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Maximilian
10-17-2016, 11:34 AM
*I know that Hungary is not a balkan country but this is the nearest forum for the topic*

Dear Community!

I wonder if there is any genetical proof where the people of Hungary come from. While some myths say that they derived from the turkic people of the Huns, modern historians try to proof that their ancestors were the ugric Magyars (the hungarian name for Hungary is Magyarország, what means Land of the Magyars). The fact that the hungarian language is related to the finnish language corroborates with the theory that both peoples come from the finno-ugric language family and their genetical ancestors.

Does anybody know if there were found euqalities in hungarian and finnish DNA, and what is the YDNA Haplogroup of the hungarian people?

Thank you :)

gravetti
10-17-2016, 12:10 PM
*I know that Hungary is not a balkan country but this is the nearest forum for the topic*

Dear Community!

I wonder if there is any genetical proof where the people of Hungary come from. While some myths say that they derived from the turkic people of the Huns, modern historians try to proof that their ancestors were the ugric Magyars (the hungarian name for Hungary is Magyarország, what means Land of the Magyars). The fact that the hungarian language is related to the finnish language corroborates with the theory that both peoples come from the finno-ugric language family and their genetical ancestors.

Does anybody know if there were found euqalities in hungarian and finnish DNA, and what is the YDNA Haplogroup of the hungarian people?

Thank you :)

Maternal Genetic Ancestry and Legacy of 10th Century AD Hungarians

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/02/056655.full.pdf

Historical genetics in the research of the Hungarian ethnogenesis

http://www.ri.btk.mta.hu/archaeogenetika/lezart_projekt_en.html

Türk Attila:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc1RAdtUMww

gravetti
10-17-2016, 12:25 PM
Finno-Ugric DNA

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/finno-ugric-dna/about

Finland DNA

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/finland/about/background

Hungarian DNA

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hungarian-magyar-y-dna-project/about/background

JewishGen Hungarian SIG DNA Project

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hungarian_SIG/

HungarianBukovina Project

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hungarian-bukovina-surnames/about/news

Hungarian Jászság DNA Project

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Jaszsag/default.aspx?section=yresults

Khazaria

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/hungarians.html

razyn
10-17-2016, 12:44 PM
I don't want to click on ten links to see if any of them takes one to the 2015 dissertation of Anna Szécsényi-Nagy. But I think it is somewhat relevant to the question of the OP, if not yet cited. I posted a link to it, here: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4806-Suggested-late-Neolithic-origin-of-T2f&p=93283&viewfull=1#post93283

It isn't about YDNA, though.

Afshar
10-17-2016, 01:23 PM
From the Q-L712 project

The next sub-group consists of men from Székely community who belong to the Q-L712 haplogroup and its subclades. The research of Székely genetic genealogy deals with FTDNA Hungarian Bukovina project. Székelys is a Hungarian-speaking ethnic group, living in eastern part of Transylvania and manifests unique cultural characteristics, distinguishing it from other European nations. So far the origin of Székelys has remained unknown. Characteristic for Székely people are inter alia specific type of runes, called Old Hungarian Alphabet (Székely rovásírás) used before the year 1000 AD, unique pillar tombs called Kopjafa and characteristic Székely gates. The origin of the Székely people and their uniqueness remain a mystery even though several hypotheses have been put forward on the subject. The Székelys in their ancient legends claim that they are descendants of the Huns who, after the defeat of the mighty Hunnic king Attila, remained in Europe, changed the name from Huns to Székely and found a secluded place to hide from retribution from the previously conquered nations. Their forefathers descend in a straight line from the mythological prince Csaba, who would have benn the son of Attila the Hun. The old Hunnic motifs and themes are still present in the Székely folklore. This fact is especially intriguing in the context of genetic genealogy because more and more evidence leads to the hypothesis of Hunnic origin, or very close relation to the Hunnic origin of the haplogroup Q-M25 and its subclades. Michael Maglio writes: “If I had to pose a theory, I would say that Attila is Q1a2 [Q-M25], part of the royal class of Huns living in Hungary. (...) The combined evidence of DNA, geography and history leads to the conclusion that at the end of the Hunnic Empire, the core East Asian Huns assimilated into the eastern European cultures. They left behind a strong genetic footprint in the same territory that they historically inhabited” (full article by M. Maglio).

Due to the aforementioned facts the Székely legends about the Hunnic origin, questioned by some researchers, may invite a slightly different reading.

The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of the Székely (Szekler) subcluster lived most likely about 1700 years ago. For various reasons, this time can be combined with the Hunnic invasion of Europe in 370 AD. High level of differentiation within the Székely (Szekler) subcluster, distant time to the most recent common ancestor and a relatively large concentration of haplogroup within one ethnic group may suggest a kind of center of this rare ancient and mysterious haplotype in Europe.