View Full Version : R1b-DF27+Z220/S356+ Z278/S181 results from Ancestry DNA v2 raw data!

02-12-2017, 06:51 AM
So, I recently tested my paternal grandfather's DNA through Ancestry DNA. I've heard that they v2 provides a lot more Y_SNPs, thus far we are R1b-DF27+, Z196+, Z296+ confirmed through yseq. I decided to run his Ancestry DNA file on:

Chris Morley terminal SNP predictor (https://ytree.morleydna.com/predict)

Following procedures detailed in here:


Turns out my grandfather is positive for Z220/S356 and Z278/S181. Which is pretty exciting! Any suggestion as to the route of testing via yseq SNPs that I should take given that information.

02-12-2017, 03:15 PM
You might study this current picture of Alex Williamson's "Big Tree" from the Z278 level on down, and compare it with what YSeq offers. There may be a dedicated panel test for this part of the tree. http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=632&star=false

If it's necessary to translate the SNP names, hover your cursor over any named SNP on the Big Tree and it displays the position, with the mutation there. YSeq may call the same mutation by a different name (usually beginning with A). YFull, FGC, FTDNA, Chris Tyler-Smith, Pille Hallast or someone else might have given it a name that Alex hasn't yet noticed. Also note that there are many possibilities below Z278 besides M153, and in most cases they are also Iberian, if not necessarily Basque. The numerous samples beginning with HG or NA came from the 1000 Genomes project; their ancestry usually is indicated by a little flag symbol (typically, of a former Spanish colony in the Americas), but we can't penetrate the anonymity built in to that study to tell you their surnames, or email addresses.

02-12-2017, 04:06 PM
I ordered the R1b-Z278 test with yseq to get confirmation that the Ancestry DNA v2 results are indeed correct. If that comes back positive, I think I will test for Z697. It seems we are on the same line that gave rise to R1b-M153 but we are negative for the M153 SNP.

02-12-2017, 04:28 PM
It seems we are on the same line that gave rise to R1b-M153 but we are negative for the M153 SNP.

In the DF27 project at FTDNA, that would probably be group Bk, or maybe Bd. Bk is more heavily Iberian, in the MDKA field. Note that the K in MDKA stands for "known;" everybody has some unknown ancestry, if it is carried far enough back... including, btw, Basques. Some of the Z278 branches include members who only know of male ancestors somewhere in the British Isles, but they may have Iberian ancestry too far back for a record to have survived. On the other hand, all of the M153 Basques may have male-line ancestry in Germany, or Ukraine, or the Caucasus. We still don't know where, or when, the Z278 mutation first occurred -- much less DF27. Maybe we will have better answers for some of these questions (from aDNA), pretty soon. But I doubt if the next paper on the subject will resolve every possible argument against the obvious.

02-14-2017, 11:28 PM
Just got the results back from yseq:

944 Z278 ChrY 18167479 18167479 G+

So, yes I have been confirmed by yseq to be R1b-Z278. I guess Z697 comes next.

10-11-2017, 01:52 AM
This took a while; but I just ordered the R1b-Z697 test today. I'll get back here as soon as I hear back from the yseq people. At this point I think it would have been cheaper to simply have gone for the DF27 Panel for $88 than go SNP hopping; but hindsight is 20/20.

10-14-2017, 01:33 AM
Results are in:

944 Z697 ChrY 8743712 8743712 A+

10-24-2017, 10:18 PM
Results are in:

Z279 ChrY 15891746 15891746 C+

So thus far I am R1b-DF27+, Z296+, S230+, Z295+, Z216+, Z697+, Z279+.

23andme has both me and my Dad as M153-, so I guess the next step should be to test for Z29684 with yseq? What do you fellows think?