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JohnHowellsTyrfro
03-03-2017, 08:14 PM
My grandmother's mother was a Newton. Until fairly recently the family were in Leominster Herefordshire but my grandmother's ancestors appear to have moved there from Banbury Oxfordshire in the Mid- 1800's. They were in Oxfordshire at least as far back as the late 1700's, still tracking them back.
It appears "Newton" isn't that specific a surname in terms of UK distribution being derived from "New Town" in various parts of the Country and as a surname post the Norman Conquest. It does seem though that it has a fairly low incidence in both Herefordshire and Oxfordshire and is more common in the North of England including Yorkshire, Northumberland and parts of Scotland, all of which feature unexpectedly as minor percentages in my Living DNA results.
"Of local origin from places of the name. The first three persons here named derived their name from the old parish of Newton in Midlothian. James de Neutone and Huwe de Neutone of Edinberghshire rendered homage in 1296 (Bain, II, p. 201,213)."
Of course this doesn't prove anything but it does maybe give a hint that early ancestry may be showing up in some of these results, It may be more convincing if I could trace my Newton's back to the North of England or Scotland.
John

MacUalraig
03-03-2017, 08:21 PM
I also have a Newton ggm but mine is from the 2nd ranked PLU in GB - Sleaford Lincs.

JohnHowellsTyrfro
03-03-2017, 08:47 PM
I also have a Newton ggm but mine is from the 2nd ranked PLU in GB - Sleaford Lincs.

Sorry, what is the 2nd ranked PLU? I'm probably being dim. :) I wasn't suggesting actual descent from the men mentioned in the quote, just that it seems it is a relatively common surname in that area. I never associated the name with Scotland, of course mine could be from somewhere else. John

MacUalraig
03-03-2017, 08:53 PM
Sorry, what is the 2nd ranked PLU? I'm probably being dim. :) John

Surname Atlas ranking per 100,000 at Poor Law Union level.

ID County Poor Law Union Actual per 100,000 <
269 DEV Axminster 136 724
418 LIN Sleaford 144 560
578 WES West Ward 46 559
etc etc

We do have a Newton civil parish in the area

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/sleaford.html

JohnHowellsTyrfro
03-03-2017, 09:23 PM
Surname Atlas ranking per 100,000 at Poor Law Union level.

ID County Poor Law Union Actual per 100,000 <
269 DEV Axminster 136 724
418 LIN Sleaford 144 560
578 WES West Ward 46 559
etc etc

We do have a Newton civil parish in the area

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/sleaford.html

Thanks. I do have some Lincolnshire in my LivingDNA results but I know of an ancestor from that area who was not a Newton.
Since my original post I have come across the possibility of an earlier Newton ancestor born in the parish of St. Bartholomew -by -the- Exchange London about 1650. I have to treat this with some caution, but interesting to think I might have an ancestor who lived through the Great Fire and Plague. What that may say about my earlier Newton origins, I don't know. :) John

Solothurn
03-04-2017, 06:51 PM
My Newton clan were from Bury in Lancashire.

Most modern are in Eastern England

http://named.publicprofiler.org

JohnHowellsTyrfro
03-04-2017, 08:20 PM
My Newton clan were from Bury in Lancashire.

Most modern are in Eastern England

http://named.publicprofiler.org

The maps in the link below are based on the 1891 census. John

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjoyvbQ0r3SAhUjLsAKHTtrCqoQFggfMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancestry.co.uk%2Fname-origin%3Fsurname%3Dnewton&usg=AFQjCNGwN7u-5-De8mPfz5xogEaxAUIONA&sig2=sApf1xnCNsLWJx8FvRq3KA

MacUalraig
03-04-2017, 08:37 PM
The maps in the link below are based on the 1891 census. John

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjoyvbQ0r3SAhUjLsAKHTtrCqoQFggfMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancestry.co.uk%2Fname-origin%3Fsurname%3Dnewton&usg=AFQjCNGwN7u-5-De8mPfz5xogEaxAUIONA&sig2=sApf1xnCNsLWJx8FvRq3KA

It's good to look at all the available methods but I still think the Surname Atlas (Archer Software) beats both the above in terms of informative mapping :-) Of course the further back the underlying data source goes the better, but you can reduce the impact of modern migrations with relative density mapping. The publicprofiler site struggles with my surname for various reasons - it seems to get a bit confused by the proximity of Ayrshire and Lanarkshire. The latter isn't actually that big a centre for the name after adjusting for population size.

astondive
03-05-2017, 07:48 PM
My grandmother's mother was a Newton. Until fairly recently the family were in Leominster Herefordshire but my grandmother's ancestors appear to have moved there from Banbury Oxfordshire in the Mid- 1800's. They were in Oxfordshire at least as far back as the late 1700's, still tracking them back.
It appears "Newton" isn't that specific a surname in terms of UK distribution being derived from "New Town" in various parts of the Country and as a surname post the Norman Conquest. It does seem though that it has a fairly low incidence in both Herefordshire and Oxfordshire and is more common in the North of England including Yorkshire, Northumberland and parts of Scotland, all of which feature unexpectedly as minor percentages in my Living DNA results.
"Of local origin from places of the name. The first three persons here named derived their name from the old parish of Newton in Midlothian. James de Neutone and Huwe de Neutone of Edinberghshire rendered homage in 1296 (Bain, II, p. 201,213)."
Of course this doesn't prove anything but it does maybe give a hint that early ancestry may be showing up in some of these results, It may be more convincing if I could trace my Newton's back to the North of England or Scotland.
John

I have a Peter Newton born 1480 (My 13 x Great Great Grandfather) from Highley Shropshire. I believe he is an ancestor of Sir Issac Newton born 1642 Woolsthorpe-by-Colsterworth Lincolnshire.