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Maximilian
11-25-2016, 10:09 PM
Hello community.

My girlfriend got her results from Geno 2.0 today and it said her haplogroup is H33c - when she transferred the results to FTDNA it said her mtDNA haplogroup is H2 - is there any connection between H2 and H33c?

Where is the origin of H33c - do you know what the science can tell us about its time and area?

Thank you a lot,


Maximilian

evon
11-26-2016, 11:00 AM
Hello community.

My girlfriend got her results from Geno 2.0 today and it said her haplogroup is H33c - when she transferred the results to FTDNA it said her mtDNA haplogroup is H2 - is there any connection between H2 and H33c?

Where is the origin of H33c - do you know what the science can tell us about its time and area?

Thank you a lot,


Maximilian

H33c:
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/h33_genbank_sequences.htm

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4958-H33c-Any-info-Apparnently-a-Yamnaya-sample-had-this&highlight=H33c

Maximilian
11-26-2016, 05:20 PM
Well, thank you evon.

I already saw these pages but as a beginner in genetic science I don't really understand lot of it.

As far as I know there are no proven origin region or date of formation of H33c - is that right? I think this haplotype is pretty rare, found everywhere around the world - but still, there should be an area of origin.

Thank you,

Maximilian

evon
11-26-2016, 09:17 PM
Well, thank you evon.

I already saw these pages but as a beginner in genetic science I don't really understand lot of it.

As far as I know there are no proven origin region or date of formation of H33c - is that right? I think this haplotype is pretty rare, found everywhere around the world - but still, there should be an area of origin.

Thank you,

Maximilian

I have very little knowledge of mtDNA H in general, but since H33c is so rare it is likely that the "origin" of the H33c branch will remain hidden until more testing has been done, but at least you know it was on the Eurasian steppe during the Yamnaya era.. My best guess at this point would be that it originated around the Caucasus region some time before the Yamnaya culture..

Maximilian
11-27-2016, 09:11 AM
Wow, that's fascinating!

Thank you for this information :)

username_required0202
11-27-2016, 01:03 PM
Hey Max, I have H33c. My mother and her family are from Frankfurt am main. What part of Europe is your girlfriend's maternal line from?

Maximilian
11-27-2016, 11:00 PM
What part of Europe is your girlfriend's maternal line from?

Wow, that's fascinating!

She said that her maternal line is austrian (german surnames). Her oldest known maternal ancestor was born about 1880 in Burgenland (Eastern Austria), surname Reiter.

We opened a group on facebook for the H33-branches to collect and publish information about the haplotype - feel free to join - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1838965033006405

Maximilian

username_required0202
02-05-2017, 08:08 AM
Hi Max,

I've been checking back on this thread every now and then to see if there was any new activity. Regretfully I don't have a Facebook account so I'm unable to view the page; Would you be able to update this thread if you come across any new information or other H33c members on your Facebook group?

Thanks much.

hannah-lena
05-04-2017, 10:46 PM
Hey Username_required0202,

Seems like we are very few. The only members until now on Facebook are my Mother and I.
I ordered the mtdna Full last week and we are waiting for the results now. Did you do the mtdna full test?

I do know now the Mother of Maria Reiter. She lived in Hungary (you can see her dates in my signature).
I did not find any new information's about H33c - nothing.

username_required0202
05-28-2017, 09:33 AM
Hey Hannah and Max. Any new updates from the mtDNA Full test? I have personally not done that, but will consider it if you wouldn't mind doing a quick review of it.

Quick update on my maternal history. Before Frankfurt am Main, my maternal line lived in Fulda, and evidently before that lived in Austria, like you (Historically, they are Catholic, BTW). Could there be a common Austrian/Hungarian ancestor during the Middle Ages maybe?

Personally, I'm frustrated that, according to Genbank, there should be near 330,000 H33c people in the world, yet it's so limited online. Most H33c people should be from the developed part of the world, but they're basically impossible to find online despite that.

hannah-lena
05-29-2017, 08:47 AM
Hey Username_required0202,

No, I do not have any new updates. They say it is expected between 06/12/2017 - 06/26/2017.

This is interesting. I can not tell you very much about my maternal line. The Hungarian birth books which I need to read trough are not digitized yet. I know that they spoke Croatian (so did my great grandmother, my grandmother didn't like to speak croatian anymore). I don't know if this is from the "bresits-side" or from her daughters later husband. They belonged to a minority of Croats in Burgenland - todays Austria, former Hungary.

I agree with you. I think it is kind of frustrating also because you do not find a lot information. On Ftdna there are 2 people mentioned - latest known ancestor lived in devon, England around 1810 - maybe one family. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtdna_hstar/default.aspx?section=mtresults
Also if you look on the map at H33* (which is H33c) you can see there is one match in Great Britain and one match in Greece. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtdna_hstar?iframe=mtmap
If you scroll down you can find a list of samples with mtnda H33c (Geno 2.0) http://haplogroup.org/mtdna/rsrs/l123456/l23456/l2346/l346/l34/l3/n/r/r0/hv/h/h33/h33c/

http://thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/a/2/d420cc6ec1b2fee3751d289652a.html you also find this about the age of H33c, but i do not know, if the information is correct.

In my opinion H33c seems to be all over the world. It is very difficult to determine an origin although I do read a lot about an origin in Arabia. (for example as I mentioned in my previous post)

hannah-lena
05-31-2017, 08:59 AM
Hello Username_required0202,

So today I received my mtdna results!!!
They are pretty interesting and I have sadly only 4 mtdnafull matches but (!) one with distance 0. I don't know how much generations this could be, but it seems pretty close. In my opinion you can not find a clear origin.

Even their "Your Origin" is only about H not H33c. (though my H33c is now confirmed).
I don't know what I can tell you more. You can clearly see, that there are not a lot information about this Haplotype.
If you have questions which I may not answered yet, please ask...

Hannah