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AsiaSouthKurd
12-25-2016, 03:34 PM
Hello everyone,

First time posting, so thank you for having me and my apologies in advance for my lay knowledge on the subject. I came across your very detailed and fascinating posts on Kurdish history and genetics during the course of some research that I am doing into my family tree. My family carries the name Kurd, although we are not sure where in Kurdistan our ancestors originate from - I was wondering if I might be able to pick your brains a little?

We have been told (through family history) that my great grandfather (paternal) was Kurdish, and served as a minister of engineering/construction to the Maharaja Hari Singh in Jammu. He was known as 'Babu Hakim Din (Kurd)'. He had a pretty decent post and was apparently gifted a palace from the Maharaja to live in (not sure how this would manifest but that is what we were told). He died in Jammu, in the same house he was given, and his children (my grandparents) moved to Karachi and Sialkot, present day Pakistan. My father and I have been trying to trace through a little basic DNA testing where he may have been from, and also through researching historical materials online - the latter has been obviously limited by the natural lack of digitised resources documenting e.g. full civil lists of the Maharaja Hari Singh (and even then, it would only confirm his position and not his heritage). The few tracings of Kurds in Jammu I have managed to find *online* are much further back (i.e. "Ali Mardan Khan" et al), and that there is a village called Kurd in Jammu.

The DNA testing so far has been pretty disappointing, mainly owing to the fact that the tests we did do not have as much data on that part of the world. We expect that my father's test will obviously be more telling than mine (I am female, for starters, and further down the chain). We used AncestryDNA to begin with - my results are back, but we are still awaiting his. Mine stated I am 93% Asia South (with no further breakdown provided), and 4% (trace amount, possibly meaningless) Asia Central. Most tests do not seem specific enough for those from 'Asia South' as they perhaps are for Europeans (having now seen the types of records searched), and do not provide any real useful breakdown. At the very least, the AncestryDNA test ruled out, or massively reduced, the likelihood of (1) recent migration from Kurdish areas; (2) migration from Kurdish Iraq or Kurdish Turkey; and (3) suggested that if any element of 'Kurdishness' was still in me, it is most likely Iranian, or now merely too distant to know.

I am now considering whether it would be worth trying the DNATribes.com test - mainly just my father actually (no real need for me to do it for this research) - but after seeing some of your posts I was wondering if you might have any opinions on the best test to do or the best way to research the genealogy on this. I'd be grateful for your thoughts on the matter!

Thank you for your time!

MonkeyDLuffy
12-25-2016, 05:22 PM
Hi, I would suggest your father to take test from 23&me to know his Ydna halogroup, since it is directly passed from male ancestor to his male descendants. Once we know which halogroup he belongs to, it would clear a lot. Second the DNA companies dont provide detailed composition for South Asians, so best bet is to run your Data on Gedmatch calculators. I'm not sure if AncestryDNA file can be uploaded on Gedmatch.com. Others might be able to help with that. But if you had a Kurdish ancestor, it'd be possible to see it through detailed results from Gedmatch calculators and your Ydna.

khanabadoshi
12-25-2016, 05:58 PM
We most certainly should run you on some calculators and compare you to the many Kurdish, Iranian, and South Asian members on the forum as MonkeyDLuffy suggests.

User Kurd (http://www.anthrogenica.com/member.php?2086-Kurd) has some knowledge on Kurd population movements in South Asia and User MfA (http://www.anthrogenica.com/member.php?832-MfA) has knowledge regarding y-DNA haplogroups of Kurds.
If you are having issues converting AncestryDNA to use on Gedmatch, let me know and I can convert it for you. We'll run you on a few Do-it-Yourself Calculators while we are at it.
There is also a Kurd tribe of the Brahui ethnic group in Balochistan -- which may or may not have Kurdish origin. There is possibility your family name is from this tribe.

I would NOT recommend doing DNAtribes testing. It won't give you any new information. For the most part, with your AncestryDNA raw data, we can run many more tests and compare you to other users on here.
When you get your Father's y-HG result, it might be deep/detailed enough to draw some conclusions. If not, and you want to delve deeper, then probably the best option for y-DNA testing will be FTDNA. You can visit that option when/if you get to it.

TJRocks760
12-25-2016, 07:37 PM
Hi, I would suggest your father to take test from 23&me to know his Ydna halogroup, since it is directly passed from male ancestor to his male descendants. Once we know which halogroup he belongs to, it would clear a lot. Second the DNA companies dont provide detailed composition for South Asians, so best bet is to run your Data on Gedmatch calculators. I'm not sure if AncestryDNA file can be uploaded on Gedmatch.com. Others might be able to help with that. But if you had a Kurdish ancestor, it'd be possible to see it through detailed results from Gedmatch calculators and your Ydna.

AncestryDNA came back with very continental based results. I ran my DNA test last August so basically the newest version of Ancestry and uploaded my data on GEDmatch.com and have been using their calculators just fine.

Khana, has also been helping me convert the data to run on DIY calcs. And usually it's quite accurate to my GEDmatch results.

I'd say both are good options for her.

MonkeyDLuffy
12-25-2016, 07:49 PM
AncestryDNA came back with very continental based results. I ran my DNA test last August so basically the newest version of Ancestry and uploaded my data on GEDmatch.com and have been using their calculators just fine.

Khana, has also been helping me convert the data to run on DIY calcs. And usually it's quite accurate to my GEDmatch results.

I'd say both are good options for her.

DIY calculators are same as what's uploaded on GEDmatch. While DNA testing companies gives us a basic ancestry composition, the DIY/GEDmatch calculators go into way more detail, giving you an option for oracle of closest matching ethnicities or communities.

AsiaSouthKurd
12-25-2016, 09:42 PM
Thank you all so much - I'm definitely on a more informative/intriguing track now!

I have just been exploring GEDmatch.com - which happily managed to process the raw data from my AncestryDNA file. I ran a number of different "admixture analysis' tools (not understanding what all of the variables meant, but roughly), including but not limited to 'Kurd', 'Iran', 'Indian', 'Brahui', and I got very consistently approx. 34% Indian, 42% Caucasus-Parsia, sometimes Central Asia, (and always around 7-10% North-East Europe, and slithers of other things e.g. "Middle East"). I had no idea such calculators existed, and this somewhat of a break through in my understanding, so a sincere thanks for that.

Once my father's results come through, I will do the same with his results but would love it (and be very grateful) if you could indeed run him/me through some of the targeted calculators you mentioned, khanabadoshi (if I haven't already effectively done that, of course!)?

Thank you again!

Kurd
12-25-2016, 10:29 PM
Hello everyone,

First time posting, so thank you for having me and my apologies in advance for my lay knowledge on the subject. I came across your very detailed and fascinating posts on Kurdish history and genetics during the course of some research that I am doing into my family tree. My family carries the name Kurd, although we are not sure where in Kurdistan our ancestors originate from - I was wondering if I might be able to pick your brains a little?

We have been told (through family history) that my great grandfather (paternal) was Kurdish, and served as a minister of engineering/construction to the Maharaja Hari Singh in Jammu. He was known as 'Babu Hakim Din (Kurd)'. He had a pretty decent post and was apparently gifted a palace from the Maharaja to live in (not sure how this would manifest but that is what we were told). He died in Jammu, in the same house he was given, and his children (my grandparents) moved to Karachi and Sialkot, present day Pakistan. My father and I have been trying to trace through a little basic DNA testing where he may have been from, and also through researching historical materials online - the latter has been obviously limited by the natural lack of digitised resources documenting e.g. full civil lists of the Maharaja Hari Singh (and even then, it would only confirm his position and not his heritage). The few tracings of Kurds in Jammu I have managed to find *online* are much further back (i.e. "Ali Mardan Khan" et al), and that there is a village called Kurd in Jammu.

The DNA testing so far has been pretty disappointing, mainly owing to the fact that the tests we did do not have as much data on that part of the world. We expect that my father's test will obviously be more telling than mine (I am female, for starters, and further down the chain). We used AncestryDNA to begin with - my results are back, but we are still awaiting his. Mine stated I am 93% Asia South (with no further breakdown provided), and 4% (trace amount, possibly meaningless) Asia Central. Most tests do not seem specific enough for those from 'Asia South' as they perhaps are for Europeans (having now seen the types of records searched), and do not provide any real useful breakdown. At the very least, the AncestryDNA test ruled out, or massively reduced, the likelihood of (1) recent migration from Kurdish areas; (2) migration from Kurdish Iraq or Kurdish Turkey; and (3) suggested that if any element of 'Kurdishness' was still in me, it is most likely Iranian, or now merely too distant to know.

I am now considering whether it would be worth trying the DNATribes.com test - mainly just my father actually (no real need for me to do it for this research) - but after seeing some of your posts I was wondering if you might have any opinions on the best test to do or the best way to research the genealogy on this. I'd be grateful for your thoughts on the matter!

Thank you for your time!

23andMe and other commercial companies are only informative for geneological time frames due to their testing methodologies .

If you're Kurdish ancestry is more than a couple of hundred years old it will not show with those testing services . We would likely get an indication however using more formal methods such as dstats.

If you are interested in finding out about your possible Kurdish ancestry, you can send me your raw data and I will incorporate you into my project.

I can run formal comparison tests against some of my Kurdish project members to see whether you share more genetic drift with Kurds compared to other S Asians from your geographical area. This would likely confirm or dispel your suspicions about your Kurdish ancestry

MonkeyDLuffy
12-25-2016, 11:03 PM
Thank you all so much - I'm definitely on a more informative/intriguing track now!

I have just been exploring GEDmatch.com - which happily managed to process the raw data from my AncestryDNA file. I ran a number of different "admixture analysis' tools (not understanding what all of the variables meant, but roughly), including but not limited to 'Kurd', 'Iran', 'Indian', 'Brahui', and I got very consistently approx. 34% Indian, 42% Caucasus-Parsia, sometimes Central Asia, (and always around 7-10% North-East Europe, and slithers of other things e.g. "Middle East"). I had no idea such calculators existed, and this somewhat of a break through in my understanding, so a sincere thanks for that.

Once my father's results come through, I will do the same with his results but would love it (and be very grateful) if you could indeed run him/me through some of the targeted calculators you mentioned, khanabadoshi (if I haven't already effectively done that, of course!)?

Thank you again!

If possible can you post your Harrapa results? It'd be nice to fellow south Asian's results.

Also seems like kurd posted in the thread, well can answer the best.

khanabadoshi
12-25-2016, 11:29 PM
^^ Also post some oracles if you can, by clicking the "Oracle-4" button at the bottom of the screen where the percentages show.

khanabadoshi
12-25-2016, 11:49 PM
AncestryDNA came back with very continental based results. I ran my DNA test last August so basically the newest version of Ancestry and uploaded my data on GEDmatch.com and have been using their calculators just fine.

Khana, has also been helping me convert the data to run on DIY calcs. And usually it's quite accurate to my GEDmatch results.

I'd say both are good options for her.

Haven't seen ya for a while! I didn't get a chance to run you on the new MDLP calculators. If AsiaSouthKurd sends over her data, I'll run you both and plot you guys on the PCA in one go over the next few hours.

khanabadoshi
12-26-2016, 01:11 AM
AsiaSouthKurd's K9 ASI

Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer
52.00


2
Ancestral_South_Indian
13.78


3
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer
9.32


4
SW_Asian
8.18


5
SE_Asian
6.90


6
WHG
4.81


7
Early_Neolithic_Farmers
3.58


8
Siberian_E_Asian
1.42




Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pathan @ 5.621701
2 Punjabi @ 7.011293
3 Burusho @ 8.727040
4 Pashtun_Afghan @ 8.866183
5 Kalash @ 12.079715
6 Balochi @ 12.129638
7 Kurd_SE @ 12.791553
8 Brahui @ 13.543110
9 Makrani @ 13.950131
10 Tajik_Pomiri @ 17.919603
11 Tajik_Afghan @ 17.929157
12 Uzbek_Afghan @ 19.479349
13 Bengali @ 21.367674
14 KOTIAS @ 23.241854
15 Lezgin @ 24.995493
16 Azeri_Dagestan @ 25.420002
17 Iranian @ 26.299704
18 Chechen @ 27.293915
19 Hazara_Afghan @ 27.368279
20 Kurd_C @ 27.924265

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pashtun_Afghan +50% Punjabi @ 5.313494


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +25% Bengali +25% Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.161762


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balochi + Balochi + Bengali + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.161762
2 Balochi + Bengali + Brahui + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.414996
3 Balochi + Bengali + Makrani + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.426120
4 Bengali + Brahui + Makrani + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.595376
5 Bengali + Makrani + Punjabi + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.639003
6 Bengali + Makrani + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.713221
7 Bengali + Makrani + Pashtun_Afghan + Pathan @ 3.739466
8 Bengali + Brahui + Brahui + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.785478
9 Bengali + Makrani + Makrani + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.857338
10 Balochi + Bengali + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.905208
11 Balochi + Bengali + Pashtun_Afghan + Pathan @ 3.910825
12 Bengali + Kalash + Makrani + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.957772
13 Balochi + Bengali + Punjabi + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.962369
14 Balochi + Bengali + Pashtun_Afghan + Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.963450
15 Bengali + Makrani + Pashtun_Afghan + Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.965515
16 Bengali + Brahui + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.987035
17 Bengali + Brahui + Lezgin + Punjabi @ 3.998457
18 Bengali + Kalash + Makrani + Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.030473
19 Balochi + Bengali + Lezgin + Punjabi @ 4.059988
20 Bengali + Brahui + Pashtun_Afghan + Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.067224

Done.

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AsiaSouthKurd's HarrapaDNA


Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
Baloch
38.68


2
S-Indian
31.50


3
Caucasian
15.17


4
NE-Euro
8.75


5
SW-Asian
2.51


6
American
2.14




Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi-khatri @ 3.959325
2 kashmiri @ 4.118279
3 kashmiri-pandit @ 4.272174
4 punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 4.824651
5 punjabi @ 5.269243
6 pushtikar-brahmin @ 5.783727
7 sindhi @ 6.044938
8 gujarati-muslim @ 6.138458
9 punjabi-brahmin @ 6.350288
10 singapore-indian-c @ 7.232269
11 kashmiri-pahari @ 7.387046
12 punjabi-jatt-sikh @ 7.774332
13 up-muslim @ 8.097479
14 punjabi-arain @ 8.174230
15 punjabi-ramgarhia @ 8.507181
16 rajasthani-brahmin @ 9.322915
17 pathan @ 9.425864
18 sindhi @ 10.328671
19 bhatia @ 10.571527
20 nepali @ 10.918595

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% gujarati-muslim +50% punjabi-khatri @ 3.052981


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% kerala-nair +25% sindhi +25% urkarah @ 2.184265


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + lezgin + punjabi-arain @ 2.049031
2 gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + lezgin + punjabi-arain @ 2.058732
3 gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + lezgin + sindhi @ 2.078655
4 gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + lezgin + sindhi @ 2.084464
5 bhatia + gujarati-a + kerala-nair + lezgin @ 2.106014
6 bhatia + gujarati-a + kerala-nair + lezgin @ 2.137480
7 gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + sindhi + urkarah @ 2.167217
8 kerala-nair + kerala-nair + sindhi + urkarah @ 2.184265
9 ap-brahmin + brahui + urkarah + vysya @ 2.224369
10 bhatia + gujarati-patel + kerala-brahmin + lezgin @ 2.238348
11 cochin-jew + kalash + punjabi-khatri + punjabi-khatri @ 2.239528
12 brahui + lodi + meghawal + urkarah @ 2.239817
13 brahui + kanjar + urkarah + velama @ 2.264147
14 brahui + kurmi + up-scheduled-caste + urkarah @ 2.274377
15 balochi + kanjar + urkarah + velama @ 2.276607
16 gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + sindhi + urkarah @ 2.278830
17 brahui + kurmi + lodi + urkarah @ 2.280758
18 gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + punjabi-arain + urkarah @ 2.289841
19 bhatia + gujarati-a + kerala-brahmin + lezgin @ 2.291521
20 brahui + kol + kurmi + urkarah @ 2.296232

Done.

Ancient Eurasia K6

Admix Results (sorted):




#
Population
Percent


1
Ancestral_North_Eurasian
39.63


2
Natufian
31.17


3
Ancestral_South_Eurasian
18.47


4
East_Asian
8.19


5
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer
2.54




Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Punjabi @ 3.526443
2 Sindhi @ 3.821985
3 Pathan @ 4.326753
4 GujaratiA @ 4.361774
5 Kalash @ 5.448924
6 GujaratiB @ 7.160614
7 Burusho @ 8.478496
8 Pashtun_Afghan @ 9.379998
9 Kurd_SE @ 9.419438
10 Balochi @ 10.780926
11 GujaratiC @ 11.250217
12 Brahui @ 11.577814
13 Makrani @ 13.420153
14 GujaratiD @ 13.500523
15 Punjabi_PJL @ 14.941493
16 Baloch_Iranian @ 15.382010
17 Tajik @ 16.942636
18 CHG @ 19.870075
19 Iran_N @ 20.755058
20 Bengali @ 21.223598

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% GujaratiC +50% Kurd_SE @ 2.453989


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GujaratiB +25% GujaratiB +25% Iran_recent @ 1.146568


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kurd_SE + Pashtun_Afghan + Punjabi_PJL + Sindhi @ 0.598671
2 Bengali + Brahui + Kalash + Kalash @ 0.810252
3 Balochi + Bengali + Kalash + Kalash @ 0.870561
4 Burusho + GujaratiB + GujaratiC + Iran_ChL @ 0.870851
5 Balochi + Pashtun_Afghan + Punjabi + Punjabi_PJL @ 0.890830
6 Brahui + Pashtun_Afghan + Punjabi + Punjabi_PJL @ 0.897053
7 GujaratiD + Kurd_SE + Pashtun_Afghan + Sindhi @ 0.902295
8 Balochi + Pashtun_Afghan + Punjabi_PJL + Sindhi @ 0.903664
9 Bengali + Brahui + Kalash + Pathan @ 0.958189
10 Brahui + Pashtun_Afghan + Punjabi_PJL + Sindhi @ 1.015734
11 Balochi + Bengali + Kalash + Pathan @ 1.020604
12 Balochi + GujaratiD + Pashtun_Afghan + Punjabi @ 1.068862
13 Burusho + GujaratiB + GujaratiD + Iran_ChL @ 1.085523
14 Bengali + Iran_N + Punjabi + Sindhi @ 1.088474
15 Brahui + GujaratiD + Pashtun_Afghan + Punjabi @ 1.110264
16 CHG + Kurd_SE + Palliyar + Pashtun_Afghan @ 1.113207
17 Bengali + Brahui + Pathan + Pathan @ 1.124543
18 Burusho + GujaratiB + GujaratiC + Iranian_Lori @ 1.126101
19 Iranian_Mazandarani + Punjabi + Punjabi + Punjabi_PJL @ 1.138008
20 GujaratiB + Iran_ChL + Punjabi + Punjabi_PJL @ 1.139543

Done.

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I'll run the MDLP K11/K16 in a bit.

Kurd
12-26-2016, 01:57 AM
Admixture calculators are useful, but not so much for what AsiaKurdSouth is seeking to know, namely how much extra drift he shares with Kurds ( or how much Kurdish ancestry) to the exclusion of other Indians, especially if the Kurdish ancestry is several hundred years old.

I believe formal methods such as dstats will help shed more light on this than ADMIXTURE based tests

TJRocks760
12-26-2016, 02:59 AM
Haven't seen ya for a while! I didn't get a chance to run you on the new MDLP calculators. If AsiaSouthKurd sends over her data, I'll run you both and plot you guys on the PCA in one go over the next few hours.

Hi Khana, yes it's been a while! I ordered my uncles FtDNA Y-DNA test. I expect results in a month or so. So, in between now until I get the results I want to learn as much as I can so I'll be on more often.

Thank you for running the tests for us.

AsiaSouthKurd
12-26-2016, 03:29 AM
23andMe and other commercial companies are only informative for geneological time frames due to their testing methodologies .

If you're Kurdish ancestry is more than a couple of hundred years old it will not show with those testing services . We would likely get an indication however using more formal methods such as dstats.

If you are interested in finding out about your possible Kurdish ancestry, you can send me your raw data and I will incorporate you into my project.

I can run formal comparison tests against some of my Kurdish project members to see whether you share more genetic drift with Kurds compared to other S Asians from your geographical area. This would likely confirm or dispel your suspicions about your Kurdish ancestry

Thank you, Kurd - that would be great. Happy to send the raw data across to you for this. Could you kindly PM me an address to send it to?

pegasus
12-26-2016, 04:30 AM
Your results look VERY typical for the region , I highly doubt there was any Kurdish ancestry to begin with , what is your Y dna.

Kurd
12-26-2016, 05:07 AM
Your results look VERY typical for the region , I highly doubt there was any Kurdish ancestry to begin with , what is your Y dna.


How can you be so sure when you don't know the makeup of the other 7 individuals that contributed admixture to her. A great grandparent contributes about 12.5% on average depending on recombination. Even if he was 1st generation Kurd from Kurdistan, that level of Kurdish admixture, whatever that may mean, could easily be diluted to her current admixture profile depending on the makeup (S Asianess) of the other 7 individuals that contributed DNA to her, and if he was not 1st generation, then it really would take almost nothing to dilute to current levels

The formal analysis I will do on her data should pick up on diluted distant Kurdish ancestry if it is there, when I test for D( Target, Local N Indian, Kurd, Outgroup)

AsiaSouthKurd
12-26-2016, 05:39 PM
what is your Y dna.

I am awaiting my father's data to come through for this information, and will share the info as soon as it's available.

Kurd
01-01-2017, 03:05 PM
Thank you, Kurd - that would be great. Happy to send the raw data across to you for this. Could you kindly PM me an address to send it to?

Ok, it took a few hours, but you have now been incorporated into my various datasets under the code name KASHMIRI. After filtering for markers with genetic variation, I was able to squeeze out about 222K AncestryDNA SNPs which overlap my 23andMe V4 project members. So I pruned to this common denominator set of markers, to give you and my 23andMe V4 project members around 100% genotype rate. This way all the members (23andMe V3/V4 and AncestryDNA) are on an equal level, so that the comparisons are accurate and fair.

First, using Admixtools, I intend to do a few comparisons for shared drift with my Kurd members (Iraq , Iran, and Turkey) using Dstats. The dstats are of the form D( Sample, YOU, Kurd, Chimp). This way we can see if you share more genetic drift with my Kurd members than others from your area. This would be an indicator that your ggp had Kurdish ancestry. I intend to do these comparisons using a couple of Kurdish members, so that the pattern becomes a little more clear.

Next, I intend to run you through Beagle and do IBD (Identity by Descent) comparisons with various Kurds.


The output of my 1st Dstat run is as follows. Here I compared you against various members against Iraqi Kurd sample C3. Expectedly,the following individuals share more genetic drift with Iraqi Kurd C3 than you. The table is sorted with the members sharing the most drift with Kurd C3 (vs you) on top



SAMPLE
KASHMIRI
KURD C3
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.Kurd_F1
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.021
4.149
222681


.Kurd_F8
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0205
4.001
221660


.Znertu
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.02
3.725
222842


.Kurd_Ezidi
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0175
3.289
222476


.Halgurd
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0151
2.802
222235


.Kurd_F5
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0143
2.705
222650


.Mfa
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0133
2.551
222071


.Kurd_F2
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.012
2.268
222308


.Kurd_F3
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0114
2.176
222679


.Kurd_F7
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.011
2.075
222612


.Kurd_F4
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0093
1.795
222930


.NK19191
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0076
1.434
222814


.Kurd_F6
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.006
1.149
216542


.Melif
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
0.0032
0.628
222793



What is surprising for an Indian, however, is that we only see Kurds, NK19191 (Iranian), and Meli (Afghan Pashtun) share more drift than you with Kurd C3.

In fact, you share more drift with Kurd C3 than all the following members, and they include Indians, Pakistanis, Iranian Baloch, Afghans, and SW Asians). The table is sorted. Members on the bottom share considerably less drift with Kurd C3 than you. The members on top from Zara (Iranian Baloch) to Bolnat, share statistically insignificantly less drift than you with Kurd C3.

The claim that your ggp had Kurdish ancestry appears to have some merit. More tests using other Kurd members to follow.




SAMPLE
KASHMIRI
KURD C3
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.Zara
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0001
-0.019
222775


.Pashtun_Afghan
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0006
-0.119
222284


.Rukha
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0015
-0.287
222484


.Pak_Gujjar
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0017
-0.331
222724


.Dluffy
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0026
-0.477
222180


.Kaido
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.003
-0.552
222516


.Sapporo
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0032
-0.611
222616


.Sein
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0034
-0.66
222784


.Bol_Nat
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0043
-0.829
221913


.Jatt_Har393
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0065
-1.31
222666


.Punjabi_Rajput
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0065
-1.226
221689


.Bored
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0073
-1.394
222738


.Farid
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0095
-1.718
222283


.Jam
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0097
-1.83
222599


.Jatt2016
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0097
-1.889
221623


.Arain_Sheikh
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0101
-2.39
222488


.Jesus
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0111
-2.108
221926


.McNinja
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0122
-2.428
222724


.Nee4speed
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0135
-2.493
222354


.Kenji
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0146
-2.963
222299


.Khana
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0155
-2.99
222390


.Ashwin
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0176
-3.404
222617


.Varun
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0192
-3.863
222616


.Reza_wife
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.025
-4.79
223031


.Reza_friend
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0265
-5.07
223031


.Reza_mom
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0287
-5.576
223031


.Reza1
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.0316
-6.065
221690


.Lank
.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C3
Chimp
-0.1265
-23.409
222775



Edit: If you can have your parent from the side of your ggp tested, that would help quite a bit.

Kurd
01-01-2017, 04:12 PM
Here are your IBD scores. Refer to the opening posts at http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9427-IBD-estimation-for-project-members for further information



SAMPLE1
SAMPLE2
START
END
FastIBD Score
SNPs


.Kashmiri
.Sapporo
94416
95054
5.20E-36
638


.Hanna_GF
.Kashmiri
94658
94890
1.81E-30
232


.Kashmiri
.Reza_mom
94658
94970
2.84E-25
312


.Dluffy
.Kashmiri
94720
94821
1.86E-18
101


.Kashmiri
.Parasar
94225
94345
4.56E-18
120


.Kashmiri
.Sapporo
72207
72427
5.15E-17
220


.Kashmiri
.Znertu (Kurd_T)
248796
248942
1.10E-16
146


.Dluffy
.Kashmiri
78466
78607
2.07E-16
141


.Kashmiri
.Mfa (Kurd_T)
236986
237057
2.71E-16
71


.Kashmiri
.Sapporo
124524
124618
3.49E-16
94


.Halgurd (Kurd_Ir)
.Kashmiri
197483
197563
3.67E-16
80


.Kashmiri
.Zara
23881
24181
7.27E-16
300


.Kashmiri
.Kurd_F3
9112
9303
8.80E-16
191


.Arain_Sheikh
.Kashmiri
27013
27324
1.16E-15
311


.Kashmiri
.Kurd_C1
236962
237037
1.90E-15
75


Pashtun_Afgh
.Kashmiri
93780
93899
1.95E-15
119


.Kashmiri
.Kurd_SE
228153
228328
3.46E-15
175


.Kashmiri
.Kurd_F3
236084
236125
7.86E-15
41


.Kashmiri
.Kurd_F2
197495
197572
9.95E-15
77


.Kashmiri
.Punjabi_Rajput
247309
247399
1.04E-14
90


.Kashmiri
.Melif
83428
83540
1.39E-14
112


.Kashmiri
.Varun
217094
217153
2.22E-14
59


.Farid
.Kashmiri
122606
122779
3.44E-14
173


.Kashmiri
.Reza_mom
103100
103179
5.50E-14
79


.Kashmiri
.Reza_friend
153253
153368
5.78E-14
115


.Kashmiri
.Khana
57969
58072
5.91E-14
103


.Jatt_Har393
.Kashmiri
256821
257000
6.43E-14
179

Kurd
01-01-2017, 04:48 PM
Similar pattern as above using Znertu (Kurd-Turkey) in lieu of Kurd C3. The following members expectedly share more drift with Znertu than you.



SAMPLE
KASHMIRI
KURD C3
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.Pashtun_Afg
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0014
0.269
222270


.Melif
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0044
0.826
222784


.Kurd_F6
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0086
1.657
216549


.NK19191
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0101
1.992
222818


.Kurd_F4
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0114
2.146
222933


.Kurd_F7
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0114
2.097
222607


.Kurd_F8
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0123
2.413
221645


.Kurd_F3
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.013
2.409
222670


.Kurd_F2
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0131
2.548
222296


.Kurd_F1
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0145
2.755
222670


.Halgurd
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0148
2.79
222221


.Mfa
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0159
3.117
222076


.Kurd_F5
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0165
3.158
222640


.Kurd_Ezidi
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0208
3.903
222481




You share more drift with Znertu than the following members, insignificantly so for Dluffy thru Bolnat. Table is sorted with those sharing much less drift with Znertu than you on the bottom.



SAMPLE
KASHMIRI
KURD C3
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.Dluffy
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0027
-0.529
222172


.Sapporo
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.668
222620


.Zara
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.607
222764


.Kaido
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0037
-0.708
222503


.Rukha
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0039
-0.734
222473


.Pak_Gujjar
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0044
-0.878
222728


.Bol_Nat
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0047
-0.913
221918


.Jam
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0058
-1.123
222593


.Jatt_Har393
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0061
-1.23
222655


.Jatt2016
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0064
-1.253
221618


.Jesus
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0079
-1.496
221916


.Bored
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0082
-1.527
222726


.Sein
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0089
-1.73
222787


.Punjabi_Rajput
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0097
-1.86
222729


.Arain_Sheik
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0099
-1.9
222476


.Farid
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0107
-2.005
222270


.Kenji
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0122
-2.381
222287


.McNinja
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0124
-2.369
222729


.Khana
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0135
-2.593
222379


.Varun
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0177
-3.678
222618


.Nee4speed
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0186
-3.759
222341


.Ashwin
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0237
-4.573
222607


.Reza_wife
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0286
-5.61
223034


.Reza_friend
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.029
-5.75
223034


.Reza_mom
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0386
-7.675
223034


.Reza1
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0416
-8.135
221677


.Lank
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.1325
-24.739
222779

MonkeyDLuffy
01-01-2017, 07:10 PM
Similar pattern as above using Znertu (Kurd-Turkey) in lieu of Kurd C3. The following members expectedly share more drift with Znertu than you.



SAMPLE
KASHMIRI
KURD C3
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.Pashtun_Afg
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0014
0.269
222270


.Melif
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0044
0.826
222784


.Kurd_F6
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0086
1.657
216549


.NK19191
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0101
1.992
222818


.Kurd_F4
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0114
2.146
222933


.Kurd_F7
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0114
2.097
222607


.Kurd_F8
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0123
2.413
221645


.Kurd_F3
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.013
2.409
222670


.Kurd_F2
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0131
2.548
222296


.Kurd_F1
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0145
2.755
222670


.Halgurd
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0148
2.79
222221


.Mfa
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0159
3.117
222076


.Kurd_F5
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0165
3.158
222640


.Kurd_Ezidi
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
0.0208
3.903
222481




You share more drift with Znertu than the following members, insignificantly so for Dluffy thru Bolnat. Table is sorted with those sharing much less drift with Znertu than you on the bottom.



SAMPLE
KASHMIRI
KURD C3
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs


.Dluffy
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0027
-0.529
222172


.Sapporo
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.668
222620


.Zara
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0035
-0.607
222764


.Kaido
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0037
-0.708
222503


.Rukha
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0039
-0.734
222473


.Pak_Gujjar
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0044
-0.878
222728


.Bol_Nat
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0047
-0.913
221918


.Jam
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0058
-1.123
222593


.Jatt_Har393
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0061
-1.23
222655


.Jatt2016
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0064
-1.253
221618


.Jesus
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0079
-1.496
221916


.Bored
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0082
-1.527
222726


.Sein
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0089
-1.73
222787


.Punjabi_Rajput
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0097
-1.86
222729


.Arain_Sheik
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0099
-1.9
222476


.Farid
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0107
-2.005
222270


.Kenji
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0122
-2.381
222287


.McNinja
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0124
-2.369
222729


.Khana
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0135
-2.593
222379


.Varun
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0177
-3.678
222618


.Nee4speed
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0186
-3.759
222341


.Ashwin
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0237
-4.573
222607


.Reza_wife
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0286
-5.61
223034


.Reza_friend
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.029
-5.75
223034


.Reza_mom
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0386
-7.675
223034


.Reza1
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.0416
-8.135
221677


.Lank
.Kashmiri
.Znertu
Chimp
-0.1325
-24.739
222779



I'm having a little hard time understanding the new IBD runs kurd, can you please explain how they work?

Kurd
01-01-2017, 07:56 PM
I'm having a little hard time understanding the new IBD runs kurd, can you please explain how they work?

The ones you quoted above are dstat outputs :) but I just posted an explanation in the IBD thread, and will post yours and a couple of other members tonight when I have a little time....

khanabadoshi
01-11-2017, 01:52 PM
AsiaSouthKurd


MDLP K11

0.00% African
1.72% Amerindian
42.08% ASI
9.75% Basal
7.30% Iran-Mesolithic
0.07% Neolithic
0.73% Oceanic
32.69% EHG
0.00% SEA
0.22% Siberian
5.46% WHG


MDLP K16

1.47% Amerindian
0.00% Ancestor
9.41% Steppe
52.28% Indian
0.44% Arctic
1.57% Australian
24.46% Caucasian
0.00% EastAfrican
3.49% NorthEastEuropean
2.05% NearEast
0.03% Neolithic
0.31% NorthAfrican
0.59% Oceanic
0.81% Siberian
3.09% SouthEastAsian
0.00% Subsaharian

MDLP K16 Oracle



Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.314499
2 Pathan @ 4.478909
3 Jatt-Pahari @ 4.857938
4 Kashmiri @ 5.457854
5 Jatt-Muslim @ 6.172426
6 Sindhi @ 8.111993
7 Meena @ 8.246898
8 Brahmin @ 8.51303
9 Burusho @ 9.275206
10 Kshatriya @ 10.698304
11 Jatt-Haryana @ 10.844964
12 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 11.861433
13 Vaish @ 12.355456
14 Balochi @ 12.465352
15 Brahui @ 12.561257
16 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 12.570958
17 GujaratiA_GIH @ 12.813749
18 Mumbai_Jewish @ 12.958727
19 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu @ 13.016816
20 Kalash @ 13.024838
621 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 2.812985
2 Pathan+Sindhi @ 3.04352
3 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh+Brahui @ 3.104579
4 Balochi+Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.134406
5 Meena+Pathan @ 3.171118
6 Brahui+Vaish @ 3.311256
7 Balochi+Vaish @ 3.343394
8 Kashmiri+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 3.475212
9 Pakistani_Pushtun+Sindhi @ 3.565774
10 Jatt-Pahari+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 3.722342
11 Jatt-Muslim+Pathan @ 3.785094
12 Kashmiri+Sindhi @ 3.791886
13 Jatt-Muslim+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 3.883832
14 Brahui+Kshatriya @ 3.918768
15 Brahmin+Brahui @ 3.929881
16 Balochi+Brahmin @ 3.940378
17 Balochi+Kshatriya @ 3.947799
18 Jatt-Pahari+Pathan @ 4.027123
19 Punjabi-Gujjar+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.314499
20 Kashmiri+Pathan @ 4.321563
193131 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Thakur @ 2.343055
2 50% Pathan +25% Balochi +25% Thakur @ 2.351065
3 50% Pathan +25% Punjabi-Gujjar +25% Sindhi @ 2.352188
4 50% Pathan +25% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu +25% Pathan @ 2.359119
5 50% Sindhi +25% Pakistani_Pushtun +25% Pathan @ 2.365103
6 50% Pathan +25% Kashmiri +25% Sindhi @ 2.369597
7 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Srivastava @ 2.431111
8 50% Pathan +25% Meena +25% Punjabi-Gujjar @ 2.449839
9 50% Pathan +25% Balochi +25% Srivastava @ 2.47973
10 50% Pathan +25% Pathan +25% Sindhi @ 2.498888
11 50% Kashmiri +25% Brahui +25% GujaratiA_GIH @ 2.501531
12 50% Pathan +25% Jatt-Pahari +25% Sindhi @ 2.550158
13 50% Kashmiri +25% Balochi +25% GujaratiA_GIH @ 2.561135
14 50% Pathan +25% Meena +25% Pathan @ 2.561896
15 50% Kashmiri +25% Kalash +25% Pathan @ 2.567074
16 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Meghawal @ 2.640156
17 50% Pathan +25% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh +25% Brahui @ 2.656829
18 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Dharkars @ 2.675048
19 50% Pathan +25% Balochi +25% Meghawal @ 2.676889
20 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% GujaratiB_GIH @ 2.682804
35906309 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Brahui+Pathan+Pathan+Thakur @ 2.343055
2 Balochi+Pathan+Pathan+Thakur @ 2.351065
3 Pathan+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar+Sindhi @ 2.352188
4 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.359119
5 Pakistani_Pushtun+Pathan+Sindhi+Sindhi @ 2.365103
6 Kashmiri+Pathan+Pathan+Sindhi @ 2.369597
7 Brahui+GujaratiA_GIH+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 2.415168
8 Brahui+Pathan+Pathan+Srivastava @ 2.431111
9 Brahmin+Brahui+Pathan+Sindhi @ 2.443916
10 Meena+Pathan+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 2.449839
11 Balochi+GujaratiA_GIH+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 2.472798
12 Balochi+Brahmin+Pathan+Sindhi @ 2.474386
13 Balochi+Pathan+Pathan+Srivastava @ 2.47973
14 Pathan+Pathan+Pathan+Sindhi @ 2.498888
15 Brahui+GujaratiA_GIH+Kashmiri+Kashmiri @ 2.501531
16 Kashmiri+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar+Sindhi @ 2.5081
17 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh+Brahui+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 2.518867
18 Jatt-Pahari+Pathan+Pathan+Sindhi @ 2.550158
19 Brahui+Burusho+GujaratiA_GIH+Pathan @ 2.553536
20 Balochi+GujaratiA_GIH+Kashmiri+Kashmiri @ 2.561135
21 Meena+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.561896
22 Kalash+Kashmiri+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 2.567074
23 Brahui+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar+Vaish @ 2.573243
24 Meena+Pakistani_Pushtun+Pathan+Sindhi @ 2.574501
25 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh+Brahui+Jatt-Muslim+Pathan @ 2.579034
26 Brahui+Jatt-Haryana+Pathan+Thakur @ 2.590641
27 Balochi+Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 2.590805
28 Brahui+GujaratiB_GIH+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 2.6024
29 Balochi+Burusho+GujaratiA_GIH+Pathan @ 2.626067
30 Brahmin+Brahui+Kashmiri+Sindhi @ 2.630723
31 Brahui+GujaratiA_GIH+Jatt-Muslim+Pathan @ 2.632295
32 Balochi+Jatt-Haryana+Pathan+Thakur @ 2.639866
33 Brahui+Meghawal+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.640156
34 Balochi+GujaratiB_GIH+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 2.64281
35 Balochi+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar+Vaish @ 2.645016
36 Balochi+Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh+Jatt-Muslim+Pathan @ 2.647052
37 Brahui+Burusho+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 2.6475
38 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh+Brahui+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.656829
39 Balochi+Brahmin+Kashmiri+Sindhi @ 2.662822
40 Brahui+Pathan+Sindhi+Vaish @ 2.663242
229430695 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.31652

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pathan @ 4.658909
2 Kashmiri @ 4.867537
3 Sindhi @ 5.188117
4 Jatt-Pahari @ 5.654394
5 Jatt-Muslim @ 5.663111
6 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 5.885556
7 Burusho @ 6.479714
8 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu @ 7.041356
9 Balochi @ 7.279033
10 Meena @ 7.281839
11 Vaish @ 7.333633
12 GujaratiA_GIH @ 7.354363
13 Punjabi-Gujjar @ 7.611896
14 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 7.64988
15 Meghawal @ 7.743524
16 Kshatriya @ 7.787774
17 Brahui @ 7.987961
18 Thakur @ 8.089298
19 Brahmin @ 8.125027
20 Srivastava @ 8.203217
621 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.606959
2 Pathan+Sindhi @ 4.638909
3 Pathan+Pathan @ 4.658909
4 Kashmiri+Pathan @ 4.67202
5 Brahui+Meena @ 4.817666
6 Balochi+Kashmiri @ 4.822112
7 Balochi+Meena @ 4.822744
8 Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.82757
9 Brahui+Kashmiri @ 4.83455
10 Kashmiri+Kashmiri @ 4.867537
11 Kashmiri+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.87211
12 Kashmiri+Sindhi @ 4.900721
13 Brahui+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.909803
14 Brahui+Pathan @ 4.950417
15 Balochi+Pathan @ 4.95175
16 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh+Brahui @ 4.963883
17 Pakistani_Pushtun+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.976807
18 Pakistani_Pushtun+Sindhi @ 4.986333
19 Kalash+Pakistani_Pushtun @ 4.988917
20 Balochi+Jatt-Muslim @ 4.991072
193131 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kashmiri +25% Brahui +25% Kalash @ 4.211844
2 50% Kashmiri +25% Balochi +25% Kalash @ 4.246971
3 50% Kashmiri +25% Kalash +25% Pathan @ 4.439847
4 50% Kashmiri +25% Kalash +25% Makrani @ 4.440069
5 50% Kashmiri +25% Kalash +25% Kashmiri @ 4.453535
6 50% Brahui +25% Kalash +25% Kashmiri @ 4.46804
7 50% Pathan +25% Kalash +25% Kashmiri @ 4.470616
8 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.510509
9 50% Balochi +25% Kalash +25% Kashmiri @ 4.512897
10 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Kashmiri @ 4.531159
11 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Sindhi @ 4.533593
12 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Thakur @ 4.538908
13 50% Punjabi-Gujjar +25% Brahui +25% Pathan @ 4.540553
14 50% Pathan +25% Balochi +25% Thakur @ 4.54115
15 50% Pathan +25% Balochi +25% Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.544168
16 50% Kalash +25% Brahui +25% Kashmiri @ 4.546996
17 50% Pathan +25% Balochi +25% Kashmiri @ 4.547007
18 50% Pathan +25% Balochi +25% Sindhi @ 4.54836
19 50% Pathan +25% Brahui +25% Meena @ 4.57089
20 50% Punjabi-Gujjar +25% Brahui +25% Kashmiri @ 4.576181
117385496 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Brahui+Kalash+Kashmiri+Kashmiri @ 4.211844
2 Balochi+Kalash+Kashmiri+Kashmiri @ 4.246971
3 Brahui+Kalash+Kashmiri+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.291339
4 Brahui+Kalash+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 4.297865
5 Balochi+Kalash+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 4.330953
6 Balochi+Kalash+Kashmiri+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.354845
7 Brahui+Kalash+Kashmiri+Sindhi @ 4.387838
8 Balochi+Kalash+Kashmiri+Sindhi @ 4.419263
9 Kalash+Kashmiri+Kashmiri+Pathan @ 4.439847
10 Kalash+Kashmiri+Kashmiri+Makrani @ 4.440069
11 Brahui+Burusho+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.446971
12 Brahui+Kalash+Kashmiri+Meena @ 4.449392
13 Kalash+Kashmiri+Kashmiri+Kashmiri @ 4.453535
14 Brahui+Brahui+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.46804
15 Kalash+Kashmiri+Pathan+Pathan @ 4.470616
16 Balochi+Brahui+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.48801
17 Balochi+Kalash+Kashmiri+Meena @ 4.492941
18 Balochi+Burusho+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.494212
19 Kalash+Kashmiri+Makrani+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.495858
20 Brahui+Kalash+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.496952
21 Brahui+Kashmiri+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.497475
22 Brahui+Pathan+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.510509
23 Balochi+Balochi+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.512897
24 Kalash+Kashmiri+Makrani+Pathan @ 4.518292
25 Balochi+Kashmiri+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.526569
26 Brahui+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar+Sindhi @ 4.530099
27 Brahui+Kashmiri+Pathan+Pathan @ 4.531159
28 Brahui+Burusho+Kalash+Pathan @ 4.533232
29 Brahui+Pathan+Pathan+Sindhi @ 4.533593
30 Brahui+Kashmiri+Pathan+Sindhi @ 4.537928
31 Brahui+Pathan+Pathan+Thakur @ 4.538908
32 Brahui+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.540553
33 Balochi+Pathan+Pathan+Thakur @ 4.54115
34 Balochi+Pathan+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.544168
35 Brahui+Jatt-Muslim+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.544489
36 Brahui+Kalash+Kalash+Kashmiri @ 4.546996
37 Balochi+Kashmiri+Pathan+Pathan @ 4.547007
38 Balochi+Pathan+Pathan+Sindhi @ 4.54836
39 Balochi+Kashmiri+Pathan+Sindhi @ 4.548562
40 Balochi+Kalash+Pathan+Punjabi-Gujjar @ 4.561364
1664826807 iterations.

Hirontumen
01-16-2017, 05:14 PM
We should include all Kurdish groups, as it will be fair.

asm
05-10-2018, 04:54 AM
How common is R-Z2103 among Iraqi and Syrian Kurds?