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Osiris
12-31-2016, 01:47 AM
That's my dad's haplogroup. We have a whole lot of Finnish and Lithuanian matches. In fact it looks like there's a new level to be had under it with A4164G which he shares with a group from Finland. After that we have a mutation on 234 and a back mutation on 207 that no one else seems to have.

Tomenable
01-03-2017, 08:40 AM
Here is a really great website about mtDNA haplogroup W: http://www.thecid.com

So far I only tested as W, but most likely I'm W6a since all of my matches are W6a.

The list of my matches on HVR1 and HVR2:

mtDNA Haplogroup
W6a
W
W6a
W6a
W6a
W
W
W
W
W6a
W
W6a
W6-C16192T
W6a
W
W6a
W6a
W6a
W6a
W6a
W6a

AFAIK, only two ancient DNA samples of W6a have been found so far:


W6a ; Russia; Yamnaya, Lopatino II, Sok River, Samara 3500-2700 BCE

W6a ; Germany; Corded Ware, Esperstedt 2566-2477 BCE

Osiris
01-03-2017, 06:19 PM
Wow, thank you so much Tomenable. I especially like that website.

Tomenable
01-06-2017, 10:44 AM
It seems that I have W6 for sure (and most likely W6a), since I have defining mutations of W6 HVR1 16192 & HVR1 16325, and almost all of my matches are W6a. I have C at HVR1 16325 and T at HVR1 16192:

Position / CRS / Your Result
16192 / C / T
16325 / T / C

According to this website, these mutations define W6:

http://www.thecid.com/w6.htm

It seems that W6 emerged among CHG hunters ca. 10,000 years ago and then migrated to the Steppe with CHG ancestry, where it (some subclades of it, including W6a) became part of the PIE community:


W6 appeared in the area between the Black & Caspian Seas, perhpas in what is now Georgia, ~10,000 years ago.

Ancient samples of W6a (see above) were found in Yamnaya culture and in Corded Ware culture so far, so this subclade is definitely associated with Indo-European migrations. Here is a map of modern distribution of W6 (the highest concentration today is in Georgia, where around 5,2% of the population carry it):

http://www.thecid.com/w6distrib.jpg

Ancient samples of confirmed W6:

W6: Va7, ~5500-4500 BC, Vinča culture Romania

W6c: Lopatino I, ~3090-2910 BC, Yamnaya Russia

W6a: Lopatino II, ~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya Russia
W6a: Esperstedt, ~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware Germany

Osiris
01-06-2017, 09:09 PM
I have a similar match list as you at HVRI. It looks like all the branches below W6 at phylotree are in the coding region except for 16211 which is in W6c1a. I have the HVRII mutations listed above but don't share them with anyone. Looks like there's little reason to get HVRII upgrades, only a full test would fully define you're place in the tree.

Sometimes the history of mtDNA subgroups are so generic as compared to the Y chromosome side. It's really cool to see that we're getting down into the weeds enough that we can restrict some ancestral women into specific cultures.

Tomenable
04-01-2017, 09:13 AM
One new ancient sample of W6a, from Baltic Corded Ware, from Mittnik et. al. 2017:

~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya, Lopatino II, Russia
~3260-2630 BC, Corded Ware, Plinkaigalis, Lithuania
~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware, Esperstedt, Germany

Karin Ford
05-26-2017, 06:06 PM
Hi, I just joined and have been looking for other W6a's with the A4164G I have been only able to go back to my gr.gr. gr grndm only because her name was listed on my gr.gr grndm's death certificate it has her maiden name as Anna Poofam I am thinking that this might be a phonetic spelling on most records it has my gr.gr arriving in the U.S. from Prussia

Karin Ford
05-26-2017, 06:07 PM
Thank you it helps

Osiris
05-26-2017, 07:22 PM
Cool. Welcome cousin! W6a is supposed to have been born roughly 4500 BC. So the A4164G must have occurred sometime after that but not sure when. Do you have a mutation on 207 or 234? I've got a back mutation (A207G!) and another mutation (A234G) but so far no other testers have them.

Osiris
05-26-2017, 10:35 PM
If you feel like you can submit to GenBank. Here's a thread which talks about it. I did it with help from Ian Logan. My understanding is that GenBank is what they update the phylotree with which is the tree that FTDNA uses. So if we have enough A4164G tested people submit their info to GenBank then eventually we can get added to the next build of phylotree or the one after that and become W6a1.

Once that happens it should be paid more attention to in the scientific literature and maybe they'll test for it in ancient samples or determine some estimated age for the group and other fun stuff. But just FYI that doing so puts your personal mtDNA out there for everyone to see. I believe you can also submit anonymously so it's not linked to your name or anything.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2712-GenBank-Submissions&p=65865&viewfull=1&styleid=2

netnik808
11-12-2017, 11:45 PM
I just got my results back from 23 and me and found out that my mtDNA haplogroup is W6! This seems to be quite a rare haplogroup. My maternal line seems to point back to Durham, England. I wonder how W6 got there?
-Nicholas Long

Tomenable
04-04-2019, 04:04 AM
So there is a Visigothic sample from Spain with W6a haplogroup, but I wonder if it is W6a1a or not?:

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_0.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/eQM1kTg.png

If I'm not mistaken, this Visigothic W6a is actually the only known so far ancient W6a younger than Bronze Age.

Bronze Age W6a samples are Corded Ware Lithuania (Mittnik et. al. 2017) and from Corded Ware East Germany:

- W6a sample dated to ~3260-2630 BC, Baltic Corded Ware, Plinkaigalis, Lithuania
- W6a sample dated to ~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware, Esperstedt, East Germany

Here is what I got for this sample (I12034), can something downstream of W6a be identified as well?:

User Entered Markers: C146T,C152T,A189G,C194T,T204C,G207A,A247G,G709A,A7 69G,A825T,A1018G,T1243C,A2758G,C2885T,A3505G,T3594 C,A4093G,G4104A,T4312C,G5046A,G5460A,A6040G,G7146A ,T7256C,A7521G,G8251A,T8468C,T8610C,T8614C,T8655C, G8701A,G8994A,C9540T,C10307T,G10398A,T10664C,A1068 8G,C10810T,C10873T,C10915T,C11674T,A11914G,A11947G ,T12414C,G13105A,G13276A,T13506C,T13650C,G15884C,A 16129G,T16187C,C16189T,C16192T,G16230A,T16278C,C16 292T,C16311T,T16325C

Best Identified Haplogroups
Haplogroup W6a
♀ Eve
⇨ L1'2'3'4'5'6 (C146T,C182T,T4312C,T10664C,C10915T,A11914G,G13276 A,G16230A)
⇨ L2'3'4'5'6 (C152T,A2758G,C2885T,G7146A,T8468C)
⇨ L2'3'4'6 (C195T,A247G,A825t,T8655C,A10688G,C10810T,G13105A, T13506C,G15301A,A16129G,T16187C,C16189T)
⇨ L3'4'6 (G4104A,A7521G)
⇨ L3'4 (T182C!,T3594C,T7256C,T13650C,T16278C)
⇨ L3 (A769G,A1018G,C16311T)
⇨ N (G8701A,C9540T,G10398A,C10873T,A15301G!)
⇨ N2 (A189G,G709A,G5046A,C11674T,T12414C)
⇨ W (T195C!,T204C,G207A,T1243C,A3505G,G5460A,G8251A,G8 994A,A11947G,G15884c,C16292T)
⇨ (C194T)
⇨ W6 (A4093G,T8614C,T16325C)
⇨ (C194T)
⇨ W6a (T8610C)
Matches on Tree (54) : C146T C152T A189G C194T T204C G207A A247G G709A A769G A1018G T1243C A2758G C2885T A3505G T3594C A4093G G4104A T4312C G5046A G5460A G7146A T7256C A7521G G8251A T8468C T8610C T8614C T8655C G8701A G8994A C9540T G10398A T10664C A10688G C10810T C10873T C10915T C11674T A11914G A11947G T12414C G13105A G13276A T13506C T13650C A16129G T16187C C16189T C16192T G16230A T16278C C16292T C16311T T16325C
Mismatches/Extras (4) : A825T A6040G C10307T G15884C

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As for my haplogroup, I'm W6a according to mtDNA Wiki (but I haven't done mtDNA Full Sequence yet, so I'm not on YFull with my mtDNA).

From my mtDNA Wiki report:

https://i.imgur.com/6RAhKWS.png

YFull tree for W6a haplogroup (neither me nor this Spanish Visigoth are included there so far, but I hope that they will add the Visigoth soon):

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/W6a/

Theconqueror
04-04-2019, 12:57 PM
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04-04-2019, 12:58 PM
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Tomenable
06-05-2019, 04:21 PM
Another ancient W6a sample (these are samples from Early Medieval Bohemia and Great Moravia):

https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/domaci/2831966-v-hrobe-pod-svatovitskou-rotundou-neni-knize-borivoj-reporteri-ct-zjistovali-kdo-tam?fbclid=IwAR2C1lkk73VCznmxout7rGpPsV6rjfMKcW469 gntOYTSshi_XZ90dfjjrEQ

https://i.imgur.com/2FLalWS.png

^^^
Check also SNP Tracker: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

https://i.imgur.com/tR7yVvL.png

matscarlin
08-21-2019, 09:38 PM
There is also a much later Moorish W6a sample I7425 in the Iberian peninsula paper [Olalde et al 2019]. Have you tried to extract the mtDNA mutations of that sample to see if it is belonging to the same subbranch as the Visigothic sample ?

There are no known current day samples with the additional mutations of the Visigothic sample as far as I know.

This study on the viking world also contains a W6a viking warrior found in Salme, Estonia : https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/703405v1