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Grossvater
05-17-2013, 03:46 PM
Got word that 23andMe is testing my sample as I write. I should have the results shortly which I shall share here.

My paternal line paper trail goes back only to 1816 to a small village outside Sondershausen in Thuringia in Germany. My maternal line paper trail goes back to a woman named Sophia born in 1717 who married a man from Aug, Bad Toelz-Wolfratshausen in Bavaria right next to the Austrian border. I think Sophia may have been from there too but I have no proof.

Before my Y-DNA and mtDNA results arrive, what is your best guess on what they'll be? Anyone with a knowledge of German haplogroup distribution care to give me an educated guess, considering the locations of my paternal and maternal ancestors?

CelticGerman
05-17-2013, 04:05 PM
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Look at Y DNA and Mt DNA by country. This may give you an idea.

Solothurn
05-17-2013, 06:02 PM
Hi

Please consider sending your Y-data to Adriano Squecco who will search through it!
(*PLEASE NOTE*, Your Y-Chromosome data contains no information about medical conditions or health traits)

Instructions here
http://daver.info/ysub/



Got word that 23andMe is testing my sample as I write. I should have the results shortly which I shall share here.


S.

Grossvater
05-18-2013, 04:37 AM
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Look at Y DNA and Mt DNA by country. This may give you an idea.

Fascinating stuff! I am assuming since Sondershausen was in the old communist East Germany, that is where I should look in Eupedia. The listing implies that I have the greatest chance of being some subclade of R1b which seems to be associated somewhat with the ancient Celts. My wife's father is R1b. My poor, poor inbred children! The next on the list is R1a which would make me perhaps descended from a Scythian or a proto-Slav? After that comes I1 which would make me descended from some of the earliest humans in Germany followed by E1b1b which would give me roots in the Balkans or North Africa or the Middle East. Am I interpreting this correctly?

Thank you CelticGerman for the link. I shall know very soon if I am like you, a Celtic German. The suspense is killing me!

Grossvater
05-28-2013, 04:37 PM
My 23andMe results are finally dribbling in and it turns out my Y-haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a2d. My mitochondrial haplogroup is K1a. Can anyone steer me toward any websites that can clarify the meaning of these results in a more concise way? Is there a shorthand way of referring to my Y haplogroup?

lgmayka
05-28-2013, 10:03 PM
My 23andMe results are finally dribbling in and it turns out my Y-haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a2d.
According to 23andMe's Haplogroup Tree Mutation Mapper (https://www.23andme.com/you/labs/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/), your terminal SNP (on their chip) is S28. ISOGG's haplotree (http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html) tells us that S28 is better known as U152.

Scarlet Ibis
05-28-2013, 10:38 PM
Welcome to the family :biggrin1:

Grossvater
05-29-2013, 04:14 AM
I've been surfing the net reading up on U152...looks like I really am a Celtic German. Now, I have to figure out if my K1a mito is Neolithic or Ashkenazi. One revelation seems to always lead to the need for more testing somewhere else!

Solothurn
05-29-2013, 03:26 PM
Geno 2.0 perhaps? :)

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=2001246&gsk&code=MR20936

You may well be Z36 or even U152*

One thing is for sure the U152* that 23andMe give is not absolute

Z36, Z56, Z192, and now also PF4363 F1493 CTS7193.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-U152_Descendency_Tree.jpg

$199 for Geno puts people off though :(

Useful links

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx?section=results

http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?120-R1b-U152





One revelation seems to always lead to the need for more testing somewhere else!

Grossvater
06-04-2013, 09:37 PM
Hi

Please consider sending your Y-data to Adriano Squecco who will search through it!
(*PLEASE NOTE*, Your Y-Chromosome data contains no information about medical conditions or health traits)

Instructions here
http://daver.info/ysub/




S.

Thanks for the suggestion, Solothurn. If I was to do this, what can I expect to get back from him?

Incidentally, I received my 23andMe ancestry results today. Here's the breakdown:

92.5% Northern European
5.1% Eastern European
1.6% Southern European
0.8% Nonspecific European

Since my paternal grandmother's people came from near Dresden in Saxony, could the 5.1% Eastern European be an indication of descent from the ancient Slavic population of the area before it was Germanized in the Middle Ages? Are Sorbs still a distinct population genetically from their German neighbors?

Scarlet Ibis
06-04-2013, 10:29 PM
What do your ancestry finder results look like?

Grossvater
06-05-2013, 03:26 AM
What do your ancestry finder results look like?

I'm still trying to figure all of this out...how do I access these "ancestry finder" results?

AJL
06-05-2013, 04:25 PM
My Results > Ancestry Tools > Countries of Ancestry

(This used to be called "Ancestry Finder," and still is on the actual page, just not in the menu.)

If I may digress -- this utility is particularly interesting to me not so much for the countries where I knew I had ancestors or other relatives, but rather more for matches in places obviously underrepresented in the database where I don't have any known recent ancestry (e.g. matches with all 4 grandparents from Cape Verde, Denmark, Iran, Mexico, Morocco, Peru, Uzbekistan).

Grossvater
12-08-2013, 01:39 AM
I heard that 23andMe upgraded or tweaked somehow everyone's ancestry so I looked for myself and it appears mine has been tweaked as well. There are some interesting changes that have me scratching my head. All from the speculative version:

I used to have a chunk of Southern European of DNA that is no longer there. Alas, I thought that explained my father's rather Italianate love of good cooking and fine wines. My Eastern European DNA has gone down to 4%. My British Isles component is 40.2%, French & German 19.5%, Scandinavian 5.6%. But what does 26.2% non-specific Northern European mean? What does 4.5% non-specific plain old European mean?

Grossvater
02-08-2016, 02:55 AM
OK, then...time to confess...I finally figured out what everybody was talking about when they kept referring to Gedmatch. (I'm a little slow on the uptake). I was a history major...cut me some slack! I got my data uploaded and so now I'm wondering if someone in the know can help me figure out what some of this means: On the MDLP K13 Ultimate Admixture Proportions sections I got this:

Amerindian 1.16 (Is this real Native American? Why didn't it show up on 23andMe?)
ANE 21.50 (Is this Ancestral North Eurasian...the population that Malta boy came from?)
ASI 1.11 (Is this Ancestral South Indian? For somebody as boringly Northern European as me, where in the world did that come from?
Caucas-Gedrosia 7.40 (This has me puzzled, too)
ENF 40.94 (Is this Eastern Neolithic Farmer?)
Paleo-African 0.22 (Huh?)
WHG-UHG 27.68 (I'm guessing this is Western Hunter Gatherer but I don't know what UHG means.)

Grossvater
02-08-2016, 03:06 AM
The Eurogenes 13 Admixture Proportions came out this way...

North_Atlantic 49.22
Baltic 23.59 (What specific population does this refer to?)
West_Med 11.74 (ditto)
West_Asian 7.67 (again, ditto)
East_Med 3.70 (ditto, again)
South_Asian 2.13 (Is this India? How in the world?)
East_Asian 0.63 (Is this actually Native American?)
Amerindian 0.85
Northeast_African 0.47 (Again...huh?)