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NetNomad
08-09-2012, 05:06 PM
Does anyone here have any information on it? Apparently it's a minor basal lineage of E1b, but info (where it has been found etc) on it seems scarce.

Ezana
08-09-2012, 05:45 PM
Unfortunately, it's not very well described. I've only found mentions in Hammer et al. 2003 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1462677/pdf/12930755.pdf) and Karafet et al. 2008 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2336805/).

Andrew Lancaster had this to say (2009) (http://www.jogg.info/51/files/Lancaster.pdf):


Karafet et al. (2008) confirmed that E-P75, originally announced in Hammer et al. (2003), is a sibling to E-P2. Both of these are sub-clades of E-P177. But
unfortunately no information seems to be available in either paper concerning where E-P75 is from, or how common it is.


However, we can infer some things since we do know about its sisters and upstream clades. Karafet said this:


In 2002, haplogroup E was characterized by three basal branches: E-M33 (E1), E-M75 (E2), and E-P2 (E3). The newly discovered polymorphism P147 requires major rearrangements within this clade. Subclades E-P147 (E1) and E-M75 (E2) are the most basal haplogroups, with E-P147 (E1) having two subclades: E-M33 (E1a) and E-P177 (E1b). The new polymorphism P177 joins haplogroup E-P2 (E1b1) and recently detected haplogroup E-P75 (E1b2).

E-P75 falls outside of E-PN2/P2, by far the most common Y DNA haplogroup in Africa. E1b1-PN2 is very likely to have arisen in Eastern Africa (Trombetta et al. 2011 (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0016073)).

E1b* has yet to be found, while E1a is primarily West African (but present in Sudan as well). E1 is another rare clade, but it's thought to be from East Africa as well. Piecing these things together, it's very likely that E1b2 is of East African provenance with a TMRCA comparable to E1b1 (35kya).

Hammer doesn't list any haplogroups, just mutations. If you look through his data you might be able to determine which individual displayed E-P75. I'm guessing it was the 1 Ethiopian in his sample.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

NetNomad
08-09-2012, 06:07 PM
Thanks for this info. It seems to be a very elusive marker, as it hasn't been found in any study since the P75 SNP was published.

antonio.oramas
10-14-2012, 01:24 PM
Hi, are you of E1b2, I am and I have recently started to search on the Internet on it, but as you say the information on this is very poor. I am from the Canary Islands, near the NW coast of Africa. Where are you from?

Ezana
10-16-2012, 11:09 PM
NetNomad is Somali, but I don't know if he's E1b2.

Rambox
10-26-2012, 09:23 PM
Hi/ Hola,
I am also e1b2 - I am Palestinian.
R.

NetNomad
10-27-2012, 02:26 AM
NetNomad is Somali, but I don't know if he's E1b2.
Yeah, but I carry the boring ol' E1b1b.

NetNomad
10-27-2012, 02:29 AM
Hi, are you of E1b2, I am and I have recently started to search on the Internet on it, but as you say the information on this is very poor. I am from the Canary Islands, near the NW coast of Africa. Where are you from?


Hi/ Hola,
I am also e1b2 - I am Palestinian.
R.

Interesting stuff, those are some quite unexpected ancestries! Have you guys tested with familytreedna?

Rambox
10-27-2012, 07:39 PM
I am being tested through National Geographic's Genographic project, which outsources most of their core testing functions to Family Tree DNA. So the answer is "yes."

However, I am a late-entry 1.0 participant, so they are not giving me any information, apart from the e1b2 tag. So the answer is "kind of no."

But I hope they will find my case interesting enough to give me a free upgrade to 2.0. So the answer is "we'll see."

Rambox
10-27-2012, 07:42 PM
PS My paternal lineage is traced to a small traditionally-Christian village in the West-Bank called Rafidya.

Rambox
10-27-2012, 07:45 PM
PPS does anyone have a weblink to a full pdf of this infamous "Hammer (2003)" study, please?

Ezana
10-28-2012, 01:26 AM
PPS does anyone have a weblink to a full pdf of this infamous "Hammer (2003)" study, please?

Sure. You can access it here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1462677/pdf/12930755.pdf). There are no SNPs listed by their names, though. You will have to translate the individual mutations (single nucleotide polymorphisms) into the modern nomenclature (e.g. P177, P75, etc.).

Dear Potto
05-10-2013, 05:55 PM
This is fascinating. My father was E1b2 with a paternal lineage going back hundreds of years in Suffolk, UK. The family seems to have lived around the four parishes of Ilketshall which seem to have been built at the four corners of a Roman Way camp established during the invasion (possibly used by a Roman cavalry regiment).
http://www.suffolksaints.info/ilkstlaw_text.htm
I'm trying to find out more about this haplogroup but it seems very very undocumented. Not surprisingly after 2000 years I am very white but it would seem that my father's father's father etc. probably wasn't. Fascinating. My maternal clan is H which is far less exotic :-( I wonder how many men in the UK today have this haplogroup.
Would love to think that my paternal ancestor came over with the Romans...

(The family name is Watson but haven't found any other Watsons with this haplogroup yet...)

ldsheppard
04-07-2014, 11:47 AM
hi

I have a paternal haplogroup E1b2 it seems! again, I am from UK, Nottingham. And have paternal family tree back to 1600.
Surname is Sheppard and I have a common ancestor with 2 Germans about 28 generations ago.

I too am White and half Irish, My maternal dna being H something or other.

However My dad and I have dark features and both tan very easilly, I was even
mistaken as Turkish when I was there on holiday.

I too would like to think I had a Roman soldier/slave as an ancestor who came to UK and stayed.