PDA

View Full Version : T1a2 from T ydna greater than 2000years



vettor
02-11-2017, 07:19 PM
Map below only is for the T1a2 branch of the T ydna ................I excluded all the ones less than 2000 years old...........they are 2 x Saudi -Bahrain, 14 x USA and 2 x Caribbean


http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/t1a2%202000y_zpscghgypxp.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/t1a2%202000y_zpscghgypxp.jpg.html)


With none in the levant or africa ...............the south-italy and Spain ones must have come down from the north instead of by sea

vettor
03-26-2017, 05:35 PM
In regards to T1a2 ( L131 group )

The south-tyrol/trentino region of alpine Italy have only T1a2 people as well as Ydna L1a and L1b


all the K-M9 in Luserna Cimbrians are ydna L1b

all the K-M9 in Sole Valley are ydna T-L131

There is a L1a ydna and a T-L131 in Lessinia Cimbrians

all the K-M9 in Fiemme Valley are all L1a ydna

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0081704

I have not checked the Adige , Fassa and Badia tabs K-M9 in File S1 ( XLS ) for what they represent

Salento
05-30-2017, 07:28 PM
I'm T CTS8862 ( Negative for PAGES00113 and Y17493 )
All Parents and Grandparents from Puglia Italy

vettor
05-30-2017, 09:07 PM
I'm T CTS8862 ( Negative for PAGES00113 and Y17493 )
All Parents and Grandparents from Puglia Italy

Is your surname . Benedetto ?

Salento
05-30-2017, 09:36 PM
No, is Greco

vettor
05-31-2017, 01:13 AM
No, is Greco
Thanks. Myself and a spaniard named fandora where checking out three T1a2. With names Benedetto. Greco and goldin.
You then sit with fandora as per the T project. Iirc a levy surname from York England as well

vettor
05-31-2017, 06:14 PM
Thanks. Myself and a spaniard named fandora where checking out three T1a2. With names Benedetto. Greco and goldin.
You then sit with fandora as per the T project. Iirc a levy surname from York England as well

I meant Levi Lee from England.............spoke to recent descendant and he noted that his ancestor was a Bricklayer , his father name was george

Salento
05-31-2017, 09:16 PM
Some Locals in the South of Puglia tell Stories indicating that The Messapi of Puglia and The Venitian were members of the same Tribe in Illyria before migrating in to Italy more or less 3000 years ago.
Propably are just old Legends.

vettor
05-31-2017, 09:28 PM
Some Locals in the South of Puglia tell Stories indicating that The Messapi of Puglia and The Venitian were members of the same Tribe in Illyria before migrating in to Italy more or less 3000 years ago.
Propably are just old Legends.

The legend also states the messapii are related to the illyrian liburnians who also ruled corfu up to 700bc

Armend
11-26-2017, 08:22 PM
Dear Vettor,

I was recently tested in YSEQ and according to the calculator NEVGEN i belong to the T-L131 Y -DNA. However I do not know where can I clasify more deeply my results based on STR markers. I come from Kosovo (Albanian) and this Haplogroup seems to be an outlayer here. I am second to be tested with this haplgroup. The other one belong to CTS54. Could you please help me to clasify my data? If yes, then I can send you my STR markers from YSEQ.

Thank you very much!
Armend

vettor
12-08-2017, 08:42 PM
Dear Vettor,

I was recently tested in YSEQ and according to the calculator NEVGEN i belong to the T-L131 Y -DNA. However I do not know where can I clasify more deeply my results based on STR markers. I come from Kosovo (Albanian) and this Haplogroup seems to be an outlayer here. I am second to be tested with this haplgroup. The other one belong to CTS54. Could you please help me to clasify my data? If yes, then I can send you my STR markers from YSEQ.

Thank you very much!
Armend

Did you test with Ftdna?

if not..........try to match with
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-Haplogroup-K2/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

start only from the purple headed groups

Armend
12-10-2017, 11:08 PM
It seems that I would be near this Predicted L446+ group

Armend
12-10-2017, 11:13 PM
Another person from my area was tested in Geno 2 as T1a-L131>CTS54>CTS8862.

vettor
12-10-2017, 11:44 PM
It seems that I would be near this Predicted L446+ group

Is this the group with the three Germans or
The group with one german and two romanians?

Armend
12-11-2017, 11:09 AM
Actually there were 2 groups, one 446 predicted on the last page and the other one 446 in the second page. I am note familiar with these things, but i think one Romanian from Bukovina (Szekler), one Irish, one with a name Todorov (Unknown) and one Malosco from Italy are more similar with my markers.

Armend
12-11-2017, 11:20 AM
13,23,13,10,14-16,11,12,11,13,13,29,17,9-9,11,12,26,15,19,34,11-14-16-16,11,10,23-25,15,13,17,18,35-35,12,9,

These are my markers (37) same order as in FTDNA

Levin
02-03-2018, 12:59 AM
Hi,
I am Levin and I live in Italy. Yesterday I had the result of the test dna geno 2.0 that I immediately transferred to Family Tree.My results are these:

YDNA - T L446
MtDNA - J1b1a3

Immediately afterwards I joined the "T - Y Haplogroup" FTgroup. In your experience, what other tests should I take to deepen the Y-chromosome test? I would like to understand better the origins of my paternal line (specifically I would like to understand if my ancestors arrived in Italy in the Neolithic or with the Greek invasions of the VIII century BC) and verify the existence of genetic relatives.

Thank you
Levin

vettor
02-03-2018, 03:57 AM
Hi,
I am Levin and I live in Italy. Yesterday I had the result of the test dna geno 2.0 that I immediately transferred to Family Tree.My results are these:

YDNA - T L446
MtDNA - J1b1a3

Immediately afterwards I joined the "T - Y Haplogroup" FTgroup. In your experience, what other tests should I take to deepen the Y-chromosome test? I would like to understand better the origins of my paternal line (specifically I would like to understand if my ancestors arrived in Italy in the Neolithic or with the Greek invasions of the VIII century BC) and verify the existence of genetic relatives.

Thank you
Levin

Hi

I am part of T1a2 branch which has L446 .............so your branch is also T1a2 ( it was once called T1b)

Check wiki site for T-M184 to get a brief understanding of T

In Italy the major areas ( not in any order and including the very recent italian paper) abruzzo, volterra-tuscany, marche, vicenza-veneto, sicily, south-tyrol -trentino, alpine italy ......
4% appeared in the recent paper in volterra ( etruscan ) and 5% in Vicenza ( marostica, thiene and schio areas)......I still have not fully read the paper though

Salento
02-04-2018, 03:32 PM
Iím assuming youíre thinking about this:
Y T in Italy
https://i.imgur.com/PA0UmPQ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

vettor
02-04-2018, 06:27 PM
I’m assuming you’re thinking about this:
Y T in Italy
https://i.imgur.com/PA0UmPQ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://s20.postimg.org/xhiyjfutp/T_in_italy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

From the recent paper

Are you in abruzzo area? ..........as there is 20% of T

In reagrds to this , some are Haplogroup LT .............seems to be a mix of Saminites and south Picene people ........both speaking a similar sabellic language

the 7.9% Marche Picene are histri/liburnian illyrian people from early iron age.

In regards to mr. Levin from Empoli ..........the volterra and the LaSpezia to Massa are all in or close to empoli

Salento
02-04-2018, 08:44 PM
@ vettor
In case youíre asking if Iím Abruzzese, The Answer is No.
Iím Apulian ( 2.0% Y T ), and Family is about 8 miles away from a Town of the Apulia/Grecia Salentina ( 3.7% Y T ).

vettor
03-19-2018, 05:48 PM
looking at the Semagyl site which seems to be run by Yfull persons , the below map is my line............the USA matches come from 17th century UK and 20th century Italy.............my closest matches are from belgium and germany

https://s20.postimg.org/p7crsblil/my_matches_mar18.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/5cqq676ax/)

@salento....your messapic ( illyrian ) line is present in adriatic south italy

vettor
08-22-2018, 05:47 AM
my Ydna line and where it began by phlogeographer site

https://s20.postimg.cc/4lvo0bftp/pylo.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/gaznoa6s9/)

Origin of T1a2 = Mardin East Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mardin


My SNP of Z19945 origin = Porrentruy Switzerland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porrentruy

vettor
03-02-2019, 09:54 PM
CL23 sample

is
T1a2- CTS933

Blonde hair

Blue/Grey eyes

Pale skin colour

Dibran
06-27-2019, 04:33 PM
Is T1a2a(P322) common/found in Lebanese Druze?

A friend of mine tested ancestry and using morely his most likely clade was T1a2a(P322). Any info on this line?

vettor
06-27-2019, 06:33 PM
Is T1a2a(P322) common/found in Lebanese Druze?

A friend of mine tested ancestry and using morely his most likely clade was T1a2a(P322). Any info on this line?

I don't pay that much attention to other branches of T or even my branch which is not directly my line, so, for what its worth......

P322 I seem to recall is mostly with germans and kurds

I never seen T1a2 south of black sea turkey or Chios island Greece ( although I think some would be in north africa )...............have seen in armenia , caspian sea Iran ......central Asia

Lemba people in South Africa

bulgaria, kosovo, dalmatia, italy, germany UK, Spain.....all europe .............even iceland

Somali and east african T seem in majority to be T1a1 branch

persian gulf area seem in majority to be T1a3 branch............although the oldest of this branch was found in kazaks

Basically......I think its a very very old hunter group and should be nearly everywhere

Westland
10-28-2020, 12:43 AM
Hi,
I am Levin and I live in Italy. Yesterday I had the result of the test dna geno 2.0 that I immediately transferred to Family Tree.My results are these:

YDNA - T L446
MtDNA - J1b1a3

Immediately afterwards I joined the "T - Y Haplogroup" FTgroup. In your experience, what other tests should I take to deepen the Y-chromosome test? I would like to understand better the origins of my paternal line (specifically I would like to understand if my ancestors arrived in Italy in the Neolithic or with the Greek invasions of the VIII century BC) and verify the existence of genetic relatives.

Thank you
Levin

I belong to T1a3. I found there is also a Han Chinese tested positive for T1a2-L446

vettor
10-30-2020, 07:56 PM
Another belgium person in my branch

T-Z19945 3100 (38002400) Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, d. 1874 Belgium

vettor
10-31-2020, 02:28 AM
Another belgium person in my branch

T-Z19945 3100 (38002400) Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, d. 1874 Belgium

fabricated name .....created in orphanage....... see notes attached in link

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210952969/nicolas-vironet

vettor
11-05-2020, 04:33 PM
Another T1a2 member from Belgium was found, a new split from CTS1848

T-Z19950 > T-CTS1848>T-Z19945 Jean Tillieux/Belgium

T1a2-Z19945 is now a major hub with so many branches splitting off from it

There was once a group called the Rhenish Group which had many T people .....this group ran from Belgium and Saarland Germany to lake Constance Switzerland......taking in also Lorraine and Alsace france and Hesse and swabian germany