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MindHive
02-17-2017, 09:36 PM
Hello,
My father's surname is "Johnson", and my Y-DNA Haplogroup is R1b1a2a1a. What is known about this group? My father and his siblings as well as his father looked as though they could have been Greek or even Italian, some look possibly middle-eastern. All have dark skin. What is known about this group? I would love to know.
Thank you,
MindHive

MindHive
02-17-2017, 09:39 PM
Also, the paper trail for them is consistently British/French until it cuts off. My AncestryDNA results give me 2% Iberian Peninsula with a range from 0 to 6%. Soon I am going to do 23 and me which seems a lot more informative/ accurate.

Ravai
02-17-2017, 09:53 PM
Hello MindHive,

R1b1a2a1a=R1b>L11 (Western Europe)

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml

You still have a way to go.

Regards

MindHive
02-17-2017, 11:54 PM
How would you recommend I go about doing this? Thank you for your response.

Joe B
02-18-2017, 02:41 AM
Hey MindHive,
What DNA testing have you done? That will determine future testing recommendations. R1b1a2a1a means different things to different companies. Some of them, like 23andme, have not updated their nomenclature to reflect the current phylogenetic tree.

Solothurn
02-18-2017, 02:49 AM
Hi

I would certainly consider livingdna.com. 23andMe's chip will not test as deep as theirs, but this needs confirming :)

MindHive
02-18-2017, 04:29 PM
I have done Autosomal DNA through Ancestry. I converted the SNP's to 23andme data and then to Y-SNP data which I used a haplogroup predictor to analyze. I also used Promethease which told me that my Y-Haplogroup is R1b1a2a1a. I'm going to try 23andme as soon as I have some spare money for it. Does anyone know how I would manually analyze Y-DNA to figure out what my haplogroup is or is this to complicated? Any suggestions are welcome.

MacUalraig
02-18-2017, 04:46 PM
The Y snp selection is very poor, I'd say you have pretty much done it already.

MindHive
02-18-2017, 04:52 PM
I apologize. I put my formatted Y-SNP DNA into MorleyDNA.com predictor and it gave me a list of likely Y-Haplogroups. Here is a screen shot.

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ArmandoR1b
02-18-2017, 04:58 PM
So you are positive for L2 which is under U152. You should investigate FullGenomes, YFull WGS, FTDNA BigY, YFull SNP packs, and FTDNA SNP packs in order to decide which advanced Y-DNA test you want to get.

L2 is R1b1a1a2a1a2b1 in the 2017 ISOGG tree at http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

MindHive
02-18-2017, 04:59 PM
It would be interesting if the J1 haplogroup was true. This is quite fascinating, any advice is very welcome.

MindHive
02-18-2017, 05:11 PM
Is there any region L2 can be tied to as of now?

ArmandoR1b
02-18-2017, 05:26 PM
It would be interesting if the J1 haplogroup was true. This is quite fascinating, any advice is very welcome.

You are positive for too many SNPs upstream from L2 including U152 for you to be J1. You can choose the radio button next to J1 and post a screenshot if you would like to have that checked.

MindHive
02-18-2017, 05:33 PM
I'm sorry where is the radio button?

MindHive
02-18-2017, 05:42 PM
Nevermind. I just didn't know what you meant by radio button lol. Duh to me.
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ArmandoR1b
02-18-2017, 05:46 PM
Is there any region L2 can be tied to as of now?
All of us that are P312+, and even some that aren't, are waiting for a couple of academic studies that have a lot of ancient samples from the Neolithic and Bronze Age that should shed some more light on the subject of where P312 first appeared. U152 is downstream from P312. An ancient Bell Beaker specimen RISE563 from Osterhofen-Altenmarkt, Germany is positive for U152. No radiocarbon date on that specimen though. I0806 from Quedlinburg, Germany from 2296-2206 cal BCE is positive for DF27 which is several generations away from U152. They share several SNPs including ZZ11 and P312.

The modern distribution of L2 is all over the place. Have a look at the BigTree at http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=437 for an idea.

ArmandoR1b
02-18-2017, 05:49 PM
Nevermind. I just didn't know what you meant by radio button lol. Duh to me.
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The negative results for J, J1, J1a, and J1a3 show that you can't be J1. What is your allele for position 21138032 in your raw data? How about 21225770?

MindHive
02-18-2017, 05:57 PM
rs745885033 24 21138032 T T
rs13303747 24 21229652 C C

ArmandoR1b
02-18-2017, 06:10 PM
rs745885033 24 21138032 T T

You are negative for that one. That is why I don't like using the program that converted your mutations to shorthand SNPs. I use a spreadsheet that compares the mutations to the Ybrowse CSV file at http://ybrowse.org/gbrowse2/gff/

21138032 is Z1842 and the mutation is T>C. You can also look it up at http://ybrowse.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/? You have to click on the SNP once it appears in the graph.


rs13303747 24 21229652 C C

It looks like you copied the wrong one there. I was asking about 21225770

MindHive
02-18-2017, 06:48 PM
So what exactly does this mean? I for some reason can't find 21225770 in my ancestry raw file. :/ I guess ill have to do 23andme to get that one.

MitchellSince1893
02-18-2017, 07:01 PM
Is there any region L2 can be tied to as of now?
L2 is pretty much everywhere that U152 is. Maybe L2 will be part of one of the ancient dna studies.

ArmandoR1b
02-18-2017, 08:06 PM
So what exactly does this mean? I for some reason can't find 21225770 in my ancestry raw file. :/ I guess ill have to do 23andme to get that one.

In the screenshot of the J haplogroup SNPs you have PF3558/P126 in green. That is defined by rs17250163 21225770 and the mutation is C>G

Since you have it in green and since a file I have has a result for that position that means it is in your file. It's not important if you can't find it. I was just going to point out it was either negative or a random mutation.

I would not get 23andme just for the Y-DNA test. Any of the other tests I mentioned earlier are better than 23andme for Y-DNA.

MindHive
02-18-2017, 08:18 PM
Does this mean J haplogroup is possible or no? I want to do 23andme more for autosomal then y-dna. I found the Ancestry autosomal results to be pretty vague and not very helpful although they match my paper trail fairly well.

02-18-2017, 08:50 PM
Does this mean J haplogroup is possible or no? I want to do 23andme more for autosomal then y-dna. I found the Ancestry autosomal results to be pretty vague and not very helpful although they match my paper trail fairly well.

Hi, why not livingDNA? It uses the latest chip for autosum.

ArmandoR1b
02-19-2017, 12:43 PM
Does this mean J haplogroup is possible or no?
J haplogroup is not possible. You don't have a single positive SNP in haplogroup J.


I want to do 23andme more for autosomal then y-dna. I found the Ancestry autosomal results to be pretty vague and not very helpful although they match my paper trail fairly well.

Based on your flags the 23andme test would be much better than LivingDNA for your autosomal DNA.

MindHive
02-19-2017, 06:37 PM
Thank you for the suggestions. I've decided to certainly do 23andme and I will take a look at the haplogroup but the autosomal will be my main area of focus. I'll let you know if I stumble upon anything interesting and will keep an eye on news about the R1b L2. If you have any other thoughts about the haplogroup information please be sure to let me know,
Thanks,
MindHive