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XooR
10-14-2016, 01:40 AM
Currently, they report eye color and educational attainment. Apparently new traits will be added every few days.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee370/xoorslug/Screenshot%202016-10-13%2020.45.53_zpsjuggcywu.png (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/xoorslug/media/Screenshot%202016-10-13%2020.45.53_zpsjuggcywu.png.html)

AnnieD
10-14-2016, 04:27 AM
Spot-on with my eye color prediction. But apparently my educational attainment exceeds my genetic attributes (which should come as no surprise to any one who has seen my posts. ;) )

vettor
10-14-2016, 05:13 AM
They have my wife spot-on as Blue

As for me , I have green eyes, there results below say brown eyes for me , yet I am next to the blue left side instead of the brown right side

meaning ??? ......where is Green

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/landeyes_zpsi6t18kls.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/landeyes_zpsi6t18kls.jpg.html)

Asimakidis
10-14-2016, 07:55 AM
Brown..14,7 y school was predicted..real number 17..close enough :)

firemonkey
10-14-2016, 09:43 AM
Brown eyes-eyes are hazel

Years at school 14.7, went to college- The years are almost right but I never went to university. I went into hospital with a nervous breakdown during what should have been my A level term. Have never been back to an educational establishment due to a combination of painful memories of being bullied and ostracised and severe social anxiety.

shazou
10-14-2016, 02:31 PM
http://i.imgur.com/hdIhVKv.jpg

Theconqueror
10-17-2016, 01:30 AM
Off by 6 years in educational attainment. Maybe I should help them with their algorithm.

Kiln
10-17-2016, 02:24 AM
Interesting.

Eye color is spot on.

http://i.imgur.com/uGGuYZA.jpg

Funny.

I forewent college as its a bad deal these days.

kevinduffy
10-17-2016, 03:05 AM
DNALand understated my years of education by a couple but it was right in its claim that I attended college. It was completely wrong about my eye color. According to them I have brown eyes when in fact I have blue.

kikkk
10-17-2016, 04:49 AM
For me, it was wrong on both eye color and schooling years (though it was right that I attended college).
They predicted 14.3 years and that equates attending 2-years branches such as secreterial studies.
Also in Tunisia primary+secondary school is 13 years and if you want to enter an engineering college you have to first attend (and be successful) 2-years preparatory school which means that you can very well spend 15 years attending school without affording to advance into college (or university as we name it in our country, college being the name of the middle school from the7 th to the 9 th year)
That said, I should add that Tunisia is placed in the very bottom of world ranking of both basic school skills and college reputation.

firemonkey
10-17-2016, 06:15 AM
The thing is relating intellectual ability to years in education is problematic anyway. If you have a very bright kid they may end up in college in the number of years it takes an average student to get to mid high school level.
It in no way accounts for people who are fast tracked through the educational system.

Kiln
10-17-2016, 06:38 AM
The thing is relating intellectual ability to years in education is problematic anyway. If you have a very bright kid they may end up in college in the number of years it takes an average student to get to mid high school level.
It in no way accounts for people who are fast tracked through the educational system.


...or people who took different paths opposed to formal education.

Tomenable
10-17-2016, 08:57 PM
For me it says: "Trait Prediction Report In Progress (where are my results?)"

It's probably because I tested with FTDNA. I think it works only with 23andMe:

http://dna.frieger.com/conditions.php

However, as you know I have previously uploaded a lot of ancient genomes:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5652-Ancients-with-DNA-land&p=178258&viewfull=1#post178258

Most of them now have trait reports. Here is Upper Paleolithic Villabruna WHG:

https://s11.postimg.org/fachu5hdv/Villabruna_WHG.png

https://s11.postimg.org/fachu5hdv/Villabruna_WHG.png

XooR
10-18-2016, 01:46 AM
Two more Trait Prediction Report added: Coffee Consumption and Height!

Kiln
10-18-2016, 04:22 AM
Height prediction is 6" off for me.

The coffee one is beyond pointless.

Thanathos
10-18-2016, 06:03 AM
http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/0fb309b6-d4eb-428e-af00-f88b4dc88e23.jpg (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/0fb309b6-d4eb-428e-af00-f88b4dc88e23.jpg)

http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/dc7d8fe6-ec22-428c-a73d-337425dbf272.jpg (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/dc7d8fe6-ec22-428c-a73d-337425dbf272.jpg)

My eyes are blue by the way.... ( with a tiny bit of orange/yellow in the center though ) and all my immediate family ( including all my grand parents ) have/had blue and grey eyes. So it doesn't seem very accurate for some cases !

Afshar
10-18-2016, 06:04 AM
Height prediction says 167 while I am 186, and the coffee consumption is way too low :).

JuliePI
10-18-2016, 07:55 AM
My results have been shown as 'in progresss' since Friday. Anyone else with the same issue? Wondering when they will show.

kikkk
10-18-2016, 08:50 AM
Finally a valid result for me:

Your inferred trait is:

3.4 cups per day
(High Consumption)

Indeed I normally drink 3 to 4 cups of coffee per day.

On the other hand they predicted me as a 165 cm brown eyed that has attended school for 14,3 years when in reality I am 182 cm blue-green eyed and I spent 19 years attending schools.

shazou
10-18-2016, 08:57 AM
Actual: 175.26 cm (5'9)

http://i.imgur.com/ipBTrOx.jpg

Tomenable
10-18-2016, 04:44 PM
Altai Neanderthal drinks 2.7 cups of coffee per day and spent 13.7 years attending schools.

star rider
10-18-2016, 04:59 PM
I got a good chuckle out of it.

Eyes were right (Brown)

Coffee they predicted 2.7 cups i actually only drink 2 so close but no cigar

Education 13.8 I actually completed 16 yrs but it did get 'you have attended college' correct

height prediction 171 cm actual 162.56 cm again close but no cigar

so I get to keep 3 out of 4 cigars....!!!!

Stephen1986
10-18-2016, 06:37 PM
Height

Myself - 177cm Likely taller than average (I'm 176cm, I would say I'm average amongst males in my area).
My brother - 172cm Likely shorter than average (He's the same height as I am, but maybe the age difference of four years is fairly significant).

Eyes

Myself - Likely to have blue eyes (I have dark blue eyes with green in the middle).

My brother - Likely to have blue eyes (his eyes are blue, but lighter and with less green).

Education

Myself - 13.4 years and have attended college (if I go from high school to university, that's nine years, adding primary school would make it sixteen years, so I would say this is accurate).

My brother - 13.6 years and have attended college (my brother went to college).

Coffee

Myself - 2.5 cups of coffee a day (I'm a slow metaboliser but don't drink coffee every day. I drink black and green teas pretty much every day though).

My brother - 2.8 cups of coffee a day (He is a fast metaboliser but doesn't like hot drinks so doesn't drink any coffee or tea).

firemonkey
10-18-2016, 09:25 PM
Height 172. I'm 5-11.5 (181.6)

Coffee 2.7 cups . I have about 4 a day.

L1983
10-19-2016, 03:35 PM
Eye colour was correct. Gedmatch thinks my eyes are greeny blue, but they're plain old blue.

Education: 14 years (I have a degree though).

Coffee: 2.7 (actual around 4 cups a day. 23andme says I'm a fast metaboliser of caffeine. It has no affect on me).

Height: 5ft 5 (actual 5ft 8. Although I'm the only tallish one in the family).

Amerijoe
10-22-2016, 11:10 PM
Coffee. 2.7 cups. Actual 0. Average 3 cups tea.

Ed. 13.8 years. Does this mean I did 13.8 yrs. in 16 or did I goof off for 2.2 yrs?

Eyes. Blue. Actual Blue. 12314

Height. 170 cm(5' 7"). Actual. 185 cm(6'1"). Did a lot of stretching over the years.

Nearsightedness. -1 dips. -0.75 Left. -1.25 Right

I come out above average on height genes as tested by several other trait programs. I see others have 6" height variance as well. No long legged genes tested so far.

firemonkey
10-23-2016, 01:15 AM
Your inferred trait is:
-0.7 diopters
Average eyesight

I am nearsighted. I have worn glasses since I was 14.

evon
10-23-2016, 09:36 AM
Mine...

- 2.6 cups per day : I usually drink 1 cup a day, two if the coffee is mild.
- 14.7 years, You have attended college : I have a Masters degree..
- Likely to have Blue Eyes : Yes I do..
- 172 cm, Likely shorter than average : Wrong, I am 183cm and bang on average.
- -2.3 diopters, Slightly Nearsighted : Wrong, I am slightly farsighted (use glasses only for reading and such)..

Tolan
10-23-2016, 10:06 AM
The red cross is my real position...

Tolan
10-23-2016, 10:15 AM
For Height Trait Prediction, the difference between male and female is more instructive than average..
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Abd.H
10-23-2016, 11:17 AM
Coffee : 3.0 cups per day (Higher Than Average Consumption) , Actually I drink 3 cups in average
Educational Attainment : 14.3 years , Actually I have already finished 15 years ,and when I will graduate it will be 19 years
Eyes : Likely to have Brown Eyes , I have brown eyes
Height : 167 cm Likely to be average , Actually I am 180 cm
Nearsightedness : -1.2 diopters Slightly Nearsighted , Actually I have normal eyesight

Ignis90
10-23-2016, 12:07 PM
Coffee : 3.0 cups per day (Higher Than Average Consumption) , Actually I drink 3 cups in average
Educational Attainment : 14.3 years , Actually I have already finished 15 years ,and when I will graduate it will be 19 years
Eyes : Likely to have Brown Eyes , I have brown eyes
Height : 167 cm Likely to be average , Actually I am 180 cm
Nearsightedness : -1.2 diopters Slightly Nearsighted , Actually I have normal eyesight

What is your "ancestry group", if I may ask? It's written in the table, under "Frequency".

Abd.H
10-23-2016, 12:19 PM
What is your "ancestry group", if I may ask? It's written in the table, under "Frequency".
It is European
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But I don't know why it's European :confused:

Ignis90
10-23-2016, 01:12 PM
It is European
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But I don't know why it's European :confused:

That's what I thought.
You were assigned to one of the 5 "ancestral groups" created by DNA Land. This is what I wrote elsewhere about it:

People should take into account that it might not be accurate if you don't belong to one of the 5 "super populations" (http://www.internationalgenome.org/category/population) you were assigned to (based on the not very accurate Ancestry Composition?):


AFR, African
AMR, Ad Mixed American
EAS, East Asian
EUR, European
SAS, South Asian
In the trait report, what does my ancestry group under Frequency mean? (top)
Our predictions take into account varying allele frequencies between populations in order to cancel out biases introduced by population stratification. The allele frequencies are taken from the 1000 Genomes Project and are grouped into five broad ancestry categories. The allele frequencies from one of these groups are applied to your predictions based on your inferred ancestry.


There is no Near Eastern "super population", so the European allele frequencies are applied to you (maybe because you score mostly West Eurasian in the Ancestry composition). European is definitely not ideal but it's OK. By comparison, I was assigned to the African ancestry group... :lol: Applying allele frequencies of West Africans to my trait predictions is hilarious.
Could be because they put the North African component in the African category for some reason.

Abd.H
10-23-2016, 02:35 PM
That's what I thought.
You were assigned to one of the 5 "ancestral groups" created by DNA Land. This is what I wrote elsewhere about it:
There is no Near Eastern "super population", so the European allele frequencies are applied to you (maybe because you score mostly West Eurasian in the Ancestry composition). European is definitely not ideal but it's OK.
Yes , I am 100% West Eurasian with 55% Central Indo European

Ignis90
10-23-2016, 05:56 PM
Yes , I am 100% West Eurasian with 55% Central Indo European

Here you go.

It's more tricky with South-Central Asians since they are often 100% West Eurasian with DNA Land. I wonder which of them will be assigned to the European ancestral group versus the South Asian one.

warwick
10-23-2016, 06:15 PM
The educational attainment results and research in the literature are so incomplete that they are misleading and useless. That report is not worth taking seriously.

Táltos
10-23-2016, 06:48 PM
The educational attainment results and research in the literature are so incomplete that they are misleading and useless. That report is not worth taking seriously.

I still don't understand how they are coming up with "number" of years one went to school. They predicted correctly that I went to college. Results for different people attending college show this as 14 yrs others 16 yrs. That seems odd to me.

warwick
10-23-2016, 07:01 PM
I still don't understand how they are coming up with "number" of years one went to school. They predicted correctly that I went to college. Results for different people attending college show this as 14 yrs others 16 yrs. That seems odd to me.

If you read the paper, the results only explain <1% of the variance. Essentially they are useless.

halildemirezen
10-24-2016, 01:47 PM
rs12913832 is used as a component for specifying eye color. It says my rs12913832 is "A/A" however, I could not find this allel in my raw data which I downloaded from FTDNA.

How does DNA.LAND extract this data?

halildemirezen
10-24-2016, 01:51 PM
rs12913832 is used as a component for specifying eye color. It says my rs12913832 is "A/A" however, I could not find this allel in my raw data which I downloaded from FTDNA.

How does DNA.LAND extract this data?

halildemirezen
10-24-2016, 01:58 PM
Predicted Eye Color for Kit T441948 (F2)

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Read rules from top to bottom. In some cases, a rule cancels out results from rules above it.

GG at: rs7174027 - Blocks some melanin. Often gives light colored eyes.
CC at: rs4778241 - Low Melanin. Basis for Gray, Blue, Green, or Yellow Eyes if no other pigmentation is present.
CT at: rs3947367 - Contrasting sphincter around pupil.
CC at: rs1129038 - High Melanin production. Brown.
AA at: rs8033448 - Med Brown on Sphincter
AA at: rs1105879 - Weak Amber Gradient
AG at: rs10467971 - Penetrance Modifier - Blue
GT at: rs7713279 - Inhibit weak amber gradient
GT at: rs1470608 - Medium melanin on Anterior Epithelium. Gives dark eyes.
CC at: rs4779685 - Flecks (Nevi).


My actual color is brown. DNA.LAND predicts it correct. However, When rs12913832 is A/A, it means my child will have A all the time meaning that s/he will always have brown colors. Since this mutation is brown %80 of the time. However, I cannot
be sure when this data is not there in my raw data... GEDMATCH predicts my color as blue incorrectly... which is right? Correct phenotype, or false genotype?

kingjohn
10-24-2016, 03:38 PM
halil you and a bulgarian i match in ftdna belong to the same mtdna h7c1
this could be thracian mtdna
her maternal ancestery from this region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Municipality
regards
adam
p.s
i just had to tell you this . :)

Varun R
10-24-2016, 04:15 PM
Fun!

Coffee : 2.7 cups predicted vs ~1 per day actual
Eye Color: Brown predicted and true
Height: 163 cm vs 181 cm actual
Eyesight: -0.5 diopters (normal eyesight) predicted vs -3.25/ -3.75 actual (moderately nearsighted)

Well, I did spend a lot of time indoors as a child, so perhaps that explains my bad eyesight =/

ashwinb
10-25-2016, 01:59 PM
Coffee : 2.8 cups predicted vs 0 per day actual
Eye Color: Brown predicted and true
Height: 166 cm vs 187 cm actual
Eyesight: 0.2 diopters (normal eyesight) predicted vs -1.75 actual (moderately nearsighted)

ashwinb
10-25-2016, 02:00 PM
Coffee : 2.8 cups predicted vs 0 per day actual
Eye Color: Brown predicted and true
Height: 166 cm vs 187 cm actual
Eyesight: 0.2 diopters (normal eyesight) predicted vs -1.75 actual (moderately nearsighted)

halildemirezen
10-26-2016, 07:59 AM
Strage combination H7c1 may be anywhere in europe and west asia.


halil you and a bulgarian i match in ftdna belong to the same mtdna h7c1
this could be thracian mtdna
her maternal ancestery from this region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Municipality
regards
adam
p.s
i just had to tell you this . :)

kingjohn
10-26-2016, 10:55 AM
there are also few druze members intresting:)
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/h7c_genbank_sequences.htm
regards
adam

p.s but yes agree with you there are cases in germany, england, italy and spain

Theramster
10-30-2016, 04:44 AM
I find the traits' reports extremely off. I suspect it has to do with how they assign unrepresentative populations to our genomes.
My 23andme & gedmatch predictions were accurate. DNA.LAND have faulty assumptions. I won't be contributing to their reports unless they fix this fundamental error in their model.
Recently released traits are trivial but revealing. Soon there will be more important predictions and if their model is faulty, there is no way I could trust anything they predict when it matters.

It's not as they told me due to environment or yet to be discovered genetic factors since other services managed to accurately predict them using same genetic studies.

Erik
10-30-2016, 03:43 PM
Educational attainment guessed both me and my grandfather would finish high school and do 2 years of university. I haven't started university studies yet so I can't really criticize my results, however my grandfather has a PhD in neuropsychology. So it's safe to say this can be a bit off. :P I too plan on getting a PhD some day, so this is quite reassuring.

AnnieD
10-30-2016, 05:16 PM
rs12913832 is used as a component for specifying eye color. It says my rs12913832 is "A/A" however, I could not find this allel in my raw data which I downloaded from FTDNA.

How does DNA.LAND extract this data?

FTDNA tests fewer SNPs than 23andme, some of which appear to correlate with pigmentation alleles. This is apparently due to FTDNA's focus solely on ancestry whereas 23andMe also delves into health traits.

You can literally "see" this with the eye color predictor tool on Gedmatch. My lightish eye color, predicted to be "blue" by DNA.Land, with my FTDNA kit is a wholly blue color. With my 23andMe kit, a faint amber ring appears around the iris which also matches my actual color, e.g. 1 GP had brown eyes. B)

I checked my raw data, and 23andMe shows this RS with GG alleles whereas it is absent from my FTDNA data.

Theramster
10-30-2016, 06:32 PM
In light of my previous critique, instead of fixing the issues with their model they simply cancelled my account. Pending confirmation that a scientist would actually do that, rather than fix the assumption that leads to wrong predictions. If there is another innocent reason why my account no longer exists, I will be more than happy to communicate any further updates here.

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AnnieD
10-30-2016, 06:34 PM
My traits results - pretty spot-on thus far: :cheer2:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12390&stc=1

While I also got a lower educational attainment prediction than actual, I thought that my results might not be that far from the mark. LOL! I completed college and a 1-year Master's Degree program. However, none of my educational institutions or studies were highly competitive by U.S. standards, e.g. no Ivy League or Dr. or lawyer studies. When I encounter quantitative data in my vocation that is beyond the usual rules & regulations, I sometimes feel the limitations of my abstract thinking. Hence, I would never excel as a scientist or geneticist and am probably doomed to wander these boards forever trying to understand where my ancestors came from, where is my red-hair since Scotland's DNA predicted that I should be a strawberry blonde ... :P

Amerijoe
10-30-2016, 07:55 PM
I think of these predictive trait programs as brain doodling. Worth a few chuckles and some bantering about the results. Some companies give me straight blue ��, another gives me blue with an amber ring around iris. Close but not exact, actually blue with a light golden hue around iris in addition to a starburst pattern. I imagine someday you'll click the eye color predictor and an exact facsimile of your eye will appear.

I read somewhere, there are approx. 700 genes in involved in height. Just picture the number of genes involved in determining education and intelligence levels.

Also, abstract thinking has it's virtues, but applied reasoning pays the bills. Those who keep both in balance rise to the top.

Amerijoe
10-30-2016, 07:56 PM
Double post erased.🐒

wombatofthenorth
10-30-2016, 09:16 PM
seems all a bit dubious, also they don't even let you see anything unless you fill out detailed surveys

Theramster
10-30-2016, 09:36 PM
My traits results - pretty spot-on thus far: :cheer2:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12390&stc=1

While I also got a lower educational attainment prediction than actual, I thought that my results might not be that far from the mark. LOL! I completed college and a 1-year Master's Degree program. However, none of my educational institutions or studies were highly competitive by U.S. standards, e.g. no Ivy League or Dr. or lawyer studies. When I encounter quantitative data in my vocation that is beyond the usual rules & regulations, I sometimes feel the limitations of my abstract thinking. Hence, I would never excel as a scientist or geneticist and am probably doomed to wander these boards forever trying to understand where my ancestors came from, where is my red-hair since Scotland's DNA predicted that I should be a strawberry blonde ... :P

I think it makes more sense when they use European reference population. Their predictions become more accurate.

AnnieD
10-30-2016, 09:45 PM
seems all a bit dubious, also they don't even let you see anything unless you fill out detailed surveys

I thought that the surveys were fairly quick to fill out, though. My inclination is that free tests sponsored by research-based entities such as DNA.Land and Genes for Good will regard any tester data without bias or (profit) incentive. I see DNA.Land as just gathering our statistics for serious number-crunching against their original data samples to ultimately improve their predictions.

galon07
11-01-2016, 05:21 PM
Only the "coffee" trait was accurate to me. All the others got it wrong. For example, I'm heavily nearsighted and the trait prediction was "slightly farsighted". :\

Theramster
11-04-2016, 03:27 AM
In light of my previous critique, instead of fixing the issues with their model they simply cancelled my account. Pending confirmation that a scientist would actually do that, rather than fix the assumption that leads to wrong predictions. If there is another innocent reason why my account no longer exists, I will be more than happy to communicate any further updates here.

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To be fair to dna.land the account has been restored. I haven't received any answer to my questions about their methodology.