5 Brits of full native ancestry, at 6.2cm i think. Italy is high on my list as we'll, sharing with 5 Italians.

I'll post my list later on tonight.

surbakhunWeesste
07-01-2015, 07:50 PM
So far I'm the only afghan that score 0.3% Ashkenazi ancestry at 4GP, segment length i forgot.

Why do afghans have United Kingdom at top of their list? I have it at 0.5% 4GP, sharing with 5 Brits of full native ancestry, at 6.2cm i think. Italy is high on my list as we'll, sharing with 5 Italians.

I'll post my list later on tonight.

What are you talking about with the Askenzaim % ?

http://i.imgur.com/fq8uLzu.png

http://i.imgur.com/y6FBTTF.png

DMXX
07-01-2015, 08:01 PM
Why do afghans have United Kingdom at top of their list? I have it at 0.5% 4GP, sharing with 5 Brits of full native ancestry, at 6.2cm i think. Italy is high on my list as we'll, sharing with 5 Italians.


Over-representation of NW Euro-descent folks in 23andMe's database. At 1GP-5cM, my second place is Germany. At 4GP-5cM, my second place is a tie with various groups, most of which are N/NW European.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:04 PM
What are you talking about with the Askenzaim % ?
I do share 0.1% with Brits and I am Afghan! I don't share with Italians. You must be Euro a in disguise playing Afghan.

http://i.imgur.com/fq8uLzu.png

http://i.imgur.com/y6FBTTF.png

I don't know! In also score French, North Sea and North Atlantic on K36 not to mention East med. I also score 7.6% Western European on eurogenes k12b whereas most afghans score 0-4%, as we'll as 3.67% Western European on eurogenes k12, most afghans score 0%. Surely I can't have western euro ancestry no way.

What do you mean you don't? What kind of euros do you share with? I get Western Europeans not Eastern euros. Btw I also get 2 Spanish matches!

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:05 PM
As with the Ashkenazim, I get 0.3% detected Ashkenazi at 4GP. Most afghans I hsvd on 23andme score 0% or at the most 0.1%.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:07 PM
Over-representation of NW Euro-descent folks in 23andMe's database. At 1GP-5cM, my second place is Germany. At 4GP-5cM, my second place is a tie with various groups, most of which are N/NW European.

I havevt even checked at 1GP. I'll post mine later on tonight.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:09 PM
Over-representation of NW Euro-descent folks in 23andMe's database. At 1GP-5cM, my second place is Germany. At 4GP-5cM, my second place is a tie with various groups, most of which are N/NW European.

But mine is at 4GP. I get an average of 6cm with Brits. Phenotypically the public profile ones look your average Englishman.

surbakhunWeesste
07-01-2015, 08:10 PM
I don't know! In also score French, North Sea and North Atlantic on K36 not to mention East med. I also score 7.6% Western European on eurogenes k12b whereas most afghans score 0-4%, as we'll as 3.67% Western European on eurogenes k12, most afghans score 0%. Surely I can't have western euro ancestry no way.

What do you mean you don't? What kind of euros do you share with? I get Western Europeans not Eastern euros. Btw I also get 2 Spanish matches!

How much Askenazim do you have on your 23& me? I posted you my European % result.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:13 PM
Is it weird if I'm not sharing with that many afghans? I'm only sharing with 3 afghans. The afghans I have score with 12-20 afghans. WTF.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:17 PM
Is it weird if I'm not sharing with that many afghans? I'm only sharing with 3 afghans. The afghans I have score with 12-20 afghans. WTF.

0.1%, then underneath it says 2.4% broadly European. Check your askhenazi on the countries of ancestry at 4GP 5cm. What do you get?

DMXX
07-01-2015, 08:20 PM
But mine is at 4GP. I get an average of 6cm with Brits. Phenotypically the public profile ones look your average Englishman.

Another point to consider is that "cold spots" exist in everyone's genome; these are highly-preserved areas (usually near the centromeres and telomeres) which are inherited practically untouched for generations. That is a primary reason why, for instance, you'll find multiple "matches" congregating around some parts of your chromosomes.

Phenotype is irrelevant here. Even if, for whatever reason, you had reason to suspect recent ancestry from the British Isles. I have several medium-ish segments with Isles folk (e.g. ~6.8cM segment with fully Irish woman). This is a frequent find for West Eurasians (segments from across that half of the super-continent). I wouldn't get too distracted by it.

Also, please don't double quote the same message; if you have further thoughts after one post, feel free to edit that in the 24 hour window.

surbakhunWeesste
07-01-2015, 08:24 PM
0.1%, then underneath it says 2.4% broadly European. Check your askhenazi on the countries of ancestry at 4GP 5cm. What do you get?

http://i.imgur.com/yrL8LCN.png

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:25 PM
Another point to consider is that "cold spots" exist in everyone's genome; these are highly-preserved areas (usually near the centromeres and telomeres) which are inherited practically untouched for generations. That is a primary reason why, for instance, you'll find multiple "matches" congregating around some parts of your chromosomes.

Phenotype is irrelevant here. Even if, for whatever reason, you had reason to suspect recent ancestry from the British Isles. I have several medium-ish segments with Isles folk (e.g. ~6.8cM segment with fully Irish woman). This is a frequent find for West Eurasians (segments from across that half of the super-continent). I wouldn't get too distracted by it.

Also, please don't double quote the same message; if you have further thoughts after one post, feel free to edit that in the 24 hour window.

Alright, but I'm pretty new to this 23andme stuff. Btw there's another laghmani i found through my dna relative list, she's 5% euro. She's also mtdna T.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/yrL8LCN.png

Most get either 0% or 0.1%. Where do you think this came from?

surbakhunWeesste
07-01-2015, 08:52 PM
Most get either 0% or 0.1%. Where do you think this came from?

So you get 0.1% total Askenazi on the Oracle but 0.3% Askenazi @ 4GP; 5cm? Strange.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 08:58 PM
So you get 0.1% total Askenazi on the Oracle but 0.3% Askenazi @ 4GP; 5cm? Strange.

Oracle? You mean AC? Yep, i know.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 10:46 PM
heres my countries of ancestry results

at 1GP, 5cm

India
1.2%–1.2%
United Kingdom
0.5%–0.9%
Pakistan
0.5%–0.5%
Italy
0.4%–1.0%
Afghanistan
0.4%–0.6%
Norway
0.3%–0.4%
France
0.3%–0.4%
Iran
0.3%–0.3%
Finland
0.3%–0.3%
Ireland
0.2%–0.7%
Russia
0.2%–0.4%
Bulgaria
0.2%–0.3%
Sri Lanka
0.2%
Nicaragua
0.2%
Honduras
0.2%
Bangladesh
0.2%
Poland
0.1%–0.8%
Sweden
0.1%–0.5%
Spain
0.1%–0.4%
Switzerland
0.1%–0.2%
Romania
0.1%–0.2%
Cuba
0.1%–0.1%
Chile
0.1%–0.1%
Dominican Republic
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
United States
0.0%–1.4%
Ukraine
0.0%–0.6%
Germany
0.0%–0.6%
Turkey
0.0%–0.4%
Mexico
0.0%–0.4%
Greece
0.0%–0.3%
Croatia
0.0%–0.3%
Belarus
0.0%–0.3%
United States Minor Outlying Islands
0.0%–0.2%
Uganda
0.0%–0.2%
Slovakia
0.0%–0.2%
New Zealand
0.0%–0.2%
Malta
0.0%–0.2%
Kuwait
0.0%–0.2%
Japan
0.0%–0.2%
Hungary
0.0%–0.2%
China
0.0%–0.2%
Canada
0.0%–0.2%
Brazil
0.0%–0.2%
Austria
0.0%–0.2%
Armenia
0.0%–0.2%
Thailand
0.0%–0.1%
Slovenia
0.0%–0.1%
Philippines
0.0%–0.1%
Netherlands
0.0%–0.1%
Myanmar
0.0%–0.1%
Morocco
0.0%–0.1%
Ecuador
0.0%–0.1%
Denmark
0.0%–0.1%
Czech Republic
0.0%–0.1%
Belgium
0.0%–0.1%
Argentina
0.0%–0.1%

i share with 11 indians, most afghans score similar or less than me. most of them are muslims, could it be due to admixture during the mughals?
i also share with 11 italians, some are half american.
the turks i share with are 1/2 greek 1/2 turk, 1/4 turk 1/4 greek 1/2 ukranian and 1/2 turk 1/2 USA
interestingly i also score with 1 armenian...them being 1/2 italian.
the moroccan is actually half iranian, no supsrises there.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 10:51 PM
at 4GP 5cm

India
1.2%
United Kingdom
0.5%
Pakistan
0.5%
Italy
0.4%
Afghanistan
0.4%
Norway
0.3%
Iran
0.3%
France
0.3%
Finland
0.3%
Sri Lanka
0.2%
Russia
0.2%
Nicaragua
0.2%
Ireland
0.2%
Honduras
0.2%
Bulgaria
0.2%
Bangladesh
0.2%
Switzerland
0.1%
Sweden
0.1%
Spain
0.1%
Romania
0.1%
Poland
0.1%
Dominican Republic
0.1%
Cuba
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
Chile
0.1%

i share with 3 pakistanis, all of them of pashtun or partial pashtun descent.
i share with 3 iranians, 3 afghans( one of them being the popalzai pashtun, seins friend)
4 italians, highest 6.5cm.
5 brits, highest 6.4cm.

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 10:56 PM
i get 3 relatives when on the indicate segmemts declared to be ashkenazi ancestry. at 4GP 5cm i get 0.3%. the relatives are 2 brits and 1 white american.

surbakhunWeesste
07-01-2015, 11:30 PM
at 4GP 5cm

India
1.2%
United Kingdom
0.5%
Pakistan
0.5%
Italy
0.4%
Afghanistan
0.4%
Norway
0.3%
Iran
0.3%
France
0.3%
Finland
0.3%
Sri Lanka
0.2%
.

You get India and all those countries before Afghanistan. Pretty strange and your SA is pretty low of gedmatch, since you are ~72% South Asian on 23 &me.

Its pretty difficult to read it, if you are on mac to take a screenshot (Command+shift+4 : it will allow you to take screen shot of certain section, windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-snipping-tool-capture-screen-shots#1TC=windows-8)

The Barnacle
07-01-2015, 11:40 PM
You get India and all those countries before Afghanistan. Pretty strange and your SA is pretty low of gedmatch, since you are ~72% South Asian on 23 &me.

Its pretty difficult to read it, if you are on mac to take a screenshot (Command+shift+4 : it will allow you to take screen shot of certain section, windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-snipping-tool-capture-screen-shots#1TC=windows-8)

dont you get 8 relatives? another afghan who scores 63%south asian gets 11 relatives as well.

dont you find it more interesting i get UK before afghansitan?! i dont share that many with afghans, only 3. why? i dont understand this at all.

my south asian in GEDmatch is 3-5% lower than Velvet, ive got the second or third highest south asian among the afghans in the spreadsheet etc. could it be my laghmani side?

Plus an Italian I'm sharing with has 2 Indian relatives and one Pakistani. He scores 0% South Asian.

surbakhunWeesste
07-02-2015, 12:23 AM
dont you get 8 relatives? another afghan who scores 63%south asian gets 11 relatives as well.

[QUOTE]dont you find it more interesting i get UK before afghansitan?! i dont share that many with afghans, only 3. why? i dont understand this at all.


I find it interesting that you get India as your first match as an Afghan though it makes sense with your ~72% SA on 23 &me maybe excuse my justification. I wonder what Velvet gets!

The Afghans I share with are all Durranis from Afghanistan as far as I can remember.


my south asian in GEDmatch is 3-5% lower than Velvet, ive got the second or third highest south asian among the afghans in the spreadsheet etc. could it be my laghmani side?

Given your ~72% SA on 23 & me and the raw data you imported to gedmatch, it makes no sense how your SA is around ~18% when Velvet and Adam's are pretty high tbh. Velvet has both ftdna and 23 & me on gedmatch ,I think Adam does too. I compared your's and Velvet's result and it's weirdly unfitting.


Plus an Italian I'm sharing with has 2 Indian relatives and one Pakistani. He scores 0% South Asian.

That happens to all of us(not the same match and the same cms ofc) Those don't really matter to us tbh since we are not Europeans, I am rather interested with the Asian matches first.

Moresesover, the SA% seems relevant given where you are from. Your results are pretty interesting tbh. You should do the K8, I bet your results would be quite interesting. If you have any problem with gedmatch which you seem to have, I can do it for you or ask people here who are generous. All these various DIY calculators available here are pretty interesting.

I was checking my relatives on gedmatch and I didn't see a new match(seeking your result)that means you are not related to me for my family and relatives.

The Barnacle
07-02-2015, 12:59 AM
[QUOTE=The Barnacle;93833]dont you get 8 relatives? another afghan who scores 63%south asian gets 11 relatives as well.



I find it interesting that you get India as your first match as an Afghan though it makes sense with your ~72% SA on 23 &me maybe excuse my justification. I wonder what Velvet gets!

The Afghans I share with are all Durranis from Afghanistan as far as I can remember.



Given your ~72% SA on 23 & me and the raw data you imported to gedmatch, it makes no sense how your SA is around ~18% when Velvet and Adam's are pretty high tbh. Velvet has both ftdna and 23 & me on gedmatch ,I think Adam does too. I compared your's and Velvet's result and it's weirdly unfitting.



That happens to all of us(not the same match and the same cms ofc) Those don't really matter to us tbh since we are not Europeans, I am rather interested with the Asian matches first.

Moresesover, the SA% seems relevant given where you are from. Your results are pretty interesting tbh. You should do the K8, I bet your results would be quite interesting. If you have any problem with gedmatch which you seem to have, I can do it for you or ask people here who are generous. All these various DIY calculators available here are pretty interesting.

I was checking my relatives on gedmatch and I didn't see a new match(seeking your result)that means you are not related to me for my family and relatives.

My South Indian is closer to 19% than let's say 17%. Velvet is 22% South Indian, my k7 I find really interesting, my ENF is 49% nearly 50% whereas all the other afghans are 44-47%. Shenandoah( HRP0286) is 49% as we'll. oh and btw the afghan guys result i posted( thread) is also a Qizilbash from Kabul, I share segments with him too. Judging my results, it seems East eurasuan that is present in most afghans including metspalu afghans has gone into my South Asian, given I pretty much lack EE.

As for the relation, it's a shame, but i wonder why? I share segments with the popalzai individual on GEDmatch and 23andme( seins friend), and HRP0286 on GEDmatcg but that's all. Check 23andme, there's a couple profiles which are private and all I can see is their haplogroups. As for the k8, i don't think I can predict it tbh, sometimes the ENF stays the same or goes higher. My ANE is also 27%, lower than the average.

surbakhunWeesste
07-02-2015, 01:11 AM
[QUOTE]My South Indian is closer to 19% than let's say 17%. Velvet is 22% South Indian, my k7 I find really interesting, my ENF is 49% nearly 50% whereas all the other afghans are 44-47%. Shenandoah( HRP0286) is 49% as we'll.

That's even more interesting. Most durranis result that I have seen score 49%- 51% at least in my family they do. Shenandoah is a barakzai durrani.

Can create a thread for all your gedmatch results?



As for the k8, i don't think I can predict it tbh, sometimes the ENF stays the same or goes higher. My ANE is also 27%, lower than the average.

You can't predict K8, you have to send it to David, he will send your scores back.

The Barnacle
07-02-2015, 01:17 AM
[QUOTE=The Barnacle;93852]

You can't predict K8, you have to send it to David, he will send your scores back.

Zahra the relative finder thingy is weird, i mean your 15% South Indian and you get 8 relatives, another afghan whose 16% South Indian gets the same as me, how does that stand out? VELVET gets 3 or 4 matches so theirs no real correlation.

The Barnacle
07-02-2015, 01:22 AM
[QUOTE=The Barnacle;93852]

You can't predict K8, you have to send it to David, he will send your scores back.

That's for the k7, HRP0370 scores 47.6% in that calculator. Nonetheless she is more western shifted than me, she scores 11% WHG whereas I score 6%.

Gray Fox
07-02-2015, 01:33 AM
Here are mine, set at 4gp and 5cM

5cM

United Kingdom
9.9%
Ireland
2.5%
Germany
1.7%
Netherlands
1.6%
Italy
0.8%
Denmark
0.8%
Sweden
0.7%
Norway
0.7%
Poland
0.6%
Mexico
0.6%
Ukraine
0.5%
Romania
0.5%
Cuba
0.5%
Belgium
0.5%
Spain
0.4%
Argentina
0.4%
Serbia
0.3%
Jamaica
0.3%
France
0.3%
Finland
0.3%
Turkey
0.2%
Slovenia
0.2%
Lithuania
0.2%
Czech Republic
0.2%
Bulgaria
0.2%
Brazil
0.2%
United States Minor Outlying Islands
0.1%
Tonga
0.1%
Syria
0.1%
Russia
0.1%
Portugal
0.1%
Morocco
0.1%
Macedonia
0.1%
Liberia
0.1%
Iran
0.1%
India
0.1%
Greece
0.1%
Faroe Islands
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
Belarus
0.1%
Algeria
0.1%
Albania
0.1%
Puerto Rico
0.0%
Hungary
0.0%
Austria
0.0%

Scarlet Ibis
07-02-2015, 03:40 AM
Here are mine, set at 4gp and 5cM

5cM

United Kingdom 9.9%
Ireland 2.5%
Germany 1.7%
Netherlands 1.6%
Italy 0.8%
Denmark 0.8%
Sweden 0.7%
Norway 0.7%
Poland 0.6%
Mexico 0.6%
Ukraine 0.5%
Romania 0.5%
Cuba 0.5%
Belgium 0.5%
Spain 0.4%
Argentina 0.4%
Serbia 0.3%
Jamaica 0.3%
France 0.3%
Finland 0.3%
Turkey 0.2%
Slovenia 0.2%
Lithuania 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Brazil 0.2%
United States Minor Outlying Islands 0.1%
Tonga 0.1%
Syria 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Morocco 0.1%
Macedonia 0.1%
Liberia 0.1%
Iran 0.1%
India 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Faroe Islands 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Algeria 0.1%
Albania 0.1%
Puerto Rico 0.0%
Hungary 0.0%
Austria 0.0%

Thanks for sharing! Your top 6 countries are identical to my dad's in terms of order.


I decided to have a 2nd look at my own. There are several islands like Jamaica that I wish they'd also exclude when the colonies box is unticked:

United Kingdom
2.0%
Japan
0.5%
Ireland
0.4%
Bahamas
0.3%
Jamaica
0.2%
United States Minor Outlying Islands
0.1%
South Korea
0.1%
Norway
0.1%

5cM 4gp:

United Kingdom
5.5%
Ireland
1.4%
Japan
1.0%
Norway
0.7%
Poland
0.4%
Germany
0.4%
Finland
0.4%
Denmark
0.4%
South Korea
0.3%
Netherlands
0.3%
Bahamas
0.3%
Ukraine
0.2%
Switzerland
0.2%
Sweden
0.2%
Spain
0.2%
Mexico
0.2%
Jamaica
0.2%
Barbados
0.2%
Venezuela
0.1%
United States Minor Outlying Islands
0.1%
Turkey
0.1%
Russia
0.1%
Romania
0.1%
North Korea
0.1%
Nicaragua
0.1%
Lithuania
0.1%
Lebanon
0.1%
India
0.1%
Hungary
0.1%
Ecuador
0.1%
Cuba
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
China
0.1%
Brazil
0.1%
Belgium
0.1%
Bangladesh
0.1%
Austria
0.1%
Italy
0.0%
Hong Kong
0.0%
El Salvador
0.0%

vettor
07-02-2015, 07:06 AM
mine

same for 1 , 2, 3, and 4 GP @ 7cm

Italy .... 1.7%–3.1%
Brazil .... 0.5%
United Kingdom .... 0.3%–0.6%
Poland .... 0.1%–0.4%


1,2 3, 4 GP at 3 cm

Italy...2.9%–5.2%
United Kingdom........0.9%–1.4%
Brazil.........07%–1.3%
Germany.......0.4%–0.8%



The reason I get Brazil is because 2M venetians migrated to ate area of Sao Paolo, Brazil between 1875 and 1905................so there is a very high chance I will have a relative there

evon
07-02-2015, 10:01 AM
I think my aunts Afghan match is via Jewish ancestry, since the segment seems eastern Med oriented with matches in Turkey, Austria and South America..

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/Screenshot%20from%202015-07-02%20115646.png

But Afghanistan is such a diverse place, a melting pot for different peoples for centuries..

The Barnacle
07-02-2015, 12:30 PM
I think my aunts Afghan match is via Jewish ancestry, since the segment seems eastern Med oriented with matches in Turkey, Austria and South America..

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/Screenshot%20from%202015-07-02%20115646.png

But Afghanistan is such a diverse place, a melting pot for different peoples for centuries..

how can you find out how the segment is shifted etc?. i get norway at my list as well.

evon
07-02-2015, 12:33 PM
how can you find out how the segment is shifted etc?. i get norway at my list as well.

I found out via being part of Eurogenes project, but also by looking at potential overlapping segments...

The Barnacle
07-02-2015, 12:40 PM
1GP 5CM, with new world matches added
United States
3.2%–5.6%
India
1.2%–1.2%
United Kingdom
0.5%–1.3%
Pakistan
0.5%–0.7%
Italy
0.4%–1.1%
Afghanistan
0.4%–0.9%
Finland
0.3%–0.5%
Norway
0.3%–0.4%
New Zealand
0.3%–0.4%
France
0.3%–0.4%
Iran
0.3%–0.3%
Ireland
0.2%–0.8%
Russia
0.2%–0.4%
South Africa
0.2%–0.3%
Bulgaria
0.2%–0.3%
Australia
0.2%–0.3%
Sri Lanka
0.2%
Nicaragua
0.2%
Honduras
0.2%
Bangladesh
0.2%
Canada
0.1%–1.3%
Poland
0.1%–1.0%
Sweden
0.1%–0.5%
Spain
0.1%–0.4%
Switzerland
0.1%–0.3%
Romania
0.1%–0.2%
Cuba
0.1%–0.2%
Chile
0.1%–0.1%
Dominican Republic
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
Germany
0.0%–1.0%
Ukraine
0.0%–0.6%
Turkey
0.0%–0.4%
Mexico
0.0%–0.4%
Hungary
0.0%–0.4%
Greece
0.0%–0.4%
Czech Republic
0.0%–0.4%
Croatia
0.0%–0.4%
Austria
0.0%–0.4%
China
0.0%–0.3%
Belarus
0.0%–0.3%
United States Minor Outlying Islands
0.0%–0.2%
Uganda
0.0%–0.2%
Slovakia
0.0%–0.2%
Samoa
0.0%–0.2%
Malta
0.0%–0.2%
Kuwait
0.0%–0.2%
Japan
0.0%–0.2%
Brazil
0.0%–0.2%
Armenia
0.0%–0.2%
Thailand
0.0%–0.1%
Slovenia
0.0%–0.1%
Philippines
0.0%–0.1%
Netherlands
0.0%–0.1%
Myanmar
0.0%–0.1%
Morocco
0.0%–0.1%
Lithuania
0.0%–0.1%
Ecuador
0.0%–0.1%
Denmark
0.0%–0.1%
Belgium
0.0%–0.1%
Argentina
0.0%–0.1%

i get USA, UK and italy as my top matches from europe. can someone anwser this question please:

if im sharing a segment with lets say a brit at 6.2cm, am i more related to him on a INDIVIDUAL level genetically than a afghan brethren who i dont share a segment with?

evon
07-02-2015, 01:00 PM
if im sharing a segment with lets say a brit at 6.2cm, am i more related to him on a INDIVIDUAL level genetically than a afghan brethren who i dont share a segment with?

Yes, but 6.2cM can be very old...I have plenty of segments around 5-7cM that are calculated at around 1000 years old..

The Barnacle
07-02-2015, 01:28 PM
Yes, but 6.2cM can be very old...I have plenty of segments around 5-7cM that are calculated at around 1000 years old..

why arent i sharing with every afghan? isnt there any shared segments given we come from the same country and ethnicity? bit odd

1000 years ago it was the 1100, that was the time of the normans in britain and 100 years after the battle of hastings. doesnt seem that long ago tbh

MonkeyDLuffy
07-04-2015, 05:07 AM
http://i.imgur.com/OD5s82P.png

Sapporo
07-07-2015, 01:58 AM
http://oi57.tinypic.com/29xgs5w.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/16asms2.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/244rzf5.jpg

Kaido
07-07-2015, 02:10 AM
http://i.gyazo.com/d79c8bbf16a38a2ac2bbf284d04bc4fa.png

(Using the same settings as Mugiwara no luffy and SappoBro)

bored
07-07-2015, 03:05 AM
Same settings as Sapporo

http://i.imgur.com/8dUSGAf.png
http://i.imgur.com/4kaM2tE.png
http://i.imgur.com/E6v614D.png
http://i.imgur.com/whIKSXE.png

kenji.aryan
07-07-2015, 05:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UI28EPp.png
http://i.imgur.com/MdbEAAy.png
http://i.imgur.com/Qnv4fyB.png
http://i.imgur.com/KiLXKJu.png
Croatia-0.0

Stephen1986
07-29-2015, 11:37 PM
I'm looking at some of the regional clusters in my Countries of Ancestry matches, and I was wondering what the possible cause of the following matches for myself and my brother were. Do they indicate an ancestor from that region (mainly the former Austria-Hungary, although I included some countries that now have land from that former country)? I know various genetic analyses have suggested some continental ancestry, but I'm fairly sure it's from a country closer to Britain such as the Netherlands or France or one of the Scandinavian nations. Most are quite small, but is this list typical for a British person? The main reason I'm asking is that a possible great great great grandfather might have been from what is now the Olomouc region of the Czech Republic (with an Hungarian last name), before coming to England and marrying an Englishwoman. Some of the matches are public, but most aren't. I have numerous German and Italian matches but didn't include them as they might not have come from anywhere near the former Austria-Hungary.

At 4GP/5cM for myself -

2 Polish matches of 6.3cM
1 Hungarian match of 6.1cM
1 Polish match of 6cM
1 Belarusian match of 6cM
1 Polish match of 5.9cM that overlaps with the above 6cM
1 Hungarian match of 5.9cM
1 Ukrainian match of 5.8cM
1 Romanian match of 5.8cM
1 Polish match of 5.6cM
1 Belarusian match of 5.6cM
1 Romanian match of 5.6cM
1 Czech match of 5.5cM
1 Croatian match of 5.4cM
1 Romanian match of 5.4cM
4 Polish matches of 5.4cM
1 Hungarian match of 5.3cM
1 Austrian match of 5.3cM
1 Belarusian match of 5.3cM
1 Bosnian and Herzegovian match of 5.2cM that overlaps with the following Bulgarian
1 Bulgarian match of 5.1cM
1 Ukrainian match of 5.1M
2 Polish matches of 5cM

My brother's list -

1 Polish match of 7.4cM
1 Polish match of 6.8cM that overlaps with another of 5.2cM
1 Austrian match of 6.6cM
1 Slovakian match of 6.5cM
1 Polish match of 6.3cM
1 Hungarian match of 6.1cM
1 Polish match of 6.1cM
1 Hungarian match of 5.9cM
2 Romanian matches of 5.8cM
1 Polish match of 5.6cM
1 Czech match of 5.5cM
1 Polish match of 5.4cM
1 Polish match of 5.3cM
2 Hungarian matches of 5.3cM
1 Austrian match of 5.2cM
1 Romanian match of 5.2cM
1 Croatian match of 5.1cM
1 Austrian match of 5.1cM
1 Polish match of 5.2cM that overlaps with another of 6.8cM
2 Bosnian and Herzegovinian matches of 5.2cM
1 Polish match of 5.2cM
1 Bulgarian match of 5.1cM that overlaps with one of the above Bosnian and Herzegovinians
1 Hungarian match of 5.1cM
1 Polish match of 5.1cM

Boudicca
08-09-2015, 06:22 PM
Hi Stephen1986,
This is my Dad's CoA Eastern European matches. I got him to test just find out his Y (i2B1*) and mtDNA (H10) but his AC has 1.1% Eastern European, 0.3% MENA and 0.1% AJ which I wasn't expecting as he is British although does have some brick walls!!!
Poland:
7.2
7.1
6.9 and 6.2 overlap
6.4
5.9 and 5.6 overlap
5.8
5.4
5.6 and 5.1 overlap
5.4
5.1
Russia
11 (but not on CoA!)
8.4
5.6
5.3
5.1
5.5 overlaps Polish segment and all appear AJ
5.1 overlaps Polish segment
6.5 and 5.8 overlaps Polish segments
5.9
7 matches to Hungary between 5.1-5.7 cM
Ukraine
7.2
3 other matches between 5.2-5.9cM
Latvia 7.2 (AJ)
Belarus 7 overlaps with Polish and Russian segments

Out of interest, how far back and where in Britain is your possible Czech ancestor living?

Stephen1986
08-09-2015, 07:14 PM
Hi Stephen1986,
This is my Dad's CoA Eastern European matches. I got him to test just find out his Y (i2B1*) and mtDNA (H10) but his AC has 1.1% Eastern European, 0.3% MENA and 0.1% AJ which I wasn't expecting as he is British although does have some brick walls!!!
Poland:
7.2
7.1
6.9 and 6.2 overlap
6.4
5.9 and 5.6 overlap
5.8
5.4
5.6 and 5.1 overlap
5.4
5.1
Russia
11 (but not on CoA!)
8.4
5.6
5.3
5.1
5.5 overlaps Polish segment and all appear AJ
5.1 overlaps Polish segment
6.5 and 5.8 overlaps Polish segments
5.9
7 matches to Hungary between 5.1-5.7 cM
Ukraine
7.2
3 other matches between 5.2-5.9cM
Latvia 7.2 (AJ)
Belarus 7 overlaps with Polish and Russian segments

Out of interest, how far back and where in Britain is your possible Czech ancestor living?

He was born c1877, his mother was English and his father was born c1837 so I think it might be too recent. He was in the same area of a small town that my great great grandmother was in, he was single of a similar age to her, lived very close to her, could have had a lot of contact with her and so on. However, the list of possible fathers of my great grandfather is quite long because I'm finding a lot of possible fathers in the area at the time. Neither my brother or myself have any EE in our AC, although my brother has minor Southern European, North African and East Asian (this also shows up as Middle Eastern in My Origins on FTDNA).

evon
08-09-2015, 08:48 PM
why arent i sharing with every afghan? isnt there any shared segments given we come from the same country and ethnicity? bit odd

1000 years ago it was the 1100, that was the time of the normans in britain and 100 years after the battle of hastings. doesnt seem that long ago tbh

Sorry didnt see this one until now. Well, large segments are not per ethnicity, but per family relations, so even though you might on average share more DNA with a fellow Afghan, you can share larger segments with non-Afghans whom trace their ancestry back to a common ancestor.

BalkanKiwi
08-10-2015, 08:49 PM
An update on country positions. Poland jumped in front of Ukraine.

http://s9.postimg.org/tgpdud3kv/Capture.png

BalkanKiwi
08-27-2015, 02:54 AM
Ireland has been replaced with Montenegro.

http://i.imgur.com/YX9azZJ.png

Stephen1986
09-01-2015, 07:00 PM
I'm finding a handful of Scandinavian and German relatives on Ancestry, so I'm wondering if the continental ancestry that keeps showing up in genetic tests for my brother and myself could be from Scandinavia or Germany (although it could quite easily be from emigration to the region from the UK by relatives of mine from the UK). Here's my Scandinavian matches in COA, followed by those of my brother at 1GP/5cM/no colonials. Is this information useful in any way for proving or disproving relatively recent Scandinavian ancestry (that is, in the last 500 or so years and not during the Viking era).

My matches -

Denmark

PJ 4GP, sharing 6.3cM
PP 4GP, sharing 5.6cM
AK 4GP, sharing 5.5cM
CM 4GP, sharing 5.2cM
CJ 4GP, sharing 5.1cM (grandmother of PJ)

Sweden

MA 4GP, sharing 8.1cM
EO 4GP, sharing 5.1cM

Finland

AS 3GP (other grandparent is Polish), sharing 7.6cM
JH 4GP, sharing 6.2cM
VH 4GP, sharing 5.3cM
EL 4GP, sharing 5.1cM
LS 4GP, sharing 5.1cM

Norway

BE 4GP, sharing 5.8cM
KF 4GP, sharing 5.6cM
KB 4GP, sharing 5.6cM
DK 1GP (two other grandparents are German, one Russian), sharing 8.9cM

Iceland

CB 4GP, sharing 6.3cM

Germany

RA 2GP (other two are Ashkenazi Ukrainians), sharing 8.2cM
TH 4GP, sharing 7.9cM
AK 4GP (is part Polish), sharing 6.5cM
NA 4GP, sharing 6.1cM (on same place as GS)
GS 4GP, sharing 5.3cM
DK 2GP (one other grandparent is Norwegian, one Russian), sharing 8.9cM
JG 5GP, sharing 5cM

My brother's matches (using same initials for people I also match with) -

Denmark

PJ 4GP, sharing 6.1cM
CD 4GP, sharing 5.4cM
FA 4GP, sharing 5.3cM

Sweden

MJ 4GP, sharing 7.1cM
NJ 4GP, sharing 6.4cM
AH 4GP, sharing 6.2cM
HL 4GP, sharing 6.1cM
EL 4GP, sharing 5.9cM
MA 4GP, sharing 5.7cM
SB 4GP, sharing 5.4cM
IS 4GP, sharing 5.6cM
LC 4GP, sharing 5.1cM
EO 4GP, sharing 5.1cM

Finland

AS 3GP (other grandparent is Polish), sharing 7.6cM
MN 4GP, sharing 5.7cM
JT 4GP, sharing 5.6cM
AH 4GP, sharing 5.4cM
MB 4GP, sharing 5.3cM
VH 4GP, sharing 5.3cM
BS 4GP, sharing 5.1cM

Norway

SM 4GP, sharing 10.6cM
HD 4GP, sharing 7.6cM
KN 4GP, sharing 6.8cM on same place as KH and OS, as well as Danish PJ who has some Norwegian ancestry
AL 4GP, sharing 6.3cM
OS 4GP, sharing 5.9cM
KH 4GP, sharing 5.7cM
RH 4GP, sharing 5.7cM
KF 4GP, sharing 5.6cM
KB 4GP, sharing 5.6cM

Iceland

CB 4GP, sharing 6.3cM

Germany

AKB 4GP, sharing 6.9cM on the same place as CG
CG 4GP, sharing 6.3cM
SH 4GP, sharing 6.3cM
AK 4GP, sharing 6.1cM
NA 4GP, sharing 6.1cM (on same place as GS)
JB 4GP, sharing 5.8cM
MB 4GP, sharing 5.7cM
PL 4GP, sharing 5.4cM
DK 4GP, sharing 5.4cM
GS 4GP, sharing 5.3cM
EW 4GP, sharing 5cM
KM 4GP, sharing 5cM
MC 4GP, sharing 5cM
JG 4GP, sharing 5cM

Dorkymon
09-12-2015, 11:11 AM
Countries of ancestry at 4GP/5cM

http://i.imgur.com/4zH1f8l.png
http://puu.sh/k8xyf/6ecc109567.png
http://puu.sh/k8xyP/ff3c202c5d.png
http://puu.sh/k8xzl/d8a24627be.png
http://puu.sh/k8xzL/f8b74af79e.png
http://puu.sh/k8xA5/5f59fdd4be.png
http://puu.sh/k8xAK/ff77e2b15d.png

Stephen1986
09-26-2015, 03:06 PM
Some of my new matches at 4GP -

Turkey 6.8cM
Tanzania 6.4cM
Turkey 5.9cM
Norway 5.8cM
Portugal 5.5cM
Chile 5.3cM
Turkey 5.2cM
Saudi Arabia 5.2cM

Bulut
10-06-2015, 08:49 AM
At 4GP/5 cM, colonies box unchecked.

http://s15.postimg.org/tqcn1sghn/relatives.png

firemonkey
10-08-2015, 07:03 PM
Minimum segment 5cM/4GP


United Kingdom

14.8%

Ireland

3.2%

Germany

1.6%

France

1.4%

Cuba

1.2%

Poland

1.1%

Norway

1.1%

Italy

1.1%

Denmark

1.1%

Mexico

1.0%

Sweden

0.8%

Portugal

0.8%

Greece

0.8%

Czech Republic

0.8%

Brazil

0.8%

Venezuela

0.7%

Netherlands

0.7%

Spain

0.6%

Russia

0.6%

Iran

0.6%

Colombia

0.6%

Finland

0.5%

Croatia

0.4%

Argentina

0.4%

Ukraine

0.3%

Switzerland

0.3%

Romania

0.3%

Jamaica

0.3%

Belgium

0.3%

Turkey

0.2%

Syria

0.2%

Bosnia and Herzegovina

0.2%

Belarus

0.2%

Slovakia

0.1%

Serbia

0.1%

Lithuania

0.1%

Lebanon

0.1%

India

0.1%

Cyprus

0.1%

Bulgaria

0.1%

Austria

0.1%

Asimakidis
11-03-2015, 09:59 PM
Turkey
1.4%
Greece
0.6%
Lebanon
0.2%
Bulgaria
0.2%
Russia
0.1%
Romania
0.1%
Hungary
0.1%
Albania
0.1%

Piquerobi
11-03-2015, 10:11 PM
I will greatly miss the countries of ancestry tool. It was the most useful at 23andme, by far, IMO. One could cross information, see the location of the matches, and even discover cousins (since cousins below 7 cM were not always appeared at relative finder, many of them started appearing at the relative finder after I started sharing with them). In short, one could learn a lot at countries of ancestry.

gruder
11-03-2015, 10:13 PM
4Gp @ 5CM. UK, Ireland, Netherlands, Serbia, and Chile stay all the way to 15CM.

United Kingdom
5.6%
Ireland
2.3%
Chile
0.4%
Serbia
0.3%
Romania
0.2%
Netherlands
0.2%
Germany
0.2%
France
0.2%
Switzerland
0.1%
Russia
0.1%
Puerto Rico
0.1%
Jamaica
0.1%
Italy
0.1%
Denmark
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%

MfA
11-08-2015, 06:58 PM
Update
4gp 5cM
5.8% - Turkey
0.9% - Iran
0.5% - Poland
0.5% - Italy
0.4% - Syria
0.3% - Russia
0.3% - Germany
0.3% - Finland
0.3% - Armenia
0.2% - United Kingdom
0.2% - Netherlands
0.1% - Spain
0.1% - Romania
0.1% - Norway
0.1% - Lithuania
0.1% - India
0.1% - Greece
0.1% - Denmark
0.1% - Czech Republic
>0.1% - Portugal

1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
15.8%–16.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.4%–1.7%

Bold New Countries
Underlined New %

CoA will no longer be available soon, one last update
4gp 5cM
6.5% - Turkey
1.1% - Iran
0.7% - Italy
0.5% - Poland
0.4% - Syria
0.4% - Finland
0.3% - Russia
0.3% - Germany
0.3% - Armenia
0.2% - United Kingdom
0.2% - Spain
0.2% - Netherlands
0.1% - Romania
0.1% - Norway
0.1% - Lithuania
0.1% - Ireland
0.1% - Iraq
0.1% - India
0.1% - Greece
0.1% - Denmark
0.1% - Czech Republic
0.1% - Belgium
0.1% - Azerbaijan
>0.1% - Portugal

1gp 5cM
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
17.3%–17.5%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.4%–1.8%

Bold New Countries
Underlined New %

icebreaker
11-08-2015, 07:32 PM
Default
Turkey 0.8%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Poland 0.1%


5cM
Turkey 1.6%
United Kingdom 0.6%
Russia 0.4%
Iran 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Ukraine 0.3%
Poland 0.3%
Mexico 0.3%
Romania 0.2%
Norway 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Ireland 0.2%
Iraq 0.2%
Greece 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Uzbekistan 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Pakistan 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Hungary 0.0%
Argentina 0.0%

Default
Turkey 0.8%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Ukraine 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Norway 0.1%

4 gp, 5cM
Turkey 1.6%
United Kingdom 0.6%
Mexico 0.5%
Russia 0.4%
Iran 0.4%
Greece 0.4%
Germany 0.4%
Ukraine 0.3%
Poland 0.3%
Ireland 0.3%
Romania 0.2%
Norway 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Iraq 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Uzbekistan 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Sweden 0.1%
Spain 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%
Pakistan 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Cyprus 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Hungary 0.0%
Argentina 0.0%

1+ gp, 5cM

Turkey
1.6%–2.5%

United Kingdom
0.6%– 2.4%

Mexico
0.5%–0.6%

Germany
0.4%–2.0%

Russia
0.4%–1.6%

Iran
0.4%–0.8%

Greece
0.4%–0.6%

Poland
0.3%–1.5%

Ukraine
0.3%–1.0%

Ireland
0.3%–0.8%

Italy
0.2%–1.1%

Romania
0.2%–0.6%

Bulgaria
0.2%–0.6%

Norway
0.2%–0.5%

Denmark
0.2%–0.4%

Iraq
0.2%

Austria
0.1%–0.7%

Sweden
0.1%–0.6%

Czech Republic
0.1%–0.5%

Spain
0.1%–0.4%

France
0.1%–0.3%

Finland
0.1%–0.3%

Cyprus
0.1%–0.3%

Switzerland
0.1%–0.2%

Pakistan
0.1%–0.2%

Cuba
0.1%–0.2%

Uzbekistan
0.1%–0.1%

Portugal
0.1%

United States
0.0%–1.9%

Hungary
0.0%–0.9%

Slovakia
0.0%–0.4%

Netherlands
0.0%–0.4%

Lithuania
0.0%–0.4%

Georgia
0.0%–0.4%

Belarus
0.0%–0.4%

Lebanon
0.0%–0.3%

Croatia
0.0%–0.3%

Brazil
0.0%–0.3%

Belgium
0.0%–0.3%

Albania
0.0%–0.3%

Syria
0.0%–0.2%

Serbia
0.0%–0.2%

Palestinian Territory
0.0%–0.2%

Bosnia and Herzegovina
0.0%–0.2%

Slovenia
0.0%–0.1%

Saint Kitts and Nevis
0.0%–0.1%

Philippines
0.0%–0.1%

New Zealand
0.0%–0.1%

Morocco
0.0%–0.1%

Montenegro
0.0%–0.1%

Moldova
0.0%–0.1%

Macedonia
0.0%–0.1%

Latvia
0.0%–0.1%

Hong Kong
0.0%–0.1%

Estonia
0.0%–0.1%

Egypt
0.0%–0.1%

Colombia
0.0%–0.1%

China
0.0%–0.1%

Canada
0.0%–0.1%

Barbados
0.0%–0.1%

Australia
0.0%–0.1%

Armenia
0.0%–0.1%

Argentina
0.0%–0.1%

American Samoa
0.0%–0.1%


Indicate segments declared to be of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
8.1%–8.4%

Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.0%–0.8%

Include matches primarily from US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa

United States 3.3%

Canada 0.3%

Australia 0.1%

New Zealand 0.0%

1+ gp, 5cM


United States
3.3%–6.3%

Australia
0.1%–0.5%

New Zealand
0.0%–0.1%

tchekitchek
11-08-2015, 11:44 PM
4gp 5cm

United Kingdom 5.1%
Germany 2.1%
Netherlands 1.9%
Belgium 1.8%
Ireland 1.1%
France 1.1%
Poland 1.0%
Italy 1.0%
Russia 0.9%
Mexico 0.9%
Sweden 0.7%
Spain 0.7%
Norway 0.7%
Ukraine 0.5%
Finland 0.5%
Switzerland 0.4%
Slovakia 0.4%
Hungary 0.4%
Greece 0.4%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.4%
Argentina 0.4%

^^ is that a lot of UK percentage for a non-british?

Kurd
11-09-2015, 06:45 AM
South and West Asians would see a big jump in the S Asian and W Asian percentages if only there were as many S and W Asians tested as Europeans. India is higher than Pakistan, because there are likely more Indians tested than Pakistanis

http://i.imgur.com/MdFFVwq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2fAnxjQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sUr4lhy.jpg

Dorkymon
11-09-2015, 05:12 PM
The latest update for me at 4GP/5cM:

Romania
4.4%
Poland
3.9%
Russia
2.4%
Italy
2.1%
Ukraine
1.7%
Hungary
1.5%
Greece
1.5%
United Kingdom
1.4%
Germany
1.4%
Finland
1.1%
Czech Republic
1.0%
Croatia
1.0%
Sweden
0.9%
Lithuania
0.8%
Bulgaria
0.8%
Slovenia
0.7%
Norway
0.6%
Austria
0.6%
Serbia
0.5%
Ireland
0.5%
France
0.5%
Bosnia and Herzegovina
0.4%
Venezuela
0.3%
Turkey
0.3%
Slovakia
0.3%
Belarus
0.3%
Albania
0.3%
Switzerland
0.2%
Spain
0.2%
Portugal
0.2%
Netherlands
0.2%
Montenegro
0.2%
Macedonia
0.2%
Estonia
0.2%
Argentina
0.2%
Mexico
0.1%
Luxembourg
0.1%
Latvia
0.1%
Jamaica
0.1%
Dominican Republic
0.1%
Chile
0.1%
Brazil
0.1%
Puerto Rico
0.0%
China
0.0%


+ Jewish segments:

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
18.9%–19.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.5%–1.0%

ffoucart
11-11-2015, 10:53 AM
4GP/5cM

me:
United Kingdom
3.5%
Netherlands
1.5%
Italy
1.1%
Germany
0.9%
France
0.9%
Ireland
0.8%
Sweden
0.7%
Poland
0.7%
Norway
0.7%
Finland
0.7%
Denmark
0.6%
Russia
0.4%
Spain
0.3%
Slovakia
0.3%
Romania
0.3%
Latvia
0.3%
India
0.3%
Hungary
0.3%
Czech Republic
0.3%
Cuba
0.3%
Bulgaria
0.3%
Brazil
0.3%
Belgium
0.3%
Venezuela
0.2%
Ukraine
0.2%
Serbia
0.2%
Lithuania
0.2%
Estonia
0.2%
Bosnia and Herzegovina
0.2%
Azerbaijan
0.2%
Austria
0.2%
Turkey
0.1%
Syria
0.1%
Switzerland
0.1%
Portugal
0.1%
Moldova
0.1%
Mexico
0.1%
Jamaica
0.1%
Iran
0.1%
Iceland
0.1%
Greece
0.1%
Dominican Republic
0.1%
Croatia
0.1%
Colombia
0.1%
Chile
0.1%
Argentina
0.1%
Peru
0.0%
China
0.0%


Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
7.7%–7.8%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.0%–0.1%

my father:

United Kingdom
4.7%
Belgium
1.6%
Germany
1.5%
France
1.3%
Sweden
1.1%
Norway
1.1%
Netherlands
1.0%
Italy
1.0%
Ireland
0.8%
Finland
0.8%
Russia
0.7%
Poland
0.6%
Spain
0.5%
Portugal
0.5%
Colombia
0.5%
Brazil
0.5%
Switzerland
0.4%
Romania
0.4%
Lithuania
0.3%
Iran
0.3%
Estonia
0.3%
Dominican Republic
0.3%
Croatia
0.3%
Peru
0.2%
Morocco
0.2%
Mexico
0.2%
Hungary
0.2%
Denmark
0.2%
Cuba
0.2%
Austria
0.2%
Venezuela
0.1%
Ukraine
0.1%
Slovenia
0.1%
Slovakia
0.1%
Puerto Rico
0.1%
Philippines
0.1%
Pakistan
0.1%
Latvia
0.1%
Jamaica
0.1%
Iraq
0.1%
Greece
0.1%
Costa Rica
0.1%
Bolivia
0.1%
Belarus
0.1%
Palestinian Territory
0.0%
Nicaragua
0.0%
Egypt
0.0%
China
0.0%

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
12.0%–12.0%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.3%–0.5%

At 8cM+
me:
United Kingdom
0.5%
Norway
0.2%
Netherlands
0.1%
Germany
0.1%
France
0.1%
Cuba
0.1%
Bulgaria
0.1%

my father:
France
0.6%
Belgium
0.5%
United Kingdom
0.3%
Dominican Republic
0.3%
Portugal
0.2%
Netherlands
0.2%
Sweden
0.1%
Croatia
0.1%
Ukraine
0.0%
Norway
0.0%

Funny, isn't it? We are French (but with ancestry in Belgium)

Táltos
11-11-2015, 04:07 PM
Farewell COA, my last update. 4gp/5cm- Sigh...
Poland 5.4%
United Kingdom 4.4%
Russia 4.2%
Germany 2.7%
Italy 2.4%
Greece 2.3%
Romania 1.6%
Ukraine 1.5%
Ireland 1.2%
Slovakia 1.1%
Lithuania 1.1%
Hungary 1.0%
Finland 1.0%
Czech Republic 1.0%
Serbia 0.9%
Croatia 0.9%
Sweden 0.8%
Netherlands 0.8%
Latvia 0.7%
Norway 0.6%
Bulgaria 0.6%
Belgium 0.6%
Belarus 0.6%
Spain 0.5%
France 0.5%
Slovenia 0.4%
India 0.4%
Estonia 0.4%
Austria 0.4%
Portugal 0.3%
Iran 0.3%
Cuba 0.3%
Brazil 0.3%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.3%
Albania 0.3%
Venezuela 0.2%
Morocco 0.2%
Montenegro 0.2%
Mexico 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Turkey 0.1%
Syria 0.1%
Switzerland 0.1%
Puerto Rico 0.1%
Palestinian Territory 0.1%
Moldova 0.1%
Israel 0.1%
El Salvador 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Bolivia 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Tunisia 0.0%


1GP/5cm
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 24.9%–25.7%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 1.3%–3.4%

AJL
11-11-2015, 05:38 PM
I've taken one last look at all my tested family.

My father's side has changed very little other than my grandfather and several of his relatives have started picking up fairly strong and unexpected links to Malta, as well as Iraq.

From my maternal side: Most of my Irish matches are now coalescing around County Donegal and appear to relate to one family line. The most interesting thing since I last looked is a consistent increase in both my mother's and my maternal aunt's matching to Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden (with my aunt also matching Norway and Finland more than before, and my mother's Danish matches also having increased).

Whatever they replace CoA with, I will likely miss this tool.

MatAust21
11-12-2015, 04:11 PM
So, anything new for you guys?

Nothing changed for me, and Countries of Ancestry is still there.

vettor
11-13-2015, 05:20 AM
I just lost about a dozen people who I had links with and had a name..............now appear with no-name and now not contactable ( blamk )

what do i do with the messages I have from these people?

paulo412
01-05-2016, 06:10 PM
Hi everyone,
I can find this, disapear on new 23andme interface?

Thank you

J Man
01-05-2016, 06:12 PM
Hi everyone,
I can find this, disapear on new 23andme interface?

Thank you

Right it is no longer there. 23andme got rid of it unfortunately.

Anath
03-29-2016, 08:59 AM
Before this feature was switched off, my highest were Great Britain, Norway, Poland, Ireland and Iran :)

Dibran
02-14-2017, 10:49 AM
Before mine was switched off, my highest were Greece, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, and Montenegro.

Mixed
05-02-2017, 11:40 PM
Mine was Russia, Germany, Poland, Italy, and the U.K.

Aldric
05-03-2017, 12:37 AM
United States of America (278)
Canada (141)
Ireland (16)
United Kingdom (10)
Italy (9)
France (7)
Germany (3)
Lithuania (3)
Poland (3)
Sweden (3)
China (2)
Czech Republic (2)
Hungary (2)
Mexico (2)
Philippines (2)
Algeria (1)
Armenia (1)
Croatia (1)
Denmark (1)
Estonia (1)

Exosuits
05-03-2017, 12:55 PM
United States of America (365)
New Zealand (20)
Australia (20)
United Kingdom (5)