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Kurd
10-20-2016, 02:03 PM
The gist of this thread is to explore why and how Kurds have much higher steppe ancestry than their neighbors.

Dstats, which explore more ancient genetic relationships between populations had revealed that my Kurd samples from Iraqi Kurdistan had much higher steppe ancestry than their neighbors, including Iranians, which Kurds are autosmally the most similar to.

So far I have never explored the genetic source of this excess steppe ancestry (compared to their neighbors) in Kurds, because I have always assumed that this steppe ancestry has filtered down to them from various Caucausus groups such as Georgians. This would be a reasonable assumption, because after all, Georgians et al form a buffer population between Kurdistan and the Pontic Caspian steppe. Well, apparently, I was mistaken, as additonal dstats I ran showed that my Kurd samples had more steppe ancestry than Georgians, Armenians, and Turks.

In fact, considering that my Kurd samples have more 'basal" Eurasian/ SW Asian admixture than Caucausus groups, and dstats are sensitive to basal Eurasian or SW Asian admixture, when it comes to comparison with steppe groups, it would take considerably more steppe admixture than Georgians, Turks or Armenians have to account for all the steppe ancestry in Kurds. Here is why; consider the following dstats:

D ( Georgian, Kurd, Steppe, Outgroup). If Georgians and Kurds had similar steppe input, AND, similar levels of non Crown Eurasian ancestry ('Basal", SW Asian, or African admixture), then D ~ 0 as both Georgians and Kurds would share similar total genetic drift with Steppe.

If however, Georgians and Kurds had similar levels of steppe ancestry AND Kurds had GREATER levels of non Crown Eurasian ancestry ( which is in fact the case with my Iraqi Kurd samples), then D should be > 0, because Georgians would share more TOTAL drift with steppe than Kurds would, because non Crown Eurasian admixture has a negative effect on shared drift with steppe.

However, what the results showed was that inspite of the additional non Crown Eurasian admixture in my Iraqi Kurd samples as compared with Caucasians, D was < 0, indicating greater shared drift Kurd-Steppe vs Georgian/Armenian/Turk - Steppe, inspite of the added SW Asian/ African admixture in my Kurd samples.

Therefore, to account for the steppe levels in my Kurd samples, input is needed from a population with significantly greater steppe ancestry than Georgians, Armenians, and Turks have to offer.

The question becomes what historical invasions or migrations into Kurdistan can account for these elevated steppe levels in Kurds to the exclusion of Georgians, Armenians, Iranians, and Turks.

I am quite confident that I have found the answer as I will demonstrate in subsequent posts.

Before I post tables here are some definitions:

Iranian - Average of 35 Iranian samples from Mazendaran, Loristan, and Shiraz

Turkish - Average of 75 Turk samples from Adana, Aydin, Balekisir, Istanbul, Kayseri, and Trabzon

Yamnaya_S = Yamnaya Samara,
Yamnaya_K = Yamnaya Kalmykia

Steppe samples as follows:



EHG_61
I0061


Yamnaya_S2
I0357


Yamnaya_S3
I0370


Poltavka1
I0371


Poltavka2
I0374


Yamnaya_S4
I0429


Yamnaya_S5
I0438


Poltavka4
I0440


Yamnaya_S6
I0443


Yamnaya_S7
I0444


Afansievo
RISE509


Afansievo
RISE511


Yamnaya_K2
RISE548


Steppe_Eneolithic
I0122


Scythian_IA
I0247


Steppe_MLBA
I0232


Steppe_MLBA
I0359


Steppe_MLBA
I0422


Steppe_MLBA
I0423


Steppe_MLBA
I0424


Steppe_MLBA
I0430


Steppe_MLBA
I0432


Sintashta
RISE395


Andronovo1
RISE500


Andronovo2
RISE503


Andronovo3
RISE505

Kurd
10-20-2016, 02:08 PM
To start out I explore the relationship of various steppe samples with Kurds vs Armenians and Georgians. Negative D indicates Kurd C3 shares more total genetic drift with the various samples than Georgians or Armenians. Tables are sorted with the samples Kurd C3 shares the most drift with on top.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0147
-2.147
58375


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.012
-2.194
98625


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
-0.0095
-1.456
57507


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0093
-1.459
70565


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.009
-1.348
58423


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.498
86114


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0083
-1.196
53056


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.0081
-1.341
85128


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0072
-1.247
104529


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.249
103695


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0068
-1.026
65230


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.0067
-1.033
67961


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.006
-0.898
64920


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0047
-1.065
105789


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
-0.0041
-0.657
74429


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
-0.0026
-0.447
90988


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
-0.0021
-0.326
67600


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
-0.0015
-0.285
103812


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
-0.001
-0.186
103582


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
0.0002
0.035
103164


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
0.0033
0.598
105796






POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.0126
-1.738
64920


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.012
-1.555
58423


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0099
-1.651
98625


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0096
-1.246
58375


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.373
103695


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.381
86114


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
-0.0083
-1.126
57507


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.0067
-1.022
85128


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0063
-1.314
105789


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0047
-0.599
53056


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0044
-0.625
70565


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0038
-0.529
65230


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.496
67600


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.499
67961


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0027
-0.427
104529


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
-0.0011
-0.176
103582


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
0.0008
0.133
103812


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
0.0011
0.172
103164


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
0.0018
0.281
90988


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
0.0037
0.526
74429


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
0.017
2.82
105796

Kurd
10-20-2016, 02:12 PM
Negative D indicates Kurd C3 shares more total genetic drift with the various samples than Iranians or Chalcolithic Iranians. Tables are sorted with the samples Kurd C3 shares the most drift with on top.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0153
-2.897
86114


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0136
-2.799
98625


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.0133
-2.401
85128


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.0131
-2.139
64920


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
-0.0125
-2.135
74429


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0118
-2.047
70565


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0116
-2.948
105789


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0113
-2.186
104529


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0105
-1.664
58375


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0103
-1.667
58423


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
-0.0095
-1.546
57507


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0094
-1.48
53056


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.0091
-1.542
67961


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0082
-1.362
65230


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0078
-1.519
103695


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
-0.0074
-1.263
67600


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
-0.0059
-1.263
103812


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
-0.005
-1.021
103582


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.659
103164


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
-0.0024
-0.44
90988


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
-0.0008
-0.159
105796





POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0248
-3.2
66591


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0207
-3.127
97213


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0202
-2.561
55978


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0178
-2.448
81001


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.0177
-2.428
80344


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0176
-2.679
92951


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0146
-2.129
97829


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0144
-2.648
98950


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0125
-1.555
62074


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
-0.0117
-1.409
55355


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
-0.0111
-1.774
97225


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0102
-1.195
55685


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.0093
-1.132
60993


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0084
-0.975
50325


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.0083
-1.097
64962


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
-0.0067
-0.905
86426


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
-0.0056
-0.723
64902


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
-0.004
-0.563
96773


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
-0.0032
-0.498
97140


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
-0.0032
-0.397
69522


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
0.0112
1.692
98947

Kurd
10-20-2016, 02:16 PM
Negative D indicates Kurd C3 shares more total genetic drift with the various steppe samples than Zoroastrians or the Iron Age Iranian samples with those steppe samples. Tables are sorted with the samples Kurd C3 shares the most drift with on top.




POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0125
-2.505
98554


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0111
-1.74
58374


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0107
-1.963
86046


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
-0.0096
-1.593
74377


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.0095
-1.533
64869


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.008
-1.419
85060


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0073
-1.242
70505


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.745
105715


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
-0.0069
-1.084
57456


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0063
-0.976
53019


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0057
-1.073
104457


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0048
-0.769
65177


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0046
-0.726
58324


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.0039
-0.671
67900


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
-0.0037
-0.609
67540


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
-0.0023
-0.476
103739


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0017
-0.328
103622


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
-0.0007
-0.137
103508


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
0.0006
0.11
103090


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
0.0007
0.128
90919


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
0.0014
0.283
105722





POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
-0.0186
-1.78
55471


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0139
-1.433
67368


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0109
-1.072
56525


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0103
-0.917
46339


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.01
-1.106
78523


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0094
-1.05
75194


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0091
-1.011
79021


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.009
-0.878
54183


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.0056
-0.513
50605


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0054
-0.477
41614


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
-0.0046
-0.49
72485


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0044
-0.397
47804


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.0044
-0.432
67851


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.318
51142


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0026
-0.364
79714


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
-0.0009
-0.095
78088


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
0.0036
0.335
55855


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
0.0041
0.492
78828


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
0.0051
0.585
78298


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
0.0069
0.771
79708


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
0.0142
1.304
48033

Kurd
10-20-2016, 02:19 PM
I'm out of time, but will post the remaining 10 tables tonight, along with the discussion

Kurd
10-20-2016, 07:58 PM
I just received an inquiry as to why Kurds score less steppe % on ADMIXTURE calculators than say Tajiks or Pashtuns. I wanted to post the answer here for the benefit of others that may be also be wondering.

For Kurds, most of their steppe ancestry is hidden under the Caucausus / W Asian component, which they score lots more of than Pashtuns and Tajiks. One to one dstats comparing Pashtun-Steppe vs Kurd-Steppe, which I will post tonight, show at least, if not more steppe ancestry for Kurd C3 than Pashtuns

Generally, Admixture underestimates steppe contribution because of the drift seperating moderns from ancient steppe references

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:10 AM
Turk - Steppe vs Kurd - Steppe

Whereas in general, my Kurd C3 sample is significantly more steppe shifted than the Turkish, Iranian, Georgian and Armenian samples, the sample that stands out across the board in all comparisons, is the Iron Age Western Scythian sample, Scythian IA. Kurd C3 seems to be significantly more Scythian IA shifted in ALL the comparisons. This is not surprising since Scythians and Mitanni ruled over Kurdistan. In fact, Scythians would have enough steppe ancestry to elevate steppe admixture in Kurds to levels higher than their current neighbors, and sway D (Georgian/Armenian, Kurd, Steppe, Outgroup) to negative territory (Kurd-steppe shift) in spite of elevated SW Asian admixture in Kurds, as compared to Georgians and SC Asians.

An additional observation here and with the previous comparisons is that Kurd C3 shares considerably more drift with Satsurbila than with Kotias. In other words shared drift Satsurbila-Kurd is considerably higher than Satsurbila-Turk or Iranian or Armenian or Georgian, when compared with Kotias-Kurd vs Kotias-Turk, Iranian, Armenian, or Georgian.

Negative D indicates Kurd C3 shares more total genetic drift with the various steppe samples than Turks share with those steppe samples. Tables are sorted with the samples Kurd C3 shares the most drift with on top.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
-0.0117
-2.017
74429


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.786
98625


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0084
-1.324
58375


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0052
-1.313
105789


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.233
70565


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0065
-1.228
86114


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0072
-1.155
58423


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
-0.0062
-1.005
57507


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.0062
-1
64920


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.0058
-0.984
67961


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.0055
-0.983
85128


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0056
-0.921
65230


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0041
-0.806
104529


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
-0.0047
-0.788
67600


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0049
-0.764
53056


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
-0.0015
-0.308
103812


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0015
-0.292
103695


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
-0.0012
-0.248
103582


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
-0.0003
-0.065
105796


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
0.0008
0.144
90988


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
0.001
0.194
103164

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:16 AM
Kurd C3 shares more drift with Yamnaya Samara IO444 than all the samples shaded green (including Kalash and Pashtuns). This is likely due to Scythian type input into Kurd. The highest Kurd C3 Yamnaya shift is for samples in the top of the table. The only samples here that share more drift with Yamnaya are the 3 at the bottom of the table.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Kostenki14
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0526
-4.949
54569


Iran_N
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0522
-4.827
48291


BedouinB
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0389
-5.726
58423


Levant_N
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0378
-3.203
43203


Jordanians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0356
-4.691
58423


GujaratiD
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.035
-4.835
58423


Iranian_Bandari
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0322
-4.884
58295


Iran_N_WC1
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0293
-2.891
36589


Druze
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0181
-2.612
58423


Jew_iraqi
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0176
-2.652
58423


Balochi
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0165
-2.584
58423


Levant_BA
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0143
-1.601
50992


Azerbaijanis
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0125
-1.741
58423


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.012
-1.555
58423


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0111
-1.74
58374


Assyrians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0104
-1.503
58423


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0103
-0.917
46339


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0103
-1.667
58423


Pathan
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0103
-1.622
58423


Kalash
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0095
-1.389
58423


Anatolia_N
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.009
-1.355
58423


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.009
-1.348
58423


Pashtun_Afghan
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0066
-0.991
56167


MA1
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.006
-0.501
42210


Kotias
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.002
-0.198
58416


North-Ossetians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0016
-0.203
58423


















Satsurbila
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
0.0007
0.058
41331


Lezgins
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
0.0077
1.119
58423


Lithuanians
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
0.0206
2.891
58423

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:21 AM
Here is where the Scythian effect on Kurd C3 becomes even more apparent. Kurd C3 shares more drift with Scythian IA than all but 1 sample at the bottom of the table. This is also not surprising considering that the sample is Western Scythian and Lithuanians have a huge amount of Steppe input. The greater the -ve D the greater the Kurd C3 Scythian shift.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Levant_N
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0488
-5.332
70060


Iran_N
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0428
-5.019
79368


Kostenki14
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0405
-4.72
91700


Jordanians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0375
-6.038
98625


BedouinB
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0366
-6.859
98625


Iranian_Bandari
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0346
-6.715
98419


Iran_N_WC1
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0312
-3.654
61880


GujaratiD
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0273
-5.052
98625


Kotias
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0188
-2.283
98604


Druze
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0187
-3.263
98625


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0176
-2.679
92951


Balochi
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0174
-3.454
98625


Pashtun_Afghan
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0171
-3.226
94992


Jew_iraqi
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0165
-3.125
98625


Levant_BA
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0158
-2.191
83902


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0136
-2.799
98625


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0125
-2.505
98554


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.012
-2.194
98625


Satsurbila
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0118
-1.31
69432


Pathan
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.011
-2.209
98625


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0099
-1.651
98625


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0094
-1.05
75194


MA1
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0093
-0.965
71199


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.786
98625


Anatolia_N
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0084
-1.622
98625


Assyrians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0076
-1.39
98625


Kalash
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0063
-1.153
98625


Azerbaijanis
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0061
-1.083
98625


North-Ossetians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0028
-0.468
98625


Lezgins
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0023
-0.441
98625


Lithuanians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
0.0059
1.048
98625

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:24 AM
Kurd C3 shares more drift with Karelia EHG for all the green shaded samples. The extra SW Asian admixture into Kurd C3 compared to Kalash or Pashtun hurts it in these comparisons.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Iran_N
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0487
-5.462
83056


Levant_N
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0484
-5.286
73180


Iran_N_WC1
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0385
-4.51
65024


Jordanians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0341
-5.476
103695


BedouinB
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.034
-5.918
103695


Iranian_Bandari
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0264
-4.871
103482


Levant_BA
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0217
-3.045
87874


Kostenki14
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0213
-2.389
96437


Druze
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0199
-3.312
103695


Jew_iraqi
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0182
-3.316
103695


GujaratiD
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0143
-2.556
103695


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.01
-1.106
78523


Anatolia_N
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0091
-1.626
103695


Kotias
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0088
-1.032
103674


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.373
103695


Balochi
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0081
-1.523
103695


Satsurbila
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0079
-0.849
72923


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0078
-1.519
103695


Assyrians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.209
103695


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.249
103695


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0017
-0.328
103622


Azerbaijanis
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.001
-0.177
103695


















Pashtun_Afghan
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0028
0.496
99919


Pathan
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0031
0.595
103695


North-Ossetians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0085
1.335
103695


Lezgins
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0107
1.864
103695


Kalash
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0122
2.173
103695


Lithuanians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0368
6.207
103695


MA1
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0678
7.175
74843

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:25 AM
Kurd C3 shares more drift with Karelia EHG for all the green shaded samples. The extra SW Asian admixture into Kurd C3 compared to Kalash Lezgin Ossetians or Pashtun hurts it in these comparisons.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Iran_N
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0487
-5.462
83056


Levant_N
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0484
-5.286
73180


Iran_N_WC1
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0385
-4.51
65024


Jordanians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0341
-5.476
103695


BedouinB
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.034
-5.918
103695


Iranian_Bandari
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0264
-4.871
103482


Levant_BA
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0217
-3.045
87874


Kostenki14
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0213
-2.389
96437


Druze
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0199
-3.312
103695


Jew_iraqi
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0182
-3.316
103695


GujaratiD
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0143
-2.556
103695


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.01
-1.106
78523


Anatolia_N
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0091
-1.626
103695


Kotias
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0088
-1.032
103674


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.373
103695


Balochi
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0081
-1.523
103695


Satsurbila
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0079
-0.849
72923


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0078
-1.519
103695


Assyrians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.209
103695


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.249
103695


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0017
-0.328
103622


Azerbaijanis
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.001
-0.177
103695


















Pashtun_Afghan
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0028
0.496
99919


Pathan
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0031
0.595
103695


North-Ossetians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0085
1.335
103695


Lezgins
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0107
1.864
103695


Kalash
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0122
2.173
103695


Lithuanians
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0368
6.207
103695


MA1
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
0.0678
7.175
74843

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:39 AM
Professor Izady who has taught at Columbia and Harvard states the following http://www.kurdistanica.com/?q=node/74

The name ‘Mittani’ survives today in the Kurdish clans of Mattini and Millani/Milli who inhabit the exact same geographical areas of Kurdistan as the ancient Mittani. The name "Mittan," however, is a Hurrian name rather than Aryan. At the onset of Aryan immigration into Kurdistan, only the aristocracy of the high-ranking warrior groups were Aryans, while the bulk of the people were still Hurrian in all manners. The Mittani aristocratic house almost certainly was from the immigrant Sindis, who survive today in the populous Kurdish clan of Sindi—again—in the same area where the Mittani kingdom once existed. These ancient Sindi seem to have been an Indic, and not Iranic group of people, and in fact a branch of the better known Sindis of India-Pakistan, that has imparted its name to the River Indus and in fact, India itself. (footnote 8) While the bulk of the Sindis moved on to India, some wondered into Kurdistan to give rise to the Mittani royal house and the modern Sindi Kurds.

Expectedly, the Mittani pantheon includes names like Indra, Varuna, Suriya and Nasatya is typically Indic. The Mittanis could have introduced during this early period some of the Indic/Vedic tradition that appears to be manifest in the Kurdish religion of Yazdanism.

The avalanche of the Indo-European tribes, however, was to come about 1200 BC, raining havoc on the economy and settled culture in the mountains and lowlands alike. The north was settled by the Haigs who are known to us now as the Armenians, while the rest of the mountains became targets of settlement of various Iranic peoples, such as the Medes, Persian, Scythians, Sarmatians, and Sagarthians (whose name survives in the name of the Zagros mountains).

By 850 BC, the last Hurrian states had been extinguished by the invading Aryans, whose sheer number of immigrants must have been considerable. These succeeded over time to change the Hurrian language(s) of the people in Kurdistan, as well as their genetic make-up. By about the 3rd century BC, the Aryanization of the mountain communities was virtually complete.

Since the star of the Mittani shown brightest in 1500 BC, Aryan dynasties of various size and influence continued their appearance in various corners of Kurdistan. None, however, was to match, and in fact surpass the Mittanis as the Medians. The rise of the Medes from their capital at Ecbatana (modern Hamadan) in 727 coincided with the fall of the last major Hurrian kingdom: the Mannaeans. Ignoring the proud legacy of the Hurrian states and even the Aryan empire of the Mittanis which can squarely be claimed by on every ground by modern Kurds, it is the Medes that the Kurds have grown most fund of. Medes are claimed regularly by the Kurds and pronounced by others to be the ancestors of them. This is strange, when realizing how many millennia of cultural and ethnic evolution preceded the rise of Medes into Kurdistan. In reality, Medes are no more the ancestors of the modern Kurds as all other Halafian, Hurrian and Mittani who came before them or the legion of other peoples and states that came after them. Nonetheless, today, even the first Kurdish satellite television transmitter is given the name "Med TV" (Kurdish for "Median TV"). Fascination of the Kurds with the Median Federation (a.k.a., Empire) that ended in 549 BC remains supreme, indeed."


Interestingly, we have some Iraqi Kurd family friends with last name Sindi (Sindi tribe). Even more interesting, they "look" quite Sindi.

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:50 AM
Scythians in Ancient Kurdistan

http://landofkarda.blogspot.com/2011/05/scythians-in-ancient-kurdistan.html

Kurd
10-21-2016, 03:54 AM
Comparing with the Khvalynsk sample (75% EHG). The extra SW Asian admixture into Kurd C3 compared to Kalash Lezgin Ossetians or Pashtun hurts it in these comparisons.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Iran_N
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0518
-4.782
49183


Kostenki14
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0454
-4.015
54600


Levant_N
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0445
-4.067
44284


BedouinB
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.041
-5.954
58375


Iran_N_WC1
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.041
-3.809
36815


Jordanians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0356
-4.619
58375


Iranian_Bandari
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0289
-4.335
58238


Druze
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0257
-3.383
58375


Levant_BA
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0229
-2.696
52265


Jew_iraqi
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0224
-3.323
58375


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0202
-2.561
55978


GujaratiD
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0192
-2.84
58375


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0147
-2.147
58375


Assyrians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.013
-1.78
58375


Balochi
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0124
-1.918
58375


Anatolia_N
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0106
-1.552
58375


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0105
-1.664
58375


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0096
-1.246
58375


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0084
-1.324
58375


Azerbaijanis
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0081
-1.104
58375


Kotias
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0074
-0.714
58371


North-Ossetians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0047
-0.604
58375


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0046
-0.726
58324


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0044
-0.397
47804


Pathan
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.004
-0.633
58375


Kalash
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0039
-0.558
58375


Pashtun_Afghan
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0023
-0.331
55946


Satsurbila
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
0.0048
0.401
41090


Lezgins
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
0.0059
0.837
58375


Lithuanians
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
0.025
3.368
58375


MA1
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
0.0304
2.58
42452

Kurd
10-21-2016, 12:24 PM
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Kurd
10-21-2016, 12:28 PM
Here is where the Scythian effect on Kurd C3 becomes even more apparent. Kurd C3 shares more drift with Scythian IA than all but 1 sample at the bottom of the table. This is also not surprising considering that the sample is Western Scythian and Lithuanians have a huge amount of Steppe input. The greater the -ve D the greater the Kurd C3 Scythian shift.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Levant_N
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0488
-5.332
70060


Iran_N
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0428
-5.019
79368


Kostenki14
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0405
-4.72
91700


Jordanians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0375
-6.038
98625


BedouinB
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0366
-6.859
98625


Iranian_Bandari
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0346
-6.715
98419


Iran_N_WC1
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0312
-3.654
61880


GujaratiD
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0273
-5.052
98625


Kotias
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0188
-2.283
98604


Druze
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0187
-3.263
98625


Iran_ChL
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0176
-2.679
92951


Balochi
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0174
-3.454
98625


Pashtun_Afghan
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0171
-3.226
94992


Jew_iraqi
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0165
-3.125
98625


Levant_BA
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0158
-2.191
83902


Iranian
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0136
-2.799
98625


Iran_Zoroastrian
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0125
-2.505
98554


Armenians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.012
-2.194
98625


Satsurbila
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0118
-1.31
69432


Pathan
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.011
-2.209
98625


Georgians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0099
-1.651
98625


Iran_recent
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0094
-1.05
75194


MA1
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0093
-0.965
71199


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.786
98625


Anatolia_N
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0084
-1.622
98625


Assyrians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0076
-1.39
98625


Kalash
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0063
-1.153
98625


Azerbaijanis
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0061
-1.083
98625


North-Ossetians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0028
-0.468
98625


Lezgins
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0023
-0.441
98625


Lithuanians
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
0.0059
1.048
98625






Members shaded green share less genetic drift with Scythian IA compared to Kurd C3-Scythian shared drift, with those sharing the least drift compared to C3 on top.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.MOTA
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.3104
-46.078
93822


.Awale
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.1809
-26.132
98404


.Lank
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.1551
-23.58
98395


.Nee4speed
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0438
-6.231
98269


.Jesus
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0377
-5.348
98249


.Farid
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0331
-4.402
98289


.Sadia
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0325
-4.485
98378


.Varun
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0309
-4.41
98185


.McNinja
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0301
-4.201
97958


.Zara
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0272
-3.788
98483


.Hanif
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0257
-3.59
98310


.Reza1
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0249
-3.503
98083


.Punjabi_Rajput
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0245
-3.424
98499


.Khana
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0236
-3.271
98342


.McNinjaMom
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0234
-3.265
97935


.Iranian567
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0233
-3.295
98337


.Kenji
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0217
-3.079
98266


.Ashwin
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0215
-2.978
98350


.Kaido
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0174
-2.474
98400


.Pak_Gujjar
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0166
-2.299
97940


.Asimakidis
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0154
-2.162
98058


.Passa
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0147
-2.205
98124


.Zephyrous
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0145
-2.089
98355


.Bored
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0142
-1.944
98480


.Jam
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0138
-1.926
98425


.Halgurd
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0134
-1.923
98348


.Parasar
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0133
-1.897
95701


.Humanist
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0125
-1.797
98416


.Dluffy
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0124
-1.747
98329


.Arain_Sheikh
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0122
-1.73
98378


.Jatt2016
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0121
-1.713
98027


.Bol_Nat
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.012
-1.724
97287


.Balq
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0108
-1.585
97859


.Sein
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0105
-1.515
97979


Pashtun Afghan
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0073
-1.057
98347


.NK19191
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0067
-0.966
98315


.Melif
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0056
-0.819
98529


.Gill
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0052
-0.747
97972


.Rukha
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0051
-0.716
98384


.Sapporo
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0041
-0.597
97497


.Kurd_C2
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0031
-0.477
98468


.Powell
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0022
-0.3
98323


.Hanna
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
0.0013
0.185
98330

Kurd
10-21-2016, 12:51 PM
Members shaded green share less genetic drift with Yamnaya Samara 7 compared to Kurd C3-Yamnaya S7 shared drift, with those sharing the least drift compared to C3 on top.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.MOTA
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.3107
-38.399
55553


.Awale
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.1961
-23.394
58296


.Lank
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.1582
-19.734
58289


.Nee4speed
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0435
-4.911
58200


.Jesus
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0406
-4.482
58230


.Ashwin
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0327
-3.784
58254


.Reza1
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0324
-3.687
58089


.Varun
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0318
-3.759
58161


.Iranian567
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0293
-3.491
58238


.McNinja
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0286
-3.215
58006


.Kenji
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0267
-2.992
58209


.Jam
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0239
-2.736
58295


.Khana
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0229
-2.494
58260


.Balq
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0228
-2.566
57985


.Sadia
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0206
-2.207
58273


.Zara
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0205
-2.187
58342


.Farid
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0197
-2.152
58225


.McNinjaMom
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0193
-2.169
57987


.Pak_Gujjar
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0164
-1.806
58000


.Jatt2016
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0158
-1.783
58082


.Hanif
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0152
-1.704
58235


.NK19191
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0131
-1.476
58237


.Sapporo
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0124
-1.453
57720


.Dluffy
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0122
-1.367
58244


.Bored
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.012
-1.312
58338


.Bol_Nat
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0118
-1.307
57601


.Parasar
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0115
-1.282
56605


.Arain_Sheikh
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0108
-1.228
58277


.Punjabi_Rajput
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.01
-1.105
58338


.Asimakidis
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0098
-1.165
58079


.Kaido
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0094
-1.051
58291


.Zephyrous
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0091
-1.007
58266


.Passa
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0074
-0.87
58126


.Melif
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0073
-0.841
58369


.Jatt_Har393
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0066
-0.745
58323


Pashtun Afghan
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0051
-0.578
58250


.Sein
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.005
-0.584
58027


.Humanist
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0049
-0.549
58288


.Gill
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0047
-0.538
58019


.Znertu
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0041
-0.472
58286


.Kurd_F1
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0033
-0.381
58347


.Hanna
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0027
-0.311
58243


.Kurd_C1
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0016
-0.182
58284


.Mfa
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0007
-0.074
57631


.Rukha
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0005
-0.053
58284


.Kurd_F2
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
0.0044
0.475
58242


.Kurd_Ezidi
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
0.0049
0.574
57954


.Powell
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
0.0059
0.678
58255

Anabasis
10-23-2016, 05:03 PM
Good workk but are those stats yields same results for other Kurdish Samples?

Kurd
10-23-2016, 06:55 PM
Good workk but are those stats yields same results for other Kurdish Samples?

Good point. Well, with regards to the Yamnaya S7 comparison above, Kurds F2 and Yazidi share slightly more drift with Yamnaya than Kurd C 3 does, and Mfa Kurd C1 Kurd F1 and Znertu share only slightly less drift with Yamnaya than C3 does, however, some may argue that the reason these Kurds share this much drift with Yamnaya is because these Kurds are closely related to only one sideof Yamnaya, the W Asian side, and not because of ancestry from Yamnaya itself.

This may be true to some extent, that is why I also test with EHG and Eneolithic Khvalynsk to see if the pattern holds.

With the Scythian comparison , I see that Kurd C2 shares almost the same amount of drift with Scythian that Kurd C3 shares, but I assume the feylis would share less, simply because they are a little further removed from historical Scythian controlled areas than C2 and C3

I will check other Kurds with the EHG and Scythian test later

Kurd
11-20-2016, 06:18 PM
Turk - Steppe vs Kurd - Steppe

Whereas in general, my Kurd C3 sample is significantly more steppe shifted than the Turkish, Iranian, Georgian and Armenian samples, the sample that stands out across the board in all comparisons, is the Iron Age Western Scythian sample, Scythian IA. Kurd C3 seems to be significantly more Scythian IA shifted in ALL the comparisons. This is not surprising since Scythians and Mitanni ruled over Kurdistan. In fact, Scythians would have enough steppe ancestry to elevate steppe admixture in Kurds to levels higher than their current neighbors, and sway D (Georgian/Armenian, Kurd, Steppe, Outgroup) to negative territory (Kurd-steppe shift) in spite of elevated SW Asian admixture in Kurds, as compared to Georgians and SC Asians.

An additional observation here and with the previous comparisons is that Kurd C3 shares considerably more drift with Satsurbila than with Kotias. In other words shared drift Satsurbila-Kurd is considerably higher than Satsurbila-Turk or Iranian or Armenian or Georgian, when compared with Kotias-Kurd vs Kotias-Turk, Iranian, Armenian, or Georgian.

Negative D indicates Kurd C3 shares more total genetic drift with the various steppe samples than Turks share with those steppe samples. Tables are sorted with the samples Kurd C3 shares the most drift with on top.



POP 1
POP 2
TARGET
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Satsurbila
Chimp
-0.0117
-2.017
74429


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Scythian_IA
Chimp
-0.0087
-1.786
98625


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_Eneolithic
Chimp
-0.0084
-1.324
58375


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Steppe_MLBA
Chimp
-0.0052
-1.313
105789


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_K2
Chimp
-0.0071
-1.233
70565


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo1
Chimp
-0.0065
-1.228
86114


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S7
Chimp
-0.0072
-1.155
58423


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka1
Chimp
-0.0062
-1.005
57507


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo2
Chimp
-0.0062
-1
64920


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S4
Chimp
-0.0058
-0.984
67961


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Sintashta
Chimp
-0.0055
-0.983
85128


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S5
Chimp
-0.0056
-0.921
65230


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Andronovo3
Chimp
-0.0041
-0.806
104529


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S3
Chimp
-0.0047
-0.788
67600


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S2
Chimp
-0.0049
-0.764
53056


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Afansievo
Chimp
-0.0015
-0.308
103812


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
EHG_61
Chimp
-0.0015
-0.292
103695


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka4
Chimp
-0.0012
-0.248
103582


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Kotias
Chimp
-0.0003
-0.065
105796


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Poltavka2
Chimp
0.0008
0.144
90988


Turkish
.Kurd_C3
Yamnaya_S6
Chimp
0.001
0.194
103164




Here is an interesting video on the Scythians in Kurdistan, and a comparison of Scythian and Kurdi [ I write Kurdi because Kurds don't refer to their language as Kurdish. "Kurdish" is a British invention] words.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU2cP28TRDI

DMXX
11-21-2016, 02:40 PM
A reasonable proposition. We can add the Hittites and Armenians to the list of potential layers of steppe ancestry among Kurds that didn't affect other West Iranic speakers to the same degree. By sheer coincidence, I just commented on this here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9124-Steppe-ancestry-of-Iranians-Kurds&p=198765&viewfull=1#post198765).

It might be useful to determine whether Kurds have a specific excess of Yamnaya-Afanasievo/EMBA ancestry compared to Iranians, which is supported by the EHG and Satsurbila formal stats shown here. We have a linguo-historical scenario that neatly explains this if a direct formal stat comparison confirms this (i.e. modern Kurds possess ancient Hittite and Armenian admixture not found among Iranians).

Kurd
11-21-2016, 11:49 PM
The main purpose of this thread was to figure out how Kurds got their steppe ancestry. As stated in my opening post, I was Initially under the impression that it had been passed down to them via one of their neighbors.

The only problem with that is they share more drift with steppe groups, especially with Scythian IA and Eneolithic Khvalynsk than all their neighbors. The dstats on the previous pages indicate that Kurds are more steppe admixed than:

1- Georgians
2- Armenians
3- Turks
4- Arabs
5- Other Iranians
6- Ancient Iranians
7- Zoroastrians
8- S Asians
9- Assyrians
10- CHG
11- Many SC Asians

So if Kurds are more steppe admixed than all their neighbors, that would imply they have direct ancestry from a steppe group. I suspect Scythians, Cimmerians, and Mittani, since they all had occupied Kurdistan at one time or another.

Unfortunately ADMIXTURE calculators dont show this steppe ancestry in Kurds for a couple of reasons:

1- There is drift that differentiates ancients from moderns
2- The Caucausus component hides much of this steppe ancestry in W Asians