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Piquerobi
11-28-2016, 12:04 PM
When they were expelled from Spain many of the Sephardic Jews fled to the then Ottoman Empire, settling mainly in places like Salonika (now Greece) and Izmir (now Turkey), where they comprised a substantial % of the population. The mostly Samaritan results show they carry Ancient Israelite ancestry IMO and the Iberian component the admixture they got after living in the Iberian peninsula for over a thousand perhaps over 2 thousand years. Still, they turn out mostly Samaritan (a proxy for Ancient Israelite). The 500 years old period of settlement in Greece and Turkey does not seem to show up.

Eurogenes k13:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.57
2 West_Med 21.47
3 North_Atlantic 15.74
4 West_Asian 12.52
5 Red_Sea 9.39
6 Baltic 2.3
7 Northeast_African 1.76
8 East_Asian 1.5
9 Siberian 0.41
10 South_Asian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 3.08
2 Italian_Jewish 4.49
3 Algerian_Jewish 5.23
4 South_Italian 6.6
5 Tunisian_Jewish 6.84
6 Libyan_Jewish 7.64
7 East_Sicilian 8.05
8 Ashkenazi 8.5
9 West_Sicilian 9.63
10 Central_Greek 10.06
11 Italian_Abruzzo 11.34
12 Cyprian 12.7
13 Lebanese_Muslim 15.86
14 Greek_Thessaly 16.09
15 Tuscan 16.14
16 Syrian 16.48
17 Samaritan 17.47
18 Palestinian 18.2
19 Jordanian 18.5
20 Lebanese_Christian 19.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Samaritan + 33.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.83
2 63.2% Samaritan + 36.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.92
3 72.6% Samaritan + 27.4% French_Basque @ 1.93
4 64.9% Samaritan + 35.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.2
5 63.5% Samaritan + 36.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.29
6 94.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.9% Sardinian @ 2.31
7 64.3% Samaritan + 35.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.4
8 64.5% Lebanese_Christian + 35.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.43
9 95.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.8% Southwest_French @ 2.49
10 94.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.5
11 95.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.51
12 96.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 3.8% French_Basque @ 2.51
13 94.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.51
14 94.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.52
15 94.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.52
16 84% Sephardic_Jewish + 16% West_Sicilian @ 2.52
17 61.2% Lebanese_Christian + 38.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.54
18 92.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.3% North_Italian @ 2.54
19 94.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.55
20 95.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 4.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.56

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.57
2 West_Med 21.47
3 North_Atlantic 15.74
4 West_Asian 12.52
5 Red_Sea 9.39
6 Baltic 2.30
7 Northeast_African 1.76
8 East_Asian 1.50


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.366179
2 Italian_Jewish @ 5.000558
3 Algerian_Jewish @ 5.686387
4 South_Italian @ 7.219330
5 Tunisian_Jewish @ 7.628167
6 Libyan_Jewish @ 8.272821
7 East_Sicilian @ 9.046181
8 Ashkenazi @ 9.478448
9 West_Sicilian @ 10.867848
10 Central_Greek @ 11.270769
11 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.849660
12 Cyprian @ 14.628642
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.157049
14 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.177740
15 Tuscan @ 18.436298
16 Syrian @ 18.689610
17 Samaritan @ 20.082869
18 Tunisian @ 20.128065
19 Palestinian @ 20.451399
20 Jordanian @ 20.591686

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Italian +50% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.352956


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Samaritan +25% Sephardic_Jewish +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.789533


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Jewish + Samaritan + Samaritan + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.787025
2 Samaritan + Samaritan + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.789533
3 Cyprian + Libyan_Jewish + Samaritan + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.856848
4 Cyprian + Samaritan + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.869752
5 French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish @ 1.917474
6 French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.928035
7 Algerian_Jewish + Samaritan + Samaritan + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.958983
8 French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish + Samaritan @ 2.005744
9 French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.032459
10 Algerian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.057551
11 Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.086274
12 Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.093319
13 Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.123231
14 Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.166173
15 Italian_Jewish + Samaritan + Samaritan + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.169255
16 Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.181053
17 Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.202664
18 Samaritan + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.207517
19 Italian_Jewish + Samaritan + Samaritan + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.230176
20 Cyprian + Samaritan + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.231585

Done.

Eurogenes v2k15:


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.21
2 West_Med 17.59
3 Atlantic 16.44
4 West_Asian 13.11
5 Red_Sea 10.32
6 North_Sea 4.24
7 Baltic 3.17
8 Northeast_African 2.09
9 Southeast_Asian 1.41
10 Siberian 0.24
11 South_Asian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 4.07
2 Italian_Jewish 5.86
3 Algerian_Jewish 6.12
4 South_Italian 7.48
5 Tunisian_Jewish 7.63
6 East_Sicilian 8.33
7 West_Sicilian 8.85
8 Central_Greek 10.08
9 Ashkenazi 10.22
10 Italian_Abruzzo 10.67
11 Libyan_Jewish 12.08
12 Cyprian 12.96
13 Greek 14.4
14 Tuscan 14.83
15 Lebanese_Muslim 16.13
16 Greek_Thessaly 16.15
17 Syrian 16.45
18 Samaritan 17.88
19 Jordanian 18.63
20 Palestinian 19.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69% Samaritan + 31% French_Basque @ 2.77
2 93.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.5% French_Basque @ 3.03
3 91.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 8.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.19
4 92.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.21
5 92% Sephardic_Jewish + 8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.23
6 93% Sephardic_Jewish + 7% Southwest_French @ 3.25
7 93% Sephardic_Jewish + 7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.31
8 92.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.31
9 93.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.5% Sardinian @ 3.36
10 92.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.36
11 92.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.41
12 92.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.41
13 93.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.5
14 93% Sephardic_Jewish + 7% Portuguese @ 3.51
15 91% Sephardic_Jewish + 9% North_Italian @ 3.52
16 93.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.57
17 88.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 11.8% Tuscan @ 3.58
18 82.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 17.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.68
19 59.9% Samaritan + 40.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.73
20 85.5% Tunisian_Jewish + 14.5% French_Basque @ 3.75

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.21
2 West_Med 17.59
3 Atlantic 16.44
4 West_Asian 13.11
5 Red_Sea 10.32
6 North_Sea 4.24
7 Baltic 3.17
8 Northeast_African 2.09
9 Southeast_Asian 1.41


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.612352
2 Italian_Jewish @ 6.723702
3 Algerian_Jewish @ 6.814649
4 South_Italian @ 8.256424
5 Tunisian_Jewish @ 8.662251
6 East_Sicilian @ 9.535775
7 West_Sicilian @ 10.028160
8 Central_Greek @ 11.386546
9 Ashkenazi @ 11.853524
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.160946
11 Libyan_Jewish @ 13.788123
12 Cyprian @ 15.117860
13 Greek @ 16.309975
14 Tuscan @ 17.139713
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.544100
16 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.681971
17 Syrian @ 18.904753
18 Tunisian @ 19.842630
19 Samaritan @ 20.927044
20 Jordanian @ 21.036812

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sephardic_Jewish +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.612352


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% French_Basque +25% Palestinian @ 3.839176


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Samaritan + Samaritan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.093937
2 French_Basque + Samaritan + Samaritan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.137400
3 Cyprian + French_Basque + Samaritan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.235788
4 French_Basque + Samaritan + Syrian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.288093
5 French_Basque + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.400225
6 Bedouin + Cyprian + Cyprian + French_Basque @ 3.465992
7 French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.468658
8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 3.482921
9 French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.538006
10 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 3.665879
11 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritan @ 3.670342
12 Cyprian + French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.670634
13 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Samaritan + Syrian @ 3.674825
14 Samaritan + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.690281
15 French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Syrian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.693615
16 French_Basque + Samaritan + Sephardic_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.706123
17 Cyprian + French_Basque + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.763505
18 Cyprian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.795096
19 French_Basque + Samaritan + Samaritan + South_Italian @ 3.801955
20 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritan @ 3.815866

Done.

Elapsed time 0.8746 seconds.

Dodecad k12b:

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.46
2 Atlantic_Med 26.1
3 Southwest_Asian 17.15
4 Northwest_African 7.16
5 North_European 7.04
6 Gedrosia 6.91
7 East_African 0.71
8 Southeast_Asian 0.7
9 South_Asian 0.58
10 East_Asian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 4.02
2 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 4.58
3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.89
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.89
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 9.14
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 9.86
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.56
8 Greek (Dodecad) 15.95
9 Cypriots (Behar) 15.97
10 Lebanese (Behar) 17.17
11 O_Italian (Dodecad) 19.05
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.46
13 Syrians (Behar) 19.48
14 Jordanians (Behar) 19.78
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.26
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.58
17 Druze (HGDP) 21.14
18 Palestinian (HGDP) 21.16
19 Turks (Behar) 22.48
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 24.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% Druze (HGDP) + 39.5% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.41
2 90.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 9.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.77
3 95.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.8
4 91.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 8.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.8
5 95.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.86
6 95.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.87
7 95.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.88
8 95.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.89
9 96% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.9
10 93.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 6.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.9
11 95.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.3% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.91
12 91.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 8.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.91
13 96.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 3.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.91
14 96.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 3.7% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.94
15 96.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 3.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.94
16 94.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 5.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.94
17 95.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.95
18 85.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 14.8% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.96
19 93.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 6.4% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.97
20 95.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 4.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 2.97

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.46
2 Atlantic_Med 26.10
3 Southwest_Asian 17.15
4 Northwest_African 7.16
5 North_European 7.04
6 Gedrosia 6.91


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 4.286867
2 Sephardic_Jews @ 5.104330
3 Sicilian @ 9.587204
4 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 9.599391
5 Ashkenazi @ 9.994288
6 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 10.777570
7 C_Italian @ 16.735563
8 Greek @ 17.303020
9 Cypriots @ 17.847916
10 Lebanese @ 18.517488
11 O_Italian @ 20.597300
12 Syrians @ 20.812366
13 Tuscan @ 20.945904
14 Jordanians @ 20.991560
15 TSI30 @ 21.840017
16 Turkish @ 22.347904
17 Palestinian @ 22.429358
18 Druze @ 23.231951
19 Turks @ 24.359526
20 Egyptans @ 26.408472

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 3.742379


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% Syrians +25% TSI30 @ 2.328022


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Canarias + Cypriots + Morocco_Jews + Syrians @ 1.774710
2 Jordanians + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + TSI30 @ 1.882611
3 Canarias + Cypriots + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews @ 1.973532
4 Druze + Lebanese + Morocco_Jews + Murcia @ 2.014790
5 Castilla_Y_Leon + Druze + Lebanese + Morocco_Jews @ 2.016623
6 Jordanians + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan @ 2.108225
7 Cypriots + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews + Portuguese @ 2.118605
8 Canarias + Cypriots + Jordanians + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.130189
9 Canarias + Cypriots + Lebanese + Morocco_Jews @ 2.202925
10 Lebanese + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + TSI30 @ 2.207946
11 Druze + Lebanese + Morocco_Jews + Portuguese @ 2.222307
12 Canarias + Cypriots + Morocco_Jews + Palestinian @ 2.229309
13 Druze + Lebanese + Morocco_Jews + Spanish @ 2.245238
14 Canarias + Druze + Lebanese + Morocco_Jews @ 2.257818
15 Canarias + Cypriots + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.275644
16 Cypriots + Morocco_Jews + Palestinian + Portuguese @ 2.288154
17 Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Syrians + TSI30 @ 2.328022
18 Castilla_Y_Leon + Druze + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews @ 2.357368
19 Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Palestinian + TSI30 @ 2.362739
20 Cypriots + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews + Murcia @ 2.390110

Done.

Elapsed time 0.4031 seconds.

Bonacci
11-28-2016, 06:28 PM
The first one (Atzmon 2010 - PPV, discussed by me here) showed us, even if hidden in the supplementary material only, that the main Jewish cluster was extremely close to their "Turks and Cypriots" sample, specially to some of them (Cypriots apparently):

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6Y4ZgFsZdY/TA4R0Nw_7wI/AAAAAAAAAVg/0SU9yw_XYIc/s400/AtzmonSuppA.jpg


"This central or pivotal group of Jews, marked as GRK+TUR and SYR, are the so-called Sephardi, which, in spite of their name (Sepharad means Spain) do not necessarily originate in the Iberian peninsula but rather share historically a pan-Mediterranean type of ritual, distinct from that of Ashkenazim and other Jewish populations (see also this article if you wish to understand better the complexity of Jewish ethnic divisions).

Just a few days later we got Behar 2010 (also PPV, discussed here), which did not deepen enough in the component analysis, in my understanding, but determined at least that Western Jews (Sephardi, Ashkenazi and Moroccan Jews) were of West Asian origin apparently.

However how exactly they related with West Asians was mostly unresolved (excepting that Palestinians have a lot of genetic distinctiveness and this was not shared with modern Jews nor nearly any other population at any meaningful level).

So, as I began toying around with ADMIXTURE, using the very basic but functional instructions by Razib, one of the ideas I had to explore were Western Jews (other Jewish communities seem to be derived from their host populations but Western Jews appeared as West Asian in these studies)."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YPO_mKJN5CE/TwIBmZmFRXI/AAAAAAAAAyg/3yh73GbV1ow/s1600/K4.png


The labels of the components in the last two images (bottom and right respectively) are a mere conceptual reference.

Kebaran (source)
Since K=2 there is an obvious distinction between Palestinians and the rest. This is coincident with what we find in Behar 2010 for example and what I have found in previous analysis: that Palestinians show a marked distinctiveness even in West Asia. My hypothesis is that they retain best a distinctiveness that may be as old as the Kebaran culture or even older. I understand that this means that, very possibly, Palestinians are the true descendants of historical Jews, Canaanites, etc.


Early PPNB (source)
However this analysis was not designed to discern Palestinian affinities but those of Jews, so I won't discuss this farther. Just to say that if the Palestinian pole is akin to Kebaran-Natufian-PPNA, then the other main detected cluster, shared abundantly by everyone in the region, could well be akin to PPNB.

In any case, the result is that, no matter how deep you go, Sephardi Jews are not clearly distinct from other West Asians, specially not from Cypriots and most often than not also not distinct from Turks. The main difference is certain very weak and slippery relation with Palestinian and other Levantines.

Particularly, component K5 (pop4 in the Fst table, blue in the bar graph), which I labeled as Palestine1, stroke as quite interesting. This component is most common among Palestinians (15% at K=6) but second most common among Sephardi Jews (5%), being smaller among all other populations analyzed. It is possible, I speculate, that this component is a remnant of a genetic link between the Palestinian population, long ago of Jewish religion and identity most likely, and the Diaspora Jews, most of whose ancestry seems to have other origins.

It would be, in this regard, most interesting to analyze genuine Palestinian Jews, descendants of those c. 10% Palestinians of Jewish religion who existed before the Zionist colonial project began, sadly even this notion of Palestinian Jewish has vanished or been erased, even if it was once common enough.

Regardless, in almost everything else, Sephardi Jews are identical to Cypriots and Turks, ?? what suggests that my idea of Western Jews having originated not in Palestine but in the Hellenistic Diaspora, which was largely product not of emigration but of proselytism (and in this context early Christianity was just a Jewish sect of messianic character).

It remains to see how Ashkenazi and Moroccan Jews fit in this description. But while I had to renounce to analyze them, all the previous data strongly suggests that they are not too distinct from Sephardi Jews and should share at least partly that same origin, followed by intense bottlenecks.

Edit:
source

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2012/01/spehardi-jews-in-context-of-levant-and.html

It'd be more more interesting if they used Christian Palestinian or Samaritian samples but it's possible that Jews are more Hellenistic East Mediterranean than Levantine-Red Sea like population.

kingjohn
11-28-2016, 06:41 PM
agree mainly west asian in origin
but they have southern european admixture like the aschenazi
they score 15% atlantic in eurogenes k13 a greek jew before and now turkish jew
that piquerobi posted ....
i believe the the 4 oracle dont lie :)
when spanish aragon appear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragon
regards
Adam

Agamemnon
11-28-2016, 07:32 PM
The fits should not be taken literally, I very much doubt Turkish and other Sephardic Jews are 2/3 Samaritan + 1/3 Iberian, that actually contradicts what we know about the Western Jewish cluster.


The first one (Atzmon 2010 - PPV, discussed by me here) showed us, even if hidden in the supplementary material only, that the main Jewish cluster was extremely close to their "Turks and Cypriots" sample, specially to some of them (Cypriots apparently):

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6Y4ZgFsZdY/TA4R0Nw_7wI/AAAAAAAAAVg/0SU9yw_XYIc/s400/AtzmonSuppA.jpg


"This central or pivotal group of Jews, marked as GRK+TUR and SYR, are the so-called Sephardi, which, in spite of their name (Sepharad means Spain) do not necessarily originate in the Iberian peninsula but rather share historically a pan-Mediterranean type of ritual, distinct from that of Ashkenazim and other Jewish populations (see also this article if you wish to understand better the complexity of Jewish ethnic divisions).

Just a few days later we got Behar 2010 (also PPV, discussed here), which did not deepen enough in the component analysis, in my understanding, but determined at least that Western Jews (Sephardi, Ashkenazi and Moroccan Jews) were of West Asian origin apparently.

However how exactly they related with West Asians was mostly unresolved (excepting that Palestinians have a lot of genetic distinctiveness and this was not shared with modern Jews nor nearly any other population at any meaningful level).

So, as I began toying around with ADMIXTURE, using the very basic but functional instructions by Razib, one of the ideas I had to explore were Western Jews (other Jewish communities seem to be derived from their host populations but Western Jews appeared as West Asian in these studies)."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YPO_mKJN5CE/TwIBmZmFRXI/AAAAAAAAAyg/3yh73GbV1ow/s1600/K4.png


The labels of the components in the last two images (bottom and right respectively) are a mere conceptual reference.

Kebaran (source)
Since K=2 there is an obvious distinction between Palestinians and the rest. This is coincident with what we find in Behar 2010 for example and what I have found in previous analysis: that Palestinians show a marked distinctiveness even in West Asia. My hypothesis is that they retain best a distinctiveness that may be as old as the Kebaran culture or even older. I understand that this means that, very possibly, Palestinians are the true descendants of historical Jews, Canaanites, etc.


Early PPNB (source)
However this analysis was not designed to discern Palestinian affinities but those of Jews, so I won't discuss this farther. Just to say that if the Palestinian pole is akin to Kebaran-Natufian-PPNA, then the other main detected cluster, shared abundantly by everyone in the region, could well be akin to PPNB.

In any case, the result is that, no matter how deep you go, Sephardi Jews are not clearly distinct from other West Asians, specially not from Cypriots and most often than not also not distinct from Turks. The main difference is certain very weak and slippery relation with Palestinian and other Levantines.

Particularly, component K5 (pop4 in the Fst table, blue in the bar graph), which I labeled as Palestine1, stroke as quite interesting. This component is most common among Palestinians (15% at K=6) but second most common among Sephardi Jews (5%), being smaller among all other populations analyzed. It is possible, I speculate, that this component is a remnant of a genetic link between the Palestinian population, long ago of Jewish religion and identity most likely, and the Diaspora Jews, most of whose ancestry seems to have other origins.

It would be, in this regard, most interesting to analyze genuine Palestinian Jews, descendants of those c. 10% Palestinians of Jewish religion who existed before the Zionist colonial project began, sadly even this notion of Palestinian Jewish has vanished or been erased, even if it was once common enough.

Regardless, in almost everything else, Sephardi Jews are identical to Cypriots and Turks, ?? what suggests that my idea of Western Jews having originated not in Palestine but in the Hellenistic Diaspora, which was largely product not of emigration but of proselytism (and in this context early Christianity was just a Jewish sect of messianic character).

It remains to see how Ashkenazi and Moroccan Jews fit in this description. But while I had to renounce to analyze them, all the previous data strongly suggests that they are not too distinct from Sephardi Jews and should share at least partly that same origin, followed by intense bottlenecks.

Edit:
source

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2012/01/spehardi-jews-in-context-of-levant-and.html

It'd be more more interesting if they used Christian Palestinian or Samaritian samples but it's possible that Jews are more Hellenistic East Mediterranean than Levantine-Red Sea like population.

Maju's theories make little to no sense, we're talking about a clown who spends his time babbling about "Zionist discourse/entity/hegemony/genocide/etc" whenever this topic comes up, so his claim that Jews are just a bunch of converts from Cyprus, Anatolia or "from other areas" is a politically-motivated one which has nothing to do with the data. Heck this cretin still claims R1b is of "Paleoeuropean" (understand "Paleolithic Basque") origin despite all the evidence, the guy is a sore loser.

dnamania
11-29-2016, 06:21 AM
What about K23b results?

Piquerobi
11-29-2016, 10:44 AM
What about K23b results?

K23b:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.07
2 European_Early_Farmers 21.95
3 Near_East 16.02
4 North_African 11.13
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.39
6 South_Central_Asian 4.89
7 South_East_Asian 1.65
8 East_African 0.9
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.86
10 African_Pygmy 0.36
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.32
12 Arctic 0.26
13 South_Indian 0.14
14 Amerindian 0.05
15 Archaic_Human 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 3.2
2 Libyan_Jew ( ) 5.15
3 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 5.69
4 Turk_Jew ( ) 5.96
5 Maltese ( ) 6.68
6 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 7.2
7 Italian_Jew ( ) 7.22
8 Tunisian_Jew ( ) 7.25
9 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.55
10 French_Jew ( ) 7.94
11 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 8.21
12 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 8.24
13 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 9.53
14 Sicilian_East ( ) 9.72
15 Ashkenazi ( ) 11.66
16 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 12.67
17 Greek_Northwest ( ) 13.15
18 Syrian_Jew ( ) 13.19
19 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 13.46
20 Romanian_Jew ( ) 13.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.2% Aonaga ( ) @ 2.34
2 97.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.2% Nysha ( ) @ 2.35
3 97.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.2% Naga ( ) @ 2.35
4 97.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.3% Tibetian_TTR ( ) @ 2.37
5 97.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.3% Tibetian_Madou ( ) @ 2.37
6 97.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.3% Yi ( ) @ 2.37
7 97.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.3% Naxi ( ) @ 2.37
8 60% Lebanese_Christian ( ) + 40% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 2.38
9 97.6% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.4% Tu ( ) @ 2.41
10 97.5% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.5% BedouinB ( ) @ 2.43
11 97.6% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.4% Han_North ( ) @ 2.43
12 97.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.3% Tujia ( ) @ 2.47
13 97.6% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.4% Paluang ( ) @ 2.48
14 97.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.3% Jinuo ( ) @ 2.48
15 97.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.2% Miao ( ) @ 2.48
16 97.9% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.1% Lahu ( ) @ 2.49
17 97.6% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.4% Han-Mandarin ( ) @ 2.5
18 97.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.2% She ( ) @ 2.51
19 97.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.2% Han ( ) @ 2.51
20 97.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 2.3% Wa ( ) @ 2.51

eolien
12-04-2016, 10:29 PM
When they were expelled from Spain many of the Sephardic Jews fled to the then Ottoman Empire, settling mainly in places like Salonika (now Greece) and Izmir (now Turkey), where they comprised a substantial % of the population. The mostly Samaritan results show they carry Ancient Israelite ancestry IMO and the Iberian component the admixture they got after living in the Iberian peninsula for over a thousand perhaps over 2 thousand years. Still, they turn out mostly Samaritan (a proxy for Ancient Israelite). The 500 years old period of settlement in Greece and Turkey does not seem to show up.



I am also Sefardi from Istanbul but in the sefardi samples of me, my parents and the ones i could find in gedmatch, i never get an oracle with Samaritans. I also don't agree with the interpretation of Sefardic Jewry. In fact, the Sefarads in the Balkans are a mixture of Iberian jews, Italian jews, local Romaniote jews and Ashkenazim from Hungary etc. This is clearly visible in the surnames and names of synagogues. The iberian jews are also a mixture of local jews and ones coming from Magreb with the Arabs. How is your gedmatch matches?

Piquerobi
12-04-2016, 10:35 PM
How is your gedmatch matches?

Those are not my results. I was looking at the results of a Brazilian or of some Latin American when I stumbled upon that kit.

curiousDNAguy12
04-27-2019, 07:40 PM
Not to rehash this this thread from 2016, but I found it when looking up Sephardic results. My Eurogenes k13 results are very similar to the ones posted here..

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mildlycurly
06-10-2019, 01:09 PM
This is the K13 of a Sephardic Jew I match with. I don't know her exact ancestry (her surname is Ashkenazi but the results show otherwise, indicating it is her married name):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.6
2 West_Med 18.93
3 North_Atlantic 16.44
4 West_Asian 9.81
5 Red_Sea 9.77
6 Sub-Saharan 6.22
7 Amerindian 5.24
8 Baltic 1.75
9 South_Asian 0.75
10 Siberian 0.73
11 East_Asian 0.71
12 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 11.29
2 Algerian_Jewish 11.73
3 South_Italian 11.9
4 East_Sicilian 12.22
5 West_Sicilian 12.26
6 Italian_Jewish 12.59
7 Ashkenazi 12.76
8 Tunisian_Jewish 13.42
9 Libyan_Jewish 13.65
10 Central_Greek 13.82
11 Italian_Abruzzo 13.92
12 Tuscan 17.09
13 Tunisian 17.18
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.33
15 Algerian 17.89
16 Cyprian 18.69
17 Mozabite_Berber 19.24
18 Syrian 19.91
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.35
20 Moroccan 20.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.8% Yoruban @ 8.07
2 92.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.2% Mandenka @ 8.07
3 92.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 8.15
4 92.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.3% Mayan @ 8.16
5 92.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 8.17
6 92.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 8.3
7 93.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.9% Pima @ 8.32
8 92.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.8% North_Amerindian @ 8.36
9 92% Sephardic_Jewish + 8% Bantu_N.E. @ 8.39
10 92.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.9% Luhya @ 8.4
11 93.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.2% Karitiana @ 8.42
12 57.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.4% Tunisian @ 8.57
13 65.7% South_Italian + 34.3% Algerian @ 8.64
14 64.6% South_Italian + 35.4% Tunisian @ 8.68
15 92.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.8% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 8.69
16 68% South_Italian + 32% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.73
17 92.7% Algerian_Jewish + 7.3% Mayan @ 8.81
18 92% Algerian_Jewish + 8% North_Amerindian @ 8.83
19 93.1% Algerian_Jewish + 6.9% Pima @ 8.88
20 92.4% Italian_Jewish + 7.6% Yoruban @ 8.91

hartaisarlag
06-10-2019, 04:45 PM
This is the K13 of a Sephardic Jew I match with. I don't know her exact ancestry (her surname is Ashkenazi but the results show otherwise, indicating it is her married name):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.6
2 West_Med 18.93
3 North_Atlantic 16.44
4 West_Asian 9.81
5 Red_Sea 9.77
6 Sub-Saharan 6.22
7 Amerindian 5.24
8 Baltic 1.75
9 South_Asian 0.75
10 Siberian 0.73
11 East_Asian 0.71
12 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 11.29
2 Algerian_Jewish 11.73
3 South_Italian 11.9
4 East_Sicilian 12.22
5 West_Sicilian 12.26
6 Italian_Jewish 12.59
7 Ashkenazi 12.76
8 Tunisian_Jewish 13.42
9 Libyan_Jewish 13.65
10 Central_Greek 13.82
11 Italian_Abruzzo 13.92
12 Tuscan 17.09
13 Tunisian 17.18
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.33
15 Algerian 17.89
16 Cyprian 18.69
17 Mozabite_Berber 19.24
18 Syrian 19.91
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.35
20 Moroccan 20.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.8% Yoruban @ 8.07
2 92.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.2% Mandenka @ 8.07
3 92.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 8.15
4 92.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.3% Mayan @ 8.16
5 92.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 8.17
6 92.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 8.3
7 93.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.9% Pima @ 8.32
8 92.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.8% North_Amerindian @ 8.36
9 92% Sephardic_Jewish + 8% Bantu_N.E. @ 8.39
10 92.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.9% Luhya @ 8.4
11 93.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 6.2% Karitiana @ 8.42
12 57.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.4% Tunisian @ 8.57
13 65.7% South_Italian + 34.3% Algerian @ 8.64
14 64.6% South_Italian + 35.4% Tunisian @ 8.68
15 92.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 7.8% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 8.69
16 68% South_Italian + 32% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.73
17 92.7% Algerian_Jewish + 7.3% Mayan @ 8.81
18 92% Algerian_Jewish + 8% North_Amerindian @ 8.83
19 93.1% Algerian_Jewish + 6.9% Pima @ 8.88
20 92.4% Italian_Jewish + 7.6% Yoruban @ 8.91

She has a classic New World combination of African and Amerindian ancestry, hence the high distances from Sephardic populations (still by far her best match). This reminds me of what you see when you input a Cuban who's 80-90% Spanish, and 10-20% non-European—except in that case, various Iberian regional populations appear first, at distances of >10.

eolien
06-12-2019, 02:16 PM
How do you know she is a Sephardic Jew, the African part is real and unusual.

Seabass
06-12-2019, 02:37 PM
This is the K13 of a Sephardic Jew I match with. I don't know her exact ancestry (her surname is Ashkenazi but the results show otherwise, indicating it is her married name):


This is a peculiar result. The surname 'Ashkenazi' can belong to Sephardic Jews, particularly some from Turkey, or 'Eskinazi' for some Syrian Jews. IMO the Baltic score is very low (typical of a Eastern Sephardic Jew) which I think would rule out for sure 50% Ashkenazi origin. It's hard to picture a community of Central or South American Sephardic Jews with traces of Sub-Saharan African and American Indian admixture yet no big hint of Iberian admixture. I'm sure its possible.

mershechu
06-12-2019, 05:08 PM
Hello !
I'm sorry if I'm being off-topic but does someone have the Gedmatch kit numbers of these two reference samples ? Thanks
- Sephardi_Jew:SephardiJewTur4950
- Sephardi_Jew:SephardiJewTur4953