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vettor
10-26-2016, 05:21 PM
There is a new Tree for T

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184#/media/File:Haplogroup_T-M184_tree.png

Thank you to the creator

vettor
10-26-2016, 08:24 PM
My line is the bottom left of the chart ...........the european ( CTS8489 branch )

Funny how the european branch from L446 moved nicely with time into other subclades.........the Persian group stalled for 6400 years after breaking from L446 ..........I find this very unusual

vettor
10-27-2016, 05:21 PM
A paper remarked that T ( ydna ) comes from the eurasian plate...........this excludes India, Anatolia and the Arabian peninsula.........but the remainder is still a huge area, I think they refer to only the Persian-Tibet-Burma Orogeny zone only

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Plate

Hallast (Nov 2014). The Y-chromosome tree bursts into leaf: 13,000 high-confidence SNPs covering the majority of known clades

AndresT
11-09-2016, 08:56 AM
Vettor, I updated the tree with Z19945 branches.

The Persian branch is not "stalled" but just their upstream branches still are undiscovered. We should wait for more YFull participants and further papers testing more world regions.

AndresT
11-09-2016, 09:04 AM
A paper remarked that T ( ydna ) comes from the eurasian plate...........this excludes India, Anatolia and the Arabian peninsula.........but the remainder is still a huge area, I think they refer to only the Persian-Tibet-Burma Orogeny zone only

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Plate

Hallast (Nov 2014). The Y-chromosome tree bursts into leaf: 13,000 high-confidence SNPs covering the majority of known clades

Actually, the origin of T could be anywhere between North European Plain and Eastern Himalaya. But I would bet for somewhere around Black Sea and Caspian Sea

vettor
11-09-2016, 05:19 PM
Actually, the origin of T could be anywhere between North European Plain and Eastern Himalaya. But I would bet for somewhere around Black Sea and Caspian Sea

I am thinking about this as well............more caspian than black though ................it fits with the L haplogroup around the Caspian, who T was once in union with.

So I agree with you

Ftdna map states south afghan for beginning of T .................but I always found these maps had many errors

AndresT
11-09-2016, 10:44 PM
I am thinking about this as well............more caspian than black though ................it fits with the L haplogroup around the Caspian, who T was once in union with.

So I agree with you

Ftdna map states south afghan for beginning of T .................but I always found these maps had many errors

All FTDNA maps are too outdated. None is working on them

vettor
03-01-2018, 04:57 PM
All FTDNA maps are too outdated. None is working on them

I worked out on your tree map that I can only fit under T1a2a1a1a2b

who are T1a2a2 ?