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rms2
03-03-2017, 09:23 PM
Have you all tried the NEVGEN Y-dna Haplogroup Predictor (http://www.nevgen.org/)? There is a thread in the U152 subforum about it, so I thought I would give it a try. It got my subclade right on the money.

Not bad.

Click on the little white sliders symbol in the upper left and then click on the button for the R1b subclades.

rms2
03-03-2017, 10:21 PM
Here's a screenshot showing my NEVGEN prediction and the list of the top ten.

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Dewsloth
03-03-2017, 10:51 PM
You got good results. It isn't optimized for all R1b subclades, yet:

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D'oh.

rms2
03-03-2017, 10:57 PM
Well, my subclade is limited to my haplotype cluster, which is fairly tight knit, so it isn't too hard to predict, really.

Dewsloth
03-03-2017, 11:12 PM
Well, my subclade is limited to my haplotype cluster, which is fairly tight knit, so it isn't too hard to predict, really.

Yeah, if you look at choices #13 and #16, they skip right past R-Z17112 for me, but can't even confirm the possibility of any kind of DF19. It would have worked better for old 6DRIF-23 -- he's a S17075 :biggrin1:

rms2
03-04-2017, 01:50 PM
Yeah, if you look at choices #13 and #16, they skip right past R-Z17112 for me, but can't even confirm the possibility of any kind of DF19. It would have worked better for old 6DRIF-23 -- he's a S17075 :biggrin1:

Have many DF19 guys done the Big Y and submitted their files and STRs to Alex Williamson?

Dewsloth
03-04-2017, 03:36 PM
Quite a few have done Big Y, but only about 20 sent their data to Alex so far (I have). I wish more would. The ftdna volunteer DF19 group administrators are about to put out a revised report with all the big y they already had (~150) plus 26 new ones from the last 3-4 months.

FWIW, about half of the DF19s reporting so far seem to be descendants of Z17112, who seems to have had a lot of sons/grandsons, and S17075 mutation may only have been around 15 generations old when 6Drif-23 lost his head.

tbean1
03-06-2017, 07:35 PM
It worked perfectly for me, and I am in one of the smaller/rarer subclades of L21 (R-Z16500).

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rms2
03-07-2017, 12:54 PM
It worked perfectly for me, and I am in one of the smaller/rarer subclades of L21 (R-Z16500).

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It may work best for smaller clades because there are fewer haplotypes involved, as long as they aren't too diverse. My subclade is fairly small, as well, and our haplotypes don't vary all that much.