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The_Lyonnist
11-30-2016, 05:19 PM
The Suevi have populated western Germany from the north. Z138 originally concentrated in West Germany. So we can logically think that Z138 comes from the Suevi.

spruithean
11-30-2016, 10:56 PM
Eh, probably more along the lines of some Suevi were I-Z138 among other haplogroups.

JohnHowellsTyrfro
12-01-2016, 07:43 AM
As I understand it the Suevi were a collection of related Germanic tribes which some say had origins in Southern Scandinavia.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi1ntSLvtLQAhUBAcAKHQBqCekQFgg2MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.historyfiles.co.uk%2FKingList sEurope%2FBarbarianSuevi.htm&usg=AFQjCNFfF1dkeT06kJr5ws6g4dJNDZqE8A&sig2=KHJrHkEMu2tUT0LcJKW2VQ
In relation to my own Z326 which is the most-widely dispersed of the U106 clades ( I have a match in Northern Italy), other "relatives" made it here to the UK. :)
I have wondered about a possible link of Z326 to the Longobards (Lombards) but it was probably in other tribal groups as well I would think. John

The_Lyonnist
12-01-2016, 12:55 PM
So what's your theory about Z138?

JohnHowellsTyrfro
12-01-2016, 01:36 PM
So what's your theory about Z138?

I'm no expert on this and my knowledge of history is limited, but looking at the distribution map in the link below it seems to appears in Italy

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi8xoL5itPQAhVlDsAKHR2pDiEQFgghMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goggo.com%2Fterry%2FHaplogrou pI1%2F&usg=AFQjCNFaoa8WtRtgTgCnMFVT8-XMV-OCbA&sig2=blaCCC4pEIZXwOEK5Hjb0Q

Could it suggest a link to the Lombards maybe ( who I think were a branch of the Suevi)? John

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiF_bCGjtPQAhWHLsAKHYqTDpcQFggrMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancient.eu%2FLombards%2F&usg=AFQjCNEaV1tOmmBZ51JF0v_5hBR2mrc1FQ&sig2=mh5KN57OYMycFqndAeKs0g

The_Lyonnist
12-01-2016, 03:56 PM
I'm no expert on this and my knowledge of history is limited, but looking at the distribution map in the link below it seems to appears in Italy

Z138 is no longer sure not born in italy. He was a member of the Western Germans.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/I1-Z138Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=ymap

A Norfolk L-M20
12-01-2016, 04:22 PM
There's a small market town in Norfolk near to me, called Swaffham. Said to take its name from the Suevi.

spruithean
12-01-2016, 05:34 PM
Z138 is no longer sure not born in italy. He was a member of the Western Germans.


I don't think he was implying that I-Z138 originated in Italy, I think he was alluding to it potentially being tied to Lombards (note their presence in Italy). I wouldn't doubt that a large number of Western Germanic tribes had male members who were I-Z138+ (as well as I-Z140+ and various R clades too).

JohnHowellsTyrfro
12-01-2016, 05:39 PM
I don't think he was implying that I-Z138 originated in Italy, I think he was alluding to it potentially being tied to Lombards (note their presence in Italy). I wouldn't doubt that a large number of Western Germanic tribes had male members who were I-Z138+ (as well as I-Z140+ and various R clades too).

Yes that's correct, possibly carried from Germany to Italy by an historic migration event. Thanks. John

The_Lyonnist
12-01-2016, 06:08 PM
I don't think he was implying that I-Z138 originated in Italy, I think he was alluding to it potentially being tied to Lombards (note their presence in Italy). I wouldn't doubt that a large number of Western Germanic tribes had male members who were I-Z138+ (as well as I-Z140+ and various R clades too).

The Lombards were part of the Suevi.

JohnHowellsTyrfro
12-01-2016, 08:47 PM
I think the way I look at it and I would really like to know the origins of my Y dna, is that it may well have been present in the Suevi/Lombards but it may also have been present in other tribal groups.
As I understand it these groups often merged or at least had shared alliances, some went in one direction like West towards Britain, others headed South maybe down into Italy or Spain or elsewhere. John

spruithean
12-02-2016, 09:08 PM
I think the way I look at it and I would really like to know the origins of my Y dna, is that it may well have been present in the Suevi/Lombards but it may also have been present in other tribal groups.
As I understand it these groups often merged or at least had shared alliances, some went in one direction like West towards Britain, others headed South maybe down into Italy or Spain or elsewhere. John

I agree, I would think there would have been many occasions in which members of tribes would have gone their separate ways be it political or just something that was advantageous to some members and not others.