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12-18-2016, 09:35 PM
Summary: The kit custodian and I, together, can only contribute $250 toward the $425 necessary for the Big Y test in this case important to understanding R1a-M458. We need another $175.

Kit 205198 is from the Ural region of the Russian Federation. He has tested
M458+, CTS11962-, L260-

The R1a Project classifies him as
4. ..>Z282>PF6155>M458>PF7521*-A (Big Y needed)

based on haplotype similarity to kit 306772 of Poland, whose R1a-Backbone SNP Pack yielded a result of:
M458+, PF7521+, CTS11962-, L260-

Since #306772 was not tested for PF6188, it is possible that he, and then perhaps also #205198, belong to the elusive R1a-PF6188 clade found in Sardinia (https://yfull.com/tree/R-PF6188/).

We would very much like to use this case to help us understand the genesis and early survival/growth of R1a-M458. Together, the kit custodian and I can muster $250 towards the Big Y for #205198, so we need another $175. We would very much appreciate any financial help others could give--hopefully by the end of the month, since FTDNA does not guarantee discount/coupon pricing beyond that date. Contributions can be made through the R1a Project donation page (https://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx?g=R1a_and_subclades). Be sure to mention the purpose of the contribution in the Note box.

12-18-2016, 09:45 PM
By the way, FTDNA and YFull disagree on the placement of Y2604 in the R1a-M458 haplotree (https://yfull.com/tree/R-M458/). The Big Y for #205198 might resolve this. But YFull gives that SNP only 1 star anyway.

12-30-2016, 09:58 PM
The Big Y for #205198 was batched and sent to the lab on December 28. Thanks to all who contributed! Now we await the results.

01-01-2017, 06:42 PM
I am anxious for the results. I hope it contributes to the origin and migration of of M458.

07-12-2017, 12:22 AM
And what the resutls are? :pop2:

07-12-2017, 03:10 PM
And what the resutls are? :pop2:
He is R-Y2604* (YF08907) on YFull's haplotree (https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y2604/). Of course, we need one more example from his cluster to define the clade properly. His cluster seems to include both Polish and Russian patrilineages.

07-12-2017, 04:04 PM
So not mine :pout: