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Roy Paul
02-20-2017, 07:32 PM
Hello I did the Nevgen Haplogroup Predictor for Y-67 STR and it came up 96.2 % probability R1b DF27>Z196>Z272>DF17.
I have not done a SNP test as yet so my question's are, How accurate is this predictor ? What is known about this Haplogroup ? And what do you think my next step should be ? Thank you for any feedback !

breckenheimer
02-27-2017, 12:10 PM
Hi Roy, What are your STR values?

razyn
02-28-2017, 01:26 AM
Hi Roy, What are your STR values?
He posted on the "Activity Feed" of the DF27 project Feb. 17, and we had a little chat. I'm not familiar with the Nevgen Y-haplogroup Predictor of which he speaks. It's easy to find but doesn't load very soon, so I quit waiting. Do you (John) know if DF17 has a particular STR signature? If I ever knew that, I've forgotten, so in effect it's news to me; it might be useful to others, who would be interested.

breckenheimer
02-28-2017, 01:30 AM
He posted on the "Activity Feed" of the DF27 project Feb. 17, and we had a little chat. I'm not familiar with the Nevgen Y-haplogroup Predictor of which he speaks. It's easy to find but doesn't load very soon, so I quit waiting. Do you (John) know if DF17 has a particular STR signature? If I ever knew that, I've forgotten, so in effect it's news to me; it might be useful to others, who would be interested. Try kit 537140, currently Ungrouped.

Yes, DF17 has some odd values which make it easy to predict:
DYS390=23
DYS19=15
DYS437=15
DYS448=18

REWM
02-28-2017, 01:05 PM
I did my 67 and 111 STRs with the Nevgen Y-haplogroup Predictor and to my surprise the prediction was correct for my upstream Z2573 SNP.
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razyn
02-28-2017, 02:21 PM
I did my 67 and 111 STRs with the Nevgen Y-haplogroup Predictor and to my surprise the prediction was correct for my upstream Z2573 SNP.
Good to know, I haven't been using haplogroup predictors for about four years, but I do occasionally look for off-modal signatures for a specific subgroup. Just as a rule of thumb, a well designed program is going to be able to mine and analyze public FTDNA projects a lot more efficiently than I can. This NevGen one looks pretty well designed, and is frequently updated. I posted about it elsewhere. (I have no idea how it compares with the Excel spreadsheets MikeWww has been creating in several Yahoo groups for R1b and its subclades. Many people come to the table knowing enough, from basic SNP testing, to skip these predictor programs.) Meanwhile, let's try to keep this specific thread on the DF17 topic.

Roy Paul
03-02-2017, 01:28 AM
Yes, DF17 has some odd values which make it easy to predict:
DYS390=23
DYS19=15
DYS437=15
DYS448=18
Yes these are my STR values ! So I suppose the Nevgen is accurate Thanks most distant Paternal 1650 Rhineland Pflaz Germany

Roy Paul
04-09-2017, 03:47 PM
Y-DNA - Standard Y-STR Values
PANEL 1 (1-12)
Marker DYS393 DYS390 DYS19** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II***
Value 13 23 15 10 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 30
PANEL 2 (13-25)
Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
Value 17 9-10 11 11 24 15 18 29 15-15-17-17
PANEL 3 (26-37)
Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
Value 11 11 19-23 16 15 19 18 36-37 12 12
PANEL 4 (38-47)
Marker DYS531 DYS578 DYF395S1 DYS590 DYS537 DYS641 DYS472 DYF406S1 DYS511
Value 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11
PANEL 4 (48-60)
Marker DYS425 DYS413 DYS557 DYS594 DYS436 DYS490 DYS534 DYS450 DYS444 DYS481 DYS520 DYS446
Value 12 23-23 16 10 12 13 16 8 12 22 20 13
PANEL 4 (61-67)
Marker DYS617 DYS568 DYS487 DYS572 DYS640 DYS492 DYS565
Value 12 11 13 11 11 12 12

Roy Paul
04-09-2017, 04:05 PM
These are my STR values Nevgen has been recently updated it now has me at 98.5 probability of DF27>Z196>Z272>DF17 with 57.7 fitness. My Paternal line is from Rhineland Pfalz Germany with Church records back to 1650. Thanks for any feedback

Roy Paul
04-11-2017, 12:17 AM
Hi breckenheimer I just posted my STR's on this page anything you could tell me I would be thankful !

breckenheimer
04-28-2017, 02:30 AM
Hi breckenheimer I just posted my STR's on this page anything you could tell me I would be thankful !

Those STRs defenitely look like DF17. It would be interesting to see what SNPs you have that are Downstream of DF17.

Roy Paul
04-28-2017, 03:41 AM
I ordered the DF27 SNP pack today, thanks to the people who provided STR results for DF27 DF17 on the Web, I have come to the conclusion in conjunction with the Nevgen Predictor results, I'm going to bypass the R1b - M343&M269 Backbone SNP Pack as recommended by FTDNA and take a chance! Also if DF27 is correct I will get the benefit of downstream SNPs

Roy Paul
06-15-2017, 12:10 AM
Haplogroup Probability Fitness Fitness 2
1 R1b DF27>Z196> Z272>DF17
88.99 55.76 1.05
2 R1b L21>DF13> Z39589>Z251>> S11556
7.34 53.76 1.0
Well looks like Nevgen was wrong ?? Did the DF27 SNP pack and it came back negative I guess for these SNP's Tests Taken

A2145-, A2146-, A431-, A432-, A433-, A434-, A4658-, A4659-, A4670-, A6456-, A6458-, A7014-, A7380-, A7385-, BY2285-, BY3232-, BY3233-, BY3235-, BY3286-, BY3287-, BY3288-, BY3289-, BY3290-, BY3291-, BY3292-, BY3327-, BY3328-, BY3329-, BY3330-, BY3331-, BY3332-, BY653-, BY834-, CTS1090-, CTS11567-, CTS1643 *, CTS416-, CTS5885-, CTS6578-, CTS7768-, CTS9952-, DF17-, DF27 *, DF79-, DF81-, DF83 *, DF84-, FGC11369-, FGC11414-, FGC11419-, FGC13109-, FGC13110 *, FGC13125-, FGC14113-, FGC14114-, FGC14115 *, FGC14124-, FGC14126-, FGC14934-, FGC14951-, FGC17099-, FGC17102-, FGC17112-, FGC17114-, FGC20556-, FGC20747 *, FGC20748-, FGC20755-, FGC20761-, FGC20764-, FGC20767-, FGC20816-, FGC21115-, FGC21124-, FGC21129-, FGC23066-, FGC23071-, FGC23074 *, FGC23079-, FGC23083-, FGC30918-, FGC30962-, FGC30964-, FGC30993-, FGC30994-, FGC31068-, FGC8127-, L617-, L881-, M225-, M756-, P312 *, PH133-, PH2047-, S1041-, S400-, S7432 *, SK2109-, Y13115-, Y14084-, Y14468 *, Y14469-, Y15636-, Y15637-, Y15639-, Y15924-, Y15926-, Y16018-, Y16863-, Y17221 *, Y17446-, Y17787-, Y4865-, Y4867-, Y5058-, Y5072-, Y5077-, Y6949-, Y6951-, Y7363-, Y7364-, YP4295-, Z1513-, Z1899-, Z195-, Z196-, Z198 *, Z209-, Z20907-, Z220-, Z223-, Z225-, Z226-, Z229-, Z2543-, Z2545-, Z2547-, Z2556-, Z2560-, Z2563-, Z2564-, Z2566-, Z2567-, Z2571-, Z2573-, Z268-, Z274-, Z296-, Z29614-, Z29624-, Z29875-, Z29878-, Z29884-, Z32156-, Z32164-, Z34609-, Z37492-, ZZ12_1-, ZZ12_2-, ZZ19_1-, ZZ20_1-
Once again here are my 67 STR's 13,23,15,10,11-14,12,12,11,13,13,30,17,9-10,11,11,24,15,18,29,15-15-17-17,11,11,19-23,16,15,19,18,36-37,12,12,11,9,15-16,8,10,10,8,10,11,12,23-23,16,10,12,13,16,8,12,22,20,13,12,11,13,11,11,12, 12 Any help would be great but it looks like I just wasted $100 bucks ??

MacUalraig
06-15-2017, 08:33 AM
Haplogroup Probability Fitness Fitness 2
1 R1b DF27>Z196> Z272>DF17
88.99 55.76 1.05
2 R1b L21>DF13> Z39589>Z251>> S11556
7.34 53.76 1.0
Well looks like Nevgen was wrong ?? Did the DF27 SNP pack and it came back negative I guess for these SNP's Tests Taken

A2145-, A2146-, A431-, A432-, A433-, A434-, A4658-, A4659-, A4670-, A6456-, A6458-, A7014-, A7380-, A7385-, BY2285-, BY3232-, BY3233-, BY3235-, BY3286-, BY3287-, BY3288-, BY3289-, BY3290-, BY3291-, BY3292-, BY3327-, BY3328-, BY3329-, BY3330-, BY3331-, BY3332-, BY653-, BY834-, CTS1090-, CTS11567-, CTS1643 *, CTS416-, CTS5885-, CTS6578-, CTS7768-, CTS9952-, DF17-, DF27 *, DF79-, DF81-, DF83 *, DF84-, FGC11369-, FGC11414-, FGC11419-, FGC13109-, FGC13110 *, FGC13125-, FGC14113-, FGC14114-, FGC14115 *, FGC14124-, FGC14126-, FGC14934-, FGC14951-, FGC17099-, FGC17102-, FGC17112-, FGC17114-, FGC20556-, FGC20747 *, FGC20748-, FGC20755-, FGC20761-, FGC20764-, FGC20767-, FGC20816-, FGC21115-, FGC21124-, FGC21129-, FGC23066-, FGC23071-, FGC23074 *, FGC23079-, FGC23083-, FGC30918-, FGC30962-, FGC30964-, FGC30993-, FGC30994-, FGC31068-, FGC8127-, L617-, L881-, M225-, M756-, P312 *, PH133-, PH2047-, S1041-, S400-, S7432 *, SK2109-, Y13115-, Y14084-, Y14468 *, Y14469-, Y15636-, Y15637-, Y15639-, Y15924-, Y15926-, Y16018-, Y16863-, Y17221 *, Y17446-, Y17787-, Y4865-, Y4867-, Y5058-, Y5072-, Y5077-, Y6949-, Y6951-, Y7363-, Y7364-, YP4295-, Z1513-, Z1899-, Z195-, Z196-, Z198 *, Z209-, Z20907-, Z220-, Z223-, Z225-, Z226-, Z229-, Z2543-, Z2545-, Z2547-, Z2556-, Z2560-, Z2563-, Z2564-, Z2566-, Z2567-, Z2571-, Z2573-, Z268-, Z274-, Z296-, Z29614-, Z29624-, Z29875-, Z29878-, Z29884-, Z32156-, Z32164-, Z34609-, Z37492-, ZZ12_1-, ZZ12_2-, ZZ19_1-, ZZ20_1-
Once again here are my 67 STR's 13,23,15,10,11-14,12,12,11,13,13,30,17,9-10,11,11,24,15,18,29,15-15-17-17,11,11,19-23,16,15,19,18,36-37,12,12,11,9,15-16,8,10,10,8,10,11,12,23-23,16,10,12,13,16,8,12,22,20,13,12,11,13,11,11,12, 12 Any help would be great but it looks like I just wasted $100 bucks ??

This is why I always start with SNPs not STRs. If you've never tested before there are a choice of options - take something like Geno 2 or even the LivingDNA test which will assign you to your high to mid level position in the SNP tree. The LivingDNA test price currently is USD119. After that you can refine your position - for that I use YSEQ's SNP panels.

breckenheimer
06-15-2017, 11:34 AM
Haplogroup Probability Fitness Fitness 2
1 R1b DF27>Z196> Z272>DF17
88.99 55.76 1.05
2 R1b L21>DF13> Z39589>Z251>> S11556
7.34 53.76 1.0
Well looks like Nevgen was wrong ?? Did the DF27 SNP pack and it came back negative I guess for these SNP's Tests Taken

A2145-, A2146-, A431-, A432-, A433-, A434-, A4658-, A4659-, A4670-, A6456-, A6458-, A7014-, A7380-, A7385-, BY2285-, BY3232-, BY3233-, BY3235-, BY3286-, BY3287-, BY3288-, BY3289-, BY3290-, BY3291-, BY3292-, BY3327-, BY3328-, BY3329-, BY3330-, BY3331-, BY3332-, BY653-, BY834-, CTS1090-, CTS11567-, CTS1643 *, CTS416-, CTS5885-, CTS6578-, CTS7768-, CTS9952-, DF17-, DF27 *, DF79-, DF81-, DF83 *, DF84-, FGC11369-, FGC11414-, FGC11419-, FGC13109-, FGC13110 *, FGC13125-, FGC14113-, FGC14114-, FGC14115 *, FGC14124-, FGC14126-, FGC14934-, FGC14951-, FGC17099-, FGC17102-, FGC17112-, FGC17114-, FGC20556-, FGC20747 *, FGC20748-, FGC20755-, FGC20761-, FGC20764-, FGC20767-, FGC20816-, FGC21115-, FGC21124-, FGC21129-, FGC23066-, FGC23071-, FGC23074 *, FGC23079-, FGC23083-, FGC30918-, FGC30962-, FGC30964-, FGC30993-, FGC30994-, FGC31068-, FGC8127-, L617-, L881-, M225-, M756-, P312 *, PH133-, PH2047-, S1041-, S400-, S7432 *, SK2109-, Y13115-, Y14084-, Y14468 *, Y14469-, Y15636-, Y15637-, Y15639-, Y15924-, Y15926-, Y16018-, Y16863-, Y17221 *, Y17446-, Y17787-, Y4865-, Y4867-, Y5058-, Y5072-, Y5077-, Y6949-, Y6951-, Y7363-, Y7364-, YP4295-, Z1513-, Z1899-, Z195-, Z196-, Z198 *, Z209-, Z20907-, Z220-, Z223-, Z225-, Z226-, Z229-, Z2543-, Z2545-, Z2547-, Z2556-, Z2560-, Z2563-, Z2564-, Z2566-, Z2567-, Z2571-, Z2573-, Z268-, Z274-, Z296-, Z29614-, Z29624-, Z29875-, Z29878-, Z29884-, Z32156-, Z32164-, Z34609-, Z37492-, ZZ12_1-, ZZ12_2-, ZZ19_1-, ZZ20_1-
Once again here are my 67 STR's 13,23,15,10,11-14,12,12,11,13,13,30,17,9-10,11,11,24,15,18,29,15-15-17-17,11,11,19-23,16,15,19,18,36-37,12,12,11,9,15-16,8,10,10,8,10,11,12,23-23,16,10,12,13,16,8,12,22,20,13,12,11,13,11,11,12, 12 Any help would be great but it looks like I just wasted $100 bucks ??

You need to find out why some of the SNPs tested are designated with a "*". If that means positive, I see that it says DF83*, which is a subclade of DF27.

Roy Paul
06-15-2017, 11:16 PM
According to FTDNA's y-dna haplotree color codes for Df27 & Df83 it is Black for me meaning, Presumed negative, how can this be if I did the DF27 snp pack ? but it shows me color Red which is negative for DF17. Also in my matches Kit#50635 James Spong, b 1720 and died 1767 England R-DF17 is one of my matches, how can you be presumed negative ?

Roy Paul
06-15-2017, 11:44 PM
SnpName,"Positive","Test"
A2145,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A2146,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A431,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A432,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A433,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A434,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A4658,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A4659,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A4670,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A6456,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A6458,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A7014,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A7380,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
A7385,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY2285,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3232,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3233,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3235,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3286,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3287,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3288,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3289,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3290,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3291,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3292,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3327,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3328,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3329,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3330,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3331,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY3332,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY653,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
BY834,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
CTS1090,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
CTS11567,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
CTS1643,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
CTS416,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
CTS5885,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
CTS6578,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
CTS7768,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
CTS9952,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
DF17,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
DF27,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
DF79,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
DF81,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
DF83,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
DF84,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC11369,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC11414,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC11419,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC13109,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC13110,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
FGC13125,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC14113,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC14114,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC14115,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
FGC14124,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC14126,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC14934,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC14951,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC17099,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC17102,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC17112,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC17114,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC20556,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC20747,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
FGC20748,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC20755,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC20761,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC20764,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC20767,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC20816,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC21115,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC21124,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC21129,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC23066,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC23071,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC23074,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
FGC23079,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC23083,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC30918,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC30962,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC30964,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC30993,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC30994,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC31068,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
FGC8127,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
L617,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
L881,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
M225,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
M756,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
P312,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
PH133,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
PH2047,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
S1041,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
S400,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
S7432,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
SK2109,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y13115,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y14084,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y14468,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
Y14469,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y15636,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y15637,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y15639,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y15924,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y15926,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y16018,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y16863,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y17221,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
Y17446,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y17787,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y4865,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y4867,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y5058,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y5072,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y5077,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y6949,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y6951,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y7363,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Y7364,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
YP4295,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z1513,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z1899,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z195,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z196,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z198,"No call or heterozygous call","R1b
Z209,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z20907,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z220,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z223,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z225,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z226,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z229,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2543,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2545,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2547,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2556,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2560,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2563,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2564,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2566,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2567,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2571,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z2573,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z268,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z274,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z296,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z29614,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z29624,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z29875,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z29878,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z29884,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z32156,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z32164,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z34609,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
Z37492,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
ZZ12_1,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
ZZ12_2,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
ZZ19_1,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"
ZZ20_1,"False","R1b -0 DF27 SNP Pack"

Can anyone interpret these results my Haplogroup is still R-M269 it says no call for many even P312 ?

Roy Paul
06-18-2017, 01:32 PM
Kit #537140 does not meet the prerequisites for R1b - M343&M269 Backbone SNP Pack. The sample provided may not test positive for any of the SNPs in this panel. If it does not test positive, you will not be able to receive a refund. Do you still want to purchase this product? OK so what do I do now ? My Y-67 results say I'm R-M269 I was going to purchase this SNP pack as recommended but this notice came up ? HELP !

rms2
06-18-2017, 01:37 PM
By the time you hunt down your haplogroup via SNP packing, you will have been able to buy the Big Y twice over.

Cut your losses and order the Big Y. It should settle things for you.

ADW_1981
06-18-2017, 05:48 PM
You paid for the test, you should get a definitive answer on DF27, none of this asterisk stuff, even if it means them doing the work all over again on your sample. I'd shoot them an email.

Roy Paul
06-18-2017, 11:03 PM
DF83*, Y14468*, Z198*, Y17221*, S7432*, FGC14115*, P312*, FGC23074*, FGC20747*, FGC13110*, DF27*, CTS1643* If anyone could give me there thoughts on what these SNP's represent as to a Hapogroup I would be Thankful also the Asterisk*= more testing $$$

razyn
06-19-2017, 03:28 AM
Also in my matches Kit#50635 James Spong, b 1720 and died 1767 England R-DF17 is one of my matches, how can you be presumed negative ?
The "matches" referred to here are STR matches, having to do with appearance of close "genetic distance." But STR matches don't invariably reveal SNP matches, and the latter trump the former. Your haplotype's similarity to that of one DF17 person, or many of them, doesn't prove that you are DF17 -- it just hints at it. It may prove to be mistaken. I'm not sure that the asterisks on your test results indicate that, though. They might just indicate that your cheek swab wasn't real good. Or there are several other possibilities.

DF27 is not unambiguously detected by NextGen testing, so I don't agree with some of the advice you are getting here about going straight to a BigY. It certainly is a better test than the SNP packs. But your results may just mean that skipping ahead to the DF27 SNP pack (that has turned out perhaps not to have been the right one) was a false economy. The SNP evidence we can see, so far, really suggests the M343/M269 test -- and you didn't get that one. Caveat emptor.

Litz
07-23-2017, 02:37 AM
If DF27 was a no call on the SNP pack, he could still be positive for DF27, correct? Trying to get FTDNA to retest just that one SNP over again, might be worth a try.

Roy Paul
07-26-2017, 12:25 AM
Thanks for you comment Litz, The snp DF27 is in the pack so I don't get how it comes up No Call other then FTDNA want people to test according to there guidelines and if you skip a test as I did they loss money $$$ so they wont give a definitive answer if you are Positive ?

razyn
07-26-2017, 02:36 AM
The Backbone test that you skipped is designed to detect the major haplogroup under R1b. DF27 is not reliably detected by it, either, but then they use Sanger sequencing on the people who haven't proven positive for any of the easier-to-call ones. People who have taken the Backbone test do get a DF27 call, plus or minus. (A positive for any of the easier-to-call haplogroups at the same level is equivalent to a DF27- call, without the hassle and extra time for Sanger sequencing.) The DF27 SNP Pack, on the other hand, is useless if you aren't DF27+. It isn't designed to prove that your guess was right.

Roy Paul
08-14-2017, 11:30 PM
Going through each *No Call SNP individually this is what I found, also I recently read on a blog that razyn was referred to as the Great Defender of DF27 ! maybe he could give me some feedback on these SNP No Call results ? CTS1643* =The Big Tree: R-CTS1643
R-P312/S116 > Z40481 > ZZ11 > DF27/S250 > ZZ12 > FGC20747 > Z1899 > CTS1643.

FGC14115* =The Big Tree: R-FGC14115
R-P312/S116 > Z40481 > ZZ11 > DF27/S250 > Z195/S355 > Z272 > BY907 > FGC14113 > ~22264668-T-C > FGC14126 > FGC14124 > FGC14117 > FGC14115

DF83* = The Big Tree: R-DF83
R-P312/S116 > Z40481 > ZZ11 > DF27/S250 > ZZ12 > ZZ51 > DF83

FGC20747* = The Big Tree: R-FGC20747
R-P312/S116 > Z40481 > ZZ11 > DF27/S250 > ZZ12 > FGC20747

I could go on with more *No Call SNP's from the DF27 SNP pack I did but they are all subclades of P312/DF27. I will be taking the M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack next time it goes on sale and if I'm Positive for DF27 & P312 I will be confused as to WHY I did not get + results for these SNP's the first time. Thank you for anyone's feedback

Roy Paul
10-14-2017, 08:16 PM
Well as it turns out I'm R1b-Z49 according to FTDNA, I emailed Nevgen about there tests and here is the response regarding my STR prediction.

info@nevgen.org
Hi Roy.

This is classic example of "false positive" due to convergence. NevGen does not support Z49 subclade of U152, but your haplotype pretty good matches DF17 subclade od DF27. It even has three of its four-wide STR signature. So, it is false positive. Subclades of U152 are not very good represented in NevGens statistics.