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10-15-2016, 09:27 AM
Q-M242 News (13 Oct. 2016)


As of this evening, the project has:
Y-DNA12 1207
Y-DNA25 940
Y-DNA37 900
Y-DNA67 555
Y-DNA111 166
Big Y 147


http://haplogroup.org/q-m242-news-13-oct-2016/

Afshar
10-15-2016, 10:46 AM
Is the q1a1b1 sample from sgdp also full y tested?

Táltos
10-15-2016, 01:52 PM
Lots of news for the Haplogroup Q Project! Most interesting from the Haplogroup.org blog is about the Simons Genome Diversity Project (SGDP). Also thanks to Vladimir Gurianov for having them placed into Y Full.


Iranian-The YFull sample ID is ERR1025632. Its initial placement is Q-BZ310.

Chané
The Chané people are a Native South American group.
The Chané sample from the SGDP has the ID ERR1395547 at YFull. It has been initially placed on the Q-M848 branch.

Karitiana
There are two samples. ERR1395599 has been initially placed as Q-M848. ERR1025635 has been initially places as Q-M848. There is already one Karitiana sample at YFull, ID HGDP00998.


Mixtec
The Mixtec people are from the La Mixteca region in Mexico.
The Mixtec sample’s ID at YFull is ERR1347738. It has initially been assigned to Q-M848.

Pima
The Pima or Akimel O’odham people are a Native North American people who live in what is now southern Arizona.
The sample has YFull ID ERR1025603. Its initial placement on the tree is Q-Z770.

Quechua
The Quechua people are a Native South American group.
The sample at YFull has ID ERR1395589. Its initial tree placement is Q-Z5910*.

Zapotec
The Zapotecs peoples are a Native Americas group. Most live in the southern state of Oaxaca in Mexico.
There are two samples from the Zapotecs being processed. Their IDs at YFull are ERR1347686 and ERR1395622. The initial placement of both is Q-CTS2731.


https://www.yfull.com/sgdp-samples/

Táltos
12-22-2016, 09:08 PM
http://haplogroup.org/q-m242-project-news/?utm_source=wysija&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Q-M242

Q-M242 Project News (22 Dec 2016)

The big news for the project today is that we have successfully funded three BIG Ys for the project. These include a Mahican Q-M3, a New Mexico Jewish Heritage Q-L275, and an Italian Q-L245. We are now working to fund testing of an Asian Q-M120 project member.
I can't wait for these results!

Táltos
12-22-2016, 09:11 PM
And near and dear to my heart. :)

The Q-Y2200 Tree & the Q-L245 SNP Pack

They talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees. For Q-Y2200, this is not our problem. We have found many of the Jewish Q trees in the forest, and we know that Q-Y2200 is one tree. The problem is that we cannot puzzle out the trees and their branches by looking at the leaves.
http://haplogroup.org/q-y2200-tree-q-l245-snp-pack/

Táltos
03-20-2017, 01:47 AM
Q-BZ2034 Branches – Mahican & Cherokee!
http://haplogroup.org/q-bz2034-branches-mahican-cherokee/


Over the next few weeks, I will talk about the discoveries the project has made from the over twenty BIG Ys ordered during the 2016 Holiday sale. One of the tests sponsored by the project was a Mahican lineage, Van Gilder. The results from this test have uncovered a connection between two other BIG Y tested families.
Together, the Van Gilder, Helton, and Woodall families belong to a new Native Americas branch, Q-BZ2034. The Heltons and Woodalls both have traditions of being Cherokee. The Van Gilders are by tradition Mahican.

Q-M3 is the most common paternal lineage among native men in both North and South America. Through project research, we have discovered that there are two main surviving branches of Q-M3, Q-M848 and Q-Y4308. So far, it is Q-Y4308 that connects to the Eastern Algonquian peoples.

However, the new Q-BZ2034 branch is not under Q-Y4308 but instead is under Q-M848.

Thus, the connection between the three families is interesting, because the Mahicans are Eastern Algonquian, but the Cherokee are Iroquoian.

The table below shows the relationship between the three families. Note that the connections may be over a thousand years old. The project does not have date ranges yet. Date ranges are one of the reasons for YFull secondary analysis which is pending.

14616

There are several known events that could explain the movement between groups.

First, the Mahicans were pushed into Iroquoian lands by European settlement. Second, the Cherokee absorbed many fragmented groups. Then deeper in time, in the matrilineal cultures of the region, male children may have passed back and forth between peoples with their cultural identity set by the mother's heritage.

Overall, I think we are moving closer to knowing regions of origin and not a single Q-M3 Native origin for the Native Peoples of North and South America.

Táltos
05-10-2017, 03:51 AM
http://haplogroup.org/new-y-dna-haplogroup-q-backbone-snp-pack/

DNA testing in a citizen science project like the Q-M242 Haplogroup project must be both progressive and pragmatic. Testing is progressive when it uses new technologies like BIG Y and advanced SNP packs to discover and explore new branches. It is pragmatic when it recognizes that all cannot afford the price of such tests and finds other options.

The Q-M242 project now has over 200 complete and pending BIG Ys. We have over a 100 results from the Q-L245 SNP Pack. When we began to plan additional SNP Packs though, we realized there was a problem. In a project of over 1,300 tested Y-DNA Qs, almost half were only tested or predicted to be the earliest branch Q-M242. They were not ready to order an advanced SNP Pack. Further, we realized that the expected cost of $119 for a SNP Pack would be too much for many.

Thus, we put together the Q-M242 Backbone SNP Pack and negotiated its price with Family Tree DNA. The price will be $39 US.

The following branch points are tested:
Q-M242
Q-F1096
Q-M120
Q-M25
Q-Y2659
Q-L527
Q-L275
Q-L53
Q-L54
Q-Z780
Q-M3
Q-M848
Q-Y4276
Q-Y2200
Q-MEH2

I would like to extend my deep appreciation for putting this together to Alessandro Biondo, Vladimir Gurianov, Amy O'Leary, and our friends in the other Q related DNA projects, as well as Michael Sager and Bennett Greenspan at Family Tree DNA.

Who Needs It?

The project will be sending messages to those who need it soon. The project has a sponsor who is helping us offer an additional discount on the first 250 orders, so it is important to wait for us to contact you before ordering.

Who Doesn't Need It?

Men who have:

BIG Y results
Q-L245 SNP Pack Results
Some with Geno 2.0 transfer results
You know you are Q-L804 or Q-L527
Those who are not haplogroup Q
When can you order it?

Family Tree DNA says soon.

As always, thank you for being part of the project.

Regards,
Rebekah A. Canada & the Q-M242 Team

Táltos
06-21-2017, 05:26 AM
http://haplogroup.org/q-backbone-test-update-1/
Some highlights; check out the link for more details!


Q-Backbone Test – Update 1
Results for the first 90 Q-Backbone SNP Pack tests are back. Of these, 78 are in the Q-M242 project. They are exciting, and we have updated many of the clusters in the project based on them.

Q-Y2200
This branch is what we know as Ashkenazi Jewish Q. Two test takers have results in this group.

Q-L275
This is the major tree branch, Q3 or Q3-L275. Its geography covers most of Eurasia though its focus and greatest diversity appears to be the Middle East.

Q-M120
This is one of the two major branches under Q2. It is primarily East Asian. One person came back as this branch. They mark our first Mongolian Q-M120 in the project.

Q-M902
Many people came back as members of the Q-M902 branch under Q-M3. Q-M902 is proving to be the major Q branch beginning in the United States and flowing down to the tip of South America.

One of the important findings here is that some who were predicted only as Q-M242 came back as members of this lineage. If you suspect that you are from a native lineage but are predicted or even tested simply as Q-M242, please email me to look at your results.

Q-Z780
Q-Z780 is one of the great citizen science discoveries. An uncle branch to Q-M3, it is the second most common paternal lineage in the Americas. It is wonderful to see so many new people confirmed into this branch.

Q-L54
Q-L54 is one of the upper levels of the Q1 lineage. All three people who came back on this branch may actually be members of the Q-L330 lineage under it. Alternatively, they may be part of a split between the two branches.

Note below that two of them were predicted to be Q-M3. Although FTDNA's prediction program is highly reliable, it is not a replacement for actual Y-SNP testing.

Q-L53
Several people came back as Q-L53. They may be members of the emerging Q-YP4004 branch. Extensive testing is needed to explore the geography of this branch.

Q-L527
Q-L527 is one of the two most common Northwestern European branches.

Q-Y4800
Finally, a nice group were confirmed to be Q-Y4800. As they are not Q-F1161, they may be Q-SK1932. Much more testing is needed to explore this lineage.

Grossvater
06-21-2017, 05:37 PM
We participated in this and found out that my wife's cousin, who carries her maternal grandfather's Y-DNA is Q-M902. Can't wait to find out more! What exactly does R. Canada mean when she says "beginning in the United States and flowing down to the tip of South America"? Does she imply that Q-M902 folks are only found in the United States and parts south but not in Canada? What are the implications of this?

Contemplator
06-24-2017, 05:19 PM
What exactly does R. Canada mean when she says "beginning in the United States and flowing down to the tip of South America"? Does she imply that Q-M902 folks are only found in the United States and parts south but not in Canada? What are the implications of this?

I suppose it means they haven't found people in Canada to be Q-M902. Only in the US and various places South. In other words it is a Native American branch of Q. However it doesn't mean it started in the US, it could be that the descendants of Q-M902 just happen to no longer be near Canada and Alaska areas. Either that or that they simply haven't tested from those areas.

Afshar
09-09-2017, 07:30 PM
A new paper
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-017-1363-8

Táltos
05-02-2018, 04:02 AM
Ancient Eurasian Steppe selected Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups, and Gedmatch IDs: Scythians, Xiongnu, Huns, Turks, and Mongols
http://open-genomes.org/analysis/Eurasian_Steppe_Y-DNA_mtDNA_Gedmatch.html

Some ancient Y DNA Q with Y Full placement, and GEDmatch IDs.

Afshar
05-02-2018, 07:07 AM
DA74 seems to be of the Turkmen type Q-BZ1000
DA54 is Q-L715 (neg BZ640, neg YP4385) could also be L713
DA86 and DA105 are Q-L715*, probably related to Karasuk type

Ebizur
05-02-2018, 08:53 AM
DA74 seems to be of the Turkmen type Q-BZ1000
DA54 is Q-L715 (neg BZ640, neg YP4385) could also be L713
DA86 and DA105 are Q-L715*, probably related to Karasuk typeHas any ancient specimen whose Y-DNA has been extracted and sequenced been found to belong to haplogroup Q1b1a3-L330?

Afshar
05-02-2018, 10:04 AM
Has any ancient specimen whose Y-DNA has been extracted and sequenced been found to belong to haplogroup Q1b1a3-L330?

You mean the latest Eurasian paper?
There are 2 who are uploaded on Yfull
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/

Ebizur
05-02-2018, 11:04 AM
You mean the latest Eurasian paper?
There are 2 who are uploaded on Yfull
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/Thank you, Afshar.

It looks like one of those two specimens (ERS2374408) belongs specifically to the Q-L332 subclade that has been found in Uzbekistan and Hungary. Therefore, he must not have shared a common patrilineal ancestor with the members of Q-B287 who predominate among the Kets, Selkups, etc. for the past 8,000 years or so.

Where were the ERS2374408 and ERS2374317 specimens discovered?

According to the table at http://open-genomes.org/analysis/Eurasian_Steppe_Y-DNA_mtDNA_Gedmatch.html, ERS2374408 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup J1b1a1 and ERS2374317 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup C4.

Afshar
05-02-2018, 11:55 AM
Thank you, Afshar.

It looks like one of those two specimens (ERS2374408) belongs specifically to the Q-L332 subclade that has been found in Uzbekistan and Hungary. Therefore, he must not have shared a common patrilineal ancestor with the members of Q-B287 who predominate among the Kets, Selkups, etc. for the past 8,000 years or so.

Where were the ERS2374408 and ERS2374317 specimens discovered?

According to the table at http://open-genomes.org/analysis/Eurasian_Steppe_Y-DNA_mtDNA_Gedmatch.html, ERS2374408 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup J1b1a1 and ERS2374317 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup C4.

There is too much speculation around, but not about these two guys, at least I did not see any.
And I noticed most low quality samples are Q, for these I see again one of them is low quality. Makes me wonder if they have something in common.

Afshar
05-15-2018, 11:41 AM
DA74 seems to be of the Turkmen type Q-BZ1000
DA54 is Q-L715 (neg BZ640, neg YP4385) could also be L713
DA86 and DA105 are Q-L715*, probably related to Karasuk type

EDIT BZ1000 is polish (nobility) subclade not Turkmen

Táltos
07-24-2018, 03:33 PM
Lots of news for Q! SNP Packs are out for the Northwestern European Branches of Q!

And a new paper was released with collaboration from FTDNA's Y-DNA Haplogroup Q-M242 Project! https://haplogroup.org/sources/paternal-origin-of-paleo-indians-in-siberia-insights-from-y-chromosome-sequences/

https://haplogroup.org/q-m242-weekly-update-10-july-2018/

Hi,

This is Rebekah Canada from the Y-DNA Haplogroup Q-M242 Project. This week's newsletter will cover the project's most recent published paper, the Q-L804 and Q-L527 branches, and new SNP Packs being developed by Family Tree DNA for Q-L804 and Q-L527.

New Paper
The project's most recent research collaboration is published. We are most grateful to those who donated their test results, Michael Sager and Brent Manning in the FTDNA lab, our colleges in China, and the reviewers and publishers for the European Journal of Human Genetics.

Paternal origin of Paleo-Indians in Siberia: insights from Y-chromosome sequences

Abstract: The expansion of modern humans to the American continent after the Last Glacial Maximum led the way to the present-day distribution of American aborigines. Recent advances in autosomal DNA research and expanded testing of mtDNA lineages has provided a clearer picture of the number and timing of founding lineages. However, both autosomal DNA and mtDNA research have provided unresolved competing theories between the short-term and the long-term models of the Beringian standstill hypothesis. Further, the source of founding paternal lineages of American aborigines and their relationship with ancient Siberia populations remains ambiguous. In this study, we reanalyzed a 7.0 Mbp region of 132 paternal Y-chromosome sequences, including 39 newly reported ones, of male samples from American aborigines and Eurasian populations. Among Eurasian samples, we identified Y-chromosome branches that are most closely related to known American aborigine founding lineages, that is, Q1-L804 links to Q1-M3, Q1-L330 links to Q1-Z780, Q1-M120 links to Q1-B143, and C2-F1756 links to C2-P39. The revised phylogenetic tree and age estimates indicate a narrow timeframe (~15.3–14.3 kya) for the upper time limit of human entry to the American continent. Our analysis suggests that the in situ differentiation of Q-M242 in Central Eurasia and South Siberia region gave rise to numerous sub-lineages older than 15.3 kya, and the founding of Paleo-Indian paternal lineages is part of the great Q1-L53 diffusion throughout the Eurasia after the Last Glacial Maximum. The results of our study will assist in future studies of the history of modern populations in Eurasia and the Americas.

Journal Website: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-018-0211-6

Q-L527 and Q-L804 Overview
Q-L527 and Q-L804 are two Northwestern European branches of Q. A brother branch to the major Native American founding Q-M3 lineage, Q-L804's presence in Europe is fascinating. On the other hand, the perhaps older Q-L527 ties into the Q-L940 branch that links it broadly to Southwestern Asia and the Middle East. Many people guess that if someone is a European Q then they must be either one or the other of these branches. This is not the case.

It is most rare to find either of these branches outside of Norway, Sweden, and the British Isles. If you are a German Q, you are likely a much different branch. To make things even more complicated, though both have their highest frequencies in the West of Sweden, their oldest and most divers branches may be from England in the British Isles.

It is exploring the distribution of the branches under Q-L527 and Q-L804 that has inspired the creation of mini-SNP Packs for each.

Q-L527 Tree

Q-L527 July 10 2018

Q-L804 Tree

Q-L804 July 10 2018

New SNP Packs
As a reminder, a SNP Pack is a preset group of Y-DNA SNPs that are ordered and tested together. This eliminates guess-work in testing and greatly reduces the price per Y-SNP tested. The Q-L527 and Q-L804 branches have enjoyed extensive Big Y testing, but broader testing of men from diverse geographic origins is needed to help expand what is known of the lineages under these two branches. Thus, in April, I decided that the project was ready to work on two new SNP Packs. I contacted Michael Sager at Family Tree DNA, and we agreed on two small low-cost SNP Packs.

Me: What do you think of doing single well panels (<40 SNPs) for Q-L804 and Q-L527? Those are the branches most common to the Swedes and the English. (April 19)
Michael Sager: This is probably something we could entertain. We can look at a SNP list and go from there. (April 23)
Me: Would you be willing to double-check those two branches (they are small) for completeness on the tree? I think we are completely current, but I would feel better if you looked at it. (April 23)
Michael Sager: I believe both branches are now fully up to date with the in-house data we have.
Me: Thanks. For Q-L804, we would have these, plus maybe 10 more that you think would be useful for redundancy? I grabbed primary SNPs, but feel free to go with any SNP on a branch that would work better on the panel. (April 23)

I would say that Q-L804 is 2 to 3% of Norway and Sweden and is lower frequency in Iceland, Finland, and the British Isles.
Me: Correction. Not found in Finland yet, that is Q-L527. (April 23)
Me: Q-L527 is a little tighter, but I think we can still do it. I grabbed primary SNPs, but feel free to go with any SNP on a branch that would work better on the panel.

I would say that Q-L527 is also 2 to 3% of Norway and Sweden. It is found in Finland and the British Isles. I suspect it would be found more in some part of Western Central Asia if we got customers from the right place. (April 23)
Michael Sager: Ok – I will have something for you relatively soon I start with the current SNP lists and see if any need to go. (April 25)
Michael Sager: Just a note on this, we have ordered this panel. We expect it to arrive this week or late next week. At which point we'll get validations going shortly there after. (June 13)
Michael Sager: For the most part these panels came back with pretty nice data. … (July 6)
Me: Sounds good. (July 6)

The Panels
Here is what the panels will test. They are not perfect, but I think they came out really well. They will be available to order in the next two weeks. I will email those who I believe will most benefit from them.

Q-L527

SNP Marker Branch Working
L527 Q-L527 Yes
Y4838 Q-Y4838 Yes
Y15684 Q-Y15684 Yes
Y15682 Q-Y15682 Yes
Y15683 Q-Y15683 Yes
Y17427 Q-Y17427 Yes
BZ50069 Q-BZ50069 Yes
FGC6872 Q-BZ50069 Yes
FGC6986 Q-FGC6986 Yes
YP5085 Q-FGC6986 Yes
BY38337 Q-YP5085 Yes
BY38336 Q-BY38336 Yes
Y105256 Q-BY38336 Yes
Y11649 Q-Y105256 Yes
Y103147 Q-Y11649 Yes
BY50206 Q-BY38339 Yes
BY50207 Q-BY50206 Yes
Y16739 Q-BY50206 Yes
BY15847 Q-Y16739 Yes
YP4798 Q-BY15847 Yes
BY15842 Q-YP4798 Yes
BY15843 Q-BY15842 Yes
YP4568 Q-BY15843 Yes
Y17593 Q-YP4568 Yes
BY40610 Q-Y17593 Yes
BY40729 Q-BY40610 Yes
BZ4900 Q-BY40728 Yes
YP5094 Q-BZ4899 Yes
YP5093 Q-YP5093 Yes
BY38345 Q-YP5093 Yes
Y59819 Q-BY38345 Yes
BZ50006 Q-Y59819 Yes
BZ50018 Q-BZ50006 Maybe
BZ50019 Q-BZ50018 Yes
FGC6995 Q-BZ50018 Yes
Y17427 Q-FGC6995 Maybe
Y29862 Q-Y17427 Yes
Y44561 Q-Y44561 Yes
Y4929 Q-Y4929 Yes
YP4801 Q-YP4801 Yes
Q-L804

SNP Marker Branch Working
BY15789 Q-BY15789 No
BY15796 Q-BY15796 Yes
BY38347 Q-BY38347 Yes
BY387 Q-BY387 Yes
BY459 Q-BY459 Yes
BY15790 Q-BY460 Yes
BY460 Q-BY460 Yes
BZ4901 Q-BZ4901 Yes
BZ4910 Q-BZ4901 Yes
BZ50007 Q-BZ50007 Yes
BZ50009 Q-BZ50007 Yes
JN14 Q-JN14 Yes
L804 Q-L804 Yes
L807 Q-L807 Yes
PH2989 Q-L807 Yes
M7839 Q-M7839 Yes
PH223 Q-PH2487 Yes
PH2487 Q-PH2487 Yes
Y11515 Q-Y11515 Yes
Y15622 Q-Y15622 Yes
Y15700 Q-Y15700 Yes
A13513 Q-Y16137 Yes
Y16137 Q-Y16137 Yes
Y18021 Q-Y18021 Yes
Y18220 Q-Y18220 Yes
Y18503 Q-Y18503 Yes
Y22488 Q-Y22488 Yes
Y22489 Q-Y22489 No
Y29863 Q-Y29863 Yes
Y38488 Q-Y38488 Yes
Y39585 Q-Y38488 Yes
Y38666 Q-Y38666 Yes
Y44444 Q-Y38666 Yes
Y39131 Q-Y39131 Maybe
Y39131 Q-Y39131 Yes
Y9048 Q-Y9050 No
Y9291 Q-Y9291 Yes
Y9294 Q-Y9291 Yes
YP4709 Q-YP4709 Yes
YP5097 Q-YP5097 Yes